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Sucka
10-31-2004, 12:27 AM
Fast Write off did help with my OC actually, however it decreased my benchmarks for some odd reason. Only one it helped in was Aquamark, which is the one i had been having the most bizarre stuff happening to.

Side panal is off, i'll grab a fan, but this is the coolest it's been in my office for months, so ambient is pretty nice at the moment.

I'm still waiting on an answer to that annoying Nvidia IDE RAID screen. Does everyone have this, and no one can get rid of it? Again, 1.36 BIOS, and it was on the default 1.1 that came with my board. I'm not sure if my issues with the gfx are motherboard, or card related. But my overclock was stable in my intel, which leads me to beleive maybe i'm missing something?

megahurtz-oc
10-31-2004, 09:23 AM
anyone know what the max SAFE voltage is for an fx cpu under a vapo for 24/7 use? never had one befor and i dont want to kill. thanx

The Virus
10-31-2004, 03:44 PM
i would say around 1.7 to 1.8v

And how about on air???

Wingz
10-31-2004, 06:26 PM
i've noticed the Northbridge on this board is not flat and the heatsink only makes about 10% contact. will this effect the HTT overclocking? i could put more thermal compound to get a contact or viod the warrenty and lap it.

split
10-31-2004, 07:30 PM
i've noticed the Northbridge on this board is not flat and the heatsink only makes about 10% contact. will this effect the HTT overclocking? i could put more thermal compound to get a contact or viod the warrenty and lap it.

Your lucky at 10%
http://www.raptorx.net/wheres%20the%20paste%20qq.JPG

If you lapped it or even changed it, providing you sent it back with the right cooler on, whos going to know?
I doubt they check.

I suppose you could say keeping it cooler should make it last longer ;)

CodeRed
10-31-2004, 10:29 PM
Your lucky at 10%
http://www.raptorx.net/wheres%20the%20paste%20qq.JPG

If you lapped it or even changed it, providing you sent it back with the right cooler on, whos going to know?
I doubt they check.

I suppose you could say keeping it cooler should make it last longer ;)

Oh thats bad ... or they used a very small pigeon, maybe a sparrow :D

eva2000
10-31-2004, 10:42 PM
Oh thats bad ... or they used a very small pigeon, maybe a sparrow :D
ROFLMAO hehe

blinky
11-01-2004, 12:14 AM
anyone know what the max SAFE voltage is for an fx cpu under a vapo for 24/7 use? never had one befor and i dont want to kill. thanx24/7 use keep it under 2.0-2.1v and ull be fine. A64s dont just die from high vcore, thats a myth

p4z1f1st
11-01-2004, 05:21 AM
does some1 knows, what the option "NV/ATI SpeedUp" does?

(it's hidden and just ajustable with shift+F2 / alt+F3)

and i recognized something strange - my RAM can overclock higher (1gb gskill pc4400 @ 2.5-3-3-7) when i set dram drive strenght to "normal" and not to "weak"...lol

niaboc79
11-01-2004, 05:36 AM
does some1 knows, what the option "NV/ATI SpeedUp" does?

(it's hidden and just ajustable with shift+F2 / alt+F3)

and i recognized something strange - my RAM can overclock higher (1gb gskill pc4400 @ 2.5-3-3-7) when i set dram drive strenght to "normal" and not to "weak"...lol


nv/ati speedup on my x800xt pe set it in bench at 545/587 but when the bench is over it comes back to 520/560

Dynasty
11-01-2004, 08:26 AM
Has anyone put more then 3.4V using the ocz ddr booster on the MSI
K8N Neo2 . ?

arj
11-01-2004, 08:50 AM
Has anyone put more then 3.4V using the ocz ddr booster on the MSI
K8N Neo2 . ?

I pumped 3.5v into my BH5 to get me 265Mhz 2-2-2-5.

niaboc79
11-01-2004, 09:26 AM
Has anyone put more then 3.4V using the ocz ddr booster on the MSI
K8N Neo2 . ?

4v with my BH5 but with 3.8v I can run it at 275 2 2 2 1 7 12 1T

le_pere_noel
11-01-2004, 12:34 PM
interesting board even if i can't get over 280 in dual whereas i go over 300 in single wih my a-data 566 :/ will try to find a cheap fx55 :D to get a better mem contoler :d

charlie
11-01-2004, 12:40 PM
WOW!! Our thread has a new HOME :D

The Virus
11-01-2004, 12:54 PM
WOW!! Our thread has a new HOME :D

Hey charlie, im using the onboard Giga lan and i have the nvidia one disable but i noticed now that its sharing the IRQ with my AGP and 6800gt, will this give me any conflicts or no??

CodeRed
11-01-2004, 12:57 PM
Has anyone put more then 3.4V using the ocz ddr booster on the MSI
K8N Neo2 . ?

3.55V here using the Vdimm/3.3V bypass mod

Jack
11-01-2004, 02:13 PM
WOW!! Our thread has a new HOME :D

yeah what's up with that?

wampir
11-01-2004, 04:55 PM
which ram do you suggest 2x512 for this mobo ch5 or hynix ?? I have only these ticks

Perc
11-01-2004, 05:28 PM
where to get this board? everywhere i look its outa stock :(

thx perc,

Dynasty
11-01-2004, 05:30 PM
wampir im using 2-256mb BH-6 sticks with the MSI K8N no problems so far
upto 250 fsb 2-2-2-6 1T ;)

wampir
11-01-2004, 06:14 PM
But I have opportunity to change my bh6 to 2 x 512 ch-5 or 2 x 512 hynix and I'm just wondering which ones are better :confused:

longshot
11-01-2004, 09:05 PM
Where do the onboard SATA controllers act up on this board?

saaya
11-01-2004, 09:14 PM
hey, can somebody sum up the tweaks and bugfixes? :)

The Virus
11-01-2004, 10:29 PM
Anyone know how many diff revisions are there for neo2 ?? I just got mine 4 days ago and i dont think AGP lock is working , even if i set it at 67mhz.

My system crashes even with just 210fsb and when it reboots the windows error message says the problem was with the 6800gt. The board runs rock solid with stock settings with my FX55. My ram is Corsair PC3500c2(2-3-3-7 rating, BH5) and yes it crashes at those timings too with 2T. Should i RMA the mobo or what?

zakelwe
11-01-2004, 10:47 PM
Anyone know how many diff revisions are there for neo2 ?? I just got mine 4 days ago and i dont think AGP lock is working , even if i set it at 67mhz.

My system crashes even with just 210fsb and when it reboots the windows error message says the problem was with the 6800gt. The board runs rock solid with stock settings with my FX55. My ram is Corsair PC3500c2(2-3-3-7 rating, BH5) and yes it crashes at those timings too with 2T. Should i RMA the mobo or what?

Check the AGP is locking by running clockgen. I assume clockgen is correct as it follows the AGP speed set in the BIOS. Now PCI lock always stays at about 33Mhz so either that is a correct reading or it is not reading correctly, however I was testing at 100Mhz AGP last night ( I have an nvidia 6800 which does not mine this ) and if the PCI was not locked then I assume that 100/2 = 50Mhz would have caused my hard drive to fail ( or maybe I was lucky ).

Anyhow, that is a good first step.

Regards

Andy

saci
11-02-2004, 04:38 AM
which tccd for this board??

what is avarage the best one?

Jack
11-02-2004, 05:28 AM
you could wait for the new voltage-loving TCCD to show up in the stores :)

i thought the tccd that is on the market nowadays performs pretty much the same, about 270-275Mhz

longshot
11-02-2004, 06:52 AM
Someone needs to sumup the tweaks and bugfixes in one post that make this board perform like a rock.

saci
11-02-2004, 08:45 AM
can only use the board's default (2,85v) ...

so it won't help me to much...

should i go for ADATA Vitesta pc4000 CL3-4-4-8 for 200€

or for better ram(tccd) for something 270-300€??
and which tccd? geil,ocz,corsair,pqi,g.skill,etc?

that whole memory thing confuses me :confused:

cpu runs 260x10 now

PnoT
11-02-2004, 08:57 AM
Someone needs to sumup the tweaks and bugfixes in one post to make this board perform like a rock.

I second that!

saci
11-02-2004, 09:32 AM
how is that GEIL tccd
http://www.cheeep.de/chips.php?op=modload&name=cheeep_shop&file=description&II=931&IDU=20041102183720217.82.227.167&SectionID=6

on msi k8n neo2?

PnoT
11-02-2004, 08:28 PM
Not sure if you guys have experienced this before or not but i'll throw it out there in hopes someone has a fix for it or tell me what i'm doing wrong.

I'm having an issue running any form of slave off my master ide1 cable. I can run 1 master np but the second i setup a slave either hd or dvd burner and try and access it within windows it will lock up the system. I've tried different cables and settings. I have the nf3 drivers installed properly as well. I have yet to try and setup a slave on the ide2 but damn i have 4 hd's and a burner i need the ide1 slave to work. Any ideas or similar happenings around here on xs?

mikead_99
11-02-2004, 10:26 PM
Looks untested atm, but here (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=340431) is a mod'ed 1.37beta bios. Puts the VCore options removed from 1.36b back in and some other stuff.

split
11-03-2004, 06:14 AM
Hmmm trats has made some good BIOS's.

hosted (http://www.svcheats.co.uk/MSI_Neo_Plat2_939_beta/) in trats directory.
Another host (http://www.svcheats.com/MSI_Neo_Plat2_939/beta/).

the bios was modded from the beta bios v1.37

changelog:

extra options in W7025NMS_137mod.bin
agp sideband address
ide hdd block mode
mac media interface
acpi function
wor (ri#) from soft-off
power status led
reset configuration data
shutdown temp
smart nb fan target
smart nb fan tolerance
display -12v in pc health status
nv/ati speed up
dram drive strength
pci clock autodetect
vcore options +13%, +15% and +18.3%


note: the bios is untested. use it at your own risk

xgman
11-03-2004, 07:18 AM
thanks! just what I have been looking for.

xs64
11-03-2004, 08:58 AM
Does anyone tried those 2 bios 1.36 and 1.37 ? Which is the bset ?

I\m using 1.36 and happy with it , wonder how's 1.37 bios works ?

StellaArtois
11-03-2004, 11:45 AM
Ok, I'm looking to get my Neo2 up and running in the next few days (with an FX-55 and Vapo LS strapped to it :D ) so I've been combing this thread for info. Attempted summary in no particular order (apologies for choosing one link out of many in general):

- Boot board with one DIMM when starting for the first time

- Flash to the 1.36 (1.3b6) or 1.37 or 1.37modded bios:
http://www.weckstrom.com/msibios/
http://www.svcheats.com/MSI_Neo_Plat2_939/beta/

How to hot flash:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44481

- Use SATA ports 3 & 4 (nearest CPU, these are locked - 1 & 2 are not)

- Set AGP speed to 67 to LOCK PCI

- To maintain performance (and still get dual channel), only use two DIMMs, in slots 1 & 2 (nearest CPU)

- Many people are having good success with BH5 when using 1.36 BIOS or above

- Nearly everyone is having good success with TCCD

- Use DDR Booster in DIMM slot 4 (furthest from CPU). Seen people use upto 4V used with no adverse effects - yet ;)

- With 1.36 BIOS, only use +/- to adjust the HTT speed, don't enter the sub-menu unless you want a blue screen

- Trfc should not be touched by A64 tweaker

- Press Shift+F2, hold and press alt+F3 as well to enter hidden BIOS options

Apologies for the no doubt loads of other stuff missed!

xgman
11-03-2004, 01:59 PM
Good list, except I don't think the booster is necessary here. (maybe for BH-5) I would try to get the 3.3 rail up to 3.4 at least for a subtle vdim boost in any case.

Cashman
11-03-2004, 03:39 PM
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Im having a nightmare with this little combo at the moment!!


