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I was browsing the Xigmatek site this morning when i came across this beast.
http://www.xigmatek.com/product/air-...rpions1283.php
the color looks down right awesome, i hope to have a review sample soon, it looks to be an improved version of the original 1283.
anything difference n the design other than the colored fan ??
Dont know yet, im waiting for the official release, from what they told me this morning its not ready yet for release, at the end of the month i should have all the details including a sample.
read at frostytech, beated the Ultra 120
http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=2233&page=1
read the noise level again. the fans aren't even fairly matched.
with fan at 2200 rpm as opposed to the 1600 rpm fan on the thermalright...Quote:
Originally Posted by leo_bsb
thermalright had 53db, xigmatek had 50db, just got the situation worst for the thermalright.
guys dont confuse the original S1283 with the red scorpion, this one is supposed to be an improved version. It isnt even released yet for reviews.
Also, the heatsink showdown review in the stickys highlights the performance measured by the S1283(original)
thats the Ultra 120. Isn't the lead now withQuote:
Originally Posted by leo_bsb
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme 18.4 11.4 44.5 ? Or are we back in 2004 again ?
thats a powerful Red LED fan. 1.5 static pressure with 20 dB wow. P12s nemesis ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
I dont know much about the details of the fan either, the coloring is sick looking aint it tho? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ar3s
I understand your point now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ar3s
So we should ask for a comparision between Ultra X and S1283 with the same fan.
Check out the website with it moving, its unbelievable. :shocked: Sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
First off i am NOT a TRUE fanboy. But look closely at that review. They have a Ultra 120 performing better then the Ultra 120 Extreme. The review just lost credibility with that alone.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by leo_bsb
Aside from that look at the cooler. I highly doubt it performs that well. It's only got 3 heatpipes and they are not staggered (note to HSF manufacturers... STAGGER THE HEATPIPES!!). Fin density is weak. It just seems impossible that it actually performs as well as Frostytech reports.
I'll wait until Spawne32 reviews one before i believe it.
nicely said that 1 bad review there
this may perform better than what was in the review as this has 3 heatpipes as well but they are 8 diameter. This is what should have been done with the beast ifx-14. heatpipes that touch the ihs don't think thermalright could screw up the mounting on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GripS
i already reviewed the original S1283, the results are in the sticky i have posted in this forum ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GripS
any update for the red scorpion edition yet? =)
very bad heatsing. damage...
I must be missing it... where is the damage?
He means the deep scratches in the base. But its all good cause that's what lapping is for :D (as long as you don't break through the heatpipes :eek:)Quote:
Originally Posted by GripS
did you buy it used? because from the pics itself it seems like it is a mark of 4 corner. apparently it sits on something sqare shape before.Quote:
Originally Posted by 865pe
If you bought itnew, I will definatly go after the store who sold to you.
sounds like they sold a demo, display, return product to you as new.
look at the specs on the website
Thermal Resistance
‧ 0.16 ℃/W
yeah sure lol
deep groove right cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by GripS
update, i should have a sample by friday, if we are lucky, ill have it reviewed this weekend, maybe next weekend. For those of you saying its damaged or the base is messed up, its like that on purpose, frankly id like to see some base improvements but the direct touch heatpipe design does work as advertised.
http://www.ocpulse.com/hsf_showdown/load_avg_chart.png
and these results are consistent with other reputable review sites, refer to the sticky in the forums.
Copper is a fairly soft metal. The grooves appear to be from being mounted previously. Not a big deal if it's flat within the grooved area.
wow i didnt even see those dents, most likely from pressing against the heatpipes, yeh.Quote:
Originally Posted by GripS
:up: Can't wait. if only they made TRUE with HDT :(
Spawne, do you think you can do a direct comparison with TRUE VS S1283?
I can and i will. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by poohball
you the man =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
any updates? People are waiting!! =D
Yup me too anxiously waiting for your green signal.:)
Spawne32: Still waiting for your verdict..:(
Im sorry pain killer, been very busy, i do have the red scorpion, its sitting about a foot and a half above my head, had a few busy weeks, had to get a new exhaust and tires put on my car and now it needs a wheel alignment and control arm bushings XD Ill try to get some preliminary results done this weekend.
Thanks. I'm waiting for your review before I place the order ;) I'm guessing at newegg the RS1283 is the "Red Scorpion":shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
Also waiting as well. I am going to replace my Enzo Ultra-X. The Enzo just can't handle my Quad very well.
how does it looks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
first page ? the link is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by poohball
pics tomorrow ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by poohball
i am highly considering this hs please more info and tests?? hoq qill this fo compared to the ultra?? also is there any real difference between the red scorpion and the reg one other than fan color??
