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Mehran
09-23-2005, 11:46 AM
1.45v is the max you can select, then the % over that value. I run 1.45v with 3.3% added to give me 1.475v.

Thanx for your help.
I'm pretty confused about this mobo's voltages!

Mehran
09-23-2005, 11:47 AM
where memtest might indicate that you memory is ok, prime95 might fail. Prime is more sensitive to memory errors then memtest. If you can't get it stable at 2.7, then why are you going for 2.8??! :stick:

I think you've hit the limit of your chip on on your cooling, or it need more voltage. Not all chips clock the same, even with identical steppings

Nope. Prime is OK too. and that's what I wanna know.
Why it's not stable at 2700?!
I first need to find a way to get it stable (With your help of course) and then I go for 2800! :D
And about cooling again no. I'm pretty sure it is running cool.
Need more Voltage?! Are u kidding? I tried 1.80 too! :nono:

el rolio
09-23-2005, 12:30 PM
ok guys, so i upgraded to TCCD memory as you know and also finished replacing my psu fan AND also tried out that 81mhz on agp thing and its pretty cool, got a bit faster. question: does this affect the sata? is it locked still if i use that 81mhz agp setting?



http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload3/biosbild.jpg

ok so about that pic: i upgraded from the 1.8nfm bios to the 1.b sideeffect tccd mod. now i have all these options for ram and i want to need to tune my ram better. what should i do with those above the red line (besides the 2.5-3-3 that ive already set?) im running at 250 1:1 now and.... i'll take pics later. in the meantime i set them to auto like in this pic, but they came at 2t and i wasnt sure what to do with em.

el rolio
09-23-2005, 06:54 PM
ok stability issues, i again had to go back to my 1.8(modv3) bios by nfm..... hmm

now i gotta figure the best way to tune my tccd for stability and to match my cpu OC.

Losphoron
09-24-2005, 02:06 AM
hello
Just solved my crashes in games..Now i got back to OC both the cpu and the vga.With the system in my signature i got it stable now at 260x9 and htt 3x but with 8.0% over the default cpu vcore..I run some bechmarks (3dmark) and played some games like nfsu2 and runned perfectly...I will try today to get more but this is already a huge bonus got with a DDR333 bank..the timings now are 2.5,3,3,7.I am very happy with this system..I begin to reach higher frequencies with pretty cheap memory banks..Soon i will change the DDR333 bank and i hope some dual channel will begin the journey..

Mehran
09-24-2005, 04:22 AM
For the screen shot in my sig while running 2850MHz I had it set to 1.45 + 5%. Which makes it about 1.5v for me.

Now for 24/7 I run it at 2800 1.425 + 3.3%

You sure ur chip is the same exact stepping as mine tho? If it really is u have the worst clocking APAW I've seen yet :P

What kind of cooling do u have? Temps?

If you need 1.7v to post at 2700, I say ur reaching the max of something.
Thx.
I'm pretty sure it's the same as u. 3200+ Venice, Part number: ADA3200DAA4BP
The cooling just don't laugh but I think nice:
Stock cooling. I however applied some kinda strange paste which keeps it very cool.
@ Default: 2000MHz, 1.4v, Idle = 19C, Heavy load 100% = 34C!
And btw in a review they overclocked a 3000 Venice to 2.8 with default voltages and stock cooling.
So what shoud I do?
Thx in advance.

Mehran
09-24-2005, 04:24 AM
btw I have a 6800NU should I set that AGPFreq. @ 81 too?
Does that really make a diffrence?
I hate 3DMark 2005 coz the max score I could achive was 4700!
Others more than 5000!

pazza316
09-24-2005, 05:53 AM
Has anyone else here had problems with A64 tweaker applying settings on start up to this board. Mine applies settings but they are not the ones I set!! . I have tried several versions of A64 Tweaker. Which bios if any solves this problem?

sideeffect
09-24-2005, 07:33 AM
A64 tweaker 0.31 is the only official version the other 2 versions are beta Codered states that at his site.

Only 0.31 works on startup.

Mehran
09-24-2005, 12:23 PM
So?!?!?! Any suggestions for me then?!

sideeffect
09-24-2005, 12:54 PM
It really depends Mehran It helps under certain circumstances. The only way your going to know if it helps you or not is by testing yourself. Use ATItools artifact scanner to scan for artifacts at 66 mhz agp freq then keep upping the core clock until u get artifacts.

then use Nforce 3 tweaker to change fsb freq to 81 mhz and run ATI tool again. If the artifacts have gone then it has helped you.

Special_K
09-24-2005, 12:59 PM
hello sideeffect

are you running 2x1GB of Ballistix?

hello Mehran

take a look at this thread (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62353) for o/c on the venice

el rolio
09-25-2005, 12:12 AM
man i think the 81 mhz on the agp, tho givin me good bench scores... corrupted my hdd's i think. i spent all last night and this mornin cleanin up the mess and had to boot to windows recovery console to run a chkdsk. :( back to 66 for meeee

D3kMatrix
09-25-2005, 12:25 AM
man i think the 81 mhz on the agp, tho givin me good bench scores... corrupted my hdd's i think. i spent all last night and this mornin cleanin up the mess and had to boot to windows recovery console to run a chkdsk. :( back to 66 for meeee

Thats really surpising since raising the AGP bus to 81MHz is only a 7.5MHz increase on the PCI/IDE bus. Normally not anywhere close to currupting HDD's.
Maybe it was something else. Were You testing new ram timings or anything? Any power outages latly?

Losphoron
09-25-2005, 01:14 AM
Matrix is that your girl from the avatar ? :P

D3kMatrix
09-25-2005, 01:40 AM
Matrix is that your girl from the avatar ? :P

I wish :P

I think it's Jenifer Lopez.

ridczak
09-25-2005, 03:34 AM
I have a "small" problem with my new config (Venice 3000+ E6 0535). It goes like that:

1. CPU - 2700@~1,6V RAM divider 133 (as I can remember) - so memory ~192MHz - stable*

So, I made Vdimm mod (3.3V directly from PSU line - it's BH-5). I'm not sure how much it is exactly, tomorrow I'm taking an multimeter from my company and measure the real voltage. In BIOS it says 3.27V. I made following tests (all cl2 2 2 5 1t):

2. CPU 4x250, Ram divider 200 (250MHz cl2 2 2 5) memtest86 passed, winxp starts & is stable*

So, it's working. Being happy I try:

3. 9x280 (2520 not too stressful), RAM 166 (~229MHz cl2 2 2 5) and NOTHING. Even Windows does't want to boot, it crashes just while booting or at the beginning. Ram divider 150 & also nothing.

So, maybe dividers make this mess:

4. 9x250 (9x245) RAM 200 (250/245MHz cl2 2 2 5) and nothing again. With 250MHz only clear cmos jumper helps. With 240 it seems a bit better, Windows starts but is no stable at all.

5. Now 9x270 RAM 166 (~220MHz cl2 2 2 5) and nothing again. Superpi 32M - BSOD after a while.

Now the main question: what is going on? (WTF? ;)) RAM seems to work fine with 250MHz cl2225 but only with CPU working with low multiplier. With standard 9x multiplier they cannot do even 220MHz. Is it caused by:

1. PSU not giving enough V on 3.3V line with more stress? (I'm going to measure it tomorrow, in BIS it stays 3.26 - 3-28V). Is it possible to increase 3.3V line in this Enermax? Maybe it will help to use OCZ DDR booster instead of Vdimm mod.

