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Whats the word on this when even at defaults loaded in Bios with Cool & Quiet = Enabled CPUZ does not show Cool & Quiet working and consistently staying at 2300MHZ Clock Speed and voltage is consistant with 2300mhz clock speed in Both CPUZ & SG? Signs of dying chip>>?????? Anyone else see this show its head?
1066 Divider in Bios for this Ram is NO-GO:down: Tried everything through Voltage High and low all trfc settings for all dimms at once higher trc Values NO-Dice this Ram will not work on this 1066 divider and is consistent with 3 different Bios Version too!
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Announcement:......... We all need to comprise a List of whats working with Phenom Processors with the 1066 Divider set in Bios! ......We also need to Band together and comprise A Methodical Overclocking Approach of DO's & Don'ts for this Board with Phenom Processors in Addition to a List of Fully Compatible 2gb & 4gb Ram Kits that will run @1066mhz through Bios.
I believe that this is a necessary evil and should be comprised for all to use especially for new comers to the Phenom Architecture so they don't destroy their IMC or Board due to lack of knowledge or just being a Meat Head with their approach to overclocking in general let alone throwing a very Complex Phenom into the equation:yepp:
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Brother Esau
Whats the word on this when even at defaults loaded in Bios with Cool & Quiet = Enabled CPUZ does not show Cool & Quiet working and consistently staying at 2300MHZ Clock Speed and voltage is consistant with 2300mhz clock speed in Both CPUZ & SG? Signs of dying chip>>?????? Anyone else see this show its head?
For CnQ to work you need the phenom drivers for winxp (no need under vista), CPU and NB voltages and "CnQ" must be set to "AUTO". Then choose the proper windows energy profile and the frequency should drop to 1.15GHz at ~1.05V.
Of course you can tweak the two p-states as described at page #24 here.
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Brother,
Do these have something to do with setting to higher then DDR2800?
Sorry I have DDR800 and a X2 so I can't tell you for sure & a M2RS 3/10/08 Bios:
http://api.photoshop.com/home_6c95c1...79cc5fc4458a45
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AMD Cool & Quiet ...Update:......OK gents found out what the Issue was with CPUZ , SG , Everest all showing clock frequency and voltage @2300mhz while Cool & Quiet was Enabled in Bios @ Optimized Defaults......It appears that when I installed the AMD Power Monitor Utility yesterday Evening it was reading the wrong values so I set Power scheme to (High Performance) and it still showed the same Frequency Attributes Irregardless :rolleyes: Guess its a Vista /Software Issue.......Big surprise!!! :p: So I figured I would Uninstall it due to the Fact that it does not register the values correctly .......So I guess by Now its Apparent that I did not set the Power Scheme to (Balanced) Prior to uninstalling it:D :slapass: :owned:
So I have reinstalled it and low and behold Power Scheme is still at (High Performance):D and have now set it to (Balanced) and Houston we have lift off......All Systems ...Normal:p: :clap: :clap:
The Ram Issue is Pending and don't expect that to change until changing out Ram Sticks!:yepp:
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a well Brother Esau, i got the same problem with the phenom 9600 BE that i can't set my 2gb OCZ Flex XLC (PC2 9200) at 1066 it will just not boot,
800 works though but isn't stable
Still working on 667mhz :( but it works so i'm just waiting for a better bios.
still on bios 11/22/07
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hive
a well Brother Esau, i got the same problem with the phenom 9600 BE that i can't set my 2gb OCZ Flex XLC (PC2 9200) at 1066 it will just not boot,
800 works though but isn't stable
Still working on 667mhz :( but it works so i'm just waiting for a better bios.
still on bios 11/22/07
So the MSI board and I know the Gigabyte boards have the same problems with 1066.
Have you all tried the new bios?
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Brother Esau
1066 Divider in Bios for this Ram is NO-GO:down: Tried everything through Voltage High and low all trfc settings for all dimms at once higher trc Values NO-Dice this Ram will not work on this 1066 divider and is consistent with 3 different Bios Version too!
I have 2x1GB SuperTalent T1000 and it's working fine with 1066 divider. I was able to push them to 1200MHz (225MHz FSB with 1066 div.) with the latest BETA BIOS. :)
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aGeoM
:confused: ok, I give up. I was lucky not melting the board when I did 2900Mhz @1.53v :rofl:
You really can't expect any IC which is above 20W TDP max to run cool on air with that voltage now, can you? :)
Yep, it'll be idling (no CnQ) above 45C alone.
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KTE, OCing in my point of view, isn't lowering nothing, more CPU/NB/HT/MEM MHz @ the most stable configs, finding the balance (G spot :D ) it's my gold, for 24/7 use and smooth as silk gaming.
Same here but that's different to how you find the max oc for a CPU. I work backwards from max to find max stable ;)
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That's why I'm a litlle frustraded with DFI compared with ASUS/MSI, she's cold like Artic waters, maybe that's why I'm getting so low temps. :rofl:
The board makes the CPU cool? :confused:
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justapost
For CnQ to work you need the phenom drivers for winxp (no need under vista), CPU and NB voltages and "CnQ" must be set to "AUTO". Then choose the proper windows energy profile and the frequency should drop to 1.15GHz at ~1.05V.
This is a board limitation I guess, since your boards alter the VID and changing VID means CnQ won't work (won't drop). If you're using boards which change volts only, CnQ should work with any voltage as long as you set default VID. :yepp:
Undersea: MSI 790FX and GBT 790FX/X run 1066 mode fine for a while now. ;)
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Oese
hehe gratz...:D
Oli, the Bird is in the Air:D You've got PM Brother;) Check you're Email & Pay Slut:D Account too please.
Cam;)
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Undersea: MSI 790FX and GBT 790FX/X run 1066 mode fine for a while now. ;)
Fifty lashes for me :) I promise when I get my Phenom I will re-read that monster thread.
So when do we see some benchies Brother?
