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I can't comment on P67 (which is a new and different beast) but, comparing the SATA performance of SB850 to ICH10, they're pretty level. Intel usually wins out on the randoms and AMD wins out on the sequentials. I believe ICH10 is limited on the top end to 600MB/sec on RAID, and I've seen over 1100 on SB850 with 4R0 SSDs. That 1100 seems to be a SB850 limitation, since I see over 1250 easily on an add-in card with the same drives.Quote:
Originally Posted by mak1skav
--Matt
Image analysis of the previous screenshot. I resized it once and saved as jpg at maximum quality, because the server couldn't take 1680x1050.
http://errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/2e2bd22/
Not sure how relevant is this.Quote:
Error level analysis is a quick and easy image forensics method, allowing one to determine if an image has been modified by programs such as Adobe Photoshop.
It works by resaving an image at a known quality, and comparing that to the original image. As a jpeg image is resaved over and over again, its image quality decreases. When we resave an image and compare it to the original, we can guess just how many times the image has been resaved. If an image has not been manipulated, all parts of the image should have been saved an equal amount of times. If parts of the image are from different source files, they may have been saved a number of different times, and thus they will stand out as a different colour in the ELA test.
Pretty clear the windows cpu description was edited, doesn't even show up on the analysis. (besides being a different font and blindingly obvious anyways.)Quote:
Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed
Thanks for these informations mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
What typically makes ICH10R look better than SB850 are burst rates...ICH10 has (random) burst rates like no tomorrow, you might have bursts of 1200+ on just a few HDD's or two SSD's...however SB850 is better sequential.
saw these links at semiaccurate forums, interesting. it seems real
http://www.youtube.com/user/LucasMat.../0/6zK4WAPKNYo
http://www.youtube.com/user/LucasMat.../2/yUWckPBv6Fs
http://www.youtube.com/user/LucasMat.../1/LQWhnGbteIY
Where did the last post go to???
Did anybody get a chance to follow the link?
:confused:
Latest Youtube links
Dang , It's hella fast !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ridney
Now I can't wait to get one ;););)
Man I can't wait to get my hands on one of these!
Whether it beats SB or not, it looks like ALOT of fun to play with...
I'm just guessing here, but I bet these things are going to be OC monsters!
Not that I've done cold, but hopefully they won't be bugged at sub 0.
Guys..if you get one of these in your new system..then i hope to see soon some Chess results from you!
I think the Bulldozer will doing it great with Chess ,and the Chess-world will be happy to have a new super chess moves calculator.
Hope to see a nice compare with the 4 ,6 & 8cores version ,and where they will take place in my list!
JP.
I can't begin imagine how many "leaks" will appear in the coming month prior to BD's launch. I just hope this won't be like in Cayman's case where in the end so many were let down by its performance.(kudos to NV for the 580 being a surprise)
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/b955830...99fd7b328f.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by ridney
All is true ! Zero photopshop's work and I can make a video too !
:rofl:
Well I guess that settles it then, if this and WEI scores are so easy to hack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l...Its-a-Fake.jpg
:p:
he is doing wei simultaneously in one of the videos i dont call it's a fake so easy:D dont know though in sa forums ppl searching his family tree nearly :rofl:
Apparently using this software you can hack the wei score and still remain unchanged after redoing the test. This plus his refusal to show cpuz readings plus what Olivon demonstrated plus no temperature readings for individual cores just like Phenom II and I think it's enough to show it's fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaktus1907
That's because people weren't being realistic, even AMD said it wouldn't break any records, but nobody listened because it wasn't any fun to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by badboy18187
It's more fun to live up there among the little fluffy clouds..
show everyone how to fake this and give us a videoQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
I hate this fakers :(....no, no, until the launch I want not see benchmarks :)
I got other things more interesting to do ...Quote:
Originally Posted by ridney
Use Google and you'll find :yepp:
We're obviously not talking about the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReKcOlNu
Did you read my post? It was about CAYMAN.