Noo, Thermalright would never screw up any kind of heatsink mounting, or not lap the base perfectly flat:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ar3s
btw: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835124019 identical in every way and a lot less $$$
Caseking already has in their shop, but it seems it won't be in stock until the 4th of March :(
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/...03de210f706055
It looks very nice indeed, but a small performance tweak could have been nice :)
/Thomas
also spawne i saw your review very nice btw.. one thing i see all over the place is that there is no way this will do that closely to the true.. most say its around a mid line as far as temps go. i was considering this one can your tell me honestly this performed really that well? has it been tested again since to get the same type of results?? just curious not doubting your reviews at all just wondering if maybe you got a really nice unit compared to some others..
can this be used with a reg mounting plate or only with the pins? im thinking a mounting plate i have from a previous cooler with some nuts/bolts may help the mountng of it.. thanks again!!
It does fall in around mid line, when you mount it wrong ;) , because of the fact that i rechecked my results 3 times, i had the opportunity to view and test the application of the thermal paste. I obtained the best results you see in the HS Showdown sticky because i used a line method for that particular sink. Why? Well because the base has those large grooves in it, it didnt allow the thermal paste to expand when using the dot method that alot of thermal paste companys recommend.Quote:
Originally Posted by zfactor
As far as using a backplate, Thermalrights LGA775 backplate kit, i will get you accurate results on that today.
please do im looking foward to it.. thanks for all the work you've done
Spawne32: I have placed order for Red scorpion. Are its mounting LGA775 push pins enough to tighten it or should I order Thermalright blackplate kit seperately to mount it.
can you tell ma please is the red scorpion any better than the reg one?? and is the kingwin really the exact same thing (every where i read online says it a identical twin in every way shape and form??) can you tell me your thoughts on that one since after rebates its only 25$?? thanks
The pushpins are fine if you like that style, i have to test the compatability with the backplate first, the red scorpion "appears" to be identical to the HDT version, with the exception of a quieter fan it seems, and the color/styling. The Kingwin for all intents and purposes, appears to be an identical match to the HDT with maybe a variation in the fan.
i see the heatpipes appear a different color on the red scorpion?? are they simply plated over the copper?? and do you in your honest opinion think either will be better than the other i mean rs vd non rs? thanks again for all your work
to also add: can i ask if you would take either the ultra or reg 120 over this or will it be a close call?? again in your own opinion?
Ultra 120 Extreme is the champ in all situations, regular 120 is old, it would fall somewhere in th emiddle of the scale. As far as the red scorpion bein better then the HDT, i cant say for sure but what i can say is it was designed to be beefier so only testing will tell. The only TRUE i have to compare against is lapped which i think is kinda unfair, so im only gona be using it as quick preliminary results.Quote:
Originally Posted by zfactor
id prob lap what i can on this one though so id like to still know how well it does?? and you mean the red scorpion is beefier than the hdt correct?? just making sure.. i didnt really see any difference on newegg which is why i asked i compared the two and it seems imo the only difference is the color of the heatpipes and the red fan.. the fan specs are actually lower than the reg hdt on the red scorpion?? it has a lower cfm??
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233003
it looks very nice.. i still would like to see the red scorpion vd the reg hdt to see if any real advantage is gained..
Ill let you know, this weekend, i have alot of other more important work to do. But i will get results up.Quote:
Originally Posted by zfactor
thanks!!!! need to order a cooler asap ill await your results!!
This cooler is a much better deal VS the TRUE120 for the simple reason, its only 38$ at the egg and TRUE costs 60$ Without a fan. Also look at how close the performance is and it only has 3 heatpipes vs 6 in the TRUE 120. If you can deal with a rebate, the Kingwin version for 33$ before MIR and 24$ after. I would take a loss of a couple of C's in cooling to save 50%. Right now these Xigmatek coolers are fantastic value for $$$ both the 92mm and 120mm. An added bonus is they are pretty light as well. I hope other companies start using the DHT method. I guess only time will tell.
has anyone confirmed for sure the kingwin is the exact same thing?? the specs are exactly the same and they appear identical.. anyone see both that can confirm
Yes they are the same minus a different fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by zfactor
okay great now just to see if the red scorpion is better than the hdt is
any updates??
workin on it boss, lol sorry im a very busy guy as of late + the temps are freezing in the area where i do all my work atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by zfactor
Would love a review like that
woot is true that Red Scorpion is available =D I might pick it for my new set up.... one thing I don't like about kingwin is their fan, my friend has it, it looks rather cheap and noisy.