2. Memory controller in my Venice is a piece of crap/:banana::banana::banana::banana: and with higher clock its performance degrades and it cannot work with so fast memory.

3. This RAM is a piece of crap - however I don't think so. The mainboard is bad or doesn't cooperate with this ram well - however people make on this board and RAM ~250MHz.

* Stable - at the moment Superpi 16M/32M is enough for me

ps. Bioses: 1.B from Sideeffect, 1.36mod (1T), 1.8mod
ps2. HTTx3, voltage on CPU is enough (it doesn't seem to be a case here), tried RAM in both channels.

TMM
09-25-2005, 03:44 AM
Sometimes Athlon64's don't like to run high HTTs on certain dividers. over 280, i can't even POST with a 133 mem divider, but 100 and 166 work (can't do 200 as my mem won't do 280, lol). Some cpus allow a higher CPU clock when the ram clock is low, and a higher ram clock when the CPU clock is low.

Losphoron
09-25-2005, 04:52 AM
I wish :P

I think it's Jenifer Lopez.

jenifer Lopez SUCKS.....I prefer Laetitia Casta thousands of times...Anyway i don't think that is J LO ... That girl in the pic is more prety and the body looks more ...intersting

ridczak
09-25-2005, 07:49 AM
Sometimes Athlon64's don't like to run high HTTs on certain dividers. over 280, i can't even POST with a 133 mem divider, but 100 and 166 work (can't do 200 as my mem won't do 280, lol). Some cpus allow a higher CPU clock when the ram clock is low, and a higher ram clock when the CPU clock is low.

So, probably mem controller in CPU. :( It would explain why it makes 250 1:1 with lower multiplier and cannot boot with 9x. No good. I will have to test it more... :stick:

Mehran
09-25-2005, 10:18 AM
It really depends Mehran It helps under certain circumstances. The only way your going to know if it helps you or not is by testing yourself. Use ATItools artifact scanner to scan for artifacts at 66 mhz agp freq then keep upping the core clock until u get artifacts.

then use Nforce 3 tweaker to change fsb freq to 81 mhz and run ATI tool again. If the artifacts have gone then it has helped you.

Thx, I think the best for me now is 71. I will test again with other freq.s.
Thanx for your help.

Mehran
09-25-2005, 10:19 AM
hello sideeffect

are you running 2x1GB of Ballistix?

hello Mehran

take a look at this thread (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?
t=62353) for o/c on the venice

Thx special. ;)

Mehran
09-25-2005, 10:33 AM
BTW do I have to detach my CPU in order to find out that number?
For example : LBBLE 0515APAW

ridczak
09-25-2005, 11:22 AM
BTW do I have to detach my CPU in order to find out that number?
For example : LBBLE 0515APAW

Yes

sideeffect
09-25-2005, 11:47 AM
I use 2 x 512 mb ballistix.

Also rasing the AGP bus doesnt raise the pci bus the pci bus is locked. The disk drives go through the pci bus not the AGP bus so raising the AGP bus wouldnt corrupt your harddrives.

If you open up nforce 3 clockgen and raise the agp bus you will see the pci bus stays locked at 33.3 mhz.

The nforce 3 has independant busses unlike the Via chipsets that use dividers.

TMM
09-25-2005, 08:14 PM
BTW do I have to detach my CPU in order to find out that number?
For example : LBBLE 0515APAW
You have to remove your heatsink, yes. the number's ontop of the heatspreader and nowhere else.

Millyons
09-26-2005, 01:50 AM
guys is anyone using G.Skill 4400LE 2x512 TCCD sticks with Neo2 and e3 venice, im having a a hell of a time setting them up, checked g.skill threads and i just cant get them to work stable even at stock.........................weird thing about them is that even on a DFI and a Sanddy thay got truble being stable at 275mhz but they do 300mhz at same settings stable :confused: :confused: :confused: and on Neo2 and my Venice at 290 i got to 9nth loop of 1mb PI and on 275 instant crash LOL

......ah ya also either my CPU or my mobo died last night when i was playing with the ramm and settings in windows at 290 (all voltages whitin normal range) i just changed Trcd to 4 got a BSOD and no more boot....i took off everything and cleared the bios without the battery and psu unpluged overnight and nothing......the four leds on the bracket are showing all red (well one looks like orangy not red)

im starting to wonder am i that unlucky to have 2 crappy cpus (one was really really e6 crapy) or a bad mobo or im i just dumb since i cant get either 3 sets of 2x512 mb BH5, 2x256 OCZ CH5 (that do 250ish at 3.4) and a set of G.Skill TCCD to work at decent speeds.........ah ya mobo was volt modded for the BH5 but the mod taken of for the TCCD

ridczak
09-26-2005, 02:58 AM
i cannot run my BH-5 either (see may previous post). Tried yesteday 1:1 cl2225 with 240x9 - crash when posting, 230x9 - windows restarts before it boots, 220 - windows boots but crasches instantly after logon, 210 - windows freezes. 200x9 seems OK.

Mobo is Vdimm modded. So bad CPU? So bad memory? Today I check Vdimm voltage with a good multimeter,

Millyons
09-26-2005, 04:10 AM
i also had the vdimm mod and i got 2 sets of Ocz gold, and i couldnt get them 100% stable @ 240 2-2-2-5 at 3.4v prime would fail after couple hours, i also got a 2x512mb set of old KHX bh5 that can do 240@3.2v 2T on a nf2 an7 and barton, and could do 230@3.2 1T on a epox with newcastle, but on this i cant get them stable at 230 even with 3.5v.....thats with 2 venuce cpus (both crappy though) so i don't know if its the cpus or mobo........oh ya droping the multi didnt help either

vrobec
09-26-2005, 04:11 AM
I have my Venice 3000+ 2*290 stable in Prime95, SuperPI and 3DMark2001, only freezes in 3Dmark03 Ragtroll test looping (I think it's vertex shader test).
I'm using Leadtek 6600GT on stock frequencies. In BIOS NV speed disabled, Fastwrite also.

What it could be?

TMM
09-26-2005, 04:26 AM
try LDT = 3x and vAGP = 1.6 or 1.65

ridczak
09-26-2005, 04:37 AM
........oh ya droping the multi didnt help either

With me 4x250 1:1 seems ok, but just 6x250 crashes...

Mehran
09-26-2005, 04:59 AM
Yes

Thx to u and TMM also.
I think I made a mistake.
mine is LBBLE 0519 APAW.
How is that?!
It wasn't in that list special gave me.
Du know how it can handle overclocking? :confused:

Millyons
09-26-2005, 05:03 AM
With me 4x250 1:1 seems ok, but just 6x250 crashes...



i see your cpu is a 0535, mabey the new ones just have crappy mem controlers, i tested with a 0533 (max stable 2600) and a e6 0528 (max stable 24xx :) )

ridczak
09-26-2005, 05:09 AM
i see your cpu is a 0535, mabey the new ones just have crappy mem controlers, i tested with a 0533 (max stable 2600) and a e6 0528 (max stable 24xx :) )

I think so, because the mobo & ocz gold rather cannot be so crappy ;) Hopefully I will get my hands on Opteron 144 in some time and we will see then. For now I'm going to stay with lower clock on mem, play with some other bioses & eventually measure this 3.3V voltage.