Sorry, I got mixed up! :shakes: (post deleted!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
DOESN'T ANYONE STAY ON TOPIC ANYMORE? :ROTF:
Until we get a real leak from a credible person/website,all of this is just BS. But credible sources won't break the NDA,so there won't be real leaks until the launch date...Which is under NDA too :p:
I'm with ya Dave, Can't wait. Feels like it is taking forever for the chip to launch though... time is going so slow. I would like to do some benching on more then chilled water though.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
In this article about BD, the cpuz version is not the most recent one available, so people can use newer ones and it doesnt define them as fake.
However, i think any true leaker with half a brain would give us cinebench or wprime score, or something like that.
Well its faster in that CPU test than my 955-C2 OC'd to 3.75GHz. But the scores max @ 7.9, mine ran 7.4 so it really dosent tell us anything.
Um, when we say fake the test, does that mean its not a BD in the system? That part can be changed?
RussC
so soon but so far away!
I wouldn't trust to much stuff guys other than what frank from cpu-z posted.
Even if someone did leak anything atm I would not call it "accurate" enough performance wise to be able to draw conclusions.
well, if u collect money so i can live the rest of my life w/o work i might break it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by informal
+1 that's what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
They probably couldn't care less what happens if they are compensated well enough.
Which is why the guy used it :rofl: , and probably won't even get into trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by RussC
If it is fake then he did a good job!:clap:
Stupid Windows benchmark...I get same score as you @ 3.4GHz...
X2-550(C2) unlocked to X4-965(3.4GHz)..score: 7.4
2x2GB DDR3-1333 @ 9-9-9-24-30-1T.......score: 7.5
Win7 Ultimate(SP1)
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Originally Posted by w0mbat
yep sure.......so here's how the scenario breaks down, if someone was stupid enough to give you enough money to break it and a company found out about this transaction, ( not hard to track accounts paypal or otherwise )Quote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
They sue you for all of it plus demand more.......
The other rule of being under NDA is that people don't know your under NDA.....those claiming they have parts but are under NDA.....are just trying to look cool.
3.4GHz X6 1090T scores 7.6 (not fake) :)
thats not really true.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
It surely is.Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
Only people that would have silicon atm is partners.
Otherwise it would be some early crap silicon found on black market.
It's very simple logic.
I am not under NDA atm nor do I have silicon and I work close with all parties in question , that should tell the majority of you alot.
well, there are many NDAs that dont tell the signer he cant say hes under a NDA. any at this point there are more samples out than u think. not only partners, but some media guys too.
Most people that are under NDA and are smart do not draw attention to themselves. That means they don't go shouting I have parts but am under NDA......Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
Like i said there are parts out, functional parts. Final silicon though? I tend to doubt that.
i wouldnt call that smart. i really have to hold myself together sometimes. i just love spreading news ;)
You can change CPU-Z's font pretty easily. It's in the config file at the same folder as the cpu-z exe.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gappo
News?Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
There are 2 types of news......
Grocery store checkout magazine racks. ( inquirer )
Actual newspapers. ( new york times )
Most of the stuff in this thread smell's like inquirer to me. ;)
Isn't the launch at E3?Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Theres not final silicon out? Wow, the release is ~3weeks away. I would hope theres final silicon somewhere?
RussC
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Originally Posted by chew*
Most probably a major flaw of the photoshop work if fake:
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...2vkmh40hh7.jpg
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...fbgvv2zk11.jpg
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...z5293nk0rk.jpg
The so called "true" ss:
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0032131.png
Yeah, good point. Well I guess is just one of the problems of the internet. June can't come soon enough, I may have to disconnect my connection for a couple weeks. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
If AMD doesn't have final silicon out by now, then I doubt we would be looking at any kind of June timetable for a launch. I'm pretty sure they have final silicon out by now. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
What chew* said are partners / secret others do not have final silicon. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist internally.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
Final silicon in endusers hands? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
I never said they did not have final silicon.......