The MSI Neo2, 3500+ Winchester and OCZ Platinum 3200 Rev.2 (TCCD) work amazingly with the stock cooler, had them upto 225fsb with stock volts and 2-2-2-10.

However, after I'd got the Puppy running I thoughth.. C'mon is Mach II GT time!! I wanna see 3ghz! Then....

...Oh no!! either this Motherboard or this Winnie doesnt like the cold... It simply will not post with the Mach II cooling it! PC Fires up but no boot (cant ofter get to Bios either).

I havent tried flashing the Firmware yet for the Mach II to the 821 Firmware but I will. The reason I dont think the firmware is the issue is because I removed the evap head bu kept the Mach II connected to the PC. Turned the Mach II on, temp dropped to -33.c and then the PC started (I was cooling the CPU with a 92mm Tornado blowing straight at it - no HS ) and the little blighter boots without problem straight into Windows?????

Really strange!!

I know this board is OK with Subzero temps as Ive seen loads of you using it however, I wonder if the Winchester simply cant operate at them?

Anyone able to help??

[ r2 ]
11-03-2004, 04:07 PM
What bios are you using for the Neo2?

mike.elmes
11-03-2004, 04:20 PM
I'm having problems with the mach 1 and this board....the reset doesn't work from the chill control. As soon as I hit the go button the pc posts, and the chill control wont hold the reset like it has with other boards. I didn't want to have to wire 2 power supplies.... who has this combo working together, and how did you do it??

zakelwe
11-04-2004, 12:33 AM
Is AGP speed connected to PCI on nforce 3 ?

I have been running AGP at 100Mhz and cpu-z reports it correctly, however it stays at 33Mhz for PCI bus. If it was a 2 divider then I assume PCI would be 50Mhz which should have blown my hard drive out.

Puzzling

Regards

Andy

pr0di9y
11-04-2004, 12:36 AM
I don't know if anyone post this problem before, avoid using the last PCI slot (i.e. the one with Orange color). It really meant to be use with their WiFi card :slap:. I had a heck lot of problem with my system with that PCI slot occupied it

saci
11-04-2004, 02:12 AM
what is max stable northbridge temp??

any1 tried to let the nb-fan run slower yet??

forget to put more/better thermal compound on it and no got cpu/gpu watercooled and don't want to change something..

krampak
11-04-2004, 02:22 AM
I've just bought that mobo... really nice, prime stable at 280Mhz FSB by now, and some benchies at 300 but I can only run asyncronous because my KX3000 BH5 can't run syncron :confused: (is it possible?) So I did FSB300 Memo@240 2-2-2 (http://usuarios.lycos.es/krampak/Benchs/240_2-2-2_everest.JPG) for bench. All this with the 1'37 moded bios.

There isn't any option to change the voltage of chipet? I can't find it... 300fsb where did at stock voltages.

PD: If i set vcore to +10% it only gives me 1'60v, is that normal? VID is at 1'55V.

And another thing, how do you know what vdimm you have? I can't find any sensor reading that... (and my ocz ddr booster leds are burned)

saci
11-04-2004, 03:36 AM
i get only to 1,45 by changing it "normally". .. for any higher i need the %

xgman
11-04-2004, 08:19 AM
I've just bought that mobo... really nice, prime stable at 280Mhz FSB by now, and some benchies at 300 but I can only run asyncronous because my KX3000 BH5 can't run syncron :confused: (is it possible?) So I did FSB300 Memo@240 2-2-2 (http://usuarios.lycos.es/krampak/Benchs/240_2-2-2_everest.JPG) for bench. All this with the 1'37 moded bios.

There isn't any option to change the voltage of chipet? I can't find it... 300fsb where did at stock voltages.

PD: If i set vcore to +10% it only gives me 1'60v, is that normal? VID is at 1'55V.

And another thing, how do you know what vdimm you have? I can't find any sensor reading that... (and my ocz ddr booster leds are burned)

+10% on 137mod bios give me 1.77v if set at 1.55v.

krampak
11-04-2004, 09:16 AM
Mine never goes over 1'6V... what's going wrong :confused: If I set Vcore to 1'55V an any 0% it does 1'55 correctly, so the 1'55V its OK, may be the 8 an d10% doesn't work?

Cashman
11-04-2004, 09:42 AM
R2....

you need to update your machines Firmware. The MAch II needs a new firmware to operate with this board (and most A64)

http://nventiv.blue-nexus.com/

Get all your firmware from here :)

p4z1f1st
11-04-2004, 09:45 AM
I don't know if anyone post this problem before, avoid using the last PCI slot (i.e. the one with Orange color). It really meant to be use with their WiFi card :slap:. I had a heck lot of problem with my system with that PCI slot occupied it

what you mean with "problems" ?

stability or overclockability?

FrozenGPU
11-04-2004, 04:35 PM
Is there a list of full dividers and how to choose them?

pr0di9y
11-04-2004, 05:40 PM
what you mean with "problems" ?

stability or overclockability?
Overclocking, sorry for not being specific about the problems I faced when the last PCI slot was used.

mike.elmes
11-04-2004, 06:08 PM
R2....

you need to update your machines Firmware. The MAch II needs a new firmware to operate with this board (and most A64)

http://nventiv.blue-nexus.com/

Get all your firmware from here :)
I'm assuming since there was nothing there for the mach 1 that the chill control is really basic and somewhat lame on the mach 1......as compared to the mach 2...

mikead_99
11-04-2004, 08:16 PM
On mach 1 the front panel is your chill control, or whatever you call it. No interface to the mobo whatsoever, except for reset hold, which doesn't work on newer mobos.

eva2000
11-04-2004, 10:21 PM
R2....

you need to update your machines Firmware. The MAch II needs a new firmware to operate with this board (and most A64)

http://nventiv.blue-nexus.com/

Get all your firmware from here :)
curious how you update mach2's firmware if you can't boot the pc ???

The Virus
11-04-2004, 10:40 PM
I just noticed that my memory controller in system devices is using "microsoft" default driver. I went back to the MSI website and noticed that their package does not include the driver for the memory controller. Can anyone confirm this. Here's the site from MSI download page:

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/driver/dvr/spt_dvr_list.php?part=1

p4z1f1st
11-05-2004, 04:01 AM
guys, i think, i know my oc-problem with my Neo2 + GSkill....

http://www.8ung.at/dresign/nf3ultra.jpg

.....afaik (refering to Onepagebook) all northbridges beforce 0418A2 aren't that good clocker....

so, i think, i've to RMA my board and hope to get a newer one...

but i wanted to ask a few of you, if you can post your results escpecially with TCCDs on this board and which nb-week you have....

p4z1f1st
11-05-2004, 05:04 AM
ill check my NB.

here's some CENTON TCCD.sandra.

ram-size?

1x512MB ? 2x512MB?

which timings? which ram-week? what voltage? :D :D :D ;)

p4z1f1st
11-05-2004, 05:13 AM
2x512


look at the great job msi did...dahm im glad i checked it..mabey this is making me unstable..it was hot as hell when runing..

here is my NB week.

hmmm, that's confusing.....your is from taiwan (all after 0418A2 are from korea).....but you can acheive 280MHz with 1GB.....is that really stable?

cause, my 0403A2 isn't stable >265MHz.....

(btw. my NB was full of heat-compound....not just a little bit, like yours....again confusing)....

[ r2 ]
11-05-2004, 05:14 AM
2x512


look at the great job msi did...dahm im glad i checked it..mabey this is making me unstable..it was hot as hell when runing..

here is my NB week.

Hmmm...i must check mine, maybe after all thats why im having problems.
Did you apply as5? If so how much of it as i have no idea, never applied or even looked at the NB.

split
11-05-2004, 05:31 AM
']Hmmm...i must check mine, maybe after all thats why im having problems.
Did you apply as5? If so how much of it as i have no idea, never applied or even looked at the NB.

Thing is it isn't very flat, so you may need a bit more than the usual wafer.

[ r2 ]
11-05-2004, 05:37 AM
Thing is it isn't very flat, so you may need a bit more than the usual wafer.

Should i spread it all over the chip? or use the blob method?

I ran out of as5 so is it safe to remove the NB, i want to check my week and put it back without applying any paste?

split
11-05-2004, 05:53 AM
']Should i spread it all over the chip? or use the blob method?

I ran out of as5 so is it safe to remove the NB, i want to check my week and put it back without applying any paste?

My thoughts would be this. Would do no harm to have a look, but if the goo covers said numbers? think you see the problem :D

The blob method may be OK on CPUs (even though I have never used it) as CPU coolers have real downward force to spread it.
Never a right answer here, as we all have our own ideas.

I just gonna waste some old AS2 on mine. (or even the stuff that comes with some coolers)

[ r2 ]
11-05-2004, 06:03 AM
LoL i see what you mean, well hopefully it doesnt.
Anyways im off to double check, by the way what is your week?

[ r2 ]
11-05-2004, 06:32 AM
How do you remove the NB, having troubles.
Is it plastic clips or is it screwed in?

split
11-05-2004, 06:36 AM
']LoL i see what you mean, well hopefully it doesnt.
Anyways im off to double check, by the way what is your week?
I dunno yet.
Prolly rip it off Saturday when I have some time as I am putting it in another case.
Guessing mine will be an early one, as I pre-ordered it in the UK.

I am not over bothered, as I don't have the mega cooling that some users have :(
My experience with these coolers comes from Nforce2 days.
They only had a blob of very strange sticky stuff.
extreme (http://www.motherboardfaqs.com/content.php?content.28) ?


How do you remove the NB, having troubles.
Remove Mobo, and pinch in the things so they release.

mike.elmes
11-05-2004, 09:26 AM
']How do you remove the NB, having troubles.
Is it plastic clips or is it screwed in?
The NB is held on by 2 split pins. I removed mine before I installed the mobo.
I'm sure it should come out without pinching it from the other side. Wish I would have made a note of the numbers before I smeared it with AS and replaced the h/s. Mine had a little bird dropping as well....better than nothing, I guess. :p:

[ r2 ]
11-05-2004, 09:39 AM
The NB is held on by 2 split pins. I removed mine before I installed the mobo.
I'm sure it should come out without pinching it from the other side. Wish I would have made a note of the numbers before I smeared it with AS and replaced the h/s. Mine had a little bird dropping as well....better than nothing, I guess. :p:

Well i had no luck removing the NB without removing the board, i put some force into it and nothing. Doesnt matter ill do it tomorrow when i have more light.
Well using bios 1.36/7 didnt help me with my o/c problems.
AMD64 3500+ 0.13
Neo2
XL Pro 1GB
I cant get it stable no matter what past 220HTT, first i thought its the ram so i ran memtest86+ at 250Mhz 2.5-3-3-7 1T 32 passes on test 1-7 and over 250 passes on test 5
I know its not the cpu as i managed 2.5 HTT250*4HT 10x with ease on 1.55vcore 5:6 divider.
Im not sure basically im down to: XLs having compatibilty issues with Neo2 or dimm 2 or maybe the board is bad as i managed with using 1 stick of ram 2.5Ghz HTT250*4HT 1.55vcore 2.85vdimm 1:1 2.5-3-3-7 1T.
Im thinking of getting new Neo2, well ill check tomorrow by removing the NB maybe that will explain it. Im also getting some OCZ 3700 Gold Rev3 so ill see how they go.

Any suggestions why im having this problems?

xgman
11-05-2004, 10:09 AM
Do you have AGP set to 67 to lock the pci? the neo2 does way better on samsung tccd based ram than the XL's.

[ r2 ]
11-05-2004, 10:13 AM
Do you have AGP set to 67 to lock the pci? the neo2 does way better on samsung tccd based ram than the XL's.

Sure do have it set to 67. Yeah but its strange how i can memtest without any errors at 250Mhz and cant even do 230Mhz in winxp.
Dont know im also thinking it might be the psu (Tt 560W) only 28A for +12V.
Im puzzled...

mad mikee
11-05-2004, 10:14 AM
1. NB sink is usually held on w/2 'squeeze' pins. Must use needlenose pliers or forceps (locking tweezers) from the BACK of the board- squeeze together and push though board.