Millyons
09-26-2005, 07:07 AM
my vdimm with the mod and enermax 430w psu (modded also) at like 3.4v would drop to 3.3v under memtest #5 and in win would be 3.8 idle and 3.6 prime big fft. but the atx connector point that i was running the vdimm off was always 3.4v

TMM
09-26-2005, 07:55 AM
LBBLE 0519 APAW.

thats a pretty good stepping afaik. Should do 2.6-2.8 on air :)

el rolio
09-26-2005, 09:39 AM
well guys, (se and whoever else replied to mee specifically)

note well im using SATA drives on SATA 3 and SATA 4 of course. now it could well be the ram being paged and sending corrupt stuff. lemme give you the weekend recap rundown if you dont mind. before i do tho, i do remember lots of talk from the pre 1.5 bios days of whether you had to set agp to 66 or 67 to lock the pci and make sure it was async.... lemme know if thats tru or not. also note that ALL of this happens at 250 htt. 250x10 is what my cpu has been running at since the beginning of the year and thru any bios or ram or watercoolin upgrade its what i strive to achive my stability with.

alrighty. got the TCCD last week to replace my bh-5 since i gave up on the combination of the bh-5 + ddr booster + neo2 + silence. fine

messed around with the tccd. lots to learn here. aint so simple to clock like the bh-5 was (up voltage and go go go).
eventually got quick memtest to pass a few times when i tried the wacky thought of 2.5-3-3-10 @ 250 with 2.6v. ran memtest over night to confirm, was workin somewhat. SUPER-PI fails immediately and locks up prompting a error report send off. thats pretty important to what happens over the weekend.

what happens next? i think, oh hmm, lemme holla at SE's tccd modded bios. previously, any bios after the 1,8mod3 nfm version didnt work that great.. but who knows, maybe it will now.

upgrade to 1.b tccd SE bios. set memtest again. looking great.

up agp to 81mhz, check my 6800 clocks... change mem by 25 mhz. get higher test scores. totally awesome. use machine as normal. get random windows explorer crashes, then when the error report thing pops up, it crashes prompting me to send error report about Drdaemon or whatever the "Dr" progrma is that does bugsolving.

decide at work on friday that windwos media center edition is awesome, i see lots of OEMs shipping it on their gaming systems... i can upgrade one of my dual boots to it. i choose to upgrade my clock testing boot. cd is bad, upgrade if fuxored.

eventually do a clean install and all that on this boot, with a good cd. other boot still messed up, chkdsk reports mad errors. boot to dos mode and chkdsk /f that mofo. in that REGULAR boot, i open the super pi folder and it runs.

but in the media center boot it doesnt want to run.

at some point during all of this, i again mess around with a few ram settings, get back to 1.8nfm bios since its the only one that works it seems on my winnie and crashes stop happening.

i eventually settle it at 2.5-4-4-10 @ 250htt with 2.6v. agp is back to 66. chkdsk and diskeeper defrags have been run on both boots.

++++++
so thats as best in chronological order i could remember. im thinkin either the mem wasnt stable, makin super pi crash (the only program to do so consistently.... other random thigns crashed whenever they wanted)..... or the hdds got corrupted becuz of bad memery or bad agp 81mhz..... and i know for sure that, yet again, the 1.8mod3 nfm bios was the only one that worked well for me.

what yall think? wanna clear up any misconceptions i got goin on here? my computer wasnt fully workin for much of this weekend and that sucks, plus i havent had this kinda crash problems since before i got this system. i been used to the stability and NOT using my regualr boot until i get ma stability. no hdd probs at all. i dunno, im just not pleased with system wide probs cuz usually i might work on one part if that. and the only new thing was the ram, which made me try new bioses (never gave a prob before either so back to the ram?) and then the agp 81

Losphoron
09-26-2005, 10:29 AM
el rolio..you missed your sex life ....To answer your question we must know about this also..

a little question: how can i set the CPU VCore to 1.9v without Corecell?

Mehran
09-26-2005, 11:12 AM
thats a pretty good stepping afaik. Should do 2.6-2.8 on air :)

Unfortunatly I can hardly now get it stable at 2635! :stick:
What's wrong?
I mean I can't get it stable at 2700 even with 1.78 V!
:( What should I do?!

sideeffect
09-26-2005, 11:28 AM
el rolio..you missed your sex life ....To answer your question we must know about this also..

a little question: how can i set the CPU VCore to 1.9v without Corecell?

LOL yes we need more smut in this forum.

ZeroSanity
09-26-2005, 11:46 AM
Hi all! Most of you won't remember, but i had an issue with my old board a while back (the keyboard controller chip was borked). Anyway, i got a replacement today and am amazed at the clockability of this 2gb kit of ballistix. However, i am experiencing artifacts in 3d apps whenever i use a high fsb (270+). I guess that the agp/pci lock isn't working?

I'm using the 1.b bios modded for ballistix by sideeffect and am running clockgen to OC the ram/cpu. I have yet to try another bios.. i also thought that changing the agp freq to 67mhz like in the old days might fix it but but still no go.

Anyone else experienced this issue before?

el rolio
09-26-2005, 11:47 AM
aiit well there was no sex this weekend, too stressed for that, but did meet 2 new chicks, had one sleep over on sat night and have a diff one visitin i think end of october.....

now back to ma computer! :P

sideeffect
09-26-2005, 12:13 PM
Hi all! Most of you won't remember, but i had an issue with my old board a while back (the keyboard controller chip was borked). Anyway, i got a replacement today and am amazed at the clockability of this 2gb kit of ballistix. However, i am experiencing artifacts in 3d apps whenever i use a high fsb (270+). I guess that the agp/pci lock isn't working?

I'm using the 1.b bios modded for ballistix by sideeffect and am running clockgen to OC the ram/cpu. I have yet to try another bios.. i also thought that changing the agp freq to 67mhz like in the old days might fix it but but still no go.

Anyone else experienced this issue before?


Im not sure but i wouldnt think that artifacts would be caused by high HTT. Ussually the graphics card alone would cause the artifacts because its overclocked to much. Lets say the locks are not taking place Nvidia cards still will take up to 100 mhz on the agp bus. The hard disk would give out before the card would. So i am lead to believe the locks are working.

Is the graphics card at stock speeds? Try setting vagp volts of 1.65 volts. Im thinking possibly that the more you overclock the cpu the less power the video card has and so is artifacting maybe ...

Bit of a lame guess but you should test things like highest cpu/HTT overclock at a low gpu clock without artifacts. then highest gpu overclock without artifacts at a lower cpu/ htt level.

On my motherboard im certain the locks are taking place. I dont know though if all boards have working pci locks or not.

ZeroSanity
09-26-2005, 12:17 PM
Hmm, well i lowered the gpu clocks to way below stock and i get the same problem when i enable the cpu/ram OC. That voltage scenario you mentioned sounds convincing though, ill try that now ;) .

sideeffect
09-26-2005, 12:17 PM
el rolio 250 2.5-4-4- isnt very good for tccd. Im thinking maybe your winchester has a bad memory controller and thats what was causing the instability and the corrupt disk drives.