The Kingwin RVT-12025 & the Xigmatek HDT-12823 are indentical INCLUDING the fan. The ONLY difference is the badge sticker on the fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by vengance_01
They both have the EXACT same specs (PWM, max 1500rpm, 99cfm rating).
The Red Scorpion has a different fan altogether and the pipes are NICKLE PLATED over copper.
The hsf uses the spring-type intel mount, but is totally compatible with the TR 775 Bolt-through kit.
weird, I will look into that, the fan on my friends was definately louder.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuksonrider
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Originally Posted by tuksonrider
You are absolutley right, thats pretty weird. Wonder what the story behind that is?
We dont even have Kingwin here (northern Europe) but xigmatek is widely avalible
Looks Like Kingwin and Zigmatek even Hired the same designer for there boxes :confused:
Quote:
Originally Posted by fng77
Hum, May be xigmatek oem for them I guess, but the fan part I really don't know, is still possible Kingwin try to cut cost and use cheaper fan though =)
Xigmatek did not have a US distributer for the longest time. They are the OEM for Kingwin (RVT-9225, RVT-12025, RVT-12025D. At first, people would get together over the net, buy them in bulk, and have them sent to the US. Then FrozenCPU then started selling them in limited quantities at $40 a pop.
Then Kingwin started producing them late last year and started selling them in the US.
Now newegg is recently selling Xigmatek OEM (as well as their TIM).
Still cheaper to buy Kingwin for a couple dollars less. They also carry all 3 of the Xigmatek's (92mm, 120mm, 120mm "D"-version) styles.
I'm not sure that Kingwin will seel the "Red Scorpian" version as it looks like Xigmatek has found a US distributer now (at least from the looks of it).
they are OEM for OCZ's Vendetta i believe, or was it the Vindicator, i forget which.
Yeah they were, but the OCZ's Vendetta underperformed compared to Xigmatek's original 92mm fan design. It also cost as much as the 120mm original design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
OCZ stuck with the HDT and rubber fan mounts, but went a different route with fin design.
I doubt Kingwin can produce themself because they are relatively small company. I am pretty sure either Xigmatek or someone is oem for them. Judging by the packaging, I think Xigmatek is the one oem for them, if thats not the case then it will be some low quality China factory is doing the production for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuksonrider
I'm pretty sure Xigmatek is the OEM for Kingwin as I stated. :)
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Originally Posted by tuksonrider
Alright, that makes things more clear.
any updates i know you are busy just thought id ask. wanting to take advantage of the rebate they have which will expire soon. thanks again
Hoping for this weekend again, its once again freezing and i cant get the temp up in the garage to test properly. Even with my heater in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by zfactor
:brick: Just sell it to me, I will do a full review writeup. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
lol i am gona need it anyway when the next heatsink showdown comes around, and besides that, i have to write a full review myself on it, its not just for show and tell. Plus i wanna keep it and put it in my rig :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by lowtcell
not sure i can wait to much more. do you from your previous testing really feel this is that close to the true as your chart shows.. or should i simply buy the true this is less than half the price of the true after buying a fan...
i mean do you think this will perform that close to the true for me as well as it did for you? thanks again.. i need to get something soon..
sο guys... due to the design of the base of Xigmatek S1283, which is the best method to apply thermal paste and which thermal paste do you suggest?
AS5?
as far as arctic cooling products go, mx2 is now the top dog. no cure time either:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe
I used their paste though, but is just a brand thingy and their "spec" just looks good.Quote:
Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe
i apply thermal past only on the processor?
i ask this question cause of the "weird" base of this cooler...
Spawn32 suggested ...Quote:
Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
Hi Guys,
After following quietly , the postings comparing the TRUE & the Xigmatek S1283, I have these questions that I would appreciate being answered.
1. I have a mid tower case with the motherboard mounted vertically. Can I get away with mounting a TRUE or Xigmatek S1283 on a X38 / X48 motherboard without breaking the motherboard?
2. Will I or should I install a Backing Plate on the reverse side of the motherboard? If so, could I use the Thermalright LGA775 Bolt Thru Kit?
3. I have a Sunon KDE1212PMB1-6A (120x120x38)mm fan. Specs are: 108 cf/m @3100 rpm (42 dBA) 6.8W. Would I achieve a better cooling using this fan in place of the original on the Xigmatek S1283?
4. Would this Sunon 6.8W rated fan "kill" my motherboard if I plugged the fan directly into the Motherboard CPU Fan Header?