2. Remove the 'lack' of stuff w/ rubbing alcohol, then airgun to remove dust and blow stuff from UNDER the chip (YES there is a slight gap, since these are mounted using Ball grid methods.)

3. Silver ANYTHING is an NO-NO! :bsod: Possible conductive, staining, and capacitance issues (LEAVE EVIDENCE AND VOIDS WARRANTY).
Use Artic alumina or Ceramique, avoids above problems.

4. If you decide to lap, use 220 -> 400 sandpaper: more is not relevant here due to issue listed in (5). May help some though, especially to remove anodizing (insulator) surface contacting chip.

5. Use the razor blade method :slash: (no not that one) to get a relatively even distribution of compound on the chip since (NF2/3) tops resemble dinner plates more than a flat surface. Check that you have enough by mounting w/o pushing pins back through MB, then add small drop xtra in the middle and do final mounting and pin push-through.

Should notice that NB is much warmer now if done badly b4. Shows that the NB HSF is doing it's job - dissapating heat.

End of class, certificates are to be found in you MB boxen. :D

funkflix
11-05-2004, 04:55 PM
Are the normal PATA-Ports have the PCI/AGP-Fix too, or just the SATA Ports
3+4 ?

p4z1f1st
11-05-2004, 11:08 PM
Are the normal PATA-Ports have the PCI/AGP-Fix too, or just the SATA Ports
3+4 ?

deine englische grammatik ist ja grauenhaft :D

the pATA-Ports are operating with the PCI-Clock, and the PCI-Clock is locked on the nF3 Ultra / Neo2 ;)

(btw. ich hasse dich für deine CPU....)

funkflix
11-06-2004, 03:55 AM
Jo, kann sein .. Ist schon lange her ;)

Thx.

toreide
11-06-2004, 07:12 AM
This board is really giving me a headache :mad:

I installed my new system yesterday, and all worked for a little while. It seemed very slow booting, and sometimes it did not want to proceed from the first screen, Platinum, requiring a restart. It usuallt booted on a second attempt.

I upgraded the bios to modded 1.37. After this it wont recognise any USB devices (keyboard and mouse attached).

I now tried to do a reinstall after flashing back to 1.36 bios. I attached my floppy, press F6 when XP setup is initialized, but when I am requested to put in my sata floppydisk, the pc can't read the disk. Seems like either my floppy is dead (seems to work ok according to lights and noice) or the MB can't communicate with it. (similar to usb devices).

Questions:

1. What is wrong with the USB?
2. How can I install sata drivers for XP without floppy?
3 Is the board dead?

My ram is OCZ PC 3200 512MB EL Dual CH Platinum rev.2 (only one stick of 512mb installed now), CPU is Winchester 3200+, Samsung 1614C sata disk.

Pls help!

toreide
11-06-2004, 07:23 AM
Drivers installed are nVidia 5.10

split
11-06-2004, 07:29 AM
See my post here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=589571#post589571) about sata, and note what I said about not using drivers.
Have you got the USB bracket with the D-bracket thing plugged in, if you have try unplugging it (both USB and diagnostic thing) and just use the USB ports beneath the PS2.

funkflix
11-06-2004, 08:00 AM
Hi

Strange problem here! Earlier today i benched a bit with 3,65V Vdimm and it works fine
so far. Then i rebooted and take the 3,3V back to standard an
put down the the sys. to 10 x 260 166 divider for ram. Then i surfed
a bit on inet and after 5 min. i get an Bluescreen. Booted again and everytime before
Win is ready i get that bluescreen or an reboot! I've tested all different
Timings / dividers / HTT / all on standard, but no way to go into win...
With one stick in slot one i have no problems. Memtest works fine with both
Sticks over 5 passes @ dualchannel using slot 1&2, but no chance to boot win.
If i will boot with only one stick in Slots 2 or 4 the sys wont start, just beeping.
Its that normal?

Question is : Which part took damage? The motherboard or the cpu/memcontroller?

I'm really confused ... :rolleyes:

Kriller
11-06-2004, 08:10 AM
I am planing on buying an Neo2 with an Winchester, BUT those problems with BH-5 i don't like to read about? I will use 2x512Meg TwinMOS Winbond BH-5 (think it is different steppings). I asume that I will get an farley new Ne2, so atleast 1.36 BIOS will be there? What do you guys think, will it work? I think I will take the chanse!

split
11-06-2004, 08:11 AM
10 X 260 on Sata?
Any chance your hard disc got corrupted?


I am planing on buying an Neo2 with an Winchester, BUT those problems with BH-5 i don't like to read about? I will use 2x512Meg TwinMOS Winbond BH-5 (think it is different steppings). I asume that I will get an farley new Ne2, so atleast 1.36 BIOS will be there? What do you guys think, will it work? I think I will take the chanse!

You might try searching over here (http://msihq.designlab.info/board.php?boardid=28) for TwinMOS.
There is a thread on there with ram that does / doesn't work on the Neo 2 :(

BTW, the 1.36 BIOS (http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html) is only beta.

funkflix
11-06-2004, 08:15 AM
10 X 260 on Sata?
Any chance your hard disc got corrupted?

No problem with only one Stick at those Speeds and i use normal PATA
ontroller for the harddisks!

p4z1f1st
11-06-2004, 08:28 AM
No problem with only one Stick at those Speeds and i use normal PATA
ontroller for the harddisks!

how i told you via icq: look which week your NB has.....refering to onepagebook (and me) the taiwanese-NBs (all beforce 0418A2) aren't that good clocker - they lock up at ~ 260-270MHz.....all NBs after 0418A2 are produced in Korea....and with them onepagebook for example reaches >300MHz

for me it seems, like the MoBo just can't do more....i've the same problems, too

bluescreen means to 80-90% that the system got corrupted memory-access....so, the memory is the problem.....(or the NB....i've GSkill TCCDs PC4400 - but on the Neo2 they can't do even 270MHz stable....)

funkflix
11-06-2004, 08:35 AM
Yesterday it was no Problem to bench up to 250 1:1 and 275 with 166
divider for ram! Dualchannel! Im finally @ win again with both sticks ..
10 x 200 Ram @ 166 MHz 2-2-2-5 2T ! :mad: with 1:1 and 2T --> reboot.
Im sure the Board or the cpu is damaged, but i dunno.

p4z1f1st
11-06-2004, 08:42 AM
the same from me ;)

first it worked great.....benching, short-memtest: no problem!

but after a few "working"-moments the board shows, that it doesn't like that high overclocking....trust me, you aren't the only person who has these kind of problems ;)

your mobo and cpu are working normal, nothing should be damaged ;)

(take a look to your NB-reversion....)

funkflix
11-06-2004, 08:53 AM
I have two Boards here. The one that i have not installed have an
0411A2 Taiwan Northbridge. Later i will tell u the week of the other
Northbridge.But that sucks, the Board must run with 200 MHz 1T !!
Cant understand that ..

Kriller
11-06-2004, 10:06 AM
1

You might try searching over here (http://msihq.designlab.info/board.php?boardid=28) for TwinMOS.
There is a thread on there with ram that does / doesn't work on the Neo 2 :(

BTW, the 1.36 BIOS (http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html) is only beta.

Yes, I've been lookin' there, didn't find so much of great value.

k, didn't know that, what bios is the new card shipped with? And what I found out the standard vdimm is set to 2,7volt, BH-5 @ SPD, will make that, atleast what I remebmer. I've seen post where they say that someone shall use an other ddrmem and crack the voltage up, but wont 2,7 will be enogh? I will exchange all my other ddrmems (2x256 333+400) for an 512 BH-5 so I will get 2x512, IF it not will work, I have a problem :D

charlie
11-06-2004, 10:49 AM
how i told you via icq: look which week your NB has.....refering to onepagebook (and me) the taiwanese-NBs (all beforce 0418A2) aren't that good clocker - they lock up at ~ 260-270MHz.....all NBs after 0418A2 are produced in Korea....and with them onepagebook for example reaches >300MHz

for me it seems, like the MoBo just can't do more....i've the same problems, too

bluescreen means to 80-90% that the system got corrupted memory-access....so, the memory is the problem.....(or the NB....i've GSkill TCCDs PC4400 - but on the Neo2 they can't do even 270MHz stable....)

Interesting...
My board came with BIOS 1.0 loaded so I had a feeling that it was a bit "dated". Now I take a look at the NB and yes, indeed it is a 0409A2..... hopefully this explains why my PMI Turbo TCCD 2 x 256mB tops out at 240HTT..... when my BH-5 running asynch can do 325HTT!!!

C

funkflix
11-06-2004, 11:14 AM
My NB is 0409 too! Now im on my other Neo2 which have an 0411 NB.
1T is working fine now again! i'm on 10 x 240 1:1 2-2-2-5 1T. Full stable.
The only question is, how long does this board work, before it craps out
like the other ... :rolleyes:

I swear there is one electronic component on those Neo2s that is
from a really bad quality! But dunno which it is!

Perc
11-06-2004, 11:34 AM
so what date are we looking for to determin if we got a newer one vrs the older one? i get my MSI this up comming week and would like to be able to tell before wasting my time installing it if i got a good one or a :banana::banana::banana::banana: one....

thx perc,

funkflix
11-06-2004, 11:54 AM
0418 China

p4z1f1st
11-06-2004, 02:42 PM
0418 China

0418A2 Korea :rolleyes: ;)

@ charlie: "how" async?

6:5 ?
5:4 ?

funkflix
11-06-2004, 02:45 PM
Besserwisser ... :D

Sorry my fault.

jinu117
11-06-2004, 02:52 PM
Interesting... Don't know what I have on NB yet as I didn't check it before putting it into my prommy.... (well maybe sometime later... tired of seal string jobs after jobs recently with my winchester venture).
Funny thing is, Dual channel tops around 270FSB stable. Single Channel tops around ... who knows... past 300FSB now. Does that mean it is typical board? Or are there people going well over 270FSB on dual channel 1gb setup? Wondering if it is my 3700EB or board which is not quite clear yet. Now that I figured out I can get higher FSB on single memory, time to check to see how high my 3500+ will go again... was FSB limited :P

funkflix
11-06-2004, 02:59 PM
Why dont u use an divider for the Memory, to top out ur cpu?
No prob here to go above 300MHz HTT.

p4z1f1st
11-06-2004, 03:01 PM
Besserwisser ... :D

Sorry my fault.

hehe :D

@ jinu117: hm, with singlechannel i can't pass 300MHz....one of my two GSkill-stick acheive this on DFI lanparty-ut @ 1T:
http://www.8ung.at/dresign/overclocking/MemTest86_312MHz_2.5-4-3-7-1T.jpg

http://www.8ung.at/dresign/overclocking/MemTest86_315MHz_2.5-4-4-7-1T.jpg
(look, WHEN exactly the errors came.....595passes of test#5 and first errors in test-passing #513...somehow strange, but doesn't matter)

but on the Neo2 i get thousands of errors with that stick @ 300MHz.....

so, it HAS to be a nb/motherboard-issue

mike.elmes
11-06-2004, 03:23 PM
What about a VDD mod for the lousey Northbridge?? My last 8rda needed a VR to fix the problem. Maybe a similar problem with the better NB having a superior chipset voltage.

p4z1f1st
11-06-2004, 03:25 PM
What about a VDD mod for the lousey Northbridge?? My last 8rda needed a VR to fix the problem. Maybe a similar problem with the better NB having a superior chipset voltage.

hmm...dunno.....try it and tell us :D ;)

longshot
11-06-2004, 06:37 PM
Is this board's CPU temp sensor way off? My evap temp is -23c but MB is reporting the chip temp as 59c This is a FX-53 @ 2.8ghz under full load.

jinu117
11-06-2004, 07:09 PM
i will do vdd mod if there is any know pictures and explanations :P

xs64
11-06-2004, 11:21 PM
I wonder how to mod vdd too ? please someone can say word !!