Try and to tighten the timings up a bit to 2.5-3-3 if you can. Some tccd likes low voltage like 2.65 - 2.7 and wont work at high voltage some tccd likes 2.85 - 2.9 volts and is not so good at low voltage.

Try all voltage settings and use memtest in dos to work out your max mem speed.

ZeroSanity
09-26-2005, 12:23 PM
Right, raised the agp volts to 1.65 and still the same problem, this is real strange because as soon as i lower the clocks to the cpu everything runs fine again.

One thing that i am 110% sure of... it's definately not a colling issue. ;)

Any ideas?

ZeroSanity
09-26-2005, 12:28 PM
Just discovered that the system is fine up to 260 fsb, anything over causes these artifacts.

sideeffect
09-26-2005, 12:53 PM
is this 260 HTT with 260 mhz ram speed or 260 HTT with the ram on a divider?

el rolio
09-26-2005, 02:35 PM
well back on page 120 this is what i said:


hey guys, so i replaced my bh-5 with some tccd (ocz platinum rev2). so these clock different. first night of testing with memtest reveals that im good with 2-2-2 up to 210 but it seems nothing works after that. i get errors at the end of test 5 for 215 x 2-2-2, and even before all that i was trying with 2.5-3-3. i even tried 3-4-4. what am i supposed to do? should i try a diff bios than 1.8nfm? im on a winchester 3200.


ohhhhk, well would you look at this. after posting i went back and tried diff settings changin one at a time.

what was my result? 250x10 on cpu, ram auto-2.5-3-3-10 2.6v. thats right, i watched how the errors were popping up and reduced the ram voltage to TWO POINT SIX. so i guess i'll go ahead and prime this for a few hours to see for sure.
the sandra bandwith is up big time now from my bh-5 which was voltage and heat limited to damn near 7000.

incidentally i tried out some diff cpu voltages thinkin that maybe running 1:1 would stress this here winchester mem controller but actually im back at my 1.45(.55 in bios) x 5.0% setting. producing 1.504v in cpuz (which sometimes reads 1.52 for a sec then back to 1.504)
by my calculator 1.45 + 5%(0.0725) = 1.5225 go figure

quick note, later i remembered that the +5% wasnt my stable 24 hour setting for 2.5ghz so i changed it to +8.3%

el rolio
09-26-2005, 02:38 PM
so basically, i'll try the 3-3 again tonght and see how it goes, but somewhere along the line, something wasnt workin and i guess i wont be sure what it was ever again, but i dont want it to happen again. whether it was 3-3 timing, the 2.6v (the only setting to not produce test #5 errors at 250 htt), the 81 mhz agp, or a faulty mem controller. that we wont know for a while.

anyhoo all i know for sure is, 2.65, 2.7, etc all the way up to baord max of 2.85 is an error producer at 250 htt. i wont say more. i guess like i said ima tighten to 2.5-3-3-10 tonight and see how it goes. :S

sinister1st
09-26-2005, 04:18 PM
so basically, i'll try the 3-3 again tonght and see how it goes, but somewhere along the line, something wasnt workin and i guess i wont be sure what it was ever again, but i dont want it to happen again. whether it was 3-3 timing, the 2.6v (the only setting to not produce test #5 errors at 250 htt), the 81 mhz agp, or a faulty mem controller. that we wont know for a while.

anyhoo all i know for sure is, 2.65, 2.7, etc all the way up to baord max of 2.85 is an error producer at 250 htt. i wont say more. i guess like i said ima tighten to 2.5-3-3-10 tonight and see how it goes. :S


You can try lock at 67 2.5-3-3-8 heres an old pic prime stable at 2.5. I lost my pic of 289x9. This is with gsillTCCD/winnie and dont give it more than 2.65 volts. :) I eventually got it to 289x9 all 1.1. Using the 180 divider i gained little and 166 was a no go.

sideeffect
09-26-2005, 05:56 PM
Well its not that the memory controller is faulty. They are only rated at 200 HTT anything above that is just a bonus for us. When the memory controller reaches its limits ussually the cpu speed will die off. So you have to run at a slower cpu speed to keep a higher HTT.

msimax
09-26-2005, 10:19 PM
my personal best
and my firewire just stopped working had to buy a addon maybe i need to rma this sucker


http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/520/untitled4ke.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

el rolio
09-26-2005, 10:38 PM
You can try lock at 67 2.5-3-3-8 heres an old pic prime stable at 2.5. I lost my pic of 289x9. This is with gsillTCCD/winnie and dont give it more than 2.65 volts. :) I eventually got it to 289x9 all 1.1. Using the 180 divider i gained little and 166 was a no go.

ha, see this seems similar. ok since i cant take SS :( the best i could do is a validation. as it is now
cpu-z validation (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=40330)

and seeing the the "headroom" i got on voltages, that makes me feel better. liek i said: 1.55 (.45) + 8.3% == the same 1.552 - 1.568 you showed in your ss.

reading more replies.

ZeroSanity
09-27-2005, 01:03 AM
is this 260 HTT with 260 mhz ram speed or 260 HTT with the ram on a divider?

all in sync no divider =)

This ballistix isnt the best though, with these 2x1gbi can only get 3-3-10 @ cas 3 with 2t timings and no 'agressive timing' in bios... if only there was a way i could take them back and get some tracer stuff. :/

Also, does 4500/4500 in sandra sound off to you? Probably not but it's depressing. :rolleyes:

[EDIT]

Ok i need some diagnosis here.. according to clockgen the AGP/PCI is locked.. but whenever i get up above 260 fsb 1:1 i still seem to get artifacts in 3D apps ONLY. Some objects seem to flicker and i get all sorts of artifacts. im gonna try now with a divider to see if it makes any difference ?? I'm highly surprised that noone else has had this problem before as far as i know. :/

Losphoron
09-27-2005, 01:47 AM
guys..I'm pulling out my hair here..I just replaced my No-name memory with a Kingmax DDR400 512mb ram and bought another one to put them in dual channel..The No-name bank have over 13000 errors in Goldmemory and nothing found in Memtest.The new kingmax brought after replacing have errors in Memtest no 8 (modulo 20, zerp/ones) and of course in goldmemory 1000+.I bought them from a non-oficial (the guy don't pay taxes to the govournament and state so basically they are 20% cheaper than the market price) and now i have all my luck..The other bank brought from a shop from my city (new in case) is perfect..I think they take the banks that came back to the service because they are broken and he sell them like this..Not many ppl (at least in my country) test the memory..This are the first times when i use goldmemory/memtest.All this tests was done without oc..just with default speeds.I recommend using Goldmemory is more extensive and will report you even compatibility..If goldmemory tests will pass i am 200% sure that memtests will pass also..My :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing experience...and my hair is all over the keyboard and monitor now ...I'm :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing sick about my country..


anyway i got 5240mb/s in Sisoft Memory benchmark now but only 3 fps in q3..I know is normal but is just me.. :(

ZeroSanity
09-27-2005, 01:57 AM
Holy crap, looks like you have lots of trouble shooting to do, good luck. :/

I managed to find the cause of my problem.. i only got the artifacts when using the 10x multi.. someone should look into this as i have a feeling that it could be a BIOS issue.. anyway, i'm currently running along @ 9 x 290 1:1 (2600) with no problems.. im gonna try and go higher hehe.

