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Originally Posted by Handrox
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http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1593/gtxtitan65.jpg
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@Tha Last Meal well, they call review. :rofl: Do they fried the VRM Titan who came to them for testing? :ROTF:
Where did you get those from btw?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1362327/v...-previews/1550Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
http://www.overclock.net/t/1362327/v...-previews/1550Quote:
I also have all the images from Guru3D review:
Below is the analysis based on framerate in different games tested by Guru3d at 2560*1600 resolution.
http://www.overclock.net/content/typ.../1000/flags/LL
Nvidia GTX Titan is almost 40% faster than AMD HD 7970 GHz Edition.
It is 55% faster than Nvidia GTX 680 & 11% slower than Nvidia GTX 690
Silly mid range GK104s pretending to be high end all this time, look what happened after AMD fixed their drivers and the real Nvidia high end comes out!
Not sure about them being silly. nVIDIA have been raking it in. Like I said, they know how to run a business.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
and how long have we been waiting for "the real high end" to come out .... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
.... now its here :D then we saw the price :(
^^ Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
If you havnt already seen it, check out this benchmark video for the Titan by Linus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ30Q...layer_embedded
Most amazing benchmark video I've ever seen!
Yea, it has nothing to do with the simple fact that A1 is from the end of December...Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
GK110 was simply never going to be ready until now. If Nvidia could have released this anytime before now they would have.
I don't see shops that sells it yet..
Also I just found out that I cant SLI a 690 with my 680, so if I did want to buy something new, my options would be a second 680, or a Titan and sell my 680.
The second option seems better, but I dont need nor have the cash for it, but maybe in the future.
I heard that sales will start at 2 PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kersh
i Think the review will Begin After less than 3 hours
When you see the AVP Ares result compared to a Titan, damn, still such a long way until a single GPU will get to beat such a beast.
I think AvP is heavily bandwidth dependent. With 512bit and GDDR6 maybe :)
The "real high end" will be availble 11.25 months after the "fake" high end.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Although GTX680 outperformed the 7970 by 10% at launch, NVIDIA should have charged $300 for it, because they had a better part in development that would end up launching a year later.
:shakes:
Rule of teh intarwebz:
If NVIDIA is doing it, their reasons are to steal from you. If AMD does something, they did their "best" and that is "good enough".
:shakes::shakes::shakes:
It's pretty obvious this card wasn't ready a year ago, and that its pricing is due to a. sharing the sales with the much more lucrative professional market b. NVIDIA's deal with TSMC changed and these chips cost more than previous big chips c. AMD has no competitor and won't for 9-12 months.
I won't buy a $1000 video while I currently have two similarly performing $400 cards. But if I was in the market for graphics for my main rig, I'd buy this before any CF/SLi rig. It looks like a good card, the best the world has ever seen.
As consumers we can bemoan the $1000 price tag, but we have no real clue what the reasons are for the pricing. Even worst case scenario "they cost a nickel to make and they forecast sellouts at $1000 each" we can't really say much because there's only one word for a company who would not do the exact same thing: stupid.
Funny, I was thinking: "What, sites still use AvP, Lost Planet and Crysis 2 as benchmarks?" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Florinmocanu
Im wondering if there will be a cheaper 3 Gb version released any time soon? I wouldnt mind one of those for 500-600 GBP and selling my 680.
I doubt it. That would be brand dilution. If there is another GK110 card in the making, it will likely be marketed as something other than TITAN.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/produc...914&subid=1576
839.99 .... Noty :(
Regarding the monitor (refresh rate) overclocking feature of Titan. I just found out that my 120Hz gaming monitor is capable of 129Hz. Anything higher and the monitor notifies me it's out of range. Does anyone here with electronics knowledge know whether this can cause damage, even when the monitor will sync?
827 GBP @ Scan:
http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-...0-(2688-cores)
830 GBP.. man that will boil down to close to 1k€ here.. :stick:
I saw the cards between 1050 and 1100 in spainQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Here in Spain TITAN appeared costing € 1000 VGA Normal that should cost a maximum of € 400-500
It's performing great, there is no doubt about it. But it costs way too much IMO.
If there are people out there paying that amount of money for it, that's how they price ( and will keep pricing ) it.
No matter how much & many people will be posting "very expensive" "too expensive for just 20% more performance in 1080p" etc etc, fact is, if there are 10.000 pieces on the shelves globally, in a month or even less, they will most likely be out of stock.
