Previously this is what I had, similar results except on P4 system was ablt to do 260.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
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Previously this is what I had, similar results except on P4 system was ablt to do 260.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Look back through posts.
Mailed a store in Germany, which had the 1 gig kit in stock.
Asked them what the markings on the chips were, and the final 4 characters on the P/N #.
Got this reply :
die pn endet auf aa4t.
auf den chips steht 0448 sowie tmd7608f8e44d
Sounds good. Gonna order 1 pack.
To bad they don't have the 256MB stick ATM.
damn! good chip code!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jupiler
where are you getting those from?
and do they still have some 1gig kits in stock?
Because there isn´t any Speed Premium available in Finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
These will do just fine for now, tested first two 1GB kits and both ran memtest over an hour error free at 240FSB 2-2-2-5-Turbo-7.8µ-70µs-Enabled-Enabled-Disabled (Addr CPC)-Enabled with 3.3V only :D
It´s going to take a while to get these all tested ;)
Most of the sticks have chips from week 50, so I guess that week 50 or newer are the best overclockers.
http://www.overclockers.de
They ship inside Europe, even with COD (cash on delivery)
I just placed my order, but I just checked again, and it seems like they're out of stock now. Got my order confirmation though.
Bad news, I called Twinmos today spoke to Alice Lo. According to "company policy" because I bought my ram from newegg, she says it's against "company policy" to send my week 43D 512 sticks to her in exchange for current dates. So basically I'm stuck with these until we have official word that newegg has the "good" speed premium 512 sticks. Sorry Klisp, I tried. But I looked at newegg just now and all the speed premium is sold out again. Must be dudes from other forums. Boy, they are gonna have a rude awakening when they get those sticks lol.
strange, ill try it on a P4 later :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
tnx :) i've emailed another german shop. lets hope they have good UTT memQuote:
Originally Posted by Jupiler
finally got my old scanner powered on :)Quote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...s_512_scan.jpg
i notice your location in Il = Illinois?, about 2 days ago i just send a package for my sister weighted 3kg to Urbana Champaign, Illinois... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Skip
so this UTT is finally rolling in!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Jack:
the 1 gig kit is out of stock, but apparently, they still have the 512MB sticks available (79.90€ for 1*512MB)
Anyone noticed how the OCZ reps have been very quiet ever since the community came to the conclusion that VX = Windbond UTT?
pls notice that the speed premium 2x256 MB sticks i have, also uses the same chip. and ALMOST IDENTIC P/N# i'll post it later for comparison
didnt even notice that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jupiler
i send them an email also,
tnx! :toast:
yea... well what do they have to say? bigtoe already confirmed a few weeks ago that the secret :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Torin
i'm gonna order aswell! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack
how high are yours clocking?Quote:
Originally Posted by setyotomo
Yep me too, very hard to get these in the Netherlands :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
ChiefValue.com had a picture of the speed premium aa4t chips last week, now they are the aadt's.
I ordered them last week, so *hope* i get the newer ones...
ok this one is the 256x2 speed premium sticks - hope it may help you guys :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...s_256_scan.jpg
I really hope that you don´t wonder why it is like that... ever tried to call Asus and ask for better OCÃ:banana:ng board for exchange :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Like i said, we in Germany got new stock where ALL TwinMOS/M.tec came with PSC
BUT
regular TwinMOS/TwinmOS came with AA4T - no time and setup to test atm but i think you´ll find results very soon ;)
BTW: best regards to Alice if anyone calls her next time :D
so you mean the next batch is PSC again? will it have AA4T on it?
do i write no english?
it comes in AADT which is Powerchip but this can - especially for M.tec - change very quick ;)
also for regular TwinMOS/TwinMOS we had AADT last week and AA4T this week
so it´s still the same old story - watch out for AA4T on any new TwinMOS Memory ;)
ok i'm sorry. :p:
why do you guys keep changeing the dies! :(
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonso
Alice is a good employee, I have nothing against her. It's the "company policy" I disagree with. I wasn't asking twinmos for a bone marrow transplant, I was simply requesting some sticks with the current technology. I think this is why OCZ still OWNS in the cust. service dept. OCZ wouldn't even blink if I had the same request. And btw, Asus is not a good example of cust. service. :D
well obviously twinmos just need to increase the price of the AA4T 500% and then they, like OCZ, can afford to pander to the whims of their patrons.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
However, i seriously doubt Twinmos are going to charge you 500% more than what those RAMs are worth... :stick:
:banana::banana::banana::banana: it my friend got AADT :(
how can it return it ?