It is interesting comparing the specs of the fan supplied with the HDT version and the Sunon I have at home.
HDT
size = 120x120x25mm
Speed = 1000 - 2200 rpm
Air flow (CFM) = 72.1 ~99.6 CFM
Air Pressure (mmH2O) = 2.6~4.8 mmH2O
Noise Level (dB) = 20~32dBA
Sunon
size = 120x120x38mm
Speed = 3100 rpm
Air flow (CFM) = 108 CFM
Air Pressure (mmH2O) = 7.9 mmH2O
Noise Level (dB) = 42dBA
I show these 2 sets of figures because I want to question the accuracy of the air flow claim of the HDT supplied fan. I think the figures claimed of Air flow (CFM) = 72.1 ~99.6 CFM is high and not what would be achieved in a real life installation.
I am interested in what others think as well.
Thank you for your replies in answer to these questions.
David
Sorry, in my haste to ask the questions, I forgot to give my thanks to Spawne32 for all that marvelous work in compiling all the figures comparing the various coolers.Quote:
Originally Posted by delewin
A little more info to help answer the above questions.
The weight of the Sunon fan is 326 gram, so if you assume the original fan weighs ~150 gram, then the total weight of the Xigmatek S1282 with the Sunon would be 600 - 150 = 450 + 326 = ~775gram.
So I am asking. Is 775 gram too heavy for a vertically mounted motherboard to carry over a lifetime of approx 3 years? Would it eventually crack the circuit board?
The latest fan used on the HDT model is the same as the Red Scorpion, as below.
‧ Dimension 120(W) x 120(H) x 25(D) mm
‧ Voltage Rating 12V
‧ Speed 800~1500 R.P.M.
‧ Bearing Type Rifle Bearing
‧ Air Flow 56.3 CFM
‧ Air Pressure 1.57 mmH2O
‧ Life Expectance 40,000 hrs
‧ Noise Level 27.2 dBA
‧ Connector 4 Pin with PWM
I can't speak for the TRUE (as I don't have one), but the weight of 600g is really light. I originally had the GeminII which weighs an impressive 847g withOUT the 2x fans vertically mounted without a backplate, and it was fine. I wouldn't recommend hauling it to a weekly LAN party, but it was secure. As long as you use all the appropriate motherboard stand-offs to mount your MB, it'll be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by delewin
It certainly doesn't hurt. The TR LGA775 Bolt Thru Kit is totally compatible with the S1283. For an avg street price of $5, it's worth the extra piece-of-mind. (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/lgbowiscsp.html)Quote:
2. Will I or should I install a Backing Plate on the reverse side of the motherboard? If so, could I use the Thermalright LGA775 Bolt Thru Kit?
**As a note, it's easier to install the HSF then trying to fit large hands pushing the push-pins. Much easier with a screwdriver. Highly recommended.
[strike]The only problem I can forsee is the mounting. The fan you have listed is 38mm thick. The stock fan is 25mm thick. It uses a rubber mounting system via plugs. I'm not certain that it'll work with a fan so thick (but it may stretch that far. The plugs are VERY elastic). [/strike]Quote:
3. I have a Sunon KDE1212PMB1-6A (120x120x38)mm fan. Specs are: 108 cf/m @3100 rpm (42 dBA) 6.8W. Would I achieve a better cooling using this fan in place of the original on the Xigmatek S1283?
****EDIT: Going back, I realize that the mounting plugs do NOT go all the way into the fan, just enough to mount. The 38mm should be fine.
I have no idea. From the 6.8w, and assuming it's a 12v fan, then amperage is .56A I don't know what the maximum watts and amps the fan header on the mb is rated for.Quote:
4. Would this Sunon 6.8W rated fan "kill" my motherboard if I plugged the fan directly into the Motherboard CPU Fan Header?
When I first bought the Kingwin RVT-12025 (Xigmatek HDT-1283), I found the 99CFM @ 1500rpm a little hard to beleive as well. I see that they revised the CFM to 56. Much lower than previously stated, and I feel more accurate.Quote:
It is interesting comparing the specs of the fan supplied with the HDT version and the Sunon I have at home.
HDT
size = 120x120x25mm
Speed = 1000 - 2200 rpm
Air flow (CFM) = 72.1 ~99.6 CFM
Air Pressure (mmH2O) = 2.6~4.8 mmH2O
Noise Level (dB) = 20~32dBA
Sunon
size = 120x120x38mm
Speed = 3100 rpm
Air flow (CFM) = 108 CFM
Air Pressure (mmH2O) = 7.9 mmH2O
Noise Level (dB) = 42dBA
I show these 2 sets of figures because I want to question the accuracy of the air flow claim of the HDT supplied fan. I think the figures claimed of Air flow (CFM) = 72.1 ~99.6 CFM is high and not what would be achieved in a real life installation.
