Nvidia responds to Batman:AA

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Hmmm

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I'm not going to say that isn't the truth, but business is brutal, and you cant call aggressive marketing corruption, unless NV actually did purposely disable AA, that would be the corruption part and unacceptable.

But man, ATI, seriously needs to consider being more aggressive with marketing. They are going to keep getting plowed into the ground if not. Corruption or no.


and for some other posts. Yes ATI should have the same advantages as NV. But who would you give more/all your time to. Someone who shows up with a bunch of hardware and money, on the ball and ready to work, or the company who calls 3 weeks late asking to be a part cause Nvidia is there and they are jelous?

I run my own IT business, and I can say right now compaines like nvidia I turn away at the door. Companies like ATi I deal with frequently. A harmonious partnership is much more productive than a dictatorship of a partnership. However, ATi do need to do a significantly better job in the marketing area.

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Originally Posted by Ket

I run my own IT business, and I can say right now compaines like nvidia I turn away at the door. Companies like ATi I deal with frequently. A harmonious partnership is much more productive than a dictatorship of a partnership. However, ATi do need to do a significantly better job in the marketing area.

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So you're one of the 5 companies that ATi will actually answer phone calls and requests for? Most people can't even get them to send test hardware...

I don't deal with ATi directly, just companies with principles similar to ATi, thats what I meant ;)

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Originally Posted by Ket

I don't deal with ATi directly, just companies with principles similar to ATi, thats what I meant ;)

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Then you have no idea what it's like trying to work with them... There's a reason everyone in the know says they give NO support to developers.

So, by your statement, you say a company that never assists with anything is the type of company you like to work with, and that's a harmonious relationship?

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

It's a joke. And it seems to me that anyone defending NV's actions either has something to gain, directly or indirectly, or hasn't thought it through very well. It seems pretty simple I'm not sure why it's necessary to complicate the hlel out of it, unless of course the goal is to seed a little FUD.
And they are no doubt grateful for this kind of discussion, because even though it's clear to see that their actions are blatantly wrong, a little FUD goes a looooong way to muddy the water.
But all that needs to be remembered are: Assasin's Creed, Futuremark Vantage, and now Batman. And those are just the titles that we know about because they are so obviously skewed in nv's favor.

Yeah, TWIMTBP is such a benefit to consumers, but as long as the sheep keep blindly following along, nv will milk them for all they're worth.

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Well said. Add to this the fact that they deliberately make physics not work on a computer that has catalyst installed and i think we have enough reason for anyone that cares about the consumer to boycot nvidia.

Ursus, you're clearly still new to the hardware scene... A boycott of NVidia, ATi, Intel, or AMD would be worse for the hardware market than you'd ever imagine. If any of the 4 fell and died, their competitor would have free reign to do as they please, which would lead to a stagnation, unbelievably high prices, and eventually the end of pc gaming.

I mean, if that's what you want, then so be it...

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Then you have no idea what it's like trying to work with them... There's a reason everyone in the know says they give NO support to developers.

So, by your statement, you say a company that never assists with anything is the type of company you like to work with, and that's a harmonious relationship?

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Quite the contrary, the phillosophy with the companies I work with who have similar principles to ATi is very clear, their message is; any troubles let us know and we will help you out.

Ati can't be blamed because somebody at a games dev couldn't be bothered to pick up the damn phone.

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Ursus, you're clearly still new to the hardware scene... A boycott of NVidia, ATi, Intel, or AMD would be worse for the hardware market than you'd ever imagine. If any of the 4 fell and died, their competitor would have free reign to do as they please, which would lead to a stagnation, unbelievably high prices, and eventually the end of pc gaming.

I mean, if that's what you want, then so be it...

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I do not think me boycotting nvidia is going to make them die. You are right of course, a world without nvidia would suck. So how should consumers let nvidia know they are going too far?