If partners, is mobo makers, oem ,developers, server guys, than yea, partnes should suffice.This leaves out only media really, which dosnt need to have final silicon yet.
"i wouldnt call that smart. i really have to hold myself together sometimes. i just love spreading news "
Than spread em man :) .register somewhere under weird nickname, do cpuz plus cinebench and make us all happy :)
Really 3 weeks hard launch?Quote:
Originally Posted by RussC
So AMD is going to release a cpu they claim only will be officially supported by 990 chipset when no boards are out or ready for market?
I'm sure we would see board leaks with current cpu's......at the very minimum.
AMD made it quite clear that any support on older boards they have nothing to do with.
If saying you are under NDA breaks the NDA, and you are saying you aren't under NDA...does that mean you are under NDA (really)?Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Also maybe you don't have silicon because OMG ITS GRAPHENE INSTEAD!!! EVERYBODY GO MENTAL AMD IS BACK. :rofl:
If you are respectfull to the NDA, the companies will treat you alike... break the rules and you might loose the support you have been building up for years... for what ? Bragging rights ? Look mum I have one... nah...Quote:
Originally Posted by XRL8
Good point, but there seems to be unamimous consent that BD release is between June7 to the 15th, in or around CBit. If thats wrong, then thats going against all we know so far. Will it be a announced release with no silicon...that would really suck also. We know with some non-fake screenies from China that 990 boards do exist. It possible also they will have silicon out w/o 990 release for the current AM3+ MB's? Thats pure speculation on my part.
I believe there won't be a large performance hit with BD running in AM3+ current crop of MB's!
RussC
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Originally Posted by chew*
Certainly had me chuckling.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbo75
I just think people projections are off. 2-3 weeks hardlaunch? Doubt it.
Nothing we have see adds up to that type of launch date.
Usually I would have silicon sometimes a month before.........
Then we would see board leaks....with older cpu parts..
Then we would see coolaler forums claim WR's on unreleased hardware and violate NDA doing so.....
Then we would see actual hardware leaks in china, japan, taiwan for sale early.......
I agree, there's no way BD is hard launching in June, the leaks are just too spotty. It's going to be mad for the next few weeks though, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Damn that really sucks for AMD if they won't release BD in June. I guess too many sites were saying that June was the expected release month. I have a feeling people are tired of waiting and will just get SB.
i am still thinking we will be able to order chips before the end of june :) people are projecting a delay off the fact there is no leaks? despite amds recent launch history? :)
Touche Sir...:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
3 weeks? Hmmm...Try 3 MONTHS, that's more like it...
And the saga continues! The Mystical BullDozer, where the hell is this thing? I have been waiting almost 4 YEARS NOW to buiold a Dual Socket Server set up based off of Bulldozer. My Final D.F.I AMD Board started taking a crap about 2 months ago, and I was just recently forced to upgrade my Server to a SuperMicro Intel X8SAX SOCKET 1366 Intel set up. Blasphemy, I know but I just could not wait any longer for the obvious reasons already mentioned.
Could not swing the Money for a Dual Socket AMD G34 Supermicro board and the single socket AMD Supermicro boards are all gimped for PCI-E bandwidth as I need the X8 slot to run at X8 for my Areca 1231ML Raid Controller Data Bandwith transfer speeds to me are paramount and I'll be damned if X4 PCI-E is what I will settle for on a server board with a $1000.00 Raid Controller. Also another negative attribute on the AMD G34 Single socket boards by supermicro is there is only 2 USB Ports ...WTF is up with that on a workstation board.
so I am currently running a X58 Chipset with a i7-950 and do not think that highly of it!
Wasting my first post on this but w/e.
You guys assume BD won't be out soon because there are no leaks (at least leaks not labeled as fake) but at the same time there are no Llano leaks either and yet we know it's shipping since march 31.
Another point that has to be made is that the most recent official statement about BD is this:
"David Wong - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC : Okay, great. And when you expect to bring Bulldozer platforms out at the end of the summer, do desktop and server platforms come out at about the same time? Or does server come out later than desktop?