I am interested in what others think as well.
Thank you for your replies in answer to these questions.
David
Here's a review I did on the Kingwin RVT-12025 vs the GeminII
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...60#post2666060
** I have the bolt-thru kit now, and a new TIM (IC7 Diamond).
I apologize if it seems to be deviating from the topic of the original thread. I am very impressed with the Xigmatek S1283. I have many years experience in the building of “straight” PCs. (No heavy modifications.)
The Sunon fan has a 3 pin connector and not a 4 pin that is required for a CPU fan.
Is it the case that all I need to do is plug in a standard 4 pin fan into the CPU header and plug my Sunon 3 pin into a speed controller / monitor, such as an AeroCool Cool Panel 2, etc. That way the motherboard is happy and I am happy to use this 100+ CFM fan on the Xigmatek S1283.
Or, can I just plug the Sunon into the first 3 pins of the 4 pin CPU fan header? (I don't think this will work!)
Thank you for your advice.
David
Yes it will work fine with only 3 pins, in fact it should have a little tab sticking up that only goes across 3 pins, that should guide you in where to put the connector. As far as the thermal paste application method, if you want more of a direct explanation, have a look here...Quote:
Originally Posted by delewin
http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appi..._quad_wcap.pdf
however you want to set the line so that all 3 of the heat pipes will intersect that line of thermal paste.:up:
Coollaboratory has released a Liquid MetalPad... i was wondering if this thermal pad will co-work with this heatsink....
@Spawne32: Is this heatsink heavy enough that requires an x-tra back plate... or its mounting method is safe enough not to bend the mobo?
any new updates?? thanks
Still waiting for red scorpion review =D
seems like new egg sold out now but ........ awaiting !
How's the Xigmatek mounting system? Is it secure? Does it need modifications like TRUE or Infinity?
How credible would you guys rate frosty tech in doing the review, i mean the TRUE is placed lower than the ultra 120, that cant be right
and as for the fan usage, different fan for the Xigma 2,200RPM and only 1,600 for the TRUE ?
I would like to hear anyones feedback on that site in terms of credibility
Sure it fell and they cant test it, but claim it has 0.8c drop after lapping.. :rofl:Quote:
The next step was to lap the base of the Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme. This helped flatten the convex copper plate significantly, but regrettably the heatsink fell from the lapping table and was sightly damaged before we could retest it. The thermal results can't be considered reliable after such a fall, so they were not included in the above chart. It was observed that temperatures decreased by an average 0.8°C post-lapping though.
And how reliable is their synthetic testing, the way ive seen it before that synthetic doesnt really represent real world performance in some heatsinks even if the heat disspated is 1:1 with the synthetic
The TRUE was tested with a Mechatronics G1225S12B 55 CFM 1500RPM fan, while the Ultra 120 was tested with a Martech D712025125Z2N 1600RPM fan.
I couldn't find CFM specs on the Martech, and neither could they.
hoping to have somthing for you guys this week, i was supposed to do the heatsink over the weekend however i caught the flu last week, and my ass is whooped.
Here is a quick comparison Xigmatek HDT-S1283 RED SCORPION vs HDT-S1283
Let's begin with both side by side in the boxes:
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6970/rss1wx7.th.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9877/rss2xl8.th.jpg
The RS has better packaging and mounting kit, more accessories:
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3429/rs2la2.th.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1585/rs1cd3.th.jpg
Some more RS pics:
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8792/rs3nt9.th.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7101/rs4mm2.th.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2756/rs5ta2.th.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5605/rs6zl8.th.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3036/rs7ar1.th.jpg
Both side by side naked out of the box:
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7318/rss3om5.th.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5448/rss4iw5.th.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7599/rss6hp3.th.jpg
Besides the nickel plated heatpipes and the LED fan, I found one more difference:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6735/rss5ta4.th.jpg
Did you see it? Here is a hint - deeper channels for the AMD mounting kit.
OK. Let's see what they can do:
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 with two Scythe 2600 rpm fans:
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4849/ska2jt2.th.jpg
And the temps:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1858/tempscx6.th.jpg
Xigmatek RED SCORPION with the same Scythe 2600 rpm fans:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2964/rs8qk4.th.jpg
And the temps:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6...mprsog8.th.jpg
My goal was to test the HSs only. I wanted to see if there is a difference in performance with same fans used. Well, there isn't any.