Vote with your feet, buy the alternative. Once nvidia start seeing significant sales losses, then they will have to take a good long hard look at themselves and listen to their customers - their the ones that keep them in business.

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Originally Posted by Ket

Quite the contrary, the phillosophy with the companies I work with who have similar principles to ATi is very clear, their message is; any troubles let us know and we will help you out.

Ati can't be blamed because somebody at a games dev couldn't be bothered to pick up the damn phone.

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Dont try to make out like one is better than the other, FFS people, AMD/Intel/ATi/Nv would all ring the neck of a cute kitten to get the profits up 1%.

I'm not saying ANY company is better than the other, its all down to the business ethics a company employs. Nvidia like a controlling dictatorship style, while ATi prefer a mutual respect and co-operation style. Both styles have their merits, but in the long run keeping participants in whatever project as satisfied as possible is more beneficial.

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Then you have no idea what it's like trying to work with them... There's a reason everyone in the know says they give NO support to developers.

So, by your statement, you say a company that never assists with anything is the type of company you like to work with, and that's a harmonious relationship?

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I click AMD games i see game they're supporting.
So saying they give NO support to developers and that they never assists :down:

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Originally Posted by Decami

Tapping on the shoulder of a company busy creating a game isn't going to get anything done. Nvidia has an entire marketing strategy and department based on this single thing called "The way its meant to be played" ATI has, hmm........idk....

Example: Me and you have the same product. You go out all over the place displaying the product talking about it, working closely with other companies pushing it. and I just
sit with my development team, doing nothing

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right, ati guys are just sitting around, doing nothing... :)

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Originally Posted by Decami

That is my complaint. Not saying its right what happened, and theres no excuse for AA not to work with Batman on ATI hardware. But to be honest. This probably would haven't happened if
ATI made more of an effort to counter Nvidia's "The way its meant to be played"

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i dont know man... i think that would only polarize the game dev community and cause lots of bickering and trouble and more compatibility problems...

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Originally Posted by Decami

We dont know whats happening behind the curtain. But even if Nvidia is bullying their way into the development of games and pushing ATI out. Its ATI's own fault
for not paying attention and being on top of their game with the marketing of their hardware.

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so if your competition is a bully its your own fault if you dont act like a bully yourself... is that what your saying? :P

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Originally Posted by gallag

Dont try to make out like one is better than the other, FFS people, AMD/Intel/ATi/Nv would all ring the neck of a cute kitten to get the profits up 1%.

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even i would ring the neck of a cute kitten to get a few hundred million dollars.

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

I click AMD games i see game they're supporting.
So saying they give NO support to developers and that they never assists :down:

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The issue is they pick and choose who they work with, and leave the others in the cold. That's the problem.

Compare how many AMD work with to how many NVidia work with. :shocked:

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Originally Posted by Ket

Quite the contrary, the phillosophy with the companies I work with who have similar principles to ATi is very clear, their message is; any troubles let us know and we will help you out.

Ati can't be blamed because somebody at a games dev couldn't be bothered to pick up the damn phone.

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So you never actually worked with ATI but yet you know what it's like? :rofl:

I love how people think smaller company/underdog = more honest.

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Originally Posted by DilTech

So you're one of the 5 companies that ATi will actually answer phone calls and requests for? Most people can't even get them to send test hardware...

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It's all baloney and I doubt you have any prove to post such at news forum. I would like to see a Moderator on non-vendor specific site a little bit less biased.

The fact is AMD has a developers assistance team and sends ton of free hardware to game developers, the only difference is there is not always big check attached with the hardware. They're also not so stupid not to answer a game developer phone call. I'm absolutely sure Eidos doesn't have such problem.

Or are you trying to suggest that AMD's Richard Huddy is not telling the true (start watching at 10min mark).

I believe this was posted at Xtreme News before.

mhhhh not really... i worked for amd customer support and i did notice that dev relations arent exactly perfect... when game devs call the regular tech support cause they cant get a reply from any of their propper contacts for a while thats quite telling... :D

i still think its childish to turn a support offer down once you do get it... and its not really fair to your customers...