Sucka
11-07-2004, 12:25 AM
I've had this board + FX-55 for a little over a week now, and am still trying to take in all this information. This is my very first AMD system, and as such a lot of this is new to me. Just wondering if this sounds about right to you all.

BIOS 1.36 Beta
Voltage: 1.55 + 3.3% by VID which gives me 1.58-1.60 actual according to MBM, running 10 x 275 (2750mhz)
Memory: Gskill TCCD @ 2.75v running at 275HTT 2.5-3-3-7-1T
AGP Voltage for 6800GT OC @ 1.65v
My temps read around 37C Idle, max i've seen is 57C (Thermaltake Venus 12)
I'm using a PCP&C 510 Deluxe in this system

Most of the other settings i've just been doing what everyone else has used. Just wondering if those voltages look about right for what i'm running. Anything less than that on volts and it reboots, this seems stable right now. I heard 1.65v is the most you want to go on an A64 (air)?

On a side note, my rails vary A LOT depending on which proggy i use. I'm seeing numbers as low as 11.4 on the 12+ rail, and for having the PSU i have, can i trust these readings? I am gonna test it with a multimeter as soon as i can, but all my rails look like crap on the sensors for this board.

[ r2 ]
11-07-2004, 03:41 AM
What is the advantage by increasing the AGP voltage?
Does it improve your o/c?

Sucka
11-07-2004, 11:09 AM
']What is the advantage by increasing the AGP voltage?
Does it improve your o/c?

Just on my graphics card. And when i had it lower before i did the 1.4v mod on my 6800 GT, it would reboot. I guess i can lower it down, but i've always run 1.6 on my 9800's.

wampir
11-07-2004, 01:59 PM
which sticks should take for winchester 3000+ ???

I have only 2 x 512 hynix d43 and 2 x 512 buffalo winbond ch5

PLEASE HELP :confused:

p4z1f1st
11-07-2004, 02:02 PM
try them and see which oc better ;)

wampir
11-07-2004, 04:43 PM
i'm not afford to have them both :(

PnoT
11-08-2004, 03:51 AM
I have been messing with this board for 3-4 days 18hrs a day getting down all the small issues it has and i'm about to give up. I had the board running at 260 fsb with some bh-5 1:1 2-2-2-5 and it was moving great until i ran into this issue: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=45309

This sub zero cold boot issue is driving me insane. :(

NiCKE^
11-08-2004, 04:49 AM
Is there diffrent revisions of this board? I just wonder cause I got mine today :D

funkflix
11-08-2004, 04:56 AM
Nope, just the Rev. 1.0! :)

NiCKE^
11-08-2004, 05:07 AM
Nice :D Then I cant get so much crappier board then others :D

p4z1f1st
11-08-2004, 07:46 AM
Nice :D Then I cant get so much crappier board then others :D

of course you can ;)

u have to look at the NB-revision ;)

if it's produced in TAIWAN (weeks beforce 0418A2) your max will be around 260-280MHz 1:1 - when your NB has a revision AFTER 0418A2, then it's established in KOREA and it should work >300MHz ;)

xs64
11-08-2004, 09:49 AM
of course you can ;)

u have to look at the NB-revision ;)

if it's produced in TAIWAN (weeks beforce 0418A2) your max will be around 260-280MHz 1:1 - when your NB has a revision AFTER 0418A2, then it's established in KOREA and it should work >300MHz ;)
You mean HTT > 300Mhz with what's LDT ? 3 or 4 ?

viccyran
11-08-2004, 01:19 PM
I just took a look at my NB.. and at first I saw Taiwan, and my heart dropped.

But strangely, the week was like 0440something.. I'll check the bios revision on the board when I book it up tonight with a 3200 .9mm! :) Wish me luck for 300HTT > :)

jinu117
11-08-2004, 05:06 PM
Oh yes, Oh yes!!!!
Thanks Kyosen :)
My crappy NB (before the magic week) stopping at 270FSB dual channel while going past 300FSB on single channel is not stopping me anymore ;)
The VDD mod did wonders (upped it .2v total for now) and I am rock stable past 300FSB now. I need to rework on getting correct dividers, etc as well as memory timing now that all seems have changed with this single mod. HoooRAY

RVee
11-09-2004, 03:22 AM
Where did you get the VDD mod details? Kyosen?

can you post?

funkflix
11-09-2004, 03:33 AM
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41350

NiCKE^
11-09-2004, 07:44 AM
Hmz I didnt look @ my nb number but I saw on the box that it was made in China. Will that confirm it or do I have too take off my nb cooler?

Kriller
11-09-2004, 03:11 PM
Hmz I didnt look @ my nb number but I saw on the box that it was made in China. Will that confirm it or do I have too take off my nb cooler?

Take it of and have a look, won't take long...

Ratax
11-09-2004, 04:39 PM
Well, I put the MSI on my Vapo LS today...

First run, and all seems good except keyboard and mouse (PS2). Take them to USB and all seems to work fine.
A couple of windows reboots (ordered by me), and then Vapo LS software install. EDIT: I must say that the Vapo was programed to boot at -10º, and after install software, I programed it to boot at -30º
Don't know why, after this, the system hangs in boot screen after DDR post and before HDD detection...

->Take off extra sensors bought in asetek website, and that I can't put to work with the Vapo.
->Take off vcore mod, that seems not to work (BTW, can someone explain and place some pics about vcore mod?).
->Take off battery, because can't reach reset cmos jumper (because wi-fi card), and place it again.

Same hang...
Any thoughts?

BTW, vcore mod (with 25K pot)... is like this?
http://clientes.netvisao.pt/ratax/grabbermod_.JPG

http://clientes.netvisao.pt/ratax/vcoremod_.JPG

split
11-09-2004, 05:22 PM
Same hang...

What CPU?
I suppose you have read the threads on cold settings with winchesters?

Ratax
11-09-2004, 05:29 PM
What CPU?
I suppose you have read the threads on cold settings with winchesters?


Winchester 3500+...
Yes, I'm reading the other related threads also.

Thank You!

toreide
11-09-2004, 06:02 PM
I decided to give this board another try....I posted earlier of problems with my first one, now returned with dead usb ports, floppy controller and more :mad:

So far everything has gone smoothly. Updated the bios to 1.30, put in my second OCZ stick. Time has now come to tweak this thing, so I have many questions for you:

1. How do I access the hidden options in the bios? I tried in the main window, pressing shift+F2 + Alt+F3 but no luck.

2. AGP is set to 67, is this enough to activate the pci-lock? I don't want to start pushing untill I'm sure it's activated.

3. Ram settings:

How do I go about clocking? I need an explenation of how fsb, HT freq and timings are related. I'm hoping to press towards 270mhz, at least when I get my watercooling sorted.

If someone has a list of how the different options are set in bios it would be a great help.

I guess that will be all for now :)

Ratax
11-09-2004, 06:10 PM
You only see diferences with shift+f2 alt+f3 in the sub-menus and not in the main menu... Not like gigabyte boards...

So, do shift+f2 and then alt+f3 and you can see differences, for example, in the "cell" menu. Try to do this inside this menu, besides the main menu, to see the change in the disponible options...

|-jokker-|
11-11-2004, 04:20 AM
Hello guys , i have what i think is a problem , i have a msi k8n neo2 with the vio with one a normal enermex giving 3.28 volts to the bh5 .
With the dual channel activated i can´t go over 225/230 , in single channel i can´t pass 255.
Is there anything i must do to gain oc with the dual channel ?
My cpu can reach 2700 on ar for bench and i liked to bench 1:1 and super pi and so on .
I´m buying a ocz next week .

Cumps guys [[]]

Edit :

A friend sayd me that can be the mems controller in the cpu that is wasted , is that possible ?


cumps

steve-0
11-11-2004, 05:30 AM
hi guys, well i'll try to explain my problem (my english is not so good)

i've got a winchester3000+ (watercooled) and a MSI K8N Neo2 and a pair of 512MB DDR500 ADATA

it's Prime95 estable working at 277x9 3:2 (mems@185Mhz) (1T)
and working at 250x9 1:1 (1T)

but i don't know why, i can't make it stable working at 277x9 5:4 (mems@~230, remember that they work perfectly at 250) (1T) :confused:

do you know guys what is my problem?

thx & regards

saaya
11-11-2004, 05:52 AM
Hello guys , i have what i think is a problem , i have a msi k8n neo2 with the vio with one a normal enermex giving 3.28 volts to the bh5 .
With the dual channel activated i can´t go over 225/230 , in single channel i can´t pass 255.
Is there anything i must do to gain oc with the dual channel ?
My cpu can reach 2700 on ar for bench and i liked to bench 1:1 and super pi and so on .
I´m buying a ocz next week .

Cumps guys [[]]

Edit :

A friend sayd me that can be the mems controller in the cpu that is wasted , is that possible ?


cumps

i dont think so, but to make sure you should test the same memory stick on both memory channels = both memory controllers, to see if one of them is ocing worse.

is your vdimm stable? maybe it fluctuates and with 2 sticks it fluctuates a lot more wich keeps your oc down? did you try 1t and 2t?


hi guys, well i'll try to explain my problem (my english is not so good)

i've got a winchester3000+ (watercooled) and a MSI K8N Neo2 and a pair of 512MB DDR500 ADATA

it's Prime95 estable working at 277x9 3:2 (mems@185Mhz) (1T)
and working at 250x9 1:1 (1T)

but i don't know why, i can't make it stable working at 277x9 5:4 (mems@~230, remember that they work perfectly at 250) (1T) :confused:

do you know guys what is my problem?

thx & regards
hey steve-O, welcome to XtremeSystems :toast:
i feel honored to see you post here ;) hehe :D

it could be a bios problem with the divider... but i think the problem is just that you cant oc the memory and the fsb to the max.

its the same when overclocking a videocard, if you oc the gopu you reach a certain speed, if you then oc the memory you reach a certain speed, but you will never be able to run the gpu and the memory at the same speed together, you will always have to slow down the gpu and memory both a bit if you oc both.

its the same for cpus, if you can reach a certain oc and a certain max fsb it doesnt mean you can reach that max cpu oc together with the max fsb you reached with a different multiplier.

a better psu and maybe cooling the mosfets could help you :)
if you have a good psu you can mod it and pump up the rails a little :D

steve-0
11-11-2004, 10:17 AM
hi
thank you very much for your answer, but, you don't think that is too many diference 260 1:1 (stable) and 277 5:4 (230DDR) (unstable) ? :(

yuri
11-11-2004, 11:56 AM
Does anyone have a solution for running this mobo with a Mach 1 unit ?

kromosto
11-11-2004, 11:34 PM
gonna get this mobo today with 3500+ .09 anyadvice for me forexample i read the thread but cant decide 1.36b or 1.37 bios and again does this mobo like 3500eb do i need to know any specific configuration for that

PnoT
11-11-2004, 11:37 PM
Does anyone have a solution for running this mobo with a Mach 1 unit ?


More than a few of us are awaiting the answer to this problem. There is a new bios out but no one has tried it with the mach I yet so i dunno. I would try it myself but i only have enough seal string for one more go so until i buy some more i'll wait and see if someone else finds a fix.

esdee
11-12-2004, 01:44 AM
Is there a way to find out the NB region of the MSI Neo2 (China-Taiwan-Korea)
Something like sticker outside the box?

|-jokker-|
11-12-2004, 01:56 AM
Mine is from taiwan , is that good , or bad ?
Thkx a lot guys

[[]]

p4z1f1st
11-12-2004, 02:03 AM
Is there a way to find out the NB region of the MSI Neo2 (China-Taiwan-Korea)
Something like sticker outside the box?


no - u've to take of the NB-heatsink.....

toreide
11-12-2004, 04:22 AM
I noticed nVidia have released drivers refered to as 6.14beta. As my last download was 5.10 I wonder if these are nforce drivers. Can anyone confirm this?