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Sorry man just moved back to the East Coast , 2 months ago been in my new place 1 month cats been sick Bios Website to get Designed and Built just allot of Sh**t to do in general:(
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Brother Esau
Sorry man just moved back to the East Coast , 2 months ago been in my new place 1 month cats been sick Bios Website to get Designed and Built just allot of Sh**t to do in general:(
No problem. I've waited this long I can wait a little longer. Man I can't wait to get a phenom.
Where you at? I'm in Jersey.
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Undersea
No problem. I've waited this long I can wait a little longer. Man I can't wait to get a phenom.
Where you at? I'm in Jersey.
New Jersey heh??;) Oddly enough I am New Jersey Born & Raised and grew up in Tinton Falls next to Red Bank Exit 109 OFF the Parkway:up: Live in Wilmington, NC now and very happy to be back home on the East Coast after 5 long years and I lived in Wilmington North Carolina 7 years ago and its really nice down here and I am glad to be back:yepp:
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Brother Esau
Oli, the Bird is in the Air:D You've got PM Brother;) Check you're Email & Pay Slut:D Account too please.
Cam;)
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
hehe found it both thank you.. i hope there's some tests at my house next weekend under water cooling with that great chip :D :D :D :D
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Having four WD 500GB RE2 hd's here atm so it was time to try a raid0 with them.
Results:
Old Raid-Drivers (07/07)
http://www.abload.de/thumb/hdtach-raid0-4-500gbua2.jpg
http://www.abload.de/thumb/hdtune-raid0-4-500gbuhg.jpg
HDTach:
Burst: 227.3 MB/s
Rand. Access: 12.9ms
Avrg. Read: 140.3MB/s
HDTune:
Burst: 108.4MB/s
Rand. Access: 11.2ms
Avrg. Read: 146.4MB/s
F6 Raid-Drivers (08/07)
http://www.abload.de/thumb/hdtach-raid0-4-500gbeoh.jpg
http://www.abload.de/thumb/hdtune-raid0-4-500gbn0z.jpg
HDTach:
Burst: 246.4 MB/s
Rand. Access: 13.0ms
Avrg. Read: 150.7MB/s
HDTune:
Burst: 113.6MB/s
Rand. Access: 11.1ms
Avrg. Read: 153.9MB/s
EDIT: Also i inspected the F3xA0 PCI register which holds the information in bit 29 which voltage mode is used (1 = slam mode, 0 = step mode).
I expected step mode in CnQ but it is also slam mode here.
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150mb/s :eek:
you guys use vista or xp?? wonder if raid would work like that here as well.. THAT would be NICE :D
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1066 booting.
Now i just spoke with my good friend Gary who is a little more upto date with phenom testing that i am regarding booting at 1066.
he explained the new bios files for the MSI, GBT and Asus allow 1066 to work easier that the DFI, this does not mean it won't work though.
I asked if tRFC at 195 was needed...it's a MUST setting
I asked if tricking the board with timing and voltage before speed helped...seems it is needed in some cases..Like with the DFI.
I asked what timings did you have to run, he quoted the 6's (i thought it would be), so try 6-6-6-18 or 5-6-6-18
So if you are looking to test whether 1066 works, go to 2 dimms only, set 6-6-6-18 tRFC to 195, relax the subs and set 2.0V...this all at DDR800. Reboot,
Go back to bios and set 1066, and try to boot again.
I am trying to get a 9850BE to resume testing, when it arrives i will post how and if I get it working.
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God Bless ya Tony :clap: Good to see you and thank you for your continued assistance :clap: :clap: :clap: :up:
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Tony
Now i just spoke with my good friend Gary who is a little more upto date with phenom testing that i am regarding booting at 1066.
he explained the new bios files for the MSI, GBT and Asus allow 1066 to work easier that the DFI, this does not mean it won't work though.
I asked if tRFC at 195 was needed...it's a MUST setting
I asked if tricking the board with timing and voltage before speed helped...seems it is needed in some cases..Like with the DFI.
I asked what timings did you have to run, he quoted the 6's (i thought it would be), so try 6-6-6-18 or 5-6-6-18
So if you are looking to test whether 1066 works, go to 2 dimms only, set 6-6-6-18 tRFC to 195, relax the subs and set 2.0V...this all at DDR800. Reboot,
Go back to bios and set 1066, and try to boot again.
I am trying to get a 9850BE to resume testing, when it arrives i will post how and if I get it working.
Negative Houston!:(
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Ok I am going to give this rig another shot, after two bad bios chips on the board. I have read a ton of things about how the general population is stuck at 2.7ghz, but then I read some stopping around 2.9-3.0. I have read something about the northbridge speed being a limiter? Its the stuff in my sig, I have it in my basement where the ambient is about 18C, and I have tons of air flow in my case. I had my 5000x2 BE running at 1.60v and still under 60C at full orthos load.
So what I am wondering is what are the basic bios settings I need to be looking at beyond fsb/voltage/memory timings. I have heard about this nb speed or nb multiplier?? What other things do I need to consider that I didn't have to with my old X2/590sli setup?
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lemans81
Ok I am going to give this rig another shot, after two bad bios chips on the board. I have read a ton of things about how the general population is stuck at 2.7ghz, but then I read some stopping around 2.9-3.0. I have read something about the northbridge speed being a limiter? Its the stuff in my sig, I have it in my basement where the ambient is about 18C, and I have tons of air flow in my case. I had my 5000x2 BE running at 1.60v and still under 60C at full orthos load.
So what I am wondering is what are the basic bios settings I need to be looking at beyond fsb/voltage/memory timings. I have heard about this nb speed or nb multiplier?? What other things do I need to consider that I didn't have to with my old X2/590sli setup?