[edit] thanks for the help along the way sideeffect ;)

el rolio
09-27-2005, 08:36 AM
wow ok, so im runnin tests now at 2.55v on the memory, 250mhz with 2.5-3-3-10.... will see how it gets when i get home.

this tccd is a crzy topsy turvy world!!!!!1

[XC] DragonOrta
09-27-2005, 08:36 AM
Ridczak, were you able to boot @ 5x250? I ask because with a 4x multi, the memory isn't running 1:1 if set to it, it's running on a 5x multi instead of the 4x multi the HTT is running at, so the memory is @ 200mhz. This is just something that happens. so check to see if you can run 5x250, and that will tell you if the memory is stable at the speed.

Peach
09-27-2005, 09:53 AM
What would be the best bios for OCing my FX53? I have Corsair XMS TCCD and a 6200.

Losphoron
09-27-2005, 10:18 AM
Peach... very equilibrate system :P fx53 with 6200 ...nice one.

wussupnext
09-27-2005, 10:26 AM
Could someone answers the following question : What is the best bios for both X2 support and good overclocking ?

Thx, it is appreciated :)

Peach
09-27-2005, 02:03 PM
Peach... very equilibrate system :P fx53 with 6200 ...nice one.


I know, waiting for R520 :)

sideeffect
09-27-2005, 03:58 PM
Could someone answers the following question : What is the best bios for both X2 support and good overclocking ?

Thx, it is appreciated :)

From what i have heard the 1.9 is best for x2 4400+ and the 1.B is best for the other x2 processors. Or it could be that certain cpus are better on each. I would try the 1.B first and if you have problems with it try the 1.9.

Peach
09-27-2005, 04:59 PM
sideeffect, are your forums messed up? I went there and there isnt any posts.

D3kMatrix
09-27-2005, 05:21 PM
sideeffect, are your forums messed up? I went there and there isnt any posts.

Ditto, seems to be fixed now though.

Peach
09-27-2005, 05:28 PM
I think i'll give the 1.b sideeffect a try, anything is better than the 1.b MSI bios im running now, I can't even prime stable 210HTT 1:1 with my Corsair TCCD :(

D3kMatrix
09-27-2005, 05:38 PM
I think i'll give the 1.b sideeffect a try, anything is better than the 1.b MSI bios im running now, I can't even prime stable 210HTT 1:1 with my Corsair TCCD :(


Your not trying to OC the TCCD past 210 1:1 at 2-2-2-5 are you?
Cuz that won't happen :P They only scale to high HTT at something like 2.5-3-3-7.

That or you didn't lower your HT multi from 5x.

Peach
09-27-2005, 05:40 PM
I had my TCCD at 2.5-3-3-6 and my HT Multi at 2x, i'm gonna experiment some more because I just flashed to sideeffects 1.b bios

EDIT: My goal is to hit 2.7ghz, I dropped my HT Multi to 2x and set my RAM to 2.5-3-3-6 2.80v. Loaded up clockgen and dropped multiplier to x9 and set VID to 1.550v. I managed to hit 280HTT 1:1! But this only yields 2520mhz. I set my FID to x10 and I could barely break stock! :slap: What am I doing wrong?!?

sideeffect
09-27-2005, 06:10 PM
HTT Multi of 3 is better than 2 imo. Certain cpu multis wont work very well. I think 10 x multi isnt very good in 1.B. Use Clockgen and set a 9.5 multi see what happens.

krjalone
09-27-2005, 11:31 PM
I have a minor problem. I changed my winchester +3500
to x2 +3800 cpu. I am using bios 1.b mod and its working ok.
But clockgen is not working anymore. I can only change fsb/htt frequency.
The cpu vid and multiplier control is greyed out. What is the problem?

ridczak
09-28-2005, 03:12 AM
Ridczak, were you able to boot @ 5x250? I ask because with a 4x multi, the memory isn't running 1:1 if set to it, it's running on a 5x multi instead of the 4x multi the HTT is running at, so the memory is @ 200mhz. This is just something that happens. so check to see if you can run 5x250, and that will tell you if the memory is stable at the speed.

Thanx, I did't know that. Memtest & cpu-z always showed 250MHz on RAM even with 4x multi. 6x didn't work as I remember, going to try 5x today.

Yesterday I swapped OCZ with 2x512 MDT PC3200 cl2,5 and similar situation as witch OCZ (Vdimm mod removed). However, I will have to try this 5x multi.

ps. I'm blind :) Didn't notice that 4x multi & /5 div on RAM in the multipliers/mem dividers table.

kotori
09-28-2005, 04:52 AM
Anyone tried the tccd bios yet? I think I will give that a try this evening. I got my scythe ninja installed and my temps are lower under load than with the xp90c so when I get home this evening I am looking to oc a little differently using the tccd bios. I am going to see how the memory does in slots 3 and 4 versus 1 and 2.

Hi everyone. This is my first post on this nice forum.
I've been looking everywhere for someone running a ninja heatsink on MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum. I'm very interested to hear if it fits without problems since the XP-120 doesn't fit without some bending. Anyone who uses a ninja with a 120mm fan? Any probs with RAM or AGP slot?

I'm a bit worried about the weight, so maybe I'll wait for the SI-120 to arrive to Swedish stores. Any advice on this - is weight a real issue? (The computer will probably not be moved very often, but still I'm a bit worried.)
Seems like the best quiet cooling alternatives are Ninja, XP-120, SI-120 or big typhoon. Any recommendation for cooling dual cores on this mobo?

Peach
09-28-2005, 05:36 AM
My XP120 fit into my Neo2 without any bending, the heatpipes are next to the top of the video card. http://i2.cashmoneyuploads.com/img/newpc01585.jpg

sideeffect
09-28-2005, 08:48 AM
Hmm it does say in specifications

K8N Neo2 Platinum Not Compatible (caps mechanically obstruct pipe.)

So How did you get it to fit? Im going to buy a heatsink and will get the zp-120 if it really does fit. you sure you didnt bend any caps to get it in there?

TenzoR
09-28-2005, 10:06 AM
I'm new, but I like to say reading/searching through this post has been more then helpful

I'm now running my Venice DH-E3 3000+ at 250 FSB so far so good :)

sideeffect
09-28-2005, 10:10 AM
Welcome to the thread that refuses to die TenzoR :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Losphoron
09-28-2005, 10:29 AM
MSI K8N Neo2 will rule at least 2 years for me :P...ATI R5xx AGP i'm coming :PP

el rolio
09-28-2005, 10:33 AM
aiit folks. since my machine will refuse to give me stability (quickly first tested by tryin to do a super pi run) at 250 x 2.5-3-3-10 with any voltage (2.6v was the the top candidate) i decided to see what i could do since im forced to be running 2.5-4-4

so why not bump up? did a few small bumps not changin any voltages or any setting for that matter besides the htt (and the htt multi to 3x of course).

so its at home priming on 260x10 [1.45 + 8.3%] / 2.5-4-4-10 [2.6v]. i started the prime after makin sure superpi would run and memtest would pass test 5 and 7 a couple times each. so :banana::banana::banana::banana:, since everything is the same as it was at 250, i might as well get some more speed outa my "lax" timings eh? lets see how it goes.

though i still would love to know why i cant 2.5-3-3 at 250 tho. that sucks... and why it would fail memtest (1 or 2 errors) on anything above 2.6v with te number of errors increasing as the voltage rose.