Anyone tried them?

swetmore1331
11-12-2004, 05:53 AM
Upgraded to Winchester, 3dmark score went down

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My old scores on my xp2500@2400 and 220 mem at 2,3,3,6 with a 9800 AIW @ 400 / 380 would get about 19,500 in 3dmark01.

Same video card at same clocks with a 3200 939 winchester@2500 (4x htt @250) with mem at 208 2,3,3,6 on my Neo2 K8N, I only got 16,100 in 3DMark 01.

What gives? I thought the mem divider on the Athlon 64's makes less of an impact, but my scores suck.

Bios 1.36B
Aggressive Timmings... Dis
NV/ATI..Dis
Drive Dram Streangth... Normal
Dynamic OCing...Dis
HT Freq...4x
Coll-N-Quiet...Dis
PCI Auto Detect...Enabled
AGP Freq...67
Mem Volts 2.75......
AGP voltage 1.6
Vcore 1.7

Perc
11-12-2004, 01:07 PM
of course you can ;)

u have to look at the NB-revision ;)

if it's produced in TAIWAN (weeks beforce 0418A2) your max will be around 260-280MHz 1:1 - when your NB has a revision AFTER 0418A2, then it's established in KOREA and it should work >300MHz ;)


ok i got mine today and this is what it says ont he nb.... 047353.1 0440A2 S TAIWAN ULTRA soooooooooooooo did i get the good one or the :banana::banana::banana::banana: one :)

thx perc,

mikead_99
11-12-2004, 02:26 PM
I've seen someone else around here saying they had a newer Taiwan NF3 and it did fine. The issue may be more related to pre-0419 chipsets then site manufactured. You'll have to let us know. :)

aonic
11-12-2004, 02:57 PM
I recieved my neo2 and 90nm 3200+ few hours ago and set it up all and now when i goto turn my computers on, i switch the psU ON and the system's fans and HD's start up but nothing gets displayed
so i press the power button.. and it shuts down.. when i press it again, nothing happens
it has:
gf2 mx400
3200+ winnie
neo2
2x HD's 1x CDrom
1 512 Ram in dimm 1

what could be wrong? i think it might be my case's power button.. anyway to turn it on without the power button?

thanks in advance

i also tryed booting with no CPU and just 1 stick of ram.. nothing

Perc
11-12-2004, 03:56 PM
I recieved my neo2 and 90nm 3200+ few hours ago and set it up all and now when i goto turn my computers on, i switch the psU ON and the system's fans and HD's start up but nothing gets displayed
so i press the power button.. and it shuts down.. when i press it again, nothing happens
it has:
gf2 mx400
3200+ winnie
neo2
2x HD's 1x CDrom
1 512 Ram in dimm 1

what could be wrong? i think it might be my case's power button.. anyway to turn it on without the power button?

thanks in advance

i also tryed booting with no CPU and just 1 stick of ram.. nothing

i have the same problem man. i cant turn the system on with the power button thank god for some reason the psu switch is acting as a power button at the moment.... another thing im haveng trouble with is the memory i cant run more then one stick of memory and if i even try to use differnt slots the only way to get the system to boot is to clear the c-mos and go into the bios and reset all the settings... i deff think a bios update is in need here? the bios date reads 9/22/04 can someone tell me what bios this is? also what do i use to flash the bios? winflash? someone help :)

thx perc,

Blue078
11-12-2004, 04:13 PM
Sounds like the old 1.1 BIOS.

Heres a link to most of the beta BIOS's for the K8n NEO2. And I think a DOS Floppy flasher is included on that site. If not grab an official MSI BIOS and it'll have the proper DOS flasher.

http://www.weckstrom.com/msibios/

Perc
11-12-2004, 04:17 PM
Sounds like the old 1.1 BIOS.

Heres a link to most of the beta BIOS's for the K8n NEO2. And I think a DOS Floppy flasher is included on that site. If not grab an official MSI BIOS and it'll have the proper DOS flasher.

http://www.weckstrom.com/msibios/


yeah its deff old cause msi live update shows 1.30 for the next update but i dont trust that prog to flash the bios so i ask you this?? can i just use winflash? im used to that prog and have good luck with it BUT i am not sure how it works with the MSI board? anyone know if i can use the winflash prog or not?

here for some entertainment value: this is my air set up til i get it in my mach1. didnt want to stuff it in a case til i got the bugs all worked out....



thx perc,

split
11-12-2004, 04:55 PM
There is a thread here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44481&highlight=usb%2A) on ways to flash the BIOS on the NEO 2.
Some nice little tricks in it, and even tho I am a DOS lover, the flash in windows seems OK.

All the BIOS are @ http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html except the one the OnepageBook modded which you can get if you PM him.

Blue078
11-12-2004, 05:29 PM
I've only flashed with DOS so I cant help ya their. Hope you guys get your boards going your way:) I was an early adopter of the Neo2, and it's been the best 939 I've had.

G|-|oST
11-12-2004, 05:37 PM
OK here is another trick question re: BIOS flashing. I have a left over BIOS saviour that I was using on the DFI NF2 board. Could I use Winflash and flash the saviour with the MSI BIOS and be able to use it? I am not sure if the BIOS that in the Neo2 right now supports Winnies, so trying to figure out a possible solution.

What do you guys think would that work?

Perc
11-12-2004, 05:46 PM
ok i just used winflash to flash the bios and it worked BUT my question is why does it still read 9/22/04? i flashed to the 137 modded bios what gives??


hmmm? well on the boot up sceen it shows it being the 1.37 bios so i gues the 9/22/04 date is just the version bios that was modded and renamed 1.37? anyways now my power button works AND i can use 2 sticks of memory in 1T mode sooooooooo looks like the 1.37 modded bios has helped me out big time. now lets oc this puppy :)

thx perc.

split
11-12-2004, 06:30 PM
OK here is another trick question re: BIOS flashing. I have a left over BIOS saviour that I was using on the DFI NF2 board. Could I use Winflash and flash the saviour with the MSI BIOS and be able to use it? I am not sure if the BIOS that in the Neo2 right now supports Winnies, so trying to figure out a possible solution.

What do you guys think would that work?

You should have no problems with a winnie if you have the mem in single channel mode even with an early BIOS.
I don't see what you shouldn't be able to use a BIOS savior, and if it gives you grief (wrong file etc) force flash it.
Think if you have to force flash it, it will be the floppy way.
See my post here (http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17304954&highlight=awdflash) on force flash.
Going to depend what's on it atm, and what board you flash it in.
I just took the flash utility apart, and it does support /F

F: Use Flash Routines in Original BIOS For Flash Programming

aonic
11-12-2004, 06:34 PM
i fixed my problem with a cmos clear.. but now when i install any OS and boot from HD i get a blank screen :/ i can install any windows just fine.. but when it boots to HD it get a blank screen

stealthbomber
11-12-2004, 06:37 PM
Is this board's CPU temp sensor way off? My evap temp is -23c but MB is reporting the chip temp as 59c This is a FX-53 @ 2.8ghz under full load.

Well I've only got a XP90 heatsink with a 92mm YS-Tech fan but the temps at full load @2.5Ghz @1.55v is around >60C!!!

Me thinks the temps are as much as 10-15C off the mark, may just be wishful thinking until others can confirm this... :bsod:

Perc
11-12-2004, 06:38 PM
ok im having some issues here. seems that trying to set it to 210 results in a no go? i would think that 210 would go without having to touch any voltage settings? maybe im running into memory conflicts already? im using adata pc4000 since the damm things have run good in every rig ive owened so far... just seems funny that 210 being almost a given and it not wanting to work that its more like a memory conflict then an actualy oc limitation?? i have a feeling if i yank one out and go to single channle this would not happen. thing is i want dual channel so i gues the fun begins "time to start trying differnt memory"... all i have right now is EB3500 and crosair 3200 bh-5 and these dammed pc4000 adata sticks.... any ideas guys?

thx perc,

stealthbomber
11-12-2004, 06:46 PM
You did lower the HTT to 4x right?

Perc
11-12-2004, 06:50 PM
You did lower the HTT to 4x right?

even at 210???? no i didnt should i have? i mean i know when using higher ocs you have to but i didnt realize that just a mere 10mhz would cause me to have to lower it? ok i go try 4x now :p:

thx perc,

Blue078
11-12-2004, 07:01 PM
ok im having some issues here. seems that trying to set it to 210 results in a no go? i would think that 210 would go without having to touch any voltage settings? maybe im running into memory conflicts already? im using adata pc4000 since the damm things have run good in every rig ive owened so far... just seems funny that 210 being almost a given and it not wanting to work that its more like a memory conflict then an actualy oc limitation?? i have a feeling if i yank one out and go to single channle this would not happen. thing is i want dual channel so i gues the fun begins "time to start trying differnt memory"... all i have right now is EB3500 and crosair 3200 bh-5 and these dammed pc4000 adata sticks.... any ideas guys?

thx perc,

In the Cell menu, try Dissableing the option "Agressive Timing"
I was stuck @ 217 untill Agressive Timing was set to dissable.

Oh and dont forget to set AGP to 67, for the locks to kick in.

Perc
11-12-2004, 07:19 PM
hmmm? this detect pci lock crap should i disable that or leave it set to auto? also i tried ldt 4x and 3x witht the htt set to 210 @ 1.55v memory set to 2.8v and i got blue screen at start up?? im using a FX-53 and i was hoping that i would be able to oc to atleast 25-2600mhz before having to up any voltages... sooooooo i either have memory conflict or this chip is going to require some voltage? just dont see 210 being even close to the limit where i should be having to up the voltage to ANYTHING??? anyone? any idea's? ill try disabling agressive timmings and set it to 67 mhz to see if the lock kicks in or not??

thx perc,

conrad.maranan
11-12-2004, 07:32 PM
I'm glad I didn't encounter any of the problems a lot of you are experiencing. I picked up my board and a 3000+ Winchester from mWave this morning, installed everything into my case, and took it to work.

I plugged everything in and powered up my rig about an hour ago. I initially booted up at 201MHz with no other changes to BIOS. From there, I bumped it up to 275MHz with 2x512MB memory modules running 1:1 at 2.5-3-3-10. I'm currently running SuperPi 32M and will post a screenshot of that alongside a Sandra screenie when it completes.

VCORE is currently at 1.550V and VDIMM is at 2.85V. 2475MHz (37.5% overclock) isn't too shabby for my first hour. I hope there's still some more left in this puppy.

Would any of the BIOS files after version 1.3 happen to have provisions for more VDIMM? 2.85 isn't cutting it as I know my 3200 Platinums were scaling with more voltage on my DFI 754 rig.

Cheers!
:toast:

Blue078
11-12-2004, 07:56 PM
The 1.36 has more vcore, but I think 2.85 is the max vdimm in any of the BIOS

xgman
11-12-2004, 08:42 PM
if you can get the 3.3 line up to over 3.4, you get a pretty nice boost in vdim.

conrad.maranan
11-12-2004, 09:12 PM
I think I need more than a little boost. If the DFI NF4 isn't out by next week (I know it won't be out yet), I'm going to purchase an OCZ Booster so I can push 3.3V to these Platinums.

The proxy server here at work isn't allowing me to connect to my FTP server. I'll upload my screenshots when I get home in about 2 hours.

My 3000+ is now at 9x291MHz with a healthy dose of 1.550Vx10% pumping through its transistors. I just finished 16M SuperPi and started the 32M run. That's a 45.5% overclock good for 2619MHz as of this writing. Memory is at 5:6 because I've reached my max at 280MHz 1:1 with 2.85V. My RAM needs more juice.

Screenies to follow in a few hours.

EDIT #1:
Anyone using the BIOS from Onepagebook? Did you find that it helped your overclocks?