I am just going to send these back in a few days to newegg. hopefully this 3rd restock will hold the key. Sorry to Alonso, Alice Lo, Asus, OCZ, newegg, and everyone else I offended.Quote:
Originally Posted by swami
you gonna pay 15% + shipping etc ?Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Well if twinmos won't take them, who will?Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
Alonso could you please give me a link to some pdf or spec sheet with detailed info on the winbond UTT IC's/ TwinMOS 44/50D, if it's possible ?
Are the SpeedPremium or TwiSTER PRO available to purchase to distributors in Eastern Europe ?
Thanx in advance...
will be postin' resultus soon for 2*AA4T 1 GB kits with 50D labeled IC's bought in a B&M store in my country.
trans am why not rma for a replacment and not a refund?
since it sounds like the ones on newegg are going to be half and half, you could just keep rma'ing until you get lucky. shipping would cost alot though lol.
i'm :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing angry...grrrrr
cause 160$ for this ram is way too much......kingston value or ocz 60$ * 2 is better...
trans am, cant you say that AADT modules arent compatible with your mobo and that you need AA4T mem for it to work :D
THat's what I am doing, just rma for replacement and cross my fingers. I think newegg will have them finally on the 3rd official restock since this thread began. We'll see, 3 strikes and I'm out.
well its a good thing they are relatively cheap.... so if you cant send em back it aint the end of the world
OT: btw this thread is like #2 in ammount of replies in the whole forum, #1 being the A64 OC thread in XtremeOverclocking i think when we reach 1000 we should open the champagne :toast: :p:
trans_am yeah but they charge you 15% don't they ?
has anyone ordered these from Chief Value yet?
EDIT:
Dont know if this is already old news, but not all Speed Premium is UTT.... this stick of 512MB DDR400 Speed Premium has AADT in the code... maybe it is just an old one????
i really hope that the prices wont shoot up with the demand....after all newegg viciously enjoys jacking up there prices like 50% in a period of a day
alonso already said in this thread that speed premium is produced with both psc and winbond chips :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
so you just have to look for the AA4T and watch out you dont get psc chips
Didnt alonso say REGULAR Twinmos memory can be PSC or UTT??
I just thought the Speed Premium was considered as a sure thing... my bad
yea... and you can never be sure that they have the right code listed :(
well good thing its stickied...Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
oh wait.
seriously whats with that? do mods just ignore this thread?
anyways, i as at CC looking at the KVR today, i saw some with the dimples but it was rated CL3, it had the metal on the ends too, but i know that winbond cant run CL3 so i gave up...
it was funny the computer rep kept telling me that i should give up and buy corsair because he uses corsair and its always been best for him blah blah blah...
i wanted to slap him. :slap:
VX do CAS3 without any trouble... dont know if it's custom OCZ SPD programming or these UTT chips now do CAS3...Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
this is something i can only shake my head...Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
oh, well hmm, anyone that has utt do cas 3 tests? if so then i got a few 256mb dimms at my CC to pick up lol.
the UTT i had (PC2700) did run at CAS3 on my neo board as I set it by accident
The KVR are at my local CC too, and Diablo at OCF tested a 512 stick on his P4 @ 3.2 and hit 255 with it. The only thing is that Diablo's and the ones I saw had the labels very different than the typical Kingston label in that the "Kingston" as well as a series of codes are across the top line where usually you find only the Kingston label and then the rest of the codes are across the bottom (only two rows of codes) with the middle of the chip, where you can see the dimples, having no coding at all. As a point of reference, this blank space would be were the M.tec have the date codes.
Diablo's KVR sticks have chips with 0449 date codes, but the ones I saw had 0417 coding which scared me off. Could these be Infineon ch-5 instead of Winbond UTT?
We need more KVR samples before we can start drawing conclusions.
Attached is a picture of the KVR, but since it is a little unclear, I have provided the information written on Diablo's KVR chip below (from his post at OCF).
Kingston B11444.02
(blank row)
D3208DW3T-5U 0449PT01
Diablo's OCZ and KVR, both tested to 255. Notice the M.tec chips have 0431 and 0430 dates which are earlier than what the Speed Premiums have on them.