Hahaha .........Not as easy as that my friend you are going to have to re learn AMD Overclocking now that you are on K10 that is a must and you cant get around it!....Start Here and re read it a few times and be patient ........DFI UT 790FX-M2R / Phenom Overclocking
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*NEW* DFI UT 790FX-M2R ~ 3/31/2008 Beta Bios.............http://us.dfi.com.tw/Support/Downloa...FLAG=B&SITE=US
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Yea, I agree with Tony to some extent. DFI had more trouble running 1066 than ther boards but they can run it and a few other boards can run it with ease at 4-5-5-15-11, and if not, then certainly 5-5-5-15-14.
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I think its a incompatibility issue with these sticks on that level (Bios) because others are running the 1066 divider just fine in this thread with Phenom so I know the board can do it;)
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Brother Esau
Thx bro,
Flashed it with winflash 1.92 from 3-07.
- NB multi can only be choosen if CnQ is disabled, so CnQ tweaking can only be used with an 9x multi.
- Raid Performance is equal with 3-07 for Raid0 and Raid10 performance gives me ~10MB/s better burst now (HD-Tach).
- Can not even get 250MHZ ref HT bootable with the settings i used for max 285MHz on 3-07
So I flashed back to 3-07 and now 280MHz are possible again. One note that ref HTT only works with mem in 800 mode, 667 results in C1.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cpuz285f9c.jpg
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Oese
150mb/s :eek:
you guys use vista or xp?? wonder if raid would work like that here as well.. THAT would be NICE :D
Why not it's pretty cpu independant. :)
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Final8ty
Thank you for sharing your results, we get very similar results with w2k and vista64
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Tony
Now i just spoke with my good friend Gary who is a little more upto date with phenom testing that i am regarding booting at 1066.
he explained the new bios files for the MSI, GBT and Asus allow 1066 to work easier that the DFI, this does not mean it won't work though.
I asked if tRFC at 195 was needed...it's a MUST setting
I asked if tricking the board with timing and voltage before speed helped...seems it is needed in some cases..Like with the DFI.
I asked what timings did you have to run, he quoted the 6's (i thought it would be), so try 6-6-6-18 or 5-6-6-18
So if you are looking to test whether 1066 works, go to 2 dimms only, set 6-6-6-18 tRFC to 195, relax the subs and set 2.0V...this all at DDR800. Reboot,
Go back to bios and set 1066, and try to boot again.
I am trying to get a 9850BE to resume testing, when it arrives i will post how and if I get it working.
Strange, 1066 works fine even with 75ns RFC's. Also if you change the mode from 800 to 1066 the memory timings get lost.
Looking out for your 9850BE testings. :up:
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Guys if you must play you have to change byte9 to 17 in the SPD, and remember to correct the checksum.
others are doing 1066 as they have true 1066 rated dimms, we have been shipping 1066 since december also so if you have earlier ram you are going to need to set the voltage first before you apply the speed.
Also you really do need to look at 6-6-6-18 timings to start, I had a ton of issues getting 1066 with only the GBT board doing it really easy thru EPP.
so byte 9 to 17, correct checksum and flash, this sets default speed to 1066 on the ram
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KTE
You really can't expect any IC which is above 20W TDP max to run cool on air with that voltage now, can you? :)
Yep, it'll be idling (no CnQ) above 45C alone.
KTE..., my friend..., I never doubted about your knowledge, far superior and wider than mine, if you said so, I believe in you and learning from you. But I have the feeling that you are missing the ability of the HS to absorb/dissipate the heat, and cooling the IHS on your equation.;)
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Same here but that's different to how you find the max oc for a CPU. I work backwards from max to find max stable ;)
Me too, but for all system, not only the CPU.
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The board makes the CPU cool? :confused:
:p: Was trying to make a joke, since I haven't realize if I found the "G-Spot" on DFI for be so "cold". ;) Sorry for my "Beach" English, only 2 years English on High School, ages ago. :)
Now, seriously I just order an 9850BE for 199 euros, expect to arrive by the end of next week. It's available in Germany since yesterday.
:toast:
Edit: Just saw my hwbot rank. :rofl:
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justapost
Thx bro,
Flashed it with winflash 1.92 from 3-07.
- NB multi can only be choosen if CnQ is disabled, so CnQ tweaking can only be used with an 9x multi.
- Raid Performance is equal with 3-07 for Raid0 and Raid10 performance gives me ~10MB/s better burst now (HD-Tach).
- Can not even get 250MHZ ref HT bootable with the settings i used for max 285MHz on 3-07
So I flashed back to 3-07 and now 280MHz are possible again. One note that ref HTT only works with mem in 800 mode, 667 results in C1.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cpuz285f9c.jpg
I am really starting to wonder if Oskar is training apprentices for his Bios Team and giving them the AMD 790 Bios as practice:rolleyes: (Not Kidding!)
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Brother Esau
I am really starting to wonder if Oskar is training apprentices for his Bios Team and giving them the AMD 790 Bios as practice:rolleyes: (Not Kidding!)
Maybe he cud ask for some NEO's help :yepp: , NEO have been doing a great job for NF2/NF4 DFI boards at DFI Club.
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Tony
Guys if you must play you have to change byte9 to 17 in the SPD, and remember to correct the checksum.
others are doing 1066 as they have true 1066 rated dimms, we have been shipping 1066 since december also so if you have earlier ram you are going to need to set the voltage first before you apply the speed.
Also you really do need to look at 6-6-6-18 timings to start, I had a ton of issues getting 1066 with only the GBT board doing it really easy thru EPP.
so byte 9 to 17, correct checksum and flash, this sets default speed to 1066 on the ram
If thats the case why not give me a Updated SPD File for my FLEX 9200:confused:
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The beta bios should fix temperature readings in the first place, have not tried the previous beta to see how much ref HT it gives. 275MHz ref HT primed here for ~ 2hrs (550MHz 4-4-4-12-26 at 2.26V (min)) then the system froze but i was at 2.61GHz with only 1.375V. So I'll try it in small steps with a 10x cpu multi starting at 260MHz.