The market and the consumer can drive the price up or down, and sadly, the consumers base is terrible, as a result... expect the next Titan and why not, even an AMD Radeon RS at $1,200+...
The Titan is not limited to just 10,000 units, that was a sick rumor started on the net that spread like wildfire.
Example...Quote:
Originally Posted by 3lfk1ng
Even if it was limited to 10K units,I bet they would be sold very fast. Some people have money to burn and want the best performance. If it's ok for them(their money) ,why should I complain :).
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6760/n...titan-part-1/2Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Quote:
NVIDIA hasn’t gone into depth for launch quantities, but they did specifically shoot down the 10,000 card rumor; this won’t be a limited run product and we don’t have any reason at this time to believe this will be much different from the GTX 690’s launch (tight at first, but available and increasingly plentiful).
EVGA up to their usual bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: again "Limit 1 GTX TITAN per household".
Exactly, to some folks it simply boils down to this is what they want and they are willing to pay the price for what they want without question.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
To me its not an issue of whether or not I can afford to buy the card, I just can't justify the cost for my personal use.
My only complaint is I haven't seen enough enter to win a free Titan video card contests yet! :D
This sucks, at least for rich people that want 2-3:Quote:
Originally Posted by cx-ray
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product...06G-P4-2790-KR
Also $999.99 = 655 GBP or 758 Euro lol.
We get so ripped off here, and no taxes and all that dont account for this big difference
" but they won’t be able to expose direct voltage control or ship parts with higher voltages. Nor for that matter will they be able to create Titan cards with significantly different designs (i.e. more VRM phases); every Titan card will be a variant on the reference design."
Guess I don't have to worry about waiting for non-reference. If anyone sees them for sale/preorder in USA shops please post it here.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=805...nufacture=eVGA
Wanted in stock so i'm holding out
Unfortunately I'll have to find somewhere that doesn't charge californians tax. I'd rather not throw 2x titans worth of tax away when that will pay for one waterblock.
How long do you think it will be until the factory overclocked boards will become available from EVGA, MSI, ASUS and so on?
TBH unless the AIBs can make unlocked voltage cards, I wouldnt bother waiting for their custom cards for a Titan.
The reference cooler is very good, very quiet and keeps the card cool even when overclocked. Plus it also looks great. The only thing it seems that AIBs can do on their custom designs is change the cooler.
The probelm with past cards like the GTX 680 / 670 is that the reference coolers werent any good for overclocking. Most of the custom design coolers kept GK104s under 70 degrees with no noise.
My reference 680 cooler needs to be set a lot louder to compete with my previous KFA2 EX OC cooler, but the clocks dont decrease until 80 degrees, just the voltage, so I set a custom fan profile to keep the GPU under 80 degrees which is fine.
My oh my.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3lfk1ng
Dude I'm saying I used that number as an example, you know, a fictional number for an example.
I never said that the Titan is a limited quantity product, and of course that rumor has been pulled out of somebody's.... ***hole.
Oh ok, my apologies. I assumed you were asking for a source.
From what I have read Titan could stand to benefit from cooler temps more than earlier GKxxx chips with gpu boost 2.0 putting more emphasis on temps to determine clock speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
The Titan reference cooler is very capable though, I dont think there is much need for a better air cooler, only water if you want to use that.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
NapalmV5, as I said, 1500 MHz is LN2 territory ;)
http://kingpincooling.com/forum/show...4706#post24706
Any US retailer that is "cheap" $999 or less and ships internationally?
Newegg doesn't ship to euro :<
Stock cooler plus Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra thermal paste on die and BAM 10c lower temps. No need for water unless you are rich and value silence or you already have a loop.
I think Fry's ships international, sidewindercomputers.com (carries EVGA gpus), if not a friend over there can ship it to ya.
Wow.
1 Titan = my 3x 480s on that 3DMark score :lol:
-PB
Hmm G3D says it clocks up to 1100 quite easily :D
Feel bad for those people who went out and bought ARES cards too :(
-PB
Nice 480s :p (you mean the 21k score?)
Also, Ares is stupid...7970 cf overclocked to 1200mhz is still much better.
EDIT: yay for double posting xD
Yeh but that translates to 10% increase is in frames so what good is in that?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbagz
Even giant dual GPUs overclock better than that, there's obviously seriously throttling going on, and unless one would remove it, this card is the overclockers' nightmare...
K try to beat this score:Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbagz
http://hwbot.org/submission/2359038_...an_20990_marks
Titan clocked at 1750 / 3400 ... 3400 base ram clock x 4????