One last thing that I'm sure has been noticed, but I'll repeat it. TwimMOS chip's coding starts with the TM D and the M.tec chips start with the TT D. I know people have been asking and it appears to me to be nothing more than an internal identifier at TwinMOS.
What would be the difference between Infineon CH-5 and TwinMOS UTT 50D?
They are both speed binned (all be it by different firms) to be 5ns or better chips... and they are all made on the Winbond machines...
The date code would scare me off too reefa, most of the time newer is better and with CH-5 this has been especially true... that process must be getting pretty mature now
I would think that there would be no difference, however, SteveOCZ (rep) responded to my question over at OCF by saying that he thought the Infineon c-die was different than the Winbond UTT. He also stated that Infineon has continued to make CH-5. I don't know whether or not that is true. I do know that Alonso says TwinMOS treats the UTT as CH-5 internally.
The thing that makes me think they would be the same is that all of the new releases about Winbond UTT indicate that the inlabeled/untested stuff being sold by Winbond is the excess capacity that Infineon did not buy. So what is Infineon doing with the stuff they did buy? Is that what is used in the KVR with the earlier dates?
I just have questions..not much in the way of answers.
i dont think the UTT is CH-5 as CH-5 did better at low volts.
That is a very valid point and easily overlooked. Thanks for the reminder.
So what is Infineon doing with their allotment of Winbond UTT.
Don't they have a "B-line" or something. Now I've got to go check all of the second rate stores selling cheap Infineon...there goes another evening spent in front of the monitor.
I didnt say ALL UTT is CH-5, I said 50D roughly = CH-5... UTT on it's own is just CH-? by the looks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
PS, ask conrad how well his VX does at 2.85v ;)... I think last I heard it was past 230 2-2-2
I think he was responding to my post where I stated that I thought it was the same.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
yes i was responding to reefa...
but... conrad is even more proof this is not CH-5, at 2.8v OVP kicked in until 3.1 iirc.
if you mean 50d can be compared to CH-5, then i would agree with you.
got my 2 512mb sticks today - they are the aa4t 44d's
yay.
it will take me some time to test them though, I am moving cases and a bunch of other stuff. for those wondering these were the individual 512 sticks of speed premium at newegg, not the 1gb kit.
44D i think means 4.4nanoseconds. which makes it pc3700 i believe. ch5 is pc3200 memory.
tronik, congratulations!
good to know the speed premium at newegg had some winners in it. the next shipment of SP's from them will most assuredly be UTT i'm guessing.
Let us know how they go TRONIK :), those 44Ds are the cream of the crop I hopeQuote:
Originally Posted by __TRONIK__
Quote:
Originally Posted by __TRONIK__
:brick: Damn, I should have kept with my order. How many others have gotten 512 aa4t's from newegg. the way my luck is going, mine probly would have been good ones since I cancelled my order. :(
Congrats on the new mem. Im sure I will be able to come up on another 200 bucks soon once there confirmed utt's. Atleast Im getting 2x256mb.
At last!
I managed to find a shop in Greece which has EXACTLY the same AA4T 512mb sticks like the one's esdee owns. I bought 2 for 138 euro's (69 each) and the seller has another 50 same sticks in stock :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
I'm letting them burn in in my NF7-S at stock for now ... tomorrow I'll go get another 2X512 and thats it for me ... :cool:
I will bring these to a friend's IC7 P4 board to test them as I'm not sure how well my NF7-S can handle these due to the nforce2 issue being picky with 512mb modules :rolleyes:
And to think that some other shops have the AADT stuff which they sell 89 euro's a 512mb stick :p:
Keep up the search everyone! :cool:
hey tronik, what part of the US are you from.
Sounds like the 512s are starting to surface. All I can say is thank God! I got a week 44 3200 from monarch today. All I need now is ram. I hope this stuff surfaces more and keeps shipping. Please let us know how it goes tronik.
i'm close to chicago, but i've seen the university there, its a nice campus.Quote:
Originally Posted by setyotomo
Just got it.
http://dagoof.no-ip.com/oc/twinmos.jpg
we'll see how she does after a burn in (I'm sure it can run at lower vdimm, I was just being overkill)
overkill, man give it more and put a fan on it
Haha, I cant, until I get the maximizer - put off the getting the booster, waiting for it... So I'm still without high VDimm
Quote:
Originally Posted by __TRONIK__
I think this may be worth reitterating.... I bought two separate sticks of Twinmoss SP's and they BOTH were aa4t 44d's... is it me, or does this spell out really good news.