Question: I downloaded Taiphoon and looked on my crucial dimm's. With that tool i see three different profiles for 200, 333 and 400MHz. CPU-Z shows two JEDEC profiles (333,400) and two EPP (400,533).
Is there a tool for modifying that 533-EPP profile in a way that it will support better that 4-5-5-16 timings at 533?
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Brother Esau
If thats the case why not give me a Updated SPD File for my FLEX 9200:confused:
because it may not work on your memory...plus its out side of warranty.
its so easy to set that byte, just get the cursor over the byte and type 17, then go to Edit> fix checksum and its ready to flash
I am sure you could do this for yourself
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Hey , Achmin:) the 3/07/2008 Bios threw my Temp Readings way out of whack and reinstalled 1/30/2008 for that reason.
The 3/12/08 Beta Bios is very good for my 6400+ BE and very stable but with Phenom installed it was quirky for me and the Damn USB Keyboard would freeze in Bios allot and more than normal and also some instances at Random Just disabling C&Q in Bios would result in a NO Boot situation , also some tiems loading defaults would do the same:confused: so I un installed 3/12/08 for those reasons but before with my 6400+ BE i could not say enough positive things about that Beta Release:yepp: I see that the consensus with 790 Chipset Bios is correct .....Its a very fine line to balance for K8 -K10:rolleyes:
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Tony
because it may not work on your memory...plus its out side of warranty.
its so easy to set that byte, just get the cursor over the byte and type 17, then go to Edit> fix checksum and its ready to flash
I am sure you could do this for yourself
Maybe I am thick on this one but I don't see a byte (9) at all could you please give me a example of what you mean Tony?
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You don't need it, I have 4x1GB dimms at 1066 loading vista. it looks like there are a few factors at work here.
1 The CPU's MCH has to be able to do it
2 The bios needs the right code
3 Vdimm looks to be around 1.9 to 2V
4 Drive strengths
I have not changed byte 9 on this test and im doing 1066, I will test with micron dimms also soon.
regards byte 9 its the option for max speed supported at CL...NOT CL-1 etc.
you have 667 set or 800, you have to change the byte its self to 17 as the drop down does not have the correct option for 533 ;)
Byte top left is 0 count to the right till you hit 9 and stop, yours is 30, change it to 17. Then hit edit and fix checksum, then hit open,write, and flash the modules.
Do this and you have no warranty, if the dimms fail to boot in any board after this you are on your own ;)
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Hey , Achmin:) the 3/07/2008 Bios threw my Temp Readings way out of whack and reinstalled 1/30/2008 for that reason.
Running that atm.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cpuz260x10om2.jpg
I assume ~55°C real CPU temp. The reading is not that bad.
Had those really odd readings with my 9500 and shipped sapphire bios on the first day (cpu stopped working few hours later).
http://www.abload.de/thumb/250hot4g4k.jpg
03/07/2008 does a very good job with the ref HT here, so i'll stay with that version.
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Brother Esau
The 3/12/08 Beta Bios is very good for my 6400+ BE and very stable but with Phenom installed it was quirky for me and the Damn USB Keyboard would freeze in Bios allot and more than normal and also some instances at Random Just disabling C&Q in Bios would result in a NO Boot situation , also some tiems loading defaults would do the same:confused: so I un installed 3/12/08 for those reasons but before with my 6400+ BE i could not say enough positive things about that Beta Release:yepp: I see that the consensus with 790 Chipset Bios is correct .....Its a very fine line to balance for K8 -K10:rolleyes:
That does not sound promising but i'm curious about how it will handle high ref HT's.
Max I could get on the M3A was ~272MHz but that was far from stable, so i'm quite happy with ~285MHz max here atm. ;)
286MHz is no go area atm, even with relaxed memory timings, high RFC's and weak mode. system gets stuck at post code 43.
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1066 done...hard work with this early B2 though
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rrrrrgh need trc > 26 too, but with 800divisor....
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Tony
You don't need it, I have 4x1GB dimms at 1066 loading vista. it looks like there are a few factors at work here.
1 The CPU's MCH has to be able to do it
2 The bios needs the right code
3 Vdimm looks to be around 1.9 to 2V
4 Drive strengths
I have not changed byte 9 on this test and im doing 1066, I will test with micron dimms also soon.
regards byte 9 its the option for max speed supported at CL...NOT CL-1 etc.
you have 667 set or 800, you have to change the byte its self to 17 as the drop down does not have the correct option for 533 ;)
Byte top left is 0 count to the right till you hit 9 and stop, yours is 30, change it to 17. Then hit edit and fix checksum, then hit open,write, and flash the modules.
Do this and you have no warranty, if the dimms fail to boot in any board after this you are on your own ;)
What can I say I did not know thats what you meant:) But hey its a learning process right Tony and no question is a stupid question when it comes to stuff like this:yepp: I appreciate your patience and willingness to teach:up: thanks brother;)
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Ok before any of you go setting byte 9 to 17 you must read the following:
Im working on a Phenom special SPD for OCZ ram, I have flashed Micron byte 9 to 17 and I have altered a lot of the spd also ;)
I have a boot from cmos clear at 1066 1.9V on the DFI, previously all i got was C1...just like Campbell
So...stay tuned, specially if you are an OCZ user as i will be releasing an SPD shortly that may allow a straight boot to 1066 with 1GB dimms.
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Bios 03-31-2008
OK guys, I'd gave a try on this new beta, all seams to be running OK, temps are the same as before, I even cud raise the HTref a little.:shrug:
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1267/tempsdw7.th.jpg
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temps with 03/31 are the same as with 03/12 here too (windsor f3 core..)... but they spoke about ERRORS not unlikely readings or such.. and there was a good explanation somewhere... AMD cpu diode on the newer chips is DESIGNED not to give correctreadings but to distinguish between somewhat high or low (although i dont really like that..) readings lower than 55°C are meant to be LOW temp, > 55°C is HIGH...
did not test oc very much with this new bios besides my 3,2gig @ 1,408v which are unfortunately gone since THAT mystic night when they ran 6,5h :D... no go as ever since then.. :D
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I am currently on the New 3/31/2008 Beta Myself and I see some issues with it and more then one.
