well if it is 699 they can keep it, i'm not paying 1400 bucks for two cards and i'll still need two at 1600p:down:
it will be the first top card I've skipped since the 9700 pro and two in cf since x1950xtx
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well if it is 699 they can keep it, i'm not paying 1400 bucks for two cards and i'll still need two at 1600p:down:
it will be the first top card I've skipped since the 9700 pro and two in cf since x1950xtx
How many monitors? Don't think you will need two for single monitor...Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
2 at 1600p? I thought there was a demo of battlefield 4 running at 4k on a single 290x.....
it was 4k with 290x cfxQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
and unless it is a lot faster than a titan it will still need two at 1600p, now if one was as fast as two 7970 in cfx I would pay 699 for it, but it won't be
If you want one as fast as two 7970 then buy a 7990... Lol!
why I have two asus gtx 680 directcu ii top's and two asus 7970 directcu ii top's in my two systems now nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
but the 7990 is 550 now with 6gb and 8 games , I would think a single 290x would be cheaper to make
Hmm
"BF4 demo at AMD event was running one 290X card @ higher than 3K resolution"
http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/...psba15acdd.jpg
on the 25th they said cfx but who know, but that was the mantle demo I think and few games have it so farQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
I don't think there has been a bf4 performance review yet ?
edit =well one
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ce,3634-9.html
and a single titan is down to 47 fps at 1440p and min to 37 :down:
and at best I don't think a 290x will be better than 5% over a titan without mantle
I thought the CFX was for the Dirt whatever game that was running 3x4k...Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
maybe and I think it was but what FPS and now do it with crysis 3 on maxQuote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
but hay I just turned 54 and you want me to remember over two weeks :)
At 1440p+, in any remotely demanding title, that is multi gpu territory.
AMD is just trying to show off 2160p to market their new card and BF4. I wouldn't read into it too much, it's just a PR stunt. The numbers will speak for themselves when retail BF4 and the R290 are available to the public
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Originally Posted by Lanek
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/news/...p?storyid=8053
8 Ace's and they moved the rasterizer and gemotry in the SM .. , it seems each geometry processor have been too moved from the front end to the SM. ( i have say they have completely redesign the front end )
I have not get the time to analyze it ( too much work here )
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7441/bco1.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/930/2knj.jpg
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4223/bt9p.jpg
^^ Does this mean that games with more polygons at higher resolution will be significantly faster with 290x than 7970? But if polygon count and pixel count stay low, the advantage will be minimal for 290x?
no 290x will still have the advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuffme
for the table and if we think in theory it will take 0.525 seconds for 290x to process number of primitives that 7970 process in one second. of course in real world we will have lots other variables that will effect the final output but in theory this math is correct.
Radeon's rasterization granularity is still twice larger than what Nvidia GPUs have been capable since Fermi. Developers know that too small primitives will lead to huge performance overhead, no matter how many gazillions of polygons a GPU can setup per second. For example, in CryEngine3 the default primitive size on tessellated objects is optimized for Nvidia's hardware.
Wow, now that is a surprise.
Looks like Hawaii IS the GPU for +1080p.
Try imagine where it is aim when it will be shrinked in 20nm... Good luck Nvidia .Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
w00t ! :eek: It will be a Pixel Pushing Monster:up: , much more than what I was thinking , thanks for sharing this new info my friend Lanek :yepp:
What an uncalled-for comment. What about Maxwell? At 28nm or even at 20nm? Good luck AMD. See, I can do it, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...e=679%3A446074
R9 290 is on the egg as "Coming soon". No sign of the 290X yet.
Sorry, that has been said a ridiculous number of times in every single Hawaii/VI thread I have read.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
I know. The point is, his comment was nonsense and I was using my statement to illustrate just that.
I appologize, this was an unjustified attack against Nvidia ....Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
You better ap... ^^^ ;)
No, you got to be careful. heat can be an issue resulting in less overclock, power delivery system (i.e 2 x 8pin vs 6+8 & 6+8 = less wattage to source)...more expensive than two 7970.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
Yup, that's why I gave up on waiting and it's price...because I'm gaming at 1080p only (120hz with back-light strobing to eliminate motion blur).
CF can be disabled on Dual AMD cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefStar
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by solofly
Edit...I was misinformed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
umm.... I have disabled crossfire on my 7990... maybe because I have a non reference powercolor?Quote:
Originally Posted by DefStar
You are wrong :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DefStar
i have AMD HD 7990 (reference) and i can disable crossfire in any game i want:up:
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Wow! I should have just started a new thread. I searched google "Disable crossfire 7990" and all I got was you can't disable it...pre-13.8 Cat.. So, have you guys been able to do this since before 13.8 drivers? Or maybe the search results google gave me where of complete noobs who can't figure out how to disable crossfire. Oh well, rather have two 7970s anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
So you have to have a game profile to disable crossfire on 7990 then?
yeah :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DefStar
You know there are some people stupid and they want to talk:eek:, even though they are stupid:D
yes :up:Quote:
have you guys been able to do this since before 13.8 drivers?
Definitely big nooooobs :shakes:Quote:
Or maybe the search results google gave me where of complete noobs who can't figure out how to disable crossfire.
You can create a profile easily for any games and do what you want, including disable crossfire :up:Quote:
So you have to have a game profile to disable crossfire on 7990 then?
I updated my posts so some poor guy doesn't come across it and get fooled like me. I would have got the 7990 though, because then I would only need one water-block. Yeah, I was totally thinking that it is still in theory two video cards...but maybe. Well, now I know...thank you guys. I just got my two 7970s from newegg yesterday, I could return them...but then I would end up doing tri-fire which is just way overkill for my 1080p monitor, and hence $ wasted...i need to update from my 89 ford ranger :), but it just keeps running.
H? stop fight guys... lets be in peace.... lol
No fight, just updating my memory bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
No problem my friend Ask When what you want :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DefStar
I advise you to buy a 7990
HD 7990 = PCI Express 1 slot
HD 7970 CF = PCI Express 2 slot + more noise + more heat
In the end, HD 7990 will give you the same performance of HD 7970 CF:)
If you believe that this rational debate......is a fight :eek: you need to drink a cup of coffee:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
Only one ?? i need hundred of liters of cofee after this week.. ( i work too much , i should do a break )Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
i work too much + I think the real reason is the daily thinking about one thing only..............R9 290X :D:p:
you and i and all work, and work pressure is unbearable but nevertheless must take a rest
You need to take a big break :)
Heh, I drink so much coffee...that I can't tell if its doing anything. I can go right to sleep after drinking 4 cups (coffee pot measurement) of coffee.
Ok .. Coffee is the peace maker of this world
Does anyone know when the reviews will hit? I know one reviewer and he doesn't have a card yet. I was told not to expect the reviews before the week after next week. Apparently the NDA for the 15th doesn't concern the 290(X).
Quadfire 6990Quote:
have you guys been able to do this since before 13.8 drivers?
http://i.imgur.com/ULTeZu2.jpg
PlayStation 4 & AMD Radeon R9 290X GPU share the same 8 ACE ( Asynchronous Compute Engines )
:confused: hmmmmmQuote:
Newly leaked slides from AMD's new Radeon R9 290X Hawaii GPU reveals that the Volcanic Islands GPU will also feature 8 Asynchronous Compute Engines much like the Liverpool GPU inside of Sony's new PS4.
Each of the 8 ACE's can manage up to 8 compute queues for a total of 64 compute commands, in comparison the HD 7970 only has 2 ACE's that could only queue 2 compute commands for a total of 4 & the Xbox One only has 2 ACE's but they also manage up to 8 compute queues for a total of 16 compute queues.
Could this mean that the PS4's GPU is also apart of AMD's Volcanic Islands family?
^^ I was coming to that as well. I'm wondering, if ps4 apu is gcn2.0 based, so is it also pixel/triangle cruncher like these new 290x cards? Even though the peak performance in terms of tflops isn't that great, but if it has 90% pixel triangle power than gcn1.0, it wouldn't be suprise why it's so muchs faster than people think.
my opinion is impossible to be like 290x When it comes to specificationsQuote:
I'm wondering, if ps4 apu is gcn2.0 based, so is it also pixel/triangle cruncher like these new 290x cards?
certainly ps4 apu will be much less specifications than 290x
This is what I'm sure of it
PS4 has 1152 sp with 8 ACE, 2 geometry engines, 2 rasterizers, 256 bit memory at 5.5Ghz (176 Gb/s), 8 RBE (render back end) and 32 ROPs. actually PS4 has 1280 sp (same as HD 7870) but two are disabled for yield reasons. R9 290X has 2816 sp , 8 ACE, 4 geometry engines, 4 rasterizers, 512 bit memory at 5 Ghz (320 Gb/s), 16 RBE (render back end) and 64 ROPs. there is no commonality except for the 8 ACE. AMD has used the work they did for 8 ACE for PS4 on the R9 290 cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuffme
R9 290X is a beast of a GPU. This chip doubles HD 7870 aka Pitcairn in every aspect and in sp count goes to 2.2x. I wouldn't be surprised to see R9 290X double the perf of HD 7870 as HD 7870 gets close to 1.9x the perf of HD 7770 for a similar doubling on every aspect. that should put its perf around 10% faster than Titan. since Titan (875 mhz)is clocked lower than R9 290X (1 ghz) we can expect Titan would on average be the same perf/clock compared to R9 290X.
add Mantle upon that and the beast might be beastier :)Quote:
Originally Posted by raghu78
what the hell are they waiting for the card is 6 months late to the market anyway and now all this waiting for what?
How is it 6 months late?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zipelgas
Waiting for launch maybe....
He means because nvidia already did a refreshed 28nm gaming card a long while back, and this is AMD finally months later doing one to be in the same generation. I can understand callingit late from that perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Then GK110 was over a year late going by that logic...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Huh? Not at all, I'm not sure where you got that from out of my post. 28nm small/medium chips came out within a brief time from eachother from both AMD and NVidia, these were first-gen 28nm (Radeon 7970 and GTX 680). Nvidia did a new large chip refresh of 28nm in March, and AMD is only finally refreshing their 28nm lineup with a larger chip. GK110 has nothing to do with first-gen 28nm chips. It is a refreshed 2nd-gen one, as is Volcanic Islands. And therefore you can reasonably say Volcanic Islands is far far behind on release for a 2nd-gen chip on 28nm.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
My point is that you cannot compare "lateness" the way that you two are...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Different product cycles, different development timelines/roadmaps, etc.
The real question for lateness should be, why did we have to wait ~8months for GK110 to be in a consumer product.
Because
a) it wasn't ready until fall 2012
b) it probably was still expensive in fall 2012
c) GK104 competed well against Tahiti
Likely a combination of these 3 factors.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5209354
In other words one company is ahead/behind the other, of course. That goes without saying on timelines. That's not relevant to who is "ahead". GK110 was not ready for a long time after GK104, was expensive to build back then, and GK104 was already a high-end performance level competing well against their competitor's product. GK104 & Tahiti were part of the same 28nm initial generation. Now GK110 has been out for several months, a new 2nd-gen large 28nm chip, and AMD is only finally getting their equivalent chip out the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Again, huh? What's it matter that it's a large chip, small chip, green chip, or wild neon pink chip? The fact of the matter is that NVidia had a high-end-performance-level product out right when AMD did essentially. Now NVidia has had a new generation of 28nm chips (GK110) out but AMD is only finally making their "big" 28nm chip on a new generation. So, yes, they are behind! It's just like console "generations" or any other product. You judge it by release date & relevance to other products on the market. In that context it's very obvious that AMD is very far behind launching their "new 28nm big chip" generation compared to NVidia. That's not a rib or barb at them, but it is indeed the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piledriver
At least have the courtesy and wherewithal to say something other than a sarcastic smiley and a link to another post that isn't really addressing the topic. If you have something to say, say it so a discussion can actually happen.
AMD is not late because...they were ahead in performance so they said no new GPUs until 2014. Then Nvidia released Titan...AMD shrugged their shoulders and released 7990, clearly not expecting that.... Then Nvidia released the 780 and 770 and thus declared a new generation of GPUs out of no where... forcing AMD to react and revamp their current architecture. You can't say they were late to a game that was never scheduled, because there was no word of a new generation battle at all....Nvidia simply saw an opening/weakness and slid in with a new card. Yes, AMD is playing catch-up after being sucker punched...but they are not late....they are fully capable of competing with NVIDIA at anytime. Now, it either all happened like above or this was all A clever price fixing scheme pulled of by staggering releases and acting like these new cards are not replacing the current generation of cards but are actually Bigger more expensive cards further up the pricing tier of the current generation...OMG! AMD even renamed all their old cards to fit this card into a new pricing tier.
Please, I don't want to hear any complaints about so-called "price fixing" :rolleyes:
If people will pay whatever the price they set, then they might as well charge what they can. If it is really too much and people won't buy, and the prices will have to fall accordingly until people start buying again.
If you want to blame anyone for prices being too high, blame the gullible people who buy at ridiculous $700+ prices :p:
Yep, just like high digital download and e-book prices... ha I remember when e-books were touted as a lower-cost alternative and sold as such, compared to a physical book. Now they charge more than the real thing most of the time by a good margin and tout it as "convenient and space-saving!" despite saving a bundle on distribution, warehousing, stock estimation/production runs, physical materials, shipping, logistics, etc. It's absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
Unfortunately people tend to whine but never actually do anything about it. If everyone who said that the prices are too high didn't then go and buy... or everyone who complained that DRM was annoying didn't go ahead and buy anyway... we wouldn't be in this situation today, on video cards, on e-books, on videogames all having online activation nowadays for the most part with account-bound keys, etc. But hey, all in the name of "I want it!" right?
In short, I agree with you. If people are paying it, the companies would be FOOLS to not charge what they can. They're for-profit businesses, not non-profit charities trying to do good in the world and aid people directly. Not to say that businesses don't benefit people, of course, in economic ways, but the end goal is to make money. Thus, if you can charge higher for a product than you really need to, why wouldn't you? Same thing with individuals on ebay, they post the item as high as they think they can get ;). Nothing wrong with it, but don't then complain that prices are rising!
Indeed, reference card prices are starting to reach levels that were reserved for really special custom AIBs cards, people only have themselves to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
^^ is that yours?
and ASIC quality?:)
Boring... :(
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Titan is only new generation or a refresh in your head. Titan was late period. If Titan is a refresh why were all nvidia fanboys talking about it months before, mentioning it's exact specs and how Nvidia didn't release it because it wasn't necessary? Apparently dam thing was ready months ago, woodscrew edition. I stated facts, you want argue over facts go ahead. You trying to convince people that Fermi wasn't late, that when it finally come out, because it was high-end it was AMD that was late, great argument. :rolleyes: I guess you greens don't have much to hold on to this days.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Never heard of Tesla I guess? :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Piledriver
Yup. Nvidia could have released the Titan in fall 2012 if they had wanted to. Perhaps the GPU would have cost a tad more to make, but it's not like Nvidia's margins with Titan are low at $999 MSRP...
What prompted Titans release in February 2013 was - at least in part - AMDs million dollar deal with EA regarding Crysis 3. NV wanted something to counter that, and so they released Titan.
Err, who talked about Fermi? You are the one raising a topic from 2/3 generations ago, where things got bad for nVIDIA, hence you seem to be the one without much to hold on to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piledriver
No, they couldn't. If they could have they would have.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
And this is based on what...fantasy? GK110 clearly existed then, Nvidia could have just ordered more wafers. It's not like you need more than say 10k cards for a initial run.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Yeah, cause you just order up more wafers from TSMC at a drop of a hat and receive them the next day...Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
It is more of a fantasy to believe that they could have released it but didn't "for funsies."
You guys seem to be forgetting about the Titan Supercomputer, obviously it was much more important than selling cards to gamers also tesla cards which have much higher profit margins would take propriety.
Stop trolling me. I never said Nvidia would have ordered the wafers on such short notice. Obviously, that would have had to happen months in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Both companies refrained from a refresh for as long as possible to make as much as they felt they could from the current generation. Neither company is likely to be selling as many cards as before, and AMD is already spending tons on games for inclusion with purchase; they aren't going to refresh and pay for the retooling (if that's not the right word, you know what I mean ;) ) until they absolutely feel it's necessary. As for the increased cost, most components are increasing in price. Memory doubled from where it was, and is still creeping up; SSD prices have gone up; motherboard prices (particularly Intel) have been increasing in price. You also don't find as many deals as one used to. Video cards at $700+ shouldn't be surprising...
Obviously TSMC capacity is limited, especially at their cutting edge nodes.And its split between a number of companys.
So reality is, they could have release the card, but they didnt because it made much more sens to sell them at higher margins in tesla form.
Things could have change if AMD had something with crushing performance, then obviously they would paper launch it with very scarce availability and sky high prices.
Anyhow, the "if they could they would" logic not always applies ,it depends, intel could release an 8 core for desktop in the 200-300$ price range long ago.but they didnt,and probably wont even next year.And with high probability even a year after that :[
absolutely NOT!Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
I'm trying to blame the gullible people but they are not listening:)...people in here will even justify this high price...likely because they have $ to throw away and welcome the idea of themselves being the elite few who own two or more of these in crossfire....yeah, you are real cool guys.
I'm certainly not.Quote:
Originally Posted by m_jones_
You admit it. They couldn't have released consumer cards at that time. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
Intel comparison doesn't apply, it is apples and oranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by vario
A majority of the associated R&D/manufacturing costs were already paid for with GK110.
There would be absolutely no reason for them to hold back a launch for so long.... which comes back to the "if they could have, they would have."
No, I don't admit it. You should do more reading comprehension and less trolling. Honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
First: I never said Nvidia *had* to order more wafers to release the Titan in Q4 2012. It was just an assumption that there were not enough GK110 GPUs around.
Second: I also never said Nvidia *couldn't* order more wafers. I just said they *didn't*, but not why.
Face it - they could have launched the card a lot earlier. After all, it's just a K20X with higher clocks, and that card was sent to the Titan supercomputer as early as end of September. They shipped tens of thousands of these cards by the end of October.
I think you just have a problem accepting that because you want Nvidia to look bad. Guess what: Nobody here cares about your bias.
What bias? I'm asking for a logical reason they wouldn't have launched Titan or GTX780 in 2012 if everything was ready for launch... Not a one can be given.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
You don't sit on inventory if everything is ready to go for a launch.
I bet they also could have released a 15SMX GeForce and Tesla but didn't... just because.
for me personally its about performance and amd hitting the market with something similar to the titan with a 6 month delay doesnt intrest me one bit but thats just me
Isn't it obvious?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
1. More profit if you sell every GK110 as Tesla instead of GeForce
2. Not cannibalizing sales of the GTX 690
Usually, a GPU has a lifetime of about a year. What sense does it make to release a successor like the GTX 780 too early? Especially when the GK104 parts were all selling very very well. Had AMD had a 30% lead with 7970 GHz, I'm sure Nvidia would have reacted sooner, even if it had meant lower margins. But they were just fine with GK104 and could concentrate on selling every GK110-card for $3000+ instead of just $1000 or even $650.
So-Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
1. Means they don't have enough supply. (can't launch)
2. Isn't logical...
So you are suggesting they cut short their new ASIC's lifetime by holding onto it?
The fact is they launched as soon as they could, relatively, to the consumer market.
1. No. Because we still don't know if it was a deliberate choice not to order more GPUs from TSMC.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Example: Nvidia needs 10,000 GPUs for Tesla and orders 10,000. Because they don't intend to sell them as GeForce yet. They could have ordered 50,000 maybe, but they didn't.
2. Yes, it is. Both cards occupy a spot quite close to one another at the same price point.
We don't know the lifetime of Titan and 780. If both cards live around a year, it's completely normal. I'll leave it at that - if you absolutely need to believe that they couldn't have launched earlier, by all means. It just doesn't make much sense...