EDIT #2:
Here's the screenshots I promised earlier:
http://webpages.charter.net/conrad-digital/WinchesterNeo2/1st_hour_on_939.png

http://webpages.charter.net/conrad-digital/WinchesterNeo2/winchester_at_290_on_air.png

Super Pi 32M failed towards the end of the 24th iteration when the HTT was set to 291MHz. I dropped it down to 290MHz, completed Super Pi without incident, and was able to run Prime95 for a little over an hour.

I'll run Prime95 for 24 hours after I post this and see how everything fares. If 24 hours of Prime95 without incident is a success, I'll start playing with BIOS 1.36, 1.37, and the one I downloaded from Onepagebook.

Cheers!
:toast:

Perc
11-13-2004, 04:48 AM
hey with this 1.37 moded bios i have lost firewire suport? anyone know else notice the lack of firewire suport with this bios?

thx perc,

RVee
11-13-2004, 05:03 AM
hey with this 1.37 moded bios i have lost firewire suport? anyone know else notice the lack of firewire suport with this bios?

thx perc,

I have 1.37 modded and no probs with firewire - my pod is plugged in right now :D

However, I have some issues with this bios when using the extra %'s on the voltage. 1.55 +10% is fine, but none of the higher values (13, 15 & 18%) seem to work. When these are selected the bios resets to default voltage (and costs me a cmos reset at HTT >275. darn)
Is this a known issue with this bios?

Also have some issues with soft boot / reset not picking up my system (sata) HDD, even at stock. cold boot is fine.
Can anyone shed some light on this?

Apart from these minor issues I love this bios.

Perc
11-13-2004, 08:42 AM
I have 1.37 modded and no probs with firewire - my pod is plugged in right now :D

However, I have some issues with this bios when using the extra %'s on the voltage. 1.55 +10% is fine, but none of the higher values (13, 15 & 18%) seem to work. When these are selected the bios resets to default voltage (and costs me a cmos reset at HTT >275. darn)
Is this a known issue with this bios?

Also have some issues with soft boot / reset not picking up my system (sata) HDD, even at stock. cold boot is fine.
Can anyone shed some light on this?

Apart from these minor issues I love this bios.


where are you finding the firewire option in the bios? i rember seeing it with the org bios but once i flashed over to the 1.37 modded bios its gone? could it be in the hidden bios section also how do i get into that hidden bios screen? wasnt it somthing like alt f3 or somthing??

*edit* ok never mind on the hidden options it seems this 1.3b7 bios has them un hidden? NOW im still looking for the damm firewire optionin the bios? ever since i flashed the bios over to this 1.3b7 its not there anymore? i rember seeing the damm setting with the old bios but with this new one its gone! i need to get my firewire going cause i have all my files on this other hd :( anyone know what the hell? i wonder if i got a wierd flash somehow? maybe reflash?? anyone?



thx perc,

aonic
11-13-2004, 09:31 PM
so if i set CPU VID to 1.55v and 15%. it would change the voltage?
ClockGEN says my max volt is 1.450 even after i set my volts.. whats up with that?

ahh yup it worked:

stock cooling, ram @ 166 [204]
cpu @ 36C

http://aonic.net/~oc/245.JPG

saaya
11-14-2004, 01:12 AM
i fixed my problem with a cmos clear.. but now when i install any OS and boot from HD i get a blank screen :/ i can install any windows just fine.. but when it boots to HD it get a blank screen
make sure your using the right sata slots


Well I've only got a XP90 heatsink with a 92mm YS-Tech fan but the temps at full load @2.5Ghz @1.55v is around >60C!!!

Me thinks the temps are as much as 10-15C off the mark, may just be wishful thinking until others can confirm this... :bsod:
the temps are known to be horably wrong on the neo2 :D

Perc, tccd? what timings?

conrad.maranan, theres a very simple 3.3v rail to vdimm mod, so vdimm=3.3v rail :)

hey RVee, welcome to XtremeSystems :toast:


TO EVERYBODY!
in order to keep this thread clean and not let it run into chaos please dont post about all of your problems in this thread but rather start a new thread to find a solution to your problems and then report back in here and post your results and bugfixes here.
please help to make this thread a collection of bugfixes and results and not a collection of bugs and problems, thx :toast:

aonic
11-14-2004, 07:45 AM
I think i got a bad CPU and/or Taiwan chipset on the mobo

I cant go over 270 HTT no matter what
i tryed LDT @ 3x, multi @ 8x.. cpu @ 1.73v ram @ 133 divider :(
any tips guys?

Th3__W00T_GuY__
11-14-2004, 07:57 AM
i got 2x512 mb ocz pc3200 el platinum (with ch-5 chips) i put them in slot 1 and 3 and the booster in 4 (in the msi k8b neo2 platinum) that's ok for oc'ing?

[ r2 ]
11-14-2004, 08:01 AM
i got 2x512 mb ocz pc3200 el platinum (with ch-5 chips) i put them in slot 1 and 3 and the booster in 4 (in the msi k8b neo2 platinum) that's ok for oc'ing?

In you have them in dimms 1&3 thats single channel, put them in slot 1&2 for dual channel.

Garrett
11-14-2004, 08:35 AM
I probably read over it, but I just got the board, set the 3500+ to 10x200, LDT to 4x, but if I run 200 or 220, I get exactly the same Sandra mem scores... what am I doing wrong??

In other words, the memory doesn't seem to speed up along with the HTT... :(

-edit-
I had set my computer to ACPI Multiprocessor PC... I set it back to Uniprocessor PC and it's ok now :)

Th3__W00T_GuY__
11-14-2004, 09:03 AM
']In you have them in dimms 1&3 thats single channel, put them in slot 1&2 for dual channel.


ok ocz in 1 and 2 and booster in 4?

but on the msi page it says i could put it in 1 and 3 for dual channel! :confused:

[ r2 ]
11-14-2004, 09:08 AM
ok ocz in 1 and 2 and booster in 4?

but on the msi page it says i could put it in 1 and 3 for dual channel! :confused:

No 1&2 is dual and yeah booster in 4.

Th3__W00T_GuY__
11-14-2004, 10:29 AM
i got 2x 512 mb pc3200 ocz el platinum (selected ch-5) i put them in 1&2 for dual and oc'ing k thx

aonic
11-14-2004, 05:00 PM
how do you guys get 1.8++ vcore.. i cant get over 1.73 with 5.550 + 18.3%

split
11-14-2004, 05:19 PM
ok ocz in 1 and 2 and booster in 4?

but on the msi page it says i could put it in 1 and 3 for dual channel! :confused:
See post (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=585730#post585730).

Perc
11-14-2004, 05:25 PM
how do you guys get 1.8++ vcore.. i cant get over 1.73 with 5.550 + 18.3%


yeah good question. on this 1.41 bios it has a 1.55v with a max of 10% over vid im not so sure that even comes close to 1.8v??

peace perc,

aonic
11-14-2004, 06:14 PM
Wow, how about that.. before my board would not do 250.. and now it can boot 300*9..

here is a screenie before i made the chages in the bios
http://aonic.net/~oc/300.JPG

it wasnt stable @ 2.7 ghz with stock cooling and 1.744 vcore.. but it booted :p

Perc
11-14-2004, 06:54 PM
what did you do? you change th bios or what? please tell :)

thx perc,

[ r2 ]
11-14-2004, 07:25 PM
Wow, how about that.. before my board would not do 250.. and now it can boot 300*9..

here is a screenie before i made the chages in the bios
http://aonic.net/~oc/300.JPG

it wasnt stable @ 2.7 ghz with stock cooling and 1.744 vcore.. but it booted :p

Im also curious, what did you do in the bios?

[ r2 ]
11-14-2004, 07:48 PM
Well i was determined that my Neo2 was a dud so i decided to get a new one.
I picked up today Neo2 and 3200+ 90nm cpu, while i was there i thought ahhh why not. I was really after the 3500+ 90nm but unfortunatly Aus wont have them for another month atleast and my 3500+ 0.13 couldnt do 2.6 stable (0.5 Version).

Neo2 Ultra chip
0420A2
Korea :toast:

3200+
0441UPFW :D

So im expecting alot out of this combo, a guy in ocaus forums picked up a 3200+ 90nm and was able to do 2.75 stable on air.

Ill report later with few screenies just waiting on the xp-90 and Vantec Tornado Fan to arrive.

EDIT: Is it fine to put some AS5 on the NB? Should it cover the whole chip?
It doesnt look healthy what MSI uses :sick:

aonic
11-14-2004, 08:10 PM
what did you do? you change th bios or what? please tell :)

thx perc,


I upgraded to 1.36b bios and it was the same results.. so i went to work.. and when i come back. i was able to OC higher.. i guess it needed time to "burn-in" :toast:

one of these days im gona see if i got Taiwan or Korea chipset
anyway to findout without removing the NB fan?

i have a week 37 CPU btw

stealthbomber
11-15-2004, 10:27 AM
']So im expecting alot out of this combo, a guy in ocaus forums picked up a 3200+ 90nm and was able to do 2.75 stable on air.

Ill report later with few screenies just waiting on the xp-90 and Vantec Tornado Fan to arrive.

EDIT: Is it fine to put some AS5 on the NB? Should it cover the whole chip?
It doesnt look healthy what MSI uses :sick:

I have pretty much the same setup as you (replaced the tornado though), cleaned the NB up on my Neo2 board (so little paste!) and covered the whole chip with ceramique paste before refitting the stock HS/fan.

Once you have managed to find a stable overclock post your full load temps!

YoupY
11-15-2004, 03:13 PM
A nice find by Ratax : (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=600531&postcount=97)

the new 1.41 beta bios seems to fix the subzero bug for the msi :D

Garrett
11-15-2004, 03:30 PM
Now we need another new bios to correct the given voltage to the Winchester cpu's :(
0.1v undervolt anyone? :(

[ r2 ]
11-15-2004, 04:50 PM
I have pretty much the same setup as you (replaced the tornado though), cleaned the NB up on my Neo2 board (so little paste!) and covered the whole chip with ceramique paste before refitting the stock HS/fan.

Once you have managed to find a stable overclock post your full load temps!

Yeah i will post with my results, temps, issues and etc...

So you used ceramique paste, do you think arctic silver 5 will be alright to use on the NB?

Perc
11-15-2004, 05:05 PM
anyone have any wierd psu problems with this mb? i woke up this morning and my msi-fx system wont boot?? the psu is fine cause im using it in my intel system as i type this but it wont power up my msi anymore??

please see my thread if you have had any issues with your psu. im going crazzy trying to figure this out. the damm thing ran fine all weekend all i did was shut it off and go to sleep for 5 hours then when i woke up it wouldnt turn on??

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=45896

thx perc,

Vranichou
11-15-2004, 06:48 PM
I don't think the temps are horribly wrong. I think they are measured very close to the core before the heat has had a chance to dissapate into the heatsink. Notice that as soon as I shut off Prime95 the temps drop about 10C immediately.

http://home.comcast.net/~vranichou/prime-cpuz-cpucool.jpg

Does anyone know what PLL this mobo uses? As you can see my voltages are way off. I believe setting CPU cool to the right PLL will correct this.
I'm still tweaking this thing trying to get it stable. I have scored a 30s SuperPi time, but between the memory and the CPU I can't seem to get a grasp on what is causing errors. I'm going to run Memtest tomorrow at stock settings at 200 and 275MHz to make sure this memory is performing to specs. This is a pain compared to my 2600 Mobile system! Ahh.. But what fun!

-=Vran=-

stealthbomber
11-15-2004, 07:18 PM
anyone have any wierd psu problems with this mb? i woke up this morning and my msi-fx system wont boot?? the psu is fine cause im using it in my intel system as i type this but it wont power up my msi anymore??

please see my thread if you have had any issues with your psu. im going crazzy trying to figure this out. the damm thing ran fine all weekend all i did was shut it off and go to sleep for 5 hours then when i woke up it wouldnt turn on??