Back to the RAM 1066 Divider Issue, its a SPD Programming incompatibility alright Flashed the SPD File to Reaper 1150 SPD that was sent to me when I was on DFI P35 and I am currently on stock Voltages CPU DIE Termination is all on AUTO 5-5-5-18 195ns across the board:yepp:
Will be Flashing back to 1/30/2008 Official see some things that I don't care for in this Bios and want to see if situation can be duplicated successfully on 1/30/2008;)
Be Back in a little bit Fellas
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@BrotherEsau, can you select better timings than 4-5-5-16 in the bios? I'm still unsure whether it's a SPD or a bios thing.
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Well just got back online after 1/30/08 Bios Flash.
@Achmin , I will see whats what soon enough that Beta was not stable for me and it was acting weird and erratic for me at least. I will see if I can get any love with 1066 divider now which was previously impossible on this 1/30/2008 Official with the FLEX9200 SPD which did not work on Official 1/30/08 or 3/31/08 Beta with original SPD File even with Tony's settings until I Flashed the SPD itself:rolleyes:
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Update:..............Houston we have lift off:D Well its confirmed not Bios issue but indeed SPD issue for sure! Have been able to get same results on 1/30/2008 Official Bios this time all stock voltage less Ram which is set to 1.96vdimm and 5-5-5-18 @75ns across the board ;) The only issue I see with this is that I will be needing that SPD from you Tony as for some strange reason some times after setting Primaries in bios for Ram when I go back into DRAM Config page timings that were sett to 5-6-6-18 mysteriosly become 5-8-8-30:confused: same as with the 3/31/08 Beta Bios which is what made me think it was Flaky :yepp: Perhaps maybe SPD for Reaper 9200 ....OCZ2RPR11502GK are more tuned to Intel boards?
What are you're thoughts on this Tony?:shrug: But anyway good thing we have Tony helping with this SPD issue I really can't say any other Ram Manufacturer that this would be possible with other then OCZ and their great staff:up:
Will be anxiously awaiting that SPD File for 790FX /Phenom/OCZ;)
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you just need our new shipping spd, but its not tuned so much for Phenom MCH's.
Also im having issues hitting clocks with micron where it was easy with our new 1066 IC's.
The spd im workin on boots at 1066 from a cmos clear, you then have to set manual for the ram speed and 1066 followed by another reboot to bios to unlock the 1066 MCH settings for the ram...but it boots from the getgo which is what we needed.
lots of testing on this one.
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tRFC detection by bios off the SPD is not working, so you will have to set this manually till DFI sort out a new bios build. I have programmed bang on 127.5 and 195 with both not being detected right.
Everything looks AOK outside tRFC so its no biggy
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One thing to mention is that both instances of when Primary timings would reconfigure them selves is only when I set 5-6-6-18 save / exit upon next time re entering Bios DRam Config Page it would be 5-8-8-30 on 1/30/08 as well as 3/31/08 Beta:rolleyes: But once I changed it to 5-5-5-18 it does not fo a weird flip to other timings:confused: just weird man!
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thats because you were entering timings pre 1066 mode, rebooting with 1066 mode enabled which alters how the board sets up its timings.
it is actually how the board is supposed to work ;)
So...no fault with bios, just end user needed an update LOL
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thats because you were entering timings pre 1066 mode, rebooting with 1066 mode enabled which alters how the board sets up its timings.
it is actually how the board is supposed to work ;)
So...no fault with bios, just end user needed an update LOL
:rotf: :sofa: :rofl:
Tony are their ant 2X2GB OCZ 1066 Kits that work well with this damn thing that run on low voltage?
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workin on the 2GB dimm spd now, the issue is all the PSC does 1000 at 1.8V and needs 2V ish for 1066 on average.
If only AMD could tune the 1066 hook down to 1000 we would have killer systems with phenom
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True:rolleyes: Hey do you have any inside info as to source code update advancement from AMD/Award? I mean these Bios are getting to be beyond a frigging joke already and I know DFI is scrambling trying to make a Mercedes out of a Volkswagon Rabbit and they can only work with whats presented to them at any given time but sh**t this situation is really starting to chap my ass!:shakes:
Doubt you will be Game on this one but .....Hows about some Modded Bios Love from Big Toe?;)
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Tony, I saw you changed CPU ODT to 150Ohm. Although that's with a Phenom, when should this setting be changed? Ive 4x 1GB DDR1066 (running DDR1000 though). And how does the setting effects stability/OC'ing/performance?
Any words from you about Drive Strength settings? I noticed they've a very big impact on stability and OC'ing. But then I think I finally got the right settings and only 1Mhz higher it crashes all around, extra Voltage doesnt matter:confused:. Doesnt sound right to me.
In my case I noticed the following when trying to get ~DDR1170 with 4x1GB D9GMH:
DRAM Driver Weak Mode: Weak gave me best OC'ing
CPU ODT: Ive no clue how/what it does so left it at 300Ohm
DQS: 0.75x worked, so left it there. Increase didnt help AFAIk
Data: Not lower than 1.00x, higher didnt really matter either
MEMCLK: Big impact, upped all the way to 1.50x and it increased a lot
Addr/CMD: AFAIK lowering this one helped with stability, decreased to 1.00x
CS: No idea, worked at 1.00x/1.25x.
CKE: No idea at all, 1.00x/1.25x worked.
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Does anyone know whether the Enermax MODU82+ PSUs work with the Board?
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I tested 150 Ohms thinking it would incease the level of drive, it did seem to make a difference to my dimms here.