Richard Bergman: So in the last call, we indicated early summer for desktops and late summer for servers. And that's still where we're at."
quote from Q1 2011 Earnings Call April 21 http://seekingalpha.com/article/2649...ipt?part=qanda
The quote is pretty recent and every leak we've seen about the launch date was saying june 7,guess it could be a paper launch with parts hitting the stores 2-3 weeks later but any further delays would be surprising.
End of June hardlaunch would not be unrealistic imho, early june however would be surprising.
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
So the prevailing sense is that June is a tight timeframe for AMD to actually be pushing BD out into the world?
Is people forgetting that AMD will have key note in E3 this year in June 7? And with it a possible launch for BD!!
If I had to guess, I'd expect a hard launch of the 9xx series chipsets early june, a hard launch of Llano and FM1 chipsets, as well as a paper launch of Bulldozer in mid-june, with actual bulldozer hardware available at the end of the month/early july.
Just speculation.
Llano is a hard launch for sure, in fact it's shaping up to be one of AMD's biggest launches yet. That's another reason why I think BD isn't as imminent as most of us are hoping for.
Aaaaahhh.... That's the way we get leaks.... !Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
The only thought that comes in mind, AMD has cracked this leak path and took the preventive measures... The result - you don't have silicon sometimes a month before :D
That's what I am waiting ;);):DQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Heh, Iv'e never been a leak source. Fairly certain that's not the reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEA
Must be nice to have such privy info that many are tearing their hair out to know :D
soooooooo wrong :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RussC
more :banana::banana::banana::banana: for you guys. this one supposedly came from the channel guys, so might be more reliable.
but again the original source is PCOnline (not Chiphell), so all bets are off.
Red text below says volume shipping starts June 20-24. So July hard launch.
http://i.imgur.com/S3YHs.jpg
3.6 Ghz - 3.2 Ghz does not equal 500 Mhz.
I think they're referring to full number of cores turboing in the range. 500Mhz is the max you can get for 1 core however.
That's the reason for the difference between the 8110 and 8130P (expected the difference to be a bit more though)
For the 4110 there's only 2 modules with 95W so it seems that it definitely is possible, so they can advertise as such. Others, might not be worth it to turbo 2 seconds then throttle back.
ummmmm, FX4110 is 4.0ghz turbo core, i5 2500 is 3.7ghz in turbo.
It mentioned FX4110 > 2500, so the performance at same frequency maybe at least equal.
If the 8130P has the same base clockspeed than the 8110 then we know what cpu not to buy. At least if you care about $$$.
http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewto...8556&start=150
Looks like someone at least has one.
AMD really needs to get a release date out on this socket.
The longer we have no info, the more worried I get.
I guess by the above chart, the quadcore will OC higher than the octo-core since it has a higher set stock clock speed? I know I'm just guess, but I'm curious.
I really want to see some hard numbers on these things. Every bit of info about launch and comparison to In*** has been hear say, at least from what I've seen.
yesQuote:
Originally Posted by thematrixhazune
and that could be a crosshair V ; the logos on the box are different from the crosshair IV (it seems 1 amd fx red logo and also a sli logo)
oh, so i should tell my colleagues to stop plannig the pr-event here in munich? seems they are way ahead of your schedule :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by nex_73
and take back the samples they send out to the press too?
We were clearly told by John that 500Mhz is MAX for all cores active for server chips(including 16 core ones).
OMG it must be bulldozer and CH V.........Quote:
Originally Posted by thematrixhazune
Actually its CH IV with the I covered and an empty box...........
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...d_IMG_3733.jpg
I went through the web found that the information above is too OLD.:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/St...=2&frt=2&off=1
http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showpos...&postcount=142
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
since when does the CH IV have SLI?