Good news for US hunter :)
Speed Premium for a reason, rated at the 44D. Seems like all the new sticks though are AA4T. Nice. And what's this maximizer you speak of?
noone has answered my question... any issues at maintaining such high voltages? i assume a fan posistioned over the ram would be wise, but i still wanna know if anyone has hit any issues over an extended period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by pik-ard v1.1
and the last few posts, are you talking about buying from newegg specifically and getting the aa4t 44d ones?
Gonna get some sticks soon...
any word of how these perform on AXP?
the DDR Maximizer is a unit being developed by Hipro5 that claims to dish out rock solid voltages for your memory, like OCZ DDR Booster, but non-fluctuating, and guranteed 4.22vdimm
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=42220
Only at XS is 3.64 not considered "high VDimm". :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGoof
On a positive note for Canadians, my thread at NCIX.com got answered. They say they'll look into getting TwinMOS Speed Premium, but no promises. :/
the maximizer will be the answer to my dreams.
only 256mb, i wanna see more benchies w/2*512mb
i would guess these sticks will be good with AXP.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
Sweet :banana: I just hope the Maximizer works on DFI lol :banana4:
I doubt it will unfortunately dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by Negative Design
Why do you say that? I thought it was pretty much compatible with any board you can throw at it?
The booster isnt compatible... I think it uses the same method as the booster. I could be wrong so best to ask Hipro5
I guess we'll have to see :D
ive pmed hipro5 several times about it and allhe will tell me is that its being tested soon, ive even offered beta testing to no avail.
well i must be dreaming ... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
i have the prototype sitting on my tower :p:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22462&stc=1
does it work with a dfi??
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGoof
i guess we'll have to wait untill i have the DFI ...
for now it works just fine with the MSI Neo2 :D
Stupid MSI issue makes my UTT go 'only' at 240Mhz!
now i gained 3Mhz!! so 243Mhz and i look forward for a DFI 939!
(hipro5 did 260 with my DIMMs on his AS8)
I had a similar experience. My VX only did 248 in the neo2 with ddr booster. I put them in single channel dfi nf3-250 and they did 264 2x512.Quote:
Originally Posted by esdee
stupid MSI board ... i did almost anything to get them at 250 ... tried every BIOS (not 1.5x) and every possible settings on the memory timmings ...Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
2x256 LE GSkills easily did 295 in DC ...
i ll have to face it ... my board hates Winbond!
I think that board has a problem regulating the voltage from ddr boosters and it just can't handle high vdimm. I noticed the vdimm would flux a lot. After a while the board just decided to quit on me and I was unable to achieve any overclock above stock. Needless to say, after 2 of them, I am not going to buy anymore.
Was playing around with my vdimm, and goodness it makes a big difference - Not sure how much higher I can take this ram, but it keeps going until my power supply can't give it what it needs.
MUST HAVE MAXIMIZER to uncover the limits of this UTT
here's my module, in case anyone cares.
http://dagoof.no-ip.com/oc/speedwhole2.jpg
http://dagoof.no-ip.com/oc/speedback2.jpg
http://dagoof.no-ip.com/oc/speedchip2.jpg
would you buy me pair of hand sellected ? i'm from slovenija, so we both in EU ...shipping shouldnt be a problem :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daytime Dreamer
i can wire € to your international account...pleaseeeeeee
[QUOTE=Zyklon5]Alonso could you please give me a link to some pdf or spec sheet with detailed info on the winbond UTT IC's/ TwinMOS 44/50D, if it's possible ?
Are the SpeedPremium or TwiSTER PRO available to purchase to distributors in Eastern Europe ?[QUOTE]
sorry - not possible...
I can only speak of german sales - send email ti TwinMOS Netherlands to verify where to find these modules in your country.
OK guys,
I stickied this thread for the time being but I suggest that everyone reads this forum rule again :
This is regarding RMA'ing your hardware.Quote:
12. The management of this Forum does not condone theft, trading in stolen property, fraudulent return of merchandise, or the aiding and abetting of those who do. Any such discussions regarding stolen property or fraudulent returns will be dealt with swiftly, and the offending member risks complete loss of membership privileges in our Forums.
If the memory you bought works at the rated speeds, then I see no reason why it should be RMA'ed back to the store you bought it from.
In this case, any RMA is considered as fraudulent.
So discussions like these are out of the question and will not be allowed, resulting in the topic being closed and removed.
Hope this is clear for everyone.
thx for that Jupiler ;)
will you keep an eye of those who do this bull**** ?
So guys, sorry to barge in on you guys but I didn't have the time (nor patients for that matter :rolleyes: ) to look trhough the 31 pages here.
SO my question is the following, I'm about to buy ram
Apacer RAM but it hasn't come in yet.
So I can still cancell my order and buy me a gig of Twinmos(2x512)
From this site (it's dutch but I i just wanna know)
http://comtechnology.be/shop/product...28b7c322302eac
Now could you guys tell me if those would be the ones with VX chips? I KNOW they are "new" makes so not old ones because for one they sell a lot of those things and they always buy only what they need so never in big quantities.
EDIT:
http://comtechnology.be/shop/product...28b7c322302eac
Those are cheaper and since I do not have dual channel I don't need something that'll cost me 20 bucks more :)
will those have the chips also?
(presumably)
So PLEASE
Post here if you think those can be the ones with them chips
I'm sure I can sell my current RAM for like 80 euro's or something (cheapass Apacer DDR 3200 with TCCC chips) just when I put on some of them boards that they'll clock to a decent 420MHZ with enough volts etc and on good timings.
But as said thats not the problem,please let me know if those could be the ones.
although 160 is a bit expensive for a gig (well not really my apacer 512module I orderd is 90 euros so.....) I'm still willing to try it out :) espesially knowing i can get about 80 euros out of my apacer ram
BTW I do not plan on directly buying me a booster so will about 2.8-2.9Volts cut it? :)
They have to reach about 220 mhz and good timings on those volts
thanks in advance!!!!!!!
:brick:
look for AA4T or rtf thread
hey alonso, you might wanna read my post carefully.
They don't order unless something is orderd from them.
They've had a LOT of burglary's latly so they switched to this polecy. can't blame'm either they got like 10 burglary's in a span of a good 2-3 months!!!!!!!
So I can't go there and say Hey Can I look at the Twinmos ram?
I just wanna know if they are possibly it (how much change there is to it)
Because those single 512MB modules only cost 72 euros so I can surely get rid of my other ramstick apacer for 70->80 euros around here so I can buy me a gig of that, but I have to know there is a good possibility of it
And and btw, cool it will you? I may not be around for long on these boards people DO NOT like it when they get flamed.
People here are verry helpfull and so am I but you really need to try NOT to go off at people. It's bound to recoil
You're registerd since january 2003 so you're most likly know more about these boards and the people then I do but if you think that the above does not apply to people here, then be sure it applies to me.
I serisuly DO NOT like to get barked at so if you wanna bark at people go do it somewhere else and not on a forum where people come for their enjoyment ok?
and also I KNOW i have to look for AAT4 and the dots etc but I just asked for the liklyhood of those being equipped with them chips. Not if they where them for sure
I'd be keeping the twinmos that I ordered myself as I know it was a gamble. But the Garbage I recieved will not even post. I am RMAing for legitemate reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonso
Fancy putting mixed ICs on the same stick, ptah! :stick:
That said, everyone should accept that it is still a gamble at the moment, if you lose out and the RAM does what it says on the sticker, live with it.
Has anyone actually tried settings other than 2-2-2? If they dont mind higher latencies... Not only is this ram VX killer, it could be TCCD killer as well (if we can keep increasing the fsb) :idea:
[I know it's been mentioned, but I havent seen any results, and I'm away from my pc right now]
Calm down a bit! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Entity_Razer
Alonso's answer might not have been the most friendly one, but he was right.
How the hell should he know what this particular shop is selling??? If it's new stuff, then your chances are quite good, to get the Winbond UTT chips. But you'll never know without having any detailed info from the shop.
Get that RAM or leave it. We can't tell you what you'll get, because we don't know it either. How should we.
BTW, it would've been enough to read some (~5) of the pages to know what to look for. No need to read all 32.