You have to remember there is no hard and fast rule, some dimms like strong drive some weak...you have to test to see
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True:rolleyes: Hey do you have any inside info as to source code update advancement from AMD/Award? I mean these Bios are getting to be beyond a frigging joke already and I know DFI is scrambling trying to make a Mercedes out of a Volkswagon Rabbit and they can only work with whats presented to them at any given time but sh**t this situation is really starting to chap my ass!:shakes:
Doubt you will be Game on this one but .....Hows about some Modded Bios Love from Big Toe?;)
half the issues are because we are so used to K8 and how it clocked, we move to K10 and a whole set of new rules comes to play.
just look at your quote about the board messing up timings, you were not aware that the boards have a separate set of instruction that have to open up after you have chosen 1066 mode, so you were thinking the bios was borked when it in fact was working 100%.
There is stock of 9850BE's close to me so i will go get one today, I advised OCZ its time to step up support for AMD now as it appears they have made headway with B3. While some B2's are fine, going by my experience with a 9600 we all must be aware that some B2's are harder work to tune to squeeze the best out of them...of course they are fine at stock but thats NOT what an OCer is looking for ;)
I will do some guides over at the OCZ forum for our customers, its going to be a big learning curve for many as they don't realize K10 is a whole lot different.
Regarding modded bios, i think its best i just work on getting the bios files working as they should, things like detecting tRFC correctly has to happen or default speed high performance dimms just will not work correctly.
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Yeah I think some of you guys need to listen to what Tony is saying; 1066 is not difficult but it's not just one thing.
DFI 1066 no-boot is a problem involving more than one factor.
MSI/GBT/ASUS boards for a while now boot 1066 with EPP 1066 just fine.
They had to update BIOS source code to do it, or no matter what you did, there was no boot.
DFI guys would need something similar.
Look here, I flashed SPD 1066 successfully back around December with EPP 1066 D9 RAM=>
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/9614/spd2wx8.th.png => http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5640/spdad7.th.png
It still did not boot 1066! Because BIOS was at fault. Updated BIOS and voila! Straight boot. :yepp:
There is the better way to get near 1066 IMO =>
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7397/1040dw7.png
It'll alow even 3-3-3-8 :yepp:
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KTE..., my friend..., I never doubted about your knowledge, far superior and wider than mine, if you said so, I believe in you and learning from you. But I have the feeling that you are missing the ability of the HS to absorb/dissipate the heat, and cooling the IHS on your equation.;)
Well I'm only a normal guy and see myself just like you, sharing info. :)
What I'm saying is based from info from within AMD though (for a while) and we've confirmed that the temp readouts you have on current AMD CPUs are very wrong (very low compared to real). It is supposed to be fixed in BIOS/AOD and/or the latest B3 step. ;)
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:p: Was trying to make a joke, since I haven't realize if I found the "G-Spot" on DFI for be so "cold". ;) Sorry for my "Beach" English, only 2 years English on High School, ages ago. :)
Your english is quote fine bro :D
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Now, seriously I just order an 9850BE for 199 euros, expect to arrive by the end of next week. It's available in Germany since yesterday.
Keep us updated on what it does. Aim for at least 3G stable, I'm sure some will reach it :up:
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The beta bios should fix temperature readings in the first place, have not tried the previous beta to see how much ref HT it gives. 275MHz ref HT primed here for ~ 2hrs (550MHz 4-4-4-12-26 at 2.26V (min)) then the system froze but i was at 2.61GHz with only 1.375V. So I'll try it in small steps with a 10x cpu multi starting at 260MHz.
That BIOS showing core temps below CPU diode temp is wrong and that BIOS showing very high above CPU temp also looks a little wrong :p:
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Question: I downloaded Taiphoon and looked on my crucial dimm's. With that tool i see three different profiles for 200, 333 and 400MHz. CPU-Z shows two JEDEC profiles (333,400) and two EPP (400,533).
Is there a tool for modifying that 533-EPP profile in a way that it will support better that 4-5-5-16 timings at 533?
Nope, SPD has nothing to do with what Phenom IMC allows. Lowest option codable within Phenom IMC is lowest BIOS can set. The timings are all encoded to the DRAM Speed Mode and the lowest for 1066 mode are: 4-5-5-15
Each of them equal 00 encodings within K10h IMC. That's a Phenom limitation, nothing can change that I'm afraid.
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Yeah thats why we bneed trc > 26 @ divisor 800mhz too.. or is this a similar limitation?
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Sami tells me all the bios files have code for correct detection of 1066 from Jedec table now, I have the SPD to do it with the DFI and it works every time ;)
tRFC is an issue, i already mailed DFI and AMD for them to sort it. We are testing the SPD inhouse over the next few days with a view to release it there after with product.
I also have 9850BE (bought one) and will resume testing with what looks to be a much better CPU than the real early B2 I have.
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Thanks for the update Tony :up:
Oese, 800/1066 mode tRC 26 isn't a Phenom limitation, we've had 11 on MSI board for a long time.
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thats not the problem, trc 11 runs fine even with ddr1066, but i'd like to try above 26 to reach 1100mhz, which should be possible with powerchip ic's but they will need higher trc then 26, in epp-profile it says 41 @ ddr1000 :eek:
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ATTN:.......Does anyone have a Updated Bios Template for 1/30/2008 and above so I do not have to sit and modify what I have to accommodate the New Bios Lay out? Not trying to be lazy but I have allot of stuff going on right now with my cat amongst other things that are also pressing ATM.:)
I would like to provide Reference of my settings in Bios for my Phenom since Flashing the SPD File on these sticks;)
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How in the hell I´m supposed to tune multiplier with thhis board and latest bios cos settings look like this:
http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=1863388.jpg
CPU is 9600BE.
If I touch any of those settings it reverts back in boot.
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That BIOS showing core temps below CPU diode temp is wrong and that BIOS showing very high above CPU temp also looks a little wrong :p:
Yeah, what everest shows as CPU temp is actualy that extra sensor the dfi board has. In previous versions that sensor was labeld AUX. It's the sensor whom showed 100°C if you remember. Now if that temp is read too low it is an issue since that sensor reading is used to power off the machine if temps go above (75°/85°) C, to be save i'll set it to75° now. Thanks for the hint.