1069€ here. This is not a consumer part, it's an elite token.
Like someone who buy a Titan at 1000$ cant afford h2o system lol ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivanlabrie
Cards are not available, but order here 1050.- CHF(Switzerland money ) .. so 1178 $ ... At this price i could nearly buy 3x 7970Ghz ( 417 CHF each without include the games bundles ofc ) or 3x GTX 670 ( 449CHF )
Hardmodded by Tin and ln2 cooled, zombie powered Titan ain't fair :pQuote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
It's a pain in the butt to get it to run like that but beats the crap out of the other single gpus out there.
I still don't see the target market for this thing, more of a bragging rights thing for Nvidia.
Though it has a positive side effect: AMD is now about to release a 7990 card of their own with dual Tahiti XT cores, which would make the thing real cheep. :D
I could save or resell stuff and buy it, but buying a loop for it when it's useless is not a good idea...It will only oc good with hardmods, so what's the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
10c is a bit exagerating. The Titan already uses Shin Etsu on the die and from worst to best in thermal compound shootout, I doubt you will see a 10c spread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivanlabrie
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/...hootout_q209/4 - not even a 10c diff between the best (Shin Etsu G751) and american cheese :D
Omfg, took back the crown already! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
-PB
Lol I just noticed that 'no need for water unless you're rich' comment.
Someone herped and derped :D
Check it: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121724 $999 on the Egg! Limited to one per customer, @#$%!! SHIP MORE FASTER, NVIDIA!!
Also, all of you kids running only one display, DON'T YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT PURCHASING TITAN!! This is a real GPU for real setups such as Nvidia Surround. A GTX Titan is overkill for your pathetic little one-display setup. Stick to your GTX 600 series, and keep the GTX Titan availability open to those of us that run Nvidia Surround. Much obliged!
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...s_com-2888.jpg
Once I went to water I would never go back, I don't really see the point of buying only one titan and I find even the quietest of the new generation of cards on air to be way too loud, so I already know my two titans on air would be way too loud for my ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivanlabrie
For many OC headroom due to reduced temps is the point of water, and noise is the bonus, for me it's the other way around. You get quiet and a nice overclock comes along for free.
Different strokes and all that..
You're talking to someone who tested it on an actual exposed die...I got 15c off from my 670 core temps with it vs the stock tim.Quote:
Originally Posted by StAndrew
Also, I know tons of guys who delid cpus and use that tim on die, makes a big difference. On an ihs not so much ;)
Yeah, for quiet and huge oc, water is really nice. But thing with these Nvidia cards is they only allow a measly 1.2v and 106% power target limit. Vs no voltage control on 6xx series it's a bit better, but you are limited anyway...If you were to mod the card with a higher tdp limit then maybe water would be justified :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mbreslin
2560x1600 is about the same as two 1080p displays! ;) :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
Yes because overclocking from 6ghz to 13.6ghz is going to happen....Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
6.8ghz effective GDDR clock for 327GB/s of bandwidth.
Did you even look at the screenshots?
So how long will this be the fastest GPU chip? I got a feeling in a year a so we'll see the GTX 780 which will be better value for money, but it will still be a bit slower than the Titan. And I don't see a new Maxwell GPU before the end of 2014 at the earliest.
I'm hoping before long we'll have a program like KGB to manually set a voltage we require via a BIOS mod. That was we'll be able to beat the TDP limit set..
If that ever happens, two of these on water will be a very nice addition.
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
It's hightime someone told you what a douchebag you are.
This is nice. It looks very efficient. No huge power surge with OC.
http://i49.tinypic.com/2mw9krc.png
From: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2144/1/
That's because there is a power cap.
What were you expecting when you can only up the TDP limit to 265w?Quote:
Originally Posted by cx-ray
Interesting on G3D's review that the OC Titan is very very close to the stock 690.
-PB
To me it looks like a large clock increase versus power usage. Only 15W extra for 39% higher frequency. I expected the more usual of stock power consumption being relative low (~85%), then increase dramatically with overclocking until it reached the maximum.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
That simply is not possible. What you and the site isn't taking into account is the fact the card isn't running at "stock" speeds when that power measurement was taken, nor do we know what the powerboost settings were for their "stock" speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cx-ray
I think the scariest thing about this card that was revealed recently is that this card isn't limited edition which could have massive price consequences in the future. If this card continues to be sold at 1000 dollars and the price never falls, what we could see happen is a massive price jump next generation in overall prices. The reason for this is we saw what AMD did this generation when they had better performance than Nvidia(pricing a card higher than a gtx 580). They might be in a better position to do it this time because I think the gaming evolved programs is going to increase their presence and marketshare.