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Originally Posted by Heinz68

It's all baloney and I doubt you have any prove to post such at news forum. I would like to see a Moderator on non-vendor specific site a little bit less biased.

The fact is AMD has a developers assistance team and sends ton of free hardware to game developers, the only difference is there is not always big check attached with the hardware. They're also not so stupid not to answer a game developer phone call. I'm absolutely sure Eidos doesn't have such problem.

Or are you trying to suggest that AMD's Richard Huddy is not telling the true (start watching at 10min mark).

I believe this was posted at Xtreme News before.

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Ask around... Also, you DO realize I'm in the industry, right? NVidia send us hardware all the time(we had a DX10 part from them when they launched the 7800GTX 512mb), ATi? Never.

I do know what I'm talking about here, and many others have been vocal about it as well.

p.s. I can't say any more than that due to a little piece of paper they make us sign. Some people here know what I do, but I'm not going to get into a big spiel about it as we're preferred not to talk about it. :cool:

Saaya will back me up on developer issues with ATi.

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Ask around... Also, you DO realize I'm in the industry, right? NVidia send us hardware all the time(we had a DX10 part from them when they launched the 7800GTX 512mb), ATi? Never.

I do know what I'm talking about here, and many others have been vocal about it as well.

p.s. I can't say any more than that due to a little piece of paper they make us sign. Some people here know what I do, but I'm not going to get into a big spiel about it as we're preferred not to talk about it. :cool:

Saaya will back me up on developer issues with ATi.

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So who are you what's the big secret? You can't tell because somebody let you sign some piece of paper?

All I know you're moderator at this forum and as such you should not be biased, some of your post sure look like that.

It's not any secret that AMD sends ton of hardware to developers. I rather believe AMD's Richard Huddy who isn't secretive about who he is.

Beside I did see other AMD's interview about the same subject and confirming the same.

Why should I ask Saaya? Is he game developer or are you game developer? Why should I listen to somebody hearsay. Like everything posted at forums is true.

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Beside why should I ask around. You posted in the news section this baloney:
"So you're one of the 5 companies that ATi will actually answer phone calls and requests for? Most people can't even get them to send test hardware..

So it's up to you to prove it.

Saaya worked for AMD's customer service... He'll tell you that frequently when game developers had to reach AMD they had to go through customer service because AMD's reps wouldn't take the call.

As for a piece of paper, ever heard of the letters N. D. and A? Before that, I use to freely talk about it. It's not so much secretive, but rather if I slip up and say something too far it won't fall back on my employers, which is why we're not suppose to talk about who we work for any more. It's a rather major 3d company, and we've NEVER been given a single piece of hardware from AMD, while NVidia has given us prototypes of cards that the consumer never even knows exists...

As for being "biased" do I have to remind you that in my rig right now is a 4850?

The most important thing to remember here, is that nv influenced the developers to disable features in Batman if you are running an ATi card. That's the bottom line no matter how complicated some want to try and make it. I seem to remember how big of a deal it was when Intel had a certain compiler that disabled features if an AMD cpu was detected. The similarities are striking.

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Originally Posted by Truckchase!

By all means, please enlighten all of us oh master of knowledge. Your three troll posts on the thread thus far haven't added much value to my life. Are you withholding information that would settle this debate once and for all?

Why don't you tell us how this AA algorithm is both superior and at the same time inappropriate for ATI cards? Tech specs please, this is after all, a technology forum!

Now is your time to shine and show us all how much you know about game development!

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you know he will pwn you on computer graphics. your just asking for it. maybe you should read some of his posts before assuming he knows nothing.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

even i would ring the neck of a cute kitten to get a few hundred million dollars.

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What if you only got a measly amount of stock options and had to give the rest to shareholders?