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Nope, SPD has nothing to do with what Phenom IMC allows. Lowest option codable within Phenom IMC is lowest BIOS can set. The timings are all encoded to the DRAM Speed Mode and the lowest for 1066 mode are: 4-5-5-15
Each of them equal 00 encodings within K10h IMC. That's a Phenom limitation, nothing can change that I'm afraid.
Aha, now you made me read BKDG again. :D
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Ok since Flashing SPD File on my 2gb FLEX PC29200 and Flashing back to 1/30/2008 Official heres what I have for settings and they have Primed for 2 1/2hrs on Blend Custom not much time I know but Its a good indication that low voltage on Ram and 1.23vcore are fine and Base set up point should not need extreme voltage to run 1066 Divider
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Unganged is faster m8, 2x64 is faster than 1x128 ;)
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Hey, Tony:) What do I know about this thing with Phenom? Not much as of yet ;) but that will change:yepp:
But it also does these settings in Unganged Mode too:)
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Achim are you getting a B3 anytime?
Good thing about AMD is, their platform is extremely tweakable because their full arch BIOS gude is freely available to all. With Intel, they only give it under NDA and so no one but a few knows facts but many assume false conjectures :(
Camp, Ganged is also easier to run on the MCT (easier to clock RAM/HT too).
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thats not the problem, trc 11 runs fine even with ddr1066, but i'd like to try above 26 to reach 1100mhz, which should be possible with powerchip ic's but they will need higher trc then 26, in epp-profile it says 41 @ ddr1000 :eek:
Are you sure they'll need such high tRC? Usually they don't [ignore the rated specs] ;)
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maybe, mainly i think so as well, but i slightly miss the possibility to try...
perhaps my rams are just at their limit, but whats surprising to me is that they hit 1066 all at stock, even at tighter timings, but there seems to be no way to tweak them to just 10mhz higher, tried voltage, timings, drive strength...
but drive strength i'm not really at the end of testing as there are that many combinations and without any clue its just trial and error...
maybe i'll try some higher clock drive strength soon as Tony and someone else suggested over here..
perhaps its even the imc of my chip.. will try further when my 6400+ arrives..
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Achim are you getting a B3 anytime?
I planned to wait for 45nm but how long will it take till they are release? At least half a year I guess. And then i'd end up with an early 45nm stepping. So I skipped first plan and ordered one yesterday, should be here mid next week. Also expecting an Gigabyte 780G mobo here on ~monday. :rolleyes:
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Good thing about AMD is, their platform is extremely tweakable because their full arch BIOS gude is freely available to all. With Intel, they only give it under NDA and so no one but a few knows facts but many assume false conjectures :(
What NDA! So that is why none in the intel section could tell me how C1E and EIST p-states work on intel. If i'd know this before id have taken a look into the linux kernel source first.:p:
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The 9550 has shown up on newegg.
Anyone see where 9850 are available yet in the US.
Brother I plan on doing this phenom learning with you, I am at a disadvantage because I don't understand many of the bios options including memory settings outside of the very basics like CL, tRCD, tRD & Command Rate.
I've checked Google, Clubit, Zipzoom & Directron also.
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oh you will understand only by experience... and the problem is, theres something new with every platform you use.. so real professional understanding (when this is possible with this kind of matter) will require lots of testing different ram and settings...
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Ah ok Achim. Yeah I'm going to start looking into tweaking Intel CPUs too, just there isn't much to tweak with them really. :(
Also, I already know about CPU power measurement problems hence why I don't pay attention to them since too many of them are highly inaccurate with little repeatability, thus pointless to make a doodle about - but I found a problem with my own power measurement testing too. Unless people are uneducated about the whole testing procedures, there is no point paying attention to them until you can understand, repeat and verify them as holding any accuracy. The reviews/people doing power measurements and not double testing them with at least one other measurement method are going to end up with faulty readings too many times [too low or too high].
I checked CPU wattages with 3 CPUs with an AC power meter, a DC clamp meter and the Gigabyte P-Tuner wattage sensors with a (Q6600) at 1200MHz 0.925v. If 1.2v 2400MHz equals 95W TDP full load, then 0.925v 1200MHz would equal 28.2W TDP full load.
At the latter setting, idle, the power meter did not drop much AC Watts from CE1 stock idling. The clamp meter read 0.2A idling, which makes it around 2.4W DC idling. But when I checked with GBT P-Tuner being verified to read +12V1 and +12V2 very accurately [fault on +3.3V VDC), the values for DC Amps were 2.3A idling, which made it 27.6W DC, very close to CE1 stock power draw and verfiying exactly what my AC power meter read. Thus, unusual figures, especially low ones for non-low TDP CPUs are highly questionable. :yepp:
Will be interesting to check out Phenom power draw at tweaked CnQ ~400MHz 0.6v, should outclass every major desktop model I can think of especially idling.
Undersea: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1594
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justapost Congrats man:clap: , yes your temps are high, humm, have you ever flashed a DFI bios in your board and compare the read temps? I ask this because your temps readings always higher than mines.
For the first impression, they are nice results, L3 6.69 :yepp:
I bought mine from ALTERNATE, only today HPM received them.
Good luck for your tests.:up:
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Is anyone experiencing weird random issues with 3/31/08 Beta ?
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Is anyone experiencing weird random issues with 3/31/08 Beta ?
Well, went back to 307. After a jumper clear CMOS, the system refused to boot @2750 (C1), flashed back 307 with /f command, and it's booting again @2750, in fact, just finished installing Server 2008 x64 at that config.
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9850 ordered! Should have it on Tuesday :)
We will see if the little brother board can do :)
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Is anyone experiencing weird random issues with 3/31/08 Beta ?
no problems here until now..
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justapost Congrats man:clap: , yes your temps are high, humm, have you ever flashed a DFI bios in your board and compare the read temps? I ask this because your temps readings always higher than mines.
For the first impression, they are nice results, L3 6.69 :yepp:
I bought mine from ALTERNATE, only today HPM received them.
Good luck for your tests.:up:
Thx for the congrats. Nope did not try a Sapphire bios, my 9500 died too quickly with one of those. Gemini and BigTyphoon difference? Must check the comparison on anandtech.
I like HPM but i wanted one as quick as possible, fortunately a shop 15min away had a few. :D
Few results
CPU 2.8 NB 2.0 MEM 1066-5-5-5-16-30
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cm28_20_5726.jpg
CPU 2.8 NB 2.4 MEM 1066-5-5-5-16-30
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cm28_24_5sa3.jpg
CPU 2.8 NB 2.4 MEM 1066-4-5-5-16-30
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cm28_24_4m7l.jpg
So without further subtiming tweaking CAS 5 is faster than CAS 4 and 2.4 NB gives a good speed bump at least in crystal mark. :rolleyes:
Wanted to bench 2-8/2.0/4-5-5-16-30 but i got an hd error so i'm in process of reinstalling.
@BroE; You have not apllied high voltages to your 9600BE yet, i'd recommend you sell that thing and get an 9850BE quick, much more fun and alot easier to oc.
3-31 is alot more unstable than 3-07 with high ref HT's here, but I gave it only a quickshot and did not try things like reflashing the bios.
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^Agreed :yepp:
Achim, check your 2G NB figures, the cache is ~7000 below mine at 2.5G CPU 2.0G NB 1066 5-5-5-15-11 Ganged. You should be plus 90k with that CPU speed.
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^Agreed :yepp:
Achim, check your 2G NB figures, the cache is ~7000 below mine at 2.5G CPU 2.0G NB 1066 5-5-5-15-11 Ganged. You should be plus 90k with that CPU speed.
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Few more results:
5-5-5-16-30 RFC 105/75
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cm28_20_5-5-5-16-30-kpv.jpg
MEM: 27795
CACHE: 91941
5-5-5-16-30 RFC 75/75
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cm28_20_5-5-5-16-30-qpq.jpg
MEM: 29293
CACHE: 95681
5-5-5-16-11 RFC 75/75
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cm28_20_5-5-5-16-11-a9t.jpg
MEM: 28462
CACHE: 82201
5-5-5-15-11 RFC 75/75
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cm28_20_5-5-5-15-11-7uo.jpg
MEM: 31146
CACHE: 108764
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hehe, things cleared up a little over here.
After speaking with KTE i tested my dimms separately and they showed a real big difference..
one dimm is capable to run ddr1100 @ 2,07v just with max async set to 8ns, tras set to 16 and trc set to 13 everything else was left untouched so pretty friendly and understandable behaviour.
the other dimm is completely different and no way stable at ddr1100. so thats what kept me away from reaching desired ram clocks.
then i learned that obviously my pretty high vcore is required because of 4gb stressing the imc, with only one dimm the chip seems to be stable at 0,05v less. I'm still testing..
So finally i get to know this plattform really, never ran into such issues before on S939, but always theres a first time..
Thanks to KTE here and all of you guys! :up:
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Yes Tye has been very instrumental in the Phenom/790FX situation since day one:clap: :clap: I tip my hat to you Tye and keep up the good work!
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ok found the wall with my chip with only 2gb:
even at 1,6v no go...
but would be nice with a 2x1gb bench-set :up:
but in a few days i'll test your 6400+ brother, its at the customs right now :banana:
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I just saw the thread updated with a post by you Oli and was going to ask if the CPU is in Germany yet. Good deal :) its a really nice CPU I know I really enjoyed it cool running and very fast:yepp:
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yepp i hope they dont mess with it at the customs and simply send it right to my door..
i really await it since due to the high multiplier i will be able to use my 4gb of ram with it at those high speeds :yepp: man trust me I'm really anxious to test that chip in my system normally those high-end chips are theoretical experiences to me only :D :banana: :banana: thanks bro for that deal i just joined xs the right time methinks :D
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Thx for the congrats. Nope did not try a Sapphire bios, my 9500 died too quickly with one of those. Gemini and BigTyphoon difference? Must check the comparison on anandtech.
I like HPM but i wanted one as quick as possible, fortunately a shop 15min away had a few. :D
Some reviews:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coo...geminii_6.html
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
I use 2 fans, Silverstone FM121 + Enermax UC-12AEBS
:confused: Do you have the Sappire or the DFI? Coz R7LS307 it's Sappire bios.
THX
EDIT: BTW great work on 9850.:up:
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Thank you for the reviews. As I compared the fans I found that I picked the wrong ones I have SilenX Ixtrema Pro 74-14dB (72cfm) but should have taken the 76-18dB version (90cfm). Think I can expect a few C lesser temps with an FM121 (110cfm).
Thinkin about getting proper water cooling, but i'll wait for oldguys experiments with his vapo first. :)
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:confused: Do you have the Sappire or the DFI? Coz R7LS307 it's Sappire bios.
Thx, fixed I had only changed the number going from Sapphire to DFI.
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EDIT: BTW great work on 9850.:up:
Hehe, thanks, that chips is alot smoother to oc. My 9600BE never liked more than ~1.42V, the 9850BE does not have this limitation.
I think this is the biggest improvement for ocers with the b3's.
@Oese, nice result with your 4600+, i wonder if the 6400 will get further.
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@Oese, nice result with your 4600+, i wonder if the 6400 will get further.
I hope so... At least I will be able to run those speeds with 4gb of ram because i can avoid high htt because of the multiplier so i can expect not to run into imc problems, and it ran ~3,6ghz aircooled at be's system so thats what i hope for.. Perhaps a little higher?? :D And at lower vcore of course.. :yepp: ;)
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My contribution towards the Sunday Gospel;)