My meaining is, we will see gradual launch, simillary, as it was with Spider platform (first chipset and boards, then CPUs). But of course, your estimation could be right (gradual launch from Computex time to the paperlaunch CPUs and sometimes later available)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
And video quide for changing x6 1100t to FX 6110 or maybe some 16-core Interlagos or 50 GHZ nPhenom :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fBm7...er_profilepage
Il waiting really for launch....
Since AMD 3D records required it and lucid sux I have always had SLi on ch IVQuote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
The missing logo on box never stopped me...........I will stick a SLi sticker on my box to make you happy ;)
i mean, on the pic u say its fake, is a sli logo on the box.
I never said it was a fake, I just simply implied that stuff like that can easily be faked like much of the crud in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
And anyone claiming to have parts but be under NDA is just trying to gain internet popularity points / e-peen status......or site hits.
It's very simple, before thuban launch did i claim to have every board under the sun plus thuban + a live event for AMD with live LHE benching?
No. I kept my mouth shut like i was supposed to.
Uhm, companies dont need to know that its U that broke them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I didnt suggest anyone should leak a score giving full adress with corresponding credentials...
But i guess nowadays if people cant have bragging rights ,they dont give a :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
Anyways late June launch was pretty certain few months ago when they said production april/may and launch in summer.
Good find. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by undone
Those are probably uncertainities regarding final clocks. The 500mhz boost is for all cores active, as we already know. Everything there looks reasonable, the prices too.
At PCGH they also get an ASUS SLI MB + Bulldozer CPU ,
so seems to be real.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,82...Webseite/News/
Picture 5
We just had a page and a half discussion about this. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sch0cK
Give em a break, I'm sure some people wet their pants at such news and had to share with the rest of the internets :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Correction... they DON't have 1 chip...
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,82...18694&vollbild
There's this picture where they are being rather cheeky... :shakes: Man is that pissing me off...
Then again... the picture is too small for me to zoom and read what's on the sticker... some detail is there but not legible :P
EDIT: I just hope there's some lad/ lass who's able to enhance the image and capture some info from the sticker on the box...
those don't appear to be wide enough to hold a proccessor
Nopes... they're holding CPU's/ APU's... which ones... well, someone's got to have to get hold of a bigger picture, or enhance and read what it says on the stickers... They could be Llano (yay)/ BD (yay), or bugger, plain old thuban? then again, why would they send chips from a range that is to be stopped soon :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by stangracin3
Yeah... those things can only hold 938 pin CPUs. 942 pins? You're SOL. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by stangracin3
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/..._DSC5007sm.jpg
http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/2011/05...im-uz-vse.html
hope its not too old
Google Chrome translation:Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
"What's in the green box? - Processors from AMD designed the NDA and a very very long time! And next month ... :) Nice consumption at rest, in the load it had such fame is not, but given the number of cores and capabilities, it could wait. Significantly increased memory bandwidth, the Sandy's but far from being, Bridge run is still leaps and bounds. CPU works great on my Gigabyte board, including Turbo! Support in the BIOS! The performance will not say anything .... I can not. Bye, bye ... info will gradually dropping ...
PS. If someone appears on screen CPUz where some value HTT, it's fake. As I showed you the slide before the time of that HTT is at the chip other than the Phenom II. System works differently with it, otherwise it derives its frequency. Anyway, this logo CPUz got me, he looks like a pilgrimage ...Launch date - 11.6.2011"
All 40 pages:D
Just wait and save some dough...It will be on Newegg lists soon:up:
In the meantime, just play with what available at retail...end of story for now:)
I see online translators completely suck at slovenian or whatever this isQuote:
Originally Posted by richierich
What does this mean :shrug:Nice consumption at rest, in the load it had such fame is not, but given the number of cores and capabilities, it could wait.
Nice consumption except at load but given nr. of cores and capabilities it could ?
And this?
Significantly increased memory bandwidth, the Sandy's but far from being, Bridge run is still leaps and bounds.
Significantly increased mem bandwith but Sandy Bridge is still better by leaps and bounds?
Maybe some native speaker can clear this up.