Of course you can launch with not enough supply :-) ,they both did it many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
2.Of course its logical, huge ass titan die is much harder to make, the ones they have can be sold as teslas at higher price, theres no imminent competition (thats one similarity with intel situation, which of course was meant to illustrate a simple point, that while you CAN its not always in your best interest,or jus some random board decision,and thats pretty the same).
However you just seem like all know it person, that just "knows bettah".
Anyhow folks, isnt this a hard derail from the topic ?Thats a discussion about TSMC yields of GK110 a year or so ago...
Any news on the R290 pricing yet ?
Anyone have any clue about if a R9 290/290X would be faster than 7850 2GB CF? That is what I am looking at replacing right now.
1. 18,000+ in the Titan Supercomputer, they decided to use them for Tesla over GeForce. AMD releasing ~8,000+ Radeon over Fire Pro. Consider their corporate priorities and you will see AMD focus more on the consumer, nVidia are more split between business/enterprise and the consumer.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
2. Not cannibalising sales of exisitng or upcoming products is very much a logical consideration for any company.
For a good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by vario
Should be in the same ballpark.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathReborn
Can we stop arguing about Nvidia supply in the thread about AMD Volcanic Islands? Thanks.
(Update) AMD Radeon R9 290 series launch postponed
:eek:
Another postponement :shakes:Quote:
It’s not October 15th
Long story short it is not October 15th and the final date has not been disclosed yet. Of course I’m talking about the embargo on the reviews, I’m not sure how is this going to work with so many cards listed at etailer’s websites. You will probably be able to preoder them, but you also will have to wait for the delivery.
So when?
You’ve all seen previous embargo date which has been changed to an unknown date. AMD is yet to decide when the R9 290 series will be announced. It is said that Battlefield 4 launch date is now being discussed. From what I’ve learned AMD did not yet deliver the samples to all major reviewing partners. The rumor has it that AMD has problems delivering units, not only to reviewers but also to etailers offering Battlefield 4 bundle (that would explain why Newegg has not yet started its preoder).
Why delay it?
Other theory is that AMD wants to see what NVIDIA will launch in few days. Although no information has been confirmed yet, I heard that a Ti model is being prepared, probably GTX 770 Ti with 1920 CUDA cores, which would be a gap filler between GTX 770 and GTX 780. There are also rumors about a new TITAN with full GK110 enabled. So which card is NVIDIA going to show (if any?). AMD wants to know that too, so this could’ve been another reason for the postponed launch.
I’m far from making assumptions but this launch is getting little frustrating to follow. We all know how the cards look, we all know the specs. What we don’t know is how do both cards perform and how much will they cost. AMD could, or even should, at least allow reviewers to release the information about the new Hawaii architecture, leaving performance numbers for later date.
What you guys think? What could be any other reason for this delay?
UPDATE
Short after posting this story we received more information. According to it the release date is close to the official launch of Battlefield 4. Although I cannot confirm it (just) yet.
I guess modesty is a virtue in very short supply here these days.
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Thats 2 weeks, just before the premiere ? Sucks balls hard then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
Any reviewer from here can say anything about it ?
Reason bein ?Being full of oneself ;-) .Quote:
For a good reason.
Just for future reference,as its neither the time nor the place for this discussion ,and its pointless really.You do understand that such simple and unexplained "facts" ,are meaningless in the internets?.If you have a good point then you should educate us with this information fully.One liner in this sort of thing will get you nor the discussion nowhere.
The more you know.
:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
The same bias since many years ;)
Lol. I would have to agree. I think Lordecc should be one of the last person to claim no bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
But back to the topic, another 2 week delay is pretty significant and the whole leak a month ago seems leaked on purpose two me. Hurting the sales of the gtx 780 and up for a month and a half is pretty significant.
In addition, if the leaked performance was that of an overclocked cards which seems likely if the card only overclocks to 1100mhz or 1400mhz under ln2, then we have reason to believe it might just match up with a overclocked gtx 780 when both are overclocked.
On another note, I think if AMD does release it at 1000mhz or a bit higher which is close to its overclocking ceiling, it make sense for AMD to clock this cards as high as it commercially because since this product is being released so late into the 28nm life-cycle, it doesn't make sense to release a refresh of hawaii with higher clocks just a few months later to have it replaced by 20nm products. It is still a possibility for Nvidia because the gk110 products have been on the market for a while now.
One of the possibilities that I thought of earlier, was it might be able to reach titan levels of performance but it would be at the cost of clocking the card closer to its ceiling.
Nvidia had to make a huge cut to their clocks because they used a larger die.
I am curious to see when the reviews come out, how much headroom is left in the 290x.
No one is making you guys read my posts, take it or leave it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
I've explained myself multiple times before to the same people and they choose to keep spouting the same BS. It is tiring...Quote:
Originally Posted by vario
I've admitted before that I have a slight bias towards AMD GPUs, that doesn't mean I'm not equally critical of both companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
I've don't see how any of my posts about GK110 is showing any bias. I didn't even talk about AMD. I was discussing the facts at hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
You simply cannot call Hawaii late when consumer GK110 took +8months to hit the market. I simply don't understand how that is being bias.
Bro its not about what you know. Its your attitude.
The bias come forth when your typically optimistic about AMD and pessimistic about Nvidia. I remember you said the 7990 was going to come out shortly after the gtx 690 and that didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
It also relate currently about this topic where it might have been possible for Nvidia to release the gtx 780 release a year ago.
Considering some of AMD's releases recently like its 7990( some rumors were there was like a 1000 cards for launch) or the fx-9590 which were all high priced, extremely low volume parts, I think if Nvidia had wanted to at the time, they could have delivered a volume similar to those products. But they didn't.
One possibly reason which would be reasonable is they simply didn't want to cannibalize their gtx 680.
GTX 680's were still priced closer to 500 dollars at the time and were plentiful and easy for Nvidia to make. What would happen if something like a $650 gtx 780 popped up? Sure they would sell every single one of those cards, lets say 20,000 cards(cards that didnt make k20x) at $650. But the hundreds of thousands of gtx 680 that had no supply issues couldn't be sold for 500 anymore. It wouldn't be a flagship any more and at 650, the gtx 780 would be the better value considering their price difference and performance difference. The pricing of the gtx 780 only makes sense and doesn't cause as much cannibalization when the street price of the gtx 680 falls to 400 or less.
But what your saying LordECC without any proof and just say I know is it couldn't be done. They couldn't release it. If AMD was in the reverse situation, you might take the positive upshot(like the 7990 release).
If you want me to give you an example of this attitude and bias, lets look at Charlie from semiaccurate(don't worry your not this biased). When rx-xxx was leaked he was saying it was the end for Nvidia, they are screwed because of AMD's all new lineup is going to put Nvidia to the curb. He lightly mentions that some of the cards are rebrands but he talks up Hawaii like the second coming of Christ. When he was talking about gk110, he said the performance was underwhelming and underperforming, screaming at the top of his fingers that the gtx 770 was a rebrand. And he completely ignored hawaii is coming 8 months after gk110.
If we look at what AMD is doing with this launch aside from mantle, is releasing their Nvidia equivalent of the 7xx series 8 months later. Its hardly going to screw Nvidia besides put some pressure to lower the price of some of their products to have margins which resemble AMD's, rather than the record margins before this launch.
What I am trying to get at is you resemble to a lesser extent this negative outlook Charlie has. Talking up AMD and putting down Nvidia.
And lets look at the big picture, Hawaii's launch time was needed a long time ago. It was needed because the price of the 7970 and the rest of the lineup has fallen so far to the point AMD was barely breaking even on the graphics card division. Not having a new lineup has depressed the price of Tahiti so much that tahiti cards can be found at half the price of their initial value( and this price drop isn't a result of their own cards). It's coming out 8 months after gk110, and during this time AMD has lost a lot of potential revenue through shrinking margins.
Hawaii is on schedule from a roadmap stand point but late from a financial standpoint because it has caused them to lose a lot of potential revenue.