Of course I don't think AMD would price their cards at 1000 dollars as that would kill volume but 700 would be possible and the 88x0 series in the 500 range(as Nvidia has done with gk104). Titan makes any future chips look like a value and when Tahiti was released, it was only a good value compared to Nvidia's flagship, it lost in price/performance compared to other cards. If AMD does this again(and it would be stupid not to if a market can support a 1000 dollar card), Nvidia will raise the price stakes as well when their cards come later.
On the other hand, if Nvidia card comes out first, they could again mark up GM104, which will likely perform superior to titan and price it at 700 dollars and thus appear to be a good value. AND again release GM110/100 at 1000 dollars. No way should a none limited edition card come out at 1000 dollars. I would rather Nvidia cripple FP64 performance because this might be a big thing that keeps Titan prices high.
I hope this experiment of Nvidia testing the pricing market fails and we see a much cheaper titan.
If Titan maintains demands for 1000 dollars cards for a significant period of time, then Nvidia will probably raise prices of their Maxwell parts and AMD will follow suit or vice versa.
A price jump is guaranteed next generation if titan succeeds at its current price point. The reason is this, would either company price their cards at 500 dollars, if their cards performed better than Titan which costs $1000 which has sold relatively well even with its crazy price tag.
Titans demand and pricing need to fall to ensure affordable graphic cards in the future.
One word... volume.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
There is a BIG difference in moving millions of cards at <$500 and moving a few ten thousand cards at $1k.
Add in the fact that this card is in a unique situation, which you pointed out, as far as target market; ultra-enthusiast(multi-gpu/multi-monitor) and semi-professional(FP64).
I think of it, as one reviewer mentioned, as a copy of Intel's EE. There really is no point to it's price other than it is the top bin you can get and in Titan's case the cheapest FP64.
Edit- I think as long as Nvidia keeps designing these heavy compute orientated +500mm2 GPUs and AMD concedes/opts out of directly competing with their own large die and/or performance levels, than this Titan niche will be seen from now on.
How can you possibly know this? That is making one big assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Seriously? Child, please. Two displays are for developers, not surround gaming. Surround gaming starts at three displays. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
And DON'T YOU forget it!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Maņo
A GTX 680 isn't even enough for maintaining 60 FPS in the latest games on a single 1080p screen, lots of people would want a Titan for 1080p gaming with the AA cranked up high.
Just look at the Crysis 3 benchmarks.
As I mentioned in my post, of course 1000 dollars won't be supported. However, if Nvidia is able to sell 10's of thousands of 1000 dollar cards, I think that will give a sign to both companies that 699 cards such as the GTX 8800 are realistic again if both companies price their cards as such and don't get into a price war.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Look at the launch price of the 7970( 550 dollars) and the launch price of the 6970(369), prior to this generation, there was at least a significant price/performance advantage of a card vs the original MSRP(not street price because EOL cards are usually on clearance at this point)of their predecessor but with the 7970 series it didn't happen. The only thing that justified the 7970's pricing at the time, especially considering AMD's underdog status was it performed and had better price to performance ratio compared to the gtx 580. Compared to anything else, it lost this metric.
So what happens when AMD's or Nvidia's 20nm cards come out and they beat titan? Are they going to price them at 500 dollars again? I doubt it. I can imagine if these cards are faster/match titan which is a 1000 dollar card, Nvidia/AMD will use this to their advantage to elevate the price of their cards(if titan pricing is still 1000 dollars).
If they show behavior like last round, for sure they are going to raise the price in accordance on how they compare to the top card at the time. It won't be titan expensive but it won't be priced at 500 dollars.
Both companies are trying to inflate prices again. But Nvidia is taking it to new levels with the gtx titan. Since the 8800 series, Nvidia's top shelf card has been big monolithic chips, so why are they charging twice as much as last generation? I think the reason are mainly two fold, to protect the elevated pricing of gk104(which they can pump out in high volume and charge 500 dollars for which they could never do in the past) and because they don't have competition from AMD. Nvidia loves that they can charge 500 dollars for a midsize chip like gk104 dollars. If it wasn't for Tegra being such a financial strain, they would be making record net profits.