Lestat
09-28-2005, 11:08 AM
peach,

the only issue with that is the immense heat coming off the video card isn't going to help you cool your cpu at all.... its gunna keep those heat pipes heated up and not allow them to cool properly.

im loving my Ultra-D fellas.. PCI-E flavor not AGP.

ram and cpu really act differently on that board compared to the NEO2.

so sideeffect you were wrong im not here screaming about how crappy it is lol.

im just screaming about the total crap E6 venice i got after my E3 died.
im basically working on another chip

TenzoR
09-28-2005, 11:15 AM
the major problem i have is using my promise ata-100 card with these mobo but then i've notice that's has been a major problem for a while, so I'm just going to get some nice SATA drives instead :) way to make me upgrade MSI

other than that the only nit pick I have with this board is the crappy location of the cmos jumper location which I'm going to take someone's sugegstion and make a switch for it

I hope i can hit 300fsb without much problem but i'm fairly happy with 250FSB

Budwise
09-28-2005, 11:26 AM
I have a minor problem. I changed my winchester +3500
to x2 +3800 cpu. I am using bios 1.b mod and its working ok.
But clockgen is not working anymore. I can only change fsb/htt frequency.
The cpu vid and multiplier control is greyed out. What is the problem?

same thing here... I couldnt get the makers of Clockgen to email me back either, so i now use a program called gcpuid. Google it and try it out. Works good here, has FID/VID options etc.

Losphoron
09-28-2005, 12:10 PM
i pretty love this board :P ..is just unique..I wanted the finest one K8n diamond but already i spent 2 normal salaries in my country for board,proc and another Kingmax module....

When overclocking you lower the memory clock to 333mhz or you leave 400mhz..Because here my Kingmax is only Pc3200.Only if i lower the clock to 333mhz i get 260mhz fsb..In fact the memory is working at 218mhz or something like this..Anyway they are much cheaper than Corsairs..

Mehran
09-28-2005, 12:13 PM
Hellll!
the problem is drivibg me mad! What kinda mobo is this?! First of all I can't go more than 2600 (260x10) even 261!
I get a BSOD.
Second of all I can't get my USB joypad working on this mobo!
What should I do? Guys here say that my CPU can go 2.6 or 2.8 on air!
I think I have a serious problem with this.
PLZ help me.
thx in advance.

Mehran
09-28-2005, 12:18 PM
And I know that there is no problem with my memories.
I think I'm making a mistake in somewhere. Coz everyone like this mobo.

Peach
09-28-2005, 01:12 PM
peach,

the only issue with that is the immense heat coming off the video card isn't going to help you cool your cpu at all.... its gunna keep those heat pipes heated up and not allow them to cool properly.

im loving my Ultra-D fellas.. PCI-E flavor not AGP.

ram and cpu really act differently on that board compared to the NEO2.

so sideeffect you were wrong im not here screaming about how crappy it is lol.

im just screaming about the total crap E6 venice i got after my E3 died.
im basically working on another chip

Does the compatibility issue still exist in the newer bios'es saying not to run memory in slots 3 & 4?? If they don't exist anymore, I will flip the xp120 around so that the pipes are facing upwards.

sideeffect
09-28-2005, 01:18 PM
Mehran - Your cpu will overclock as much it overclocks. The guys that are saying it will do more dont have your cpu they have another one. Even the same stepping cpus wont perform the same.

Its all about luck at the end of the day.

Losphoron
09-28-2005, 03:13 PM
how can i get a 1.9v on vcore?

JaCk0
09-28-2005, 03:19 PM
a question, is the 1.b better bios than 1.a4b for UTT oc?

D3kMatrix
09-28-2005, 03:21 PM
how can i get a 1.9v on vcore?

With the 1.36b BIOS (it has a working 18% over volt) and CoreCenter.
See the first post in the thread.

Losphoron
09-28-2005, 03:26 PM
ya but 1.36b is pretty old :S..Anybody thinking to add the missing options in 1.b firmware (like the Vcore voltage 18%)
i can boot at 2420mhz from 1810mhz and the windows loads fine but the games are pretty unstable..What can i do?

D3kMatrix
09-28-2005, 03:32 PM
ya but 1.36b is pretty old :S..Anybody thinking to add the missing options in 1.b firmware (like the Vcore voltage 18%)
i can boot at 2420mhz from 1810mhz and the windows loads fine but the games are pretty unstable..What can i do?

They have been trying to add the 18% I believe but with no success yet.

We need to know your settings before we can give any real suggestions, list them or take pictures of the corecenter and ram pages in your BIOS.

Need to know voltages and timings and what not.

My first guess though is, lower ur HT multi? put ur ram on a divider?
And have you tried prime at all? Is windows stable and just games crash? Or is everything unstable?

Millyons
09-28-2005, 03:44 PM
D3kMatrix

man could you post a screen of your a64tweaker settings 0.6 for that ram, im having really hard time getting them stable

Losphoron
09-28-2005, 04:12 PM
Bios 1.B oficial,NV/ati oc disabled, C'n'Q disabled, fw enabled (i read that are problems with 9600 chipsets with it disabled),the rest disabled...
DDR setted at 166 instead 200..When it boot up it shows DDR 333 Dual Channel and another thing the slots for dual channel are 3 and 4..I tried 1 and 2 in the past and it seems there is no difference bettween them..Anyway in the MSI Memory compatibility list they give them the ok in the 3 and 4 slots..I don't know why but now i have them in 3 and 4..
Vcore: +10%
fsb: 260
Htt: 3x (with 4x is not working at 260mhz)
Memory voltage: default
vga: 1.60v (with 1.5v the games freeze with 260mhz setted fsb)
Multiplier: 9x
timings: 2.5,3,3,7 2T (with 1t i am not sure is stable and the performance increase is very very low)..
Temperature is not a problem because my cooler is pretty good (Arctic Cooling 64 ultra TCL)..In idle 34 degree celsius and in full load 42 degrees..This is without the second big on the back of the case that bring out the air from inside..That is pretty noisy but very eficient..With that i get in idle about 27 degrees and in full load about 36 degree..

Thanks..

D3kMatrix
09-28-2005, 05:07 PM
D3kMatrix

man could you post a screen of your a64tweaker settings 0.6 for that ram, im having really hard time getting them stable

I don't think it’s possible to run a Neo2 with G.Skill TCCD and a Venice at the same time in spec 1:1 for most people.

I have been trying for months, I tried 2 different sets of G.Skill LE's and neither set will run in spec 1:1. My first set was 431 TCCD and maxed at about 269HTT 1:1 2.5-3-3-7. And now my 2nd set maxs at about 274HTT 1:1 2.5-3-3-7. 1 HTT under spec :P

I have tried almost every single BIOS and every setting/voltage possible.