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=45896

thx perc,

I'm having the same problem, see here: http://forum.msi.com.tw/thread.php?threadid=66540

I figured out why not disable the USB keyboard and mouse support in the bios, seems to work so far... :mad: :mad: :mad:

stealthbomber
11-15-2004, 07:30 PM
']Yeah i will post with my results, temps, issues and etc...

So you used ceramique paste, do you think arctic silver 5 will be alright to use on the NB?

Yeah should be ok as long as you're very careful not to shorten the board with AS5, I used ceramique for both the CPU and NB since it's fully non conductive and many have found the performance is pretty much as good as their own AS5.

I don't think the NB chip is 100% flat so I applied a tiny bit extra paste at the centre and refitted the HS/fan before pushing down on it to make sure the paste would spread evenly, not safe if you are using AS5 since it only takes a tiny amount of excess paste to shorten the board.

[ r2 ]
11-15-2004, 07:36 PM
Yeah should be ok as long as you're very careful not to shorten the board with AS5, I used ceramique for both the CPU and NB since it's fully non conductive and many have found the performance is pretty much as good as their own AS5.

I don't think the NB chip is 100% flat so I applied a tiny bit extra paste at the centre and refitted the HS/fan before pushing down on it to make sure the paste would spread evenly, not safe if you are using AS5 since it only takes a tiny amount of excess paste to shorten the board.


Fair enough, ill use AS5 on the NB, ill just spread it using thin plastic or something.

swetmore1331
11-15-2004, 09:06 PM
Is there a way to control this with software? :bsod:

Th3__W00T_GuY__
11-16-2004, 03:24 AM
does the msi k8b neo2 platinum like the ocz pc 3200 el platinum with ch-5 chips (dual channel kit)?

[ r2 ]
11-16-2004, 05:46 AM
Well i have finished setting up the new Neo2 and 3200+

Man i had a handful, ran into issues with xp-90 and XL Pros. Having LED Activity Lights on the Pros, since the ram is higher then normal i couldnt fit my xp-90 in
So XL Pros Neo2 xp-90 combo is NO GO!!!

So i had to use my Venus for now, well maybe later ill get new ram.

Ok havent had any time to o/c, so what temps are you guys getting on 3200+ 90nm and Neo2. Bios reports 39c idle and Speedfan reports 34c. Well ill have to give a good 200Hrs for as5 to settle though and then i can compare.

Pretty pist that i cant use the xp-90 with Vantec tornado Fan, well using the fan right now on the side panel as intake, blowing right at the hsf. Man its fricking loud at full speed, thankfully my case has to fan contoller nobs.

Well so far so good, so can you guys post your cpu temps and sandra memory bandwith benchie. I got 5700/5660 something like that, use to get on the 3500+ 0.13 5900/5825 but thats 200Mhs faster.

Cheers,

funkflix
11-16-2004, 05:56 AM
33°C Idle and 48°C Load, 2750 MHz @ 1,55V. With 200 MHz on Rams i have
5850/5770 MB/s with Sandra. With 255 MHz @ Rams i have 7520/7440. :)

[ r2 ]
11-16-2004, 06:16 AM
33°C Idle and 48°C Load, 2750 MHz @ 1,55V. With 200 MHz on Rams i have
5850/5770 MB/s with Sandra. With 255 MHz @ Rams i have 7520/7440. :)

33c idle in bios?
Nice temps by the way, ahh just noticed that you not on air!

Hmmm...strange when i select vcore in bios 'Startup' the bios reports 1.36 so does cpu-z, is that normal or its just undervolting from 1.4?
http://arturd2.customer.netspace.net.au/Forums/cpu-z.JPG

At the above according to Speedfan the load temp is 46c while priming. Seems to high, maybe a bad mount but i doubt it, i think ill need some time for as5 to settle. What you guys think?

mad mikee
11-16-2004, 06:17 AM
Is there a way to control this with software? :bsod:

Works fine for me. :D

funkflix
11-16-2004, 06:21 AM
']33c idle in bios?
Nice temps by the way, ahh just noticed that you not on air!

Hmmm...strange when i select vcore in bios 'Startup' the bios reports 1.36 so does cpu-z, is that normal or its just undervolting from 1.4?

At the above according to Speedfan the load temp is 46c while priming. Seems to high, maybe a bad mount but i doubt it, i think ill need some time for as5 to settle. What you guys think?

In Bios it isn't @ Idle, but there i have 37°C. Other Temps was from Aida32/Everest. Dont think 46°C @ Load is that bad with air!;)

[ r2 ]
11-16-2004, 06:28 AM
In Bios it isn't @ Idle, but there i have 37°C. Other Temps was from Aida32/Everest. Dont think 46°C @ Load is that bad with air!;)

Yeah i dont mind it, the concern i have is that others temps are lower.
So im just thinking bad mount or time for as5 to settle?

Like for my 3500+ 0.13 cpu i got that @ 1.5 vcore, so it seems strange.

funkflix
11-16-2004, 06:32 AM
The 0,09nm cpus are a bit hotter then the 0,13nm, thats all normal!
Bcs the dies of the 0,09nm are bit smaller! ;)

saaya
11-16-2004, 07:13 AM
A nice find by Ratax : (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=600531&postcount=97)

the new 1.41 beta bios seems to fix the subzero bug for the msi :D

glad it works for you now :)

esdee
11-16-2004, 08:33 AM
Got this brand new MSI K8N Neo2 today,check out the stepping!!!
Still hot silicon. CPU will be here next week, and i can't wait to power on this baby!!!
Anyone has a stepping like this ? please post some OC results




So 1.41 fixes the subzero prob?How many can confirm that?

mikead_99
11-16-2004, 09:39 AM
Got this brand new MSI K8N Neo2 today,check out the stepping!!!
Still hot silicon. CPU will be here next week, and i can't wait to power on this baby!!!
Anyone has a stepping like this ? please post some OC results


I actually just replaced a 0420 Korea board with a 0442 Korea. (even "fresher" silicon!) Haven't put it under the Mach yet, but I can tell you my BH5 over 205MHz problem is gone, so that is a good sign.

edit to add: Purchased the board with the newer NF3 chipset from Newegg last week, after they restocked. :)

esdee
11-16-2004, 10:03 AM
I have a pair of DC KHX3200 BH-5 2x512...
i assume you are using a booster right?
can you remember the BIOS it comes with?I will run a winnie on it and im in no mood to hot flash it :-(

/me is happy

mikead_99
11-16-2004, 10:10 AM
I have a pair of DC KHX3200 BH-5 2x512...
i assume you are using a booster right?
can you remember the BIOS it comes with?I will run a winnie on it and im in no mood to hot flash it :-(

/me is happy

Booster at RMA atm. :( Only hitting 215 MHz without, but believe me, compared to 205 MHz max completely unstable, I can see that the BH5's are behaving like BH5's again.

RE: shipping bios. The new one shipped with 1.3, you should be fine with that. :toast:

edit to add: uh, yeah, the BH-5's are behaving. 215MHz is the max I can get them stable, regardless of voltage. Put a lot of bananas here. :mad:

esdee
11-16-2004, 11:21 AM
Thanks mikead_99

aonic
11-16-2004, 01:35 PM
I actually just replaced a 0420 Korea board with a 0442 Korea. (even "fresher" silicon!) Haven't put it under the Mach yet, but I can tell you my BH5 over 205MHz problem is gone, so that is a good sign.

edit to add: Purchased the board with the newer NF3 chipset from Newegg last week, after they restocked. :)

is there a way to find out the info about my chipset without taking off the NB Fan
:confused:

funkflix
11-16-2004, 01:58 PM
is there a way to find out the info about my chipset without taking off the NB Fan
:confused:

Nope! ;)

aonic
11-16-2004, 04:23 PM
Darn, my case blows.. taking out the mobo and puttin everything back with the zipties would take 2 hours.. i guess ill just stay with my mobo..

ive been able to boot @ 319 HTT does this mean im most likely a Korea chipset?

funkflix
11-16-2004, 04:35 PM
Don't think so! Can bench here without any probs @ 320HTT with an NB
produced 0411A2 Taiwan! ;)

aonic
11-16-2004, 08:21 PM
wow thats pretty nice.. so whats so great about the Korea?

esdee
11-16-2004, 11:32 PM
wow thats pretty nice.. so whats so great about the Korea?

It is said that NB from Korea (0418+ steppings) can run higher, i don't take that as a fact but as a higher possibility for the motherboard to run at high FSB. Ofcource there are some other things to consider, like the on-die controller or the RAM itself ...Thats why GravediggA is able to run that high

AGAIN i think that all these (steppings and counties) is JUST statistics
it doesn't mean that is impossible for a NB from taiwan to run high and vise versa... :toast:

p4z1f1st
11-17-2004, 04:00 AM
Don't think so! Can bench here without any probs @ 320HTT with an NB
produced 0411A2 Taiwan! ;)

yes, but the problem isn't running high HTT but running high 1:1 ;)

i mean, with sticks which are approved to run single with >300MHz ;)

(i told already at P3D, you know might ;))

funkflix
11-17-2004, 04:12 AM
Anyway, i don't think u are 100% sure to do higher 1:1 with an Korea
NB! Only one who say that was Onepagebook, and he is not the allmighty! ;)
What is with all the others, who can run ~ 300 MHz 1:1 with theirs Neo2s?
Dont think all of them have an NB newer then 0418 Korea. :)

PnoT
11-17-2004, 04:55 AM
Seen all the info i can stomach on this board and have had so many issues it's not even funny but i FINALLY have them all worked out except for the cold boot issue which should be fixed with the new beta bios that's out.
My particular board will not boot an agp card if it's pushed all the way into the agp socket. I have to ever so slightly pull the card up just a fraction for it to boot and i've tried 3 diff agp cards all doing the same thing. I've also experienced random reboots for no reason and finally found out that running dimm slots 3&4 ,instead of the 1&2, like all the faqs say has cured that problem with both sets of my bh-5. System is totally stable for a change. I was also having an issue with setting up 2 250gig hd's on IDE 1 (1 master/ 1 slave). Every time i would access the slave and run/open a file the system would reboot. I finally just moved it over to IDE2 with my dvd burner and said to hell with it :)

Anyway, i thought i'd share some issues and a few resolutions from my experiences with this board.

esdee
11-17-2004, 05:05 AM
Seen all the info i can stomach on this board and have had so many issues it's not even funny but i FINALLY have them all worked out except for the cold boot issue which should be fixed with the new beta bios that's out.
My particular board will not boot an agp card if it's pushed all the way into the agp socket. I have to ever so slightly pull the card up just a fraction for it to boot and i've tried 3 diff agp cards all doing the same thing. I've also experienced random reboots for no reason and finally found out that running dimm slots 3&4 ,instead of the 1&2, like all the faqs say has cured that problem with both sets of my bh-5. System is totally stable for a change. I was also having an issue with setting up 2 250gig hd's on IDE 1 (1 master/ 1 slave). Every time i would access the slave and run/open a file the system would reboot. I finally just moved it over to IDE2 with my dvd burner and said to hell with it :)

Anyway, i thought i'd share some issues and a few resolutions from my experiences with this board.



What BIOS are you using ?
Your Prommie works fine with the winchester too?

PnoT
11-17-2004, 05:29 AM
What BIOS are you using ?
Your Prommie works fine with the winchester too?

I'm using 1.36b but i've seen 3 people on here state that the 1.41 bios does indeed fix the cold boot issue. I'm going to seal mine back up tomorrow night and give it one last shot and i'll report back here on my own results. It's taken me 3 weeks to get this board solid and if my mach will run on it i'll be one happy camper. :)

esdee
11-17-2004, 05:40 AM
I'm using 1.36b but i've seen 3 people on here state that the 1.41 bios does indeed fix the cold boot issue. I'm going to seal mine back up tomorrow night and give it one last shot and i'll report back here on my own results. It's taken me 3 weeks to get this board solid and if my mach will run on it i'll be one happy camper. :)

:toast:

I wish you luck , may the force be with you!