Plus they want to perpetuate the idea that gx100 series is some exotic chip that shouldn't be a gaming chip when it performance and past indicate otherwise. By naming gk110 as titan and gk104 as the gtx 680, they reduce performance expectations of what high end is(the improvement between gtx 580 and 680 wasn't impressive for a new node) and turn gk110 performance into a new ultra enthusiast niche to justify its higher pricing. Really all these performance jumps are in line with earlier generation, but marketing and pricing strategy are making pricing jump up everywhere.
GTX 690 and 7970 prices are already going up after the Titan launched. GTX680 prices have also increased slightly.
2 Displays, while not surround came in handy for Supreme Commander. I get the feeling that Tri/Quad SLi Titan's (as would Dual 7990's) will eat 3 monitors for lunch, unless 4K.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
He doesn't know what Supreme Commander is. He only plays console games.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathReborn
i kinda agree with him though. i couldnt see myself using just 2 monitors. my biggest fear is that a window in the game would be cut apart by bezels, and most windows like to come up in the center. i think companies need to support multi monitor better and allow users to shift around those said windows so they never cross bezels. (i could see myself loving a few extra screens for sim city coming out soon)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Maņo
Yeah, well FPS games are not the best candidates for 2 monitor suppport but some other games could certainly use some dev love.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
RTS games, flight sims etc.
For FPS games I'd rather have a single, big screen though.
Why would someone want a bezel in the middle of their field of view? It where your eyes naturally focus. Bezels are best left to a person periphery where they won't notice them as much. Plus monitors are so cheap nowadays that if you can afford two monitors and the videocard to power a surround set up, you can afford a three monitor set up. Or atleast one of those ultra wide displays such as the Dell u2913wm.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Maņo
I don't think any of the genres you listed, would 3 monitors would not be superior to 2 monitors.
You got it all wrong. Using two monitors doesn't mean you have the bezel in the middle of your field of view. Obviously you never played SupCom and you don't know at all what am I talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Someone compared this with Intel's EE processors, but its completely different.
With the EE CPUs, you can still buy a non EE version of the same architecture and overclock it yourself to the exact same speed. With the Titan, there is no lower priced part that can simply be overclocked to match the performance of this card.
Compared to the price of a single I7 990x, I was able to get both an I7 920 and 980 with a few hundred quid change left over, and the latter performs just the same as the 990x.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Obvio...I-331867.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDAA7KNoqecQuote:
Obviously, GeForce GTX Titan Already Scored a Record, 1750 MHz in Quad-SLI
His quad-SLI configuration achieved a record clock speed of 1750 MHz (versus 876 MHz) and scored X18554 points in 3DMark 11 extreme preset (another record).
Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
...but what if next year the Titan turns out to still be competitive with the next gen Maxwell top gaming card? Maybe Nvidia would like to do something similar in the future again and release a "big dawg" GPU card in a 2 year cycle (market conditions permitting). For users who upgrade to the top GPU every year this might not be so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
NVIDIA can't run their business selling $1000 cards, period. Volume isn't there.
They can, and may well, sell their highest end parts for this but you can bet year in year out they'll sell parts at $200/$300/$400/$500 that will be advances over last years similar parts.
They have to, to stay in business. About the only thing to worry about here is now there will be parts out most of us won't buy, so we won't get to feel like the big men on the totem pole anymore.
At least I won't. I can afford these cards, but I'll go back to console gaming before I will.
but i am pretty sure titan will increase 680 and 670 sales too
...and 690 sales. Why spend $1000 when you get get 15% better performance for the same price.
Because it is a single gpu!Quote:
Originally Posted by 3lfk1ng
Heh, Amazon.co.uk just had a couple of mispriced EVGA GTX 690s for ?647.99, I thought about getting one, but the fact that I cant tri SLI it with my current one still put me off.
Then a little while later its back up to ?790.
I'll let k|ingp|n know :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
Uh, no one said anything about two physical displays. You, "child", may want to work on reading comprehension before yelling at people. What was said was about resolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
Urban - what are you on lately? It's not like you to have attitude like this .....
So I can't use a Titan to power my single 27" 120hz screen? Can a single Titan even hold 120hz minimum fps in BF3 on ultra? It would want to at that price, as well as make me coffee while I'm playing .....
:D
3Dmark will like the gpu power anyway
:)
Everything on low. Sure :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Yeah, I know, guys, I'm sorry. I'm just angry that I've missed every single GTX Titan pre-order. They're all sold out now! I still need three, while most of you are just happy with one.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead