you should of read my words more carefully; did i ever say a q6600 could never pass 3.6ghz on air? :rolleyes:
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you should of read my words more carefully; did i ever say a q6600 could never pass 3.6ghz on air? :rolleyes:
Mind posting a screen shot of the voltage settings from uGuru for this OC?
4,050 is my max OC to date, not prime stable, just a test run..
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=235400
Questions for you guys. Currently I'm stable at 3303mhz over 12 hours prime. My temps look fine nothing over 52C.
Settings that achieve this are:
3303mhz
367mhz cpu frq.
1.35 vcore (1.27 full load windows)
1:1 FSB DRAM
2.0 volts mem
4-4-4-12 2T
1.25 MCH (NB Voltage)
Now when i try to move beyond a decent OC and start posting real numbers i run into problems. One mainly being the MASSIVE amount of vcore drop, generally 0.06-0.08 volts and high as 0.1 volts under full load. Is this common to see such a huge vdrop? Only thing i can think of is the PSU not being able to handle the huge draw. Next thing that caught my eye was the massive temp difference between the cores. At some points it was up to 10C. Is this commmon as well?
Last OC' settings: (only passed prime for ~ 10 minutes)
3600mhz
400mhz
1.47 vcore (windows full load 1.37-.38)
2.2 mem. volts
MCH 1.33
1:1 mem divider
5-5-5-15 2t
Thanks for all the help,
Scott
Yea Ace just got a nice chip "face it" :D
Anyone have good results from week L726A ?
the "G0's" are 95 watt power consumers at default speed...could be part of the reason...the other is probably because of this setup for my Ultra 120-X...the tape is there to stop the spill off or dumping of warm air...i'm forcing the air to completely go over the fins and around the heatpipes.
i never said that 3.8ghz on a q6600 air would not pass small ffts. i stated that everest is a unreliable benchmark, and you continue to argue with me.
Hey, thanks man ! Those are some impressive numbers.
Could anyone answer my questions? Would the PSU be causing that much vcore drop or is it the mobo? If it is the mobo then is it ok to set a high vcore, lets say 1.5 volts just to get 1.43-45 volts when under load? Last, s it common to see a 10-8C diff. in core temps?
i wanna oc my q6600 a bit and i noticed some ppl in the official thread have dropped the multiplier which i would like to do to run 400x8 is this possible or is just defaulting to 400x9 still, i am getting mixed reading from windows, cpuz core temp about the actual clock speed?
Dropping the multiplier(in my case) shows incorrect speed in windows and core temp. CPU-Z shows correct speed.
i know most of these chips are locked but the multi is locked from x9-x6 is it not?
It's locked to go higher. Not sure about a lock to go lower then 6x but why would you want to?
im looking for 8 so i can run nicely at 400x8 for 24/7 at this time im just wondering because in windows it says 3.6/ core temp its 3.6 449*8 / and cpuz is right
ok, thank you...but...i kindly ask you to drop the idea that prime 95 is mandatory to show stability...it is not a necessary tool ...the real test of stability comes from what a puter user does with his/her system without aborting the program, BSOD, freezing, or randomly reboots...to me, and it should be for you, a true test of stability!
the excercise i did for you proved nothing other than satisfying your appetite for this kind droning...i really wasted 14 hours and 53 minutes of electricity on a project that gets me NO WHERE!...i was already stable.
the tape on the heatsink won't be noticeable when it is put back into the case...the fans are panaflo 115 CFM per fan...yes, they can move some serious air...when not needed, i have the fan speed down to the lowest rpm allowed (based on voltage and cpu temperature).
no, you are wrong about everest..it is a superior tool to check for stability...it shows the weakness almost immediately...i am just going to say that you have no clue on what stability is all about.
you need to park the idea about prime is your so-called validity tool for someone to parade in front of you that his or her system is stable....you are forcing people to really waste electricity to prove something that really is NONE of your business...if you do not accept their overclock, FINE, then don't!...just keep it to yourself...things go much smoother.:cool:
Got some New OCs for my q6600. I think I lucked out with this quad, but I need another fan on my rad. I'm now putting ICE on 1/3 of it. Not the best idea, but its temporary. LOL!
3.825ghz Prime stable for 10 minutes or so (currently testing it):
http://i10.tinypic.com/68aq22t.jpg
This is my 3.780ghz Prime Stable (420x9)for at least 1 hour. Vista killed the program, but the test itself didn't fail. I will re-test this later.
http://i12.tinypic.com/6ccpytw.jpg
I need another fan for my triple radiator! Two San Ace + One Arctic cooling doesn't come close to three San Ace fans on high!
I have another stupid question. I know my CPU is ok right now at 67*C. Two cores are at 65*C. This is tollerable to run 24/7, right? The max tollerance for temp is 70*C I thought. As well, I'm under 1.6v. I think i'm at 1.5875v for the cpu. Is this as well to high to run 24/7?
how's the L724A760 batch? haven't seen any 4ghz for it .. anyone achieve that? .. also what would be a 24/7 clock for quadcores?
Either my board sucks a huge rusty nail, or its not all its cracked up to be. I'm leaning towards board since I can no longer even ppost at 400x9(1.53 in bios) when i was fully prime stable a week ago.
Now I'm prime stable at 1.3575v with 360x9. Others are having success and some aren't. What are you getting?
BTW you guys on air are amazing me. Makes my CPU loop look like crap. :(
I just got my Q6600 G0 yesterday and got some nice results so far. I am sure I can take it higher but I thought this was a really nice start. 1 problem I did run in to is when I changed the multiplier to 8 in bios it didn't work. It still used the 9x multi for some reason. Anyways here are some shots 10 hours prime. This was in a pretty hot room too.
Add 15c for all temps (I didn't know I could make the adjustment through speedfan)
Q6600 G0 L727A934
P5B Deluxe (vdroop pencil mod)
2 x 1gig PC8500 Crucial Ballistix
1.425v in bios
Water cooled
http://home.comcast.net/~drynyks/10prime.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~drynyks/10primePI.jpg
Highest stable is 3.4ghz for me so far. I have attempted higher with more volts but runs too hot. I'm contemplating water at this point. From all other posts i've seen with the very same batch number they don't seem to be the 'stellar' chips. I'm curious if my results would be different on a P35 though.
That's awesome. Low volts as well.
Did some SuperPi runs with my Q6600 @ Air :D
I think i have to work on the subtimings and a low 12s should be possible.
dertimaushh / Q6600 G0 @ 4200Mhz / VCore @ 1.68V / FSB 467 MHz / Devider 1:1 / 4x1GB Crucial Value PC2 6400 467MHz 4-4-4-8 / Air / 12,776sec.
http://www.hostpix.de/080316/k-UfXw6wWT.jpg
But i can't get 3900Mhz Prime stable at the moment. Maybe time for some watercooling.
Thanks 4x4, Im getting my OCz Ram cooler today so maybe i will try re-applying AS Cremq. and re-seating my D-Tek fuzion block. I did scratch the bottom of my block when trying to seat it the first time, could i have damaged the copper base by scratching it which is affecting temps? Also, do you think that using AS5 will lower the temps any? I will post back later when i have more results.
Thanks ... Scott
i return all the voltages back to a lower state since i am not priming 24/7, which is a hideous idea...if you prime for 30 minutes or an hour, i would say, COOL...GOOD SHOW!":up:
when i did the Prime 95 event for Grips and justin_c, i just maxed out the MCH and ICHIO 1.5 and increased vdimm to a level to handle it all and then, i let it rip!;)
4.0ghz on air and doing prime 95 is going to be a problem unless you have a stellar cpu, board and memory...when i booted into windows at 4Ghz, i was unable to run everest stability program for more than 2 minutes before it would freeze...i am golden at 3.84ghz with everest....the only thing that might make me stumble is my tight memory timings....i can't run at (1:1.2 ratio) ddr1152 at very loose timings with my teamgroup ddr1000 ram...so...i settled for ddr980 (1:1) at 4-4-4-12...performance is good enough for me.
i just tried the everest stability test, and it doesnt even reach my prime95 temperatures. pic coming up. your facing the majority, Prime>everest. i could probably run the everest test at 4 ghz and still pass lmao.
1.55v set in BIOS. :)
Not stable. :p:
I'm not looking to run stable or 24/7 at 4Ghz, was just a max test to see what the CPU could do. I'm happy at 3.6 & sure I could do 3.7 maybe 3.8, but I fold 24/7 with all my rigs so lower temps for 24/7 "Full Load" use is what I'm after. With air cooling & as hot as it has been here in Ms that's about all I want to do at this time for 24/7 use.
Got my G0 today with batch L724B141 and i´m running 8*450 at the moment with 1.3625 vcore and my question is how high vcore is acceptable for 24/7 with decent watercooling and this Q6600?
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...zet/3.6ghz.jpg
Coretemp showing some strange fsb under frequency, is this usual?
I don't think a lot of people realize that F@H is a pretty good indicator of stability as well. With SMP client I have had it shut down while that setting had passed several hour of prime. Add a notch of vcore and it works ok. SMP client pegs all four cores but does not create the heat that Prime small FFt's do. So everyones stability requirements are different. Most folders don't do 8 hours for stability they do 24/7 with the cpu's pegged. I am in total agreement with The Wolf that I want cool first, fast second so I can leave it unattended and not worry. Just my opinion on having to pass 8 hours prime to prove it's stable.
I have not pushed it yet, but 3.6GHz on air with 1.375V and completely stable under Vista with 4GB of memory at DDR2-1200 is an indicator of a fairly good Q6600 and probably motherboard. ;)
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/796...9x400bcbu6.png
i think not only GripS would agree with me. once i get my evga 680i i should be able to do 3.8ghz prime. once i go past 3680 with this dfi 680i lt, it fails.
your way too childish for me. quite a lack of maturity as GripS commented.
by the way, i passed the 16k fft length in 5 hrs 10 min, so something is fishy.
Glad to see someone else post there same findings as me about Folding & prime. Same as with you it passed many hours of prime & or ORTHOS but fail to fold stable. Like you I just added one step up of vcore & its been stable since. So I fail to see were Prime or ORTHOS is a sure sign of stability when passed. I only use Prime & ORTHOS to get what looks to be stable & then use F@H to find its true stability.
If you want to see if your system its truly stable get the SMP client & use that for 24 hours & if it passes your stable.
By the way when it ask for a user name put in TheWolf as user & team number 13285. ;) :p: :) Team Abit & I will appreciate it. :eek: ;) :D
Edit: Should be able to almost finish two WU=work units in 24 hours @ 3.6Ghz.
you are quite borish with your fantasy of using prime for a minimum of 8 hours as a justification that a system is stable...you need to grow up and join the adult world...get beyond this fantasy world of "show me your prime 95" to justify a high overclock.
when you get that evga 680i board, come on back and splash your sucess!...i'll be waiting for you!;)
I am sitting here trying to figure out how you air guys are showing lower temps than some of the high end water systems I've seen. Either my temps are being read wrong or your temps are being read wrong. I won't believe for a second that air cooling is working better than water. Also I realize certain chips will run hotter than others but the numbers just aren't adding up for me. Are you air guys with the low temps using a window AC unit to blow directly on the MB or something? There is something missing from this equation I just know it! :)
This is what I'm getting right now with a room temp of 27C/80F. This is actually higher than norman because I had the rig apart last night & didn't get a good seating as I had before plus its a little hotter today than normal. Was 58C across all cores or lower.
Just to show the difference between a B3 & G0 temp wise. Here a shot of a B3 using less vcore & at a slower FSB & over all speed. These both use the same basic cooling system. One has the stock style CPU cooler connectors & the other has like shown in the 1st link. Actually this setup cools better & is easier setup. B3 is under the second link.
looks like we have a problem; while i was tweaking the gtls, i noticed this:
small ffts=min ffts size of 8k, max fft size of 64k
your screenshot says "1280k passed". if you dont understand what im talking about, read again.
so you were running blend, not small ffts as most of us do. try running small ffts. i just helped out a guy @ forum.ncix.com saying that his comp failed blend after 22hrs but failed 10 mins of small fft. dont you agree GripS?
Is the insult really necessary? It is very much possible to disagree with someone without insulting them. Prime95 is well known and has been for quite some time as one of the "true" tests for stability. That's why a lot of us use it and expect to see someone post a screenshot when they are claiming stability. You need to learn to 'agree to disagree' once in a while.
Yes i agree with you. After you mentioned small fft to REALLY stress the CPU i did myself. Higher temps and failed at the current voltage(1.4v). I had to increase a touch more to achieve stability(1.42v). Without droop i'm sure it could have been fine at 1.4.
I did not specify running small fft's and i think running blend at that speed for that length of time is remarkable. I think that truly is a gem of a chip he has there.
Let's just say we test stability one way and he tests another way and be done with it. It's really not worth arguing about anymore.
Blend doesn't push the cpu that hard at all, good for testing the system memory after small fft's has passed with higher temps.
Oh btw.
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8...e95v25xeb0.jpg
Just trying to find my CPU's max and get a low 12's 1 m SPI. It may go higher but there is really no sense. Req'd 1.6125 Vcore. No stability tests whatsoever.;)
my vid in coretemp fluctuates between 1.1625 and 1.3x ... why is that?
Odd, I have never seen that. Mine shows up as a solid 1.250.
Some 4ghz screens and benches coming soon as I get some new hardware. Have only benched Futuremark Trio at 3.9ghz DDR2 974. Will be going higher shortly :) Its been to damn hot out to bench unfortunately:down:
1,51V from motherboard
3751MHz 8M
3901MHz 1M ok
1.54V
3901MHz 8M ok
1.57V
4002MHz 8M ok
1.60V
4002MHz wprime 1024m ok.
4052MHz wprime 32m ok.
P5K Deluxe WiFi AP
Q6600 G0 L726A951 (water + 28C)
PC8000
1.7V @ 4280MHz with SS Rotary 3DMark06 ok
Better NB cooler = better clocks
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/...throttle02.jpg
:(
Any ideas? I really would like to have it stable at least at 3500...
You must be on stock cooler, cause those temps look ridiculously high at 2ghz.
read his post again situman :P
Don't use TAT, it was designed for pentium M processors, so please do not use extinct software. instead use prime v25.4 and prime all 4 cores with small ffts, reading temps from coretemp (or speedfan, if you use speedfan, you must set a 15 degree offset for each of the cores in the settings for INTEL CORE).
as for the 6x issue, i have had that before with extremely high temperatures. look for a "disable temperature throttling" something like that in your bios.
use rmclock and go to Advanced CPU settings, then uncheck TM1, TM2, and extended throttling, then apply.
What's the advantage of small FFTs nowadays? I remember, that some time ago small FFTs were used because they would fit into the processors cache, alleviating any dependence on ram. However, considering the Core 2 Quads have 2x4MB of cache, the largest FFTs are 1024KB, you'd think that Large FFTs would fit completely in the cache assuming you were doing a pure test session and not web browsing or doing anything else at the time.
Is this not the case? I've found that my machine usually craps out faster on Large FFTs than the smaller ones, heat is slightly higher on the small units. If the larger units are using ram, I doubt it's what's causing errors. I am running my two sticks of GeIL Ultra PC2-8500 way below it's spec.
well my machine craps out right away if i do small ffts at 3.95, otherwise its done large for 1/2hr without crapping out (so far).
Some benchmarks at 4 ghz. Isn´t the superpi result to low or it seems about right?
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...zet/4ghz-2.jpg
I'm getting 13.771s @ 3.7ghz. I'd imagine 300 mhz would shave off .8 seconds or so....
Did a few 3D Mark 06 runs at 3924 Mhz and couldn'd figure why I was getting lower scores than my previous Q 6600 B3 runs at 3654. I thought the GPU OC was not holding but it turns out the newer 162 Nvidia drivers give me a score average of 13600 and the 158 gave me 14200 but the cpu score was good. Seems 3dmark stable as I ran the test about 6 times trying to figure out what was wrong.:rolleyes: Sorry about the screenies but the last time I posted a 3dmark link it didn't work.:)
run into windows...programs operated normally
Nice chip. Looks like it's true that the B's are killers.
hey everyone, :welcome:
finally got my new b0x a few days ago! :D
as yall can see its runnin' @ default..
blastin' @ full load for a while the temps dont seem to go above that, courtesy of a Zalman CNPS9500..
now i've been followin' this thread, checkin' out what this baby can do, n i've decided maybe ima keep mine @ like 3.4GHz, since mine's not WC'ed nor do i wanna risk killin' it :D
now the thing is i've never done any OCing up until this point :(
so i got no clue as to how to get started :shrug:
i'll be needing some of u wizhats to gimme a few pointers :D
AI Booster? AI NOS? BIOS straight up?
comparing with the examples here the default FSB seems very low..
if possible i'd like to keep the vcore intact unless recommended otherwise..
TIA
PS: mobo=P5K
http://muheheheh.netfirms.com/defaultQ6600.jpg
i put it at 1.6 actual!:shocked: ...might have been a possibility that i could have tweaked it down a notch or two...i just went into windows made a post sent some email without a hitch...ran one instances of superpi 1M and got about 12.79 secs....i was doing 1:1, loose timings and the memory was at 456mhz.
Just arrived today !!! Q6600 GO FPO BACTH : L724A858
http://img.techpowerup.org/070831/Q6600.jpg
same batch as Hazzan...L724A858
3DMARK 2006 @ 3.8 Ghz vcore 1.45 volt, VGA default
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1...dm06ps2.th.jpg
4 x Superpi 8M @ 3.8 Ghz vcore 1.45 volt
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/882...pi8mxc6.th.jpg
Super PI 1M @ 4 Ghz vcore 1.485 volt
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5...pi1mdd2.th.jpg
Well, now that I've started priming at 3.51GHz and 1.4375v(BIOS)/1.125v(CPUz) they'll both crap out at roughly two hours. Sometimes a little under two, sometimes a bit over. definitely not stable enough for me either way. Good thing is that it'll run the F@H SMP client just fine. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get this chip up to 3.6 on air, but it might be a little hot. When I finally get my water setup going, who knows.
Eagle you need a stronger pump. I believe the TR waterblock is pretty restricitive, if I remember correctly. On top of that you have two radiators. Those temps for that speed isn't right.
i a L721A814 and it sucks i cant overclock it for crap the most i have gotten was 3.6 but it would only load windows then blue screen like crazy so i have it running at 3.375ghz 1.55v in bios which i did with my old b3. i have it on my evga 680i sli mb should i rma my board or volt mod or do both
just got one and tested using 3d mark06
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...en78/q6600.jpg
Another G0 at 3.6 ghz-prime95 stable
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8...10hrob5.th.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4...z5hreo6.th.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6...voltqr9.th.jpg
What is amazing is how sensitive the temps are to ambient. One benchmark done at 84 deg F and then turned on the A/C to lower temp to 70deg F. Drops the temps precipitously. Also, lapping the CPU drops 5 deg on load.
batch L718A248
3.6GHz @ 1.3875V BIOS, Prime stable :)
I just bought 2 SLACR
L725a902' MicroCenter Cincinnati
They had new shipment. Box of 5. 3 left for sure. They are behind counter, not in cabinet. Make sure you ask. I hope these clock well...
Any advice for XBX2 and 965S Dark?
TIA...
It looks like to get the max out of your quad you will want a P35 or a 680i chipset. This is strictly based off of what i have seen posted. Nothing hands on as i'm using a P965.
I will only be using Air coolers (Zalman 9700) or (Tuniq 120).
The XBX2 are for resale. Long term stability is VERY important.
The 965S is my personal. Currently running e4300 @ 3.5 othos 8+ hours stable.
Additional advice appreciated.
L723A648 q6600 go
This is stable overclock. Can not pass orthos any higher then 3800mhz with any voltage. I think its my p5k deluxe that is holding me back. My x6800 will not run 4gig on this mobo but has no trouble with my P5wdh or my P5b. Vcore 1.58, vid 1.2375. This cpu has a 505 max stable fsb on this mobo. I find it very hard to believe that anybody on water cooling is running a q6600 go at 4gig truly stable. Im on chilled water 10c. My system is finding it hard to handle temps at 1.58 vcore. Im getting up to 66c at full load so i can imagine how hot regular water cooling system must get. Or maybe i just got a crappy hot chip?
having a little fun over in the IP35 Pro thread...thought you guys would enjoy this friendly competition.
Hey Ace, sorry to :horse: but are you still pissed at TankGuys now? Nice chip.
Ace, you think youre 4.2ghz q6600 is due to using only 2 sticks of ddr2? If you added another 2, it might be unstable? I'm thinking my chip has a shot at 4.0 ghz ( if I play with the settings, @ 3.8ghz now) but is being held back by 4 sticks. Sounds logical?
That is not necessarily true. My first 2 L723A's wouldn't do 3.2 stable. Only 2 out of the 5 i've had were good clockers. And still those 2 aren't as nice as yours. I tried chips on 680i and P5K Premium.
I'm thinking of ordering a couple more tuesday. Anybody know if newegg is still shipping B3's? I'd think they would be out by now.
EDIT The egg is still shipping some B3's according to comments. Just ordered a L726A from Tankguys.
Here is my X3210 batch code L723A from saveateagle.com
Rest of rig in my sig
Currently working on 3.8GHz at 1.52vcore.
no, i am not anymore.:) ...actually, i was just upset because i wanted to send my B3 Q6600 and Tuniq 120 to "Spawne32" right away to test in his mega marathon heatsink roundup...so...i ordered this "G0" from TG's hoping to get it very quickly...once TG had that bad shipment, i thought there would be a huge delay in getting the B3 to Spawne32...time was critcal for Spawne32 since he had another commitment after the labor day weekend.
without a Quad, his tests results would not have creditable relevance since we all know dual core heat output does not even come close to heat output of a Quad core!
Spawne32 will post the results very soon...i believe by next week.
i would buy again from TG's if he would sell to me...LOL:p:
i was under the impression that quad cores had a difficult time even getting close to 3600 mhz on the EVGA...i think it is more to do with the architecture of the board...and...each board of the same make has its own individual characteristics as to giving you good success with overclocking.
Super Pi 1M @ 4052MHz http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6...0070901vr5.jpg
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