Currently running 1.B Standard by SE

I have been running them on the 166MHz divider 280x10 for now. But just last night I started testing the 183MHz divider a little more and so far so good.

These are my settings, the Trc and Trfc are a little loser then normal just to test the 183MHz divider. I normally run them at 11/14.
(Also primed for 10 Hours over night at the same settings, but didn’t take a screen shot before I went to work)
http://shared.sploitz.com/system/venice_prime-1hours-2808mhz-280x10-1.424v-2.85v.jpg

At first I couldn't get the 183MHz divider to run stable so I tried to raise my HTT and lower my CPU mutli while running the 166MHz divider to give the ram CPU and ram clock as the 183MHz divider. It ran 100% stable but would not cold post at the 312HTT. So that was out of the question so I went back to trying to get the 183MHz divider stable.

It seems on the 166MHz and 1:1 my ram runs better at 2.65v. But when running the 183MHz divider it needs 2.85v.

Heres a shot of running 312x9 w/ 166MHz divider. (260MHz ram clock) -- Stable but no Cold Post =(
http://shared.sploitz.com/system/venice_prime-10hours-2808mhz-312x9-1.424v-2.85v.jpg


Bios 1.B oficial,NV/ati oc disabled, C'n'Q disabled, fw enabled (i read that are problems with 9600 chipsets with it disabled),the rest disabled...
DDR setted at 166 instead 200..When it boot up it shows DDR 333 Dual Channel and another thing the slots for dual channel are 3 and 4..I tried 1 and 2 in the past and it seems there is no difference bettween them..Anyway in the MSI Memory compatibility list they give them the ok in the 3 and 4 slots..I don't know why but now i have them in 3 and 4..
Vcore: +10%
fsb: 260
Htt: 3x (with 4x is not working at 260mhz)
Memory voltage: default
vga: 1.60v (with 1.5v the games freeze with 260mhz setted fsb)
Multiplier: 9x
timings: 2.5,3,3,7 2T (with 1t i am not sure is stable and the performance increase is very very low)..
Temperature is not a problem because my cooler is pretty good (Arctic Cooling 64 ultra TCL)..In idle 34 degree celsius and in full load 42 degrees..This is without the second big on the back of the case that bring out the air from inside..That is pretty noisy but very eficient..With that i get in idle about 27 degrees and in full load about 36 degree..

Thanks..

Dual Channel will work in both slots 1&2 and 3&4.
Most people actually have better results in slots 1&2, including me.

Most of your settings look ok, actually a lot loser then they should have to be to run the speeds you are.

And instead of running you vcore 1.40v with 10% overvolt try 1.45v and 8.3% overvolt. It will give you the same vcore in the end but some people report more stability while using the normal vcore setting to boost the vcore instead of the overvolt settings.

The only other thing I could see causing a problem is you RAM voltage. Disable auto and test all vcores from 2.65 to 2.85 in memtest to see which is most stable. Start in memtest with a setting you know is unstable so you can see if the voltage makes any difference. Example, 270x9.
Or even try running the 133MHz divider to totally take your ram out of the question. I'm not sure exactly what ram you have so I don't know what it could be capable of.

Also when you say games are unstable, when they crash, do you just get booted back to windows? Random reboot? Artifacts? BSOD? Any Errors?

Your CPU could also just be at its limit, when did you buy the chip? Do you know the stepping? The newer Venice's don't seem to be overclocking that great anymore.

sideeffect
09-28-2005, 09:50 PM
Cd1986 is also stuck at around 270 ish with his TCCD. I think people are very lucky if they get a board that goes over 260 1:1 with any ram.

At the moment im trying to get my board more stable. I can run memtest all day with 255 mhz ram speed at 2.5-2-3-8 but it crashes in windows. Im pretty certain Its not the ram causing crashes. Seems my cpu hits a point at around 2770mhz where it wont go any higher 1:1 and i have to drop the ram frequency to get any more cpu clocks.

Im not sure if its motherboard related or memory controller/cpu related. The CPU will do 3ghz with 228 mhz memory speed on vapochill game stable but not prime stable. I have decided to not use the vapochill though as it seems kind of not worth the hassle for such a small increase. Getting some better air cooling and will try my best to hit 2.8 ghz 255 x 11. I'll be happy with that.

Still love my motherboard though. :slap:

Millyons
09-29-2005, 01:30 AM
First up, one thing i noticed about ram slots that it also depends on the ram not just the mobo. I got 2x512 G.Skill 4400LE (TCCD) best in slots 1 and 2, 2x512 Kingston KHX3200 (OLD BH-5) also in slots 1 n 2, but i got 2 sets of 2x512 OCZ Gold (New BH-5) that are better in slots 3 and 4, so its just trail and error, noone can say what slots work better on other ppls setups.


About my G.Skill............ya i had hard time playing with them till my mobo and/or CPU died......no way that they do win stable at stock 275 2.5-3-3-6 (or 7) or 2.5-4-4-7 but memtest passes even at 285 at stock timmings. Most stable win seems somwhere in 260 ish. Same sticks had problems running on the DFI nf4 at 2.5-3-3-6 or 2.5-4-4-7 in the 260mhz to 280mhz range, but with same settings work 24/7 gaming stable at 300mhz ??? fun :)

Mehran
09-29-2005, 03:46 AM
Mehran - Your cpu will overclock as much it overclocks. The guys that are saying it will do more dont have your cpu they have another one. Even the same stepping cpus wont perform the same.

Its all about luck at the end of the day.

Well I've seen that they could at least achieve 2700. I can't.
And what about my USB problem with this board?
I don't know what to do? few weeks ago I could get it working at 2700 but now I can't. what happened?

Millyons
09-29-2005, 05:03 AM
@sideeffect

is there anyway you can mod the bios with different data and drive strenghts like they are on the DFIs.....i know there is drive strength in the bios but only weak/normal can it be modded to have different levels

Losphoron
09-29-2005, 05:13 AM
D3kMatrix: first put a screenshot of your desktop :P .. no "stupid" procesesor screenshots :D...
second..the system is detailed in my Signature...Two kingmax PC3200 sticks of 512mb ram..
Thrid ... My games after a couople of minutes of playing just freeze without a specific error and VPU recover reset the video card and i can continue playing but will freeze soon again and so on..Of course not all games return to their normal state after freezing..For example in NFSU2 after first complete race (3 laps) in the second consecutive race at 2430mhz (270x9) freeze but windows works perfectly..And another thing at 260mhz the all the games freeze without setting the Vga voltage to 1.60v..
Another thing...One of my Kingmax sticks have errors in Memtest even without any oc..I get errors in test number 8..I think the ram itself is damaged.The other is perfect.I tested one by one in the same slot.

Millyons
09-29-2005, 05:33 AM
D3kMatrix: first put a screenshot of your desktop :P .. no "stupid" procesesor screenshots :D...
second..the system is detailed in my Signature...Two kingmax PC3200 sticks of 512mb ram..
Thrid ... My games after a couople of minutes of playing just freeze without a specific error and VPU recover reset the video card and i can continue playing but will freeze soon again and so on..Of course not all games return to their normal state after freezing..For example in NFSU2 after first complete race (3 laps) in the second consecutive race at 2430mhz (270x9) freeze but windows works perfectly..And another thing at 260mhz the all the games freeze without setting the Vga voltage to 1.60v..
Another thing...One of my Kingmax sticks have errors in Memtest even without any oc..I get errors in test number 8..I think the ram itself is damaged.The other is perfect.I tested one by one in the same slot.


you should probably rma the bad stick first n then continue OCing, but in any case is you system Prime Stable at the settings the games crash?