/EDIT : May the nForce be with YOU!

aonic
11-17-2004, 08:43 AM
When i tell CoreCenter to run 1.85vcore it only gives my 1.74.. but I notice when i do this my +12v goes to 11.50.. is my PSU holding back my vcore?

[ r2 ]
11-17-2004, 08:54 AM
Well even if i dont o/c my +12V rail is 11.91 according to the bios!
Im using Tt 560W PSU and the +12V is only 28A, so this might be holding back my o/c.

Well i was having all sort of problems with XL Pros cant do past 210HTT 1:1 stable. I can past memtest at 250Mhz 2.5-3-3-7 1T timings though, so i was really confused. This was happeing with 2 cpus, 3500+ Newcastle and 3200+ Winchester. 2 different Neo2s.
So i just picked some 3700 EBs, ill see if i can o/c 1:1 now, i know the EBs are capable of doing 240Mhz 3-2-2-6 1T timings and this is the first settings im going to run. If im still having problems than the only thing standing in the way is the PSU.

aonic
11-17-2004, 09:33 AM
good luck..

problem:
when i try to run Western Digital's LifeGaurd tool to erase my HD.. the program freezes @ "Virtual Disk Drive" part.. what should I do?
this is also a case with may other tools like Boot and NUKE it freezes while its loadin the linux images

xgman
11-17-2004, 10:47 AM
I have a NEO2 that says 0440A2 on the Chipset, but it's a Taiwan. No good? or anything after 0418 is good overclocker regardless Taiwan or Korea? Anyone know?

aonic
11-17-2004, 11:58 AM
it doesnt matter what it is. just see if it OC's good

swetmore1331
11-17-2004, 03:18 PM
I hooked up the Northbridge fan on my Fan Controller and dropped the RPMs. Added a huge glob of heatsink compund. All is nice and and stable. I hate fan noise. I am running an Aquirius 2 water cooler on the CPU and 9800. This little water cooler works really well on this rig. I even crank the rpm's down on the radiator fan. Ahhhhhh quite. Only noise I hear are my hard drives. All is stable and quite.

3200 Winchester, MSI K8N Neo2
250 x 10 @ 1.7 volts

Garrett
11-17-2004, 03:36 PM
Quiet systems aren't very Xtreme ;) lol
I want it as loud @ possible when benching :D

funkflix
11-17-2004, 03:38 PM
I've made an little Overclockingguide for MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum. There are
so many questions about it (not only at this forum), that i thought it's an good
idea. :)

Here ist the link (right klick and download/ use WordPad or something to open it): http://people.freenet.de/funkflix/ocgk8n.txt

It's not very good, but i think some "newbie" should help this a bit! :)

sN1b3r
11-17-2004, 03:43 PM
It is said that NB from Korea (0418+ steppings) can run higher, i don't take that as a fact but as a higher possibility for the motherboard to run at high FSB. Ofcource there are some other things to consider, like the on-die controller or the RAM itself ...Thats why GravediggA is able to run that high

I have a 0410 NB and it's complete sh*t. It needed to be voltmodded to pass 260Mhz and reached 290Mhz at 1.85v. Then it craps out again (on 1T at least).

aonic
11-17-2004, 04:47 PM
maybe its your ram?
try settin your ram speed lower

Byron
11-18-2004, 03:48 PM
Excuse me guys, just bought an MSI NEO2 mobo, can't do more than 220fsb's with bios 1.30 (original), i've downloaded the modded bioses but i don't know how to install them through windows, is there a way ? if yes please tell me how.
Thanks,
B

split
11-18-2004, 04:03 PM
Everyone has their own way of doing it, but see thread (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44481&highlight=floppy) for some ideas.

Byron
11-18-2004, 04:12 PM
Thanks man will have a look at it :)

YoupY
11-19-2004, 09:31 AM
After a while of testing my conclusion is the beta bios 1.41 sucks. Somehow I can't get over 250 no matter what type of mem I use (EB's, TCCD's, BH5's). However with the modded version of 1.37 I got upto an easy 270 1:1, and probally faster with TCCD's

Byron
11-19-2004, 10:16 AM
will try the mod1.37 (i think that is one of trats bioses?) later on tonight and will report results as well.

Ratax
11-19-2004, 11:40 AM
I also have some problems higher than 260HTT with my mem's (BH5, EB).
This bios (1.4B1) solved my cold temps problems, but I think it's not so good with overclocking...

My BH5 don't want more than 3,4 - 3,5v in this board. With my "old" Giga K8N Pro, they run smooth at 261Mhz 1:1 with 3,6v...

NiCKE^
11-19-2004, 12:43 PM
I got a "Huge" problem! I got my memory today so I started to clock and ended my first clock with this: http://w1.971.telia.com/~u97102906/2.3ghz.jpg
then I mixed some settings in bios and now I cant get over 233FSB at all. Its so sick. I've tried to reset the sh*t and stuff but it wont work. I dont got a single clue why I can do a thing. ADATA Vitesta PC4000 DDR500 2x512, AMD A64 3200+ Winchester @ stock cooling and a old TNT2 card. Would be happy if someone could help me. Im currently using the newest bios 1.41.

conrad.maranan
11-19-2004, 01:53 PM
TNT2 card = old AGP specification.

If I'm not mistaken, the newer AGP requires about half the voltage of the first generation AGP. Try using the 9600XT you have in your sig.

NiCKE^
11-19-2004, 02:13 PM
Its pretty dead so I cant do something with it =( So it would be good to raise the volt for the agp to the card?

conrad.maranan
11-19-2004, 02:34 PM
No. First generation AGP is not compatible with motherboards that comply with the newer AGP specification.

NiCKE^
11-19-2004, 03:01 PM
Well Im up and running and still clocking, 2.4ghz now and going higher with my baby :D Just had to reset cmos again :P

Orker
11-19-2004, 03:24 PM
im just having no love with this mobo.. it doesnt want to give me a good overclock :(

Im not prime stable at 3-2-2-11 1T 2.85vdimm 5/6 ram divider

9.5x 275mhz 3500+ 90nm @ 2600mhz

i have ocz 3700EB and ive been reading through this thread and apparently this mobo doesnt like it

my best 3dmark03 score was 13000 and thats at a prime unstable level :(

what settings can i do to make this work? different ram? looser timings? im pretty sure its the ram holding me back

aonic
11-19-2004, 03:49 PM
can anyone tell me how to remove the NB fan ?
i tryed to do it, but failed

NiCKE^
11-19-2004, 04:02 PM
can anyone tell me how to remove the NB fan ?
i tryed to do it, but failed

It's not that hard, Push out the pluggs on the backside, squeeze the "hooks" together and pull it throught the hole :D Dont know if you understand me but I cant give you a better explaination :D

Orker
11-19-2004, 04:39 PM
I don't think the temps are horribly wrong. I think they are measured very close to the core before the heat has had a chance to dissapate into the heatsink. Notice that as soon as I shut off Prime95 the temps drop about 10C immediately.

http://home.comcast.net/~vranichou/prime-cpuz-cpucool.jpg

Does anyone know what PLL this mobo uses? As you can see my voltages are way off. I believe setting CPU cool to the right PLL will correct this.
I'm still tweaking this thing trying to get it stable. I have scored a 30s SuperPi time, but between the memory and the CPU I can't seem to get a grasp on what is causing errors. I'm going to run Memtest tomorrow at stock settings at 200 and 275MHz to make sure this memory is performing to specs. This is a pain compared to my 2600 Mobile system! Ahh.. But what fun!

-=Vran=-

hey i have an almost identical rig to you except ram .. what 3dmark03 score do you get? thx

aonic
11-19-2004, 04:40 PM
It's not that hard, Push out the pluggs on the backside, squeeze the "hooks" together and pull it throught the hole :D Dont know if you understand me but I cant give you a better explaination :D

o ok thx :p

|-jokker-|
11-19-2004, 05:45 PM
Can anyone help me .
I wish to ask for the links to the donwload location of the several bios that exist to the msi k8n neo 2 .
Ou the thread :D

Cumps guys

I was a good idea to put in the first post all the links for the bios download´s , don´t you think ?

mike.elmes
11-19-2004, 06:09 PM
im just having no love with this mobo.. it doesnt want to give me a good overclock :(

Im not prime stable at 3-2-2-11 1T 2.85vdimm 5/6 ram divider

9.5x 275mhz 3500+ 90nm @ 2600mhz

i have ocz 3700EB and ive been reading through this thread and apparently this mobo doesnt like it

my best 3dmark03 score was 13000 and thats at a prime unstable level :(

what settings can i do to make this work? different ram? looser timings? im pretty sure its the ram holding me back
You will need a Ram Booster with EB to go far. I burned out the Pot on my new Booster giving the EB the juice.... :D With the Ram Booster you should feed the EB around 3.0-3.2Volts or it will not do well on this board. I have given up and ordered some Gskill ram that can run high htt on lower voltage and better timings. :)

split
11-19-2004, 06:43 PM
Can anyone help me .
I wish to ask for the links to the donwload location of the several bios that exist to the msi k8n neo 2 .
Ou the thread :D

Cumps guys

I was a good idea to put in the first post all the links for the bios download´s , don´t you think ?

http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html

Bookmark it :)

Orker
11-19-2004, 06:49 PM
You will need a Ram Booster with EB to go far. I burned out the Pot on my new Booster giving the EB the juice.... :D With the Ram Booster you should feed the EB around 3.0-3.2Volts or it will not do well on this board. I have given up and ordered some Gskill ram that can run high htt on lower voltage and better timings. :)

Thanks for that :) so if i got the ddr ram booster what settings should i aim for ?

3-2-2-11 vdimm 3.1 @1:1 11x 240 @2640mhz? coz thats where i want to be :)

|-jokker-|
11-19-2004, 07:25 PM
@ split

Thkx man , where all those bios tested ?
Thank , once more :D

esuyengh
11-19-2004, 10:01 PM
Hi,

I just started playing with a new MSI K8N Neo2 and a Athlon 64 3200+ Winchester. The last time I oc'ed an AMD was with an old Athlon XP so am fairly new to the 64's. I've really enjoyed the combination but have hit a very strange wall. Since I do not yet have my OCZ ram, I am using the old Geil Ultra Platinum PC4000 dual channel set in my system, so I have to run the memory at 133 (otherwise I can barely boot past 220) to test out the CPU.

I have so far reached 295 x 9 at HT 3x (memory at effective 190 MHz and 1T). But as soon as I try pushing to 300 x 9, my system won't boot. In fact, I don't even get a post screen and At 295 I can boot into windows and run Super Pi without any stability issues; Prime 95 does eventually crash out but does so randomly (one time at 5 minutes and another at 30), leading me to believe I should run at slightly less than 295 for gaming. Plus, 295 x 9 is achieved at stock voltages for the CPU. Do you think I hit a wall? Or might I have a setting wrong? I haven't yet tried dropping to 300 X 8, although I question whether that would be that helpful since I'd drop from 2.65 GHz down to 2.4 GHz for just 5 MHz of fsb. But I would like to hit 300 just for kicks and then scale back for gaming.

In a way this is just moot because I know with my OCZ's at 1:1 I will probably not make it to 295. Anyways, thanks for any suggestions.

funkflix
11-20-2004, 12:51 AM
@ split

Thkx man , where all those bios tested ?
Thank , once more :D

For me it seems that the 1.36b ist the best for me! (High Vdimm + BH5)

:)

NiCKE^
11-20-2004, 03:41 AM
But it also got 2.85 as the highest right?

funkflix
11-20-2004, 03:44 AM
Yes! But i have modded my board. ;)

NiCKE^
11-20-2004, 04:36 AM
Did you do the 3.3v rail mod? Wonder if ADATA Vitesta DDR500 want some more volt then 2.85v.