Losphoron
09-29-2005, 06:53 AM
the bad ram was taken without taxes and not officially...The guarantee is on trust..But i think the guy takes them from services of computers with a bonus prices..I bought two banks from him and both had errors :P..The first i changed it with the kingmax but i think i will sell it to not depend anymore on the guys..

el rolio
09-29-2005, 08:03 AM
ok, so in some bit by bit testing last night.... i discover my cpu is good to 2.7 at acceptable voltages (just around or under 1.6).

so im like, ok, maybe i switch up my whole setup. lets find out what this memory can do and then maybe i can do a crazy combination of high htt and ram to get to the effective 2.7 right?

wrong. this damn ram would not do anything above say 258 with my timings of 2.5-4-4-10 and 2.6v

more volts gives errors so basically it seems im limited to using 2.6v and whatever that gives me i have to go with. sigh.

WHY am i not able to effectively use more volts on this damn mobo with this damn ram? is it simply heat? do i need to plug another fan right on top of the ram and see what happens. i mean the bh-5 at 2.85v didnt get hot like this ram when i put anything more than the 2.6 into it. i mean wow.

what yall think? i know there are tons of tccd users on here in this thread with the mobo of course. is there something simple im missing?

Millyons
09-29-2005, 09:33 AM
im a new TCCD user, but from what i gather ya u really need a fan to cool then down, i was kinda supprised also as how hot they get..........i have OCZ old CH5 sticks also and without a fan at 3.4v didnt seem as hot as this at 2.9 (2.85 + mobo overvolting 0.5)

edit: another thing alot of ppl overlook, some ram can give out errors even if timmings are to relaxes for that speed or if voltage is too high, form my limited testing (few hours) with same timings i got half way (loop 10) through PI 1mb at 290 (constantly) and at 275 they never even did the first loop Never.

Nossie
09-29-2005, 10:14 AM
is it possible with this board to read out the vdimm in Windows ?

I checked with mbm5 and speedfan, but they dont show any vdimm :(

Millyons
09-29-2005, 11:52 AM
no you have to use a dmm

basicly the board overvolts the vdimm by +0.05v and the vdimm is stable

slatey
09-29-2005, 03:19 PM
i am unable to enter the bios by pressing delete as the pc boots up all i get is a black screen with a flashing cursor its the latest bios 1.b i can get into windows fine if i dont press delete on boot up any ideas?

D3kMatrix
09-29-2005, 03:20 PM
D3kMatrix: first put a screenshot of your desktop :P .. no "stupid" procesesor screenshots :D...

http://www.skins.be/framepic.php?id=19892&size=1600



Thrid ... My games after a couople of minutes of playing just freeze without a specific error and VPU recover reset the video card and i can continue playing but will freeze soon again and so on..Of course not all games return to their normal state after freezing..For example in NFSU2 after first complete race (3 laps) in the second consecutive race at 2430mhz (270x9) freeze but windows works perfectly..And another thing at 260mhz the all the games freeze without setting the Vga voltage to 1.60v..


This is a GPU or AGP problem, your video card is throttling, that's what is causing the pausing. It's not a CPU stability problem.



Another thing...One of my Kingmax sticks have errors in Memtest even without any oc..I get errors in test number 8..I think the ram itself is damaged.The other is perfect.I tested one by one in the same slot.

lol how can you run a system let alone OC with ram that doesn’t even run stable at stock settings? :P
Surprised ur windows install isn't borked yet. Get some new RAM :P
That or 1 stick of ram likes a diff amount of voltage then the other. Did you try running any other vdimm settings besides auto? Test each stick using voltages from 2.6v to 2.85v.



i am unable to enter the bios by pressing delete as the pc boots up all i get is a black screen with a flashing cursor its the latest bios 1.b i can get into windows fine if i dont press delete on boot up any ideas?

Clear ur CMOS.

If that doesn't work it means you didnt competly shut ur system down after you flashed.
After you flash with a 1.X BIOS you need to totally shut down the system,, unplug the PSU and clear the CMOS.
It will probably say "CHECK SUM ERROR - Defaults Restored" when you POST.
And don't enter the BIOS the first time it posts after the flash, u have to let the XXX Pool thing update, so let it load windows once before you enter BIOS.


ok, so in some bit by bit testing last night.... i discover my cpu is good to 2.7 at acceptable voltages (just around or under 1.6).

so im like, ok, maybe i switch up my whole setup. lets find out what this memory can do and then maybe i can do a crazy combination of high htt and ram to get to the effective 2.7 right?

wrong. this damn ram would not do anything above say 258 with my timings of 2.5-4-4-10 and 2.6v

more volts gives errors so basically it seems im limited to using 2.6v and whatever that gives me i have to go with. sigh.

WHY am i not able to effectively use more volts on this damn mobo with this damn ram? is it simply heat? do i need to plug another fan right on top of the ram and see what happens. i mean the bh-5 at 2.85v didnt get hot like this ram when i put anything more than the 2.6 into it. i mean wow.

what yall think? i know there are tons of tccd users on here in this thread with the mobo of course. is there something simple im missing?

For TCCD RAM more voltage is rarely better. With my 1st set of G.Skill LE TCCD's they would run at 2.65v all day great, but at the same settings with 2.70v or higher the errors would pump out like crazy in memtest.

But my 2nd set of G.Skill TCCD likes 2.85v better, every type of TCCD likes different voltages.

Peach
09-29-2005, 04:34 PM
A64 Tweaker doesn't want to work on my system, what am I doing wrong? It won't let me change the settings :(

sideeffect
09-29-2005, 04:38 PM
i am unable to enter the bios by pressing delete as the pc boots up all i get is a black screen with a flashing cursor its the latest bios 1.b i can get into windows fine if i dont press delete on boot up any ideas?

Yes you get this error because of the temperature sensors. Its ussually when you are using a vopochill or other high end cooling.

To fix it you have to use a bios with temperatures removed. You can use my 1.A bios on my website that doesnt have temperatures in it. You still see the temperature readings in windows just not in bios.

sinister1st
09-29-2005, 04:54 PM
Yes you get this error because of the temperature sensors. Its ussually when you are using a vopochill or other high end cooling.

To fix it you have to use a bios with temperatures removed. You can use my 1.A bios on my website that doesnt have temperatures in it. You still see the temperature readings in windows just not in bios.


I had the same problem. Try ENABLEING k/b storrage support it worked for me all is well and no flashing cursor.
:p: <---THIS MEANS STICK OUT TOUNGE, OOPS LOL I THOUGHT IT WAS A SMILEY FACE :)

Peach
09-29-2005, 06:16 PM
Looks like I settled on 2520mhz :toast: I think I just got a bad FX53. This chip has been through hell too, the previous owner had it on water, dice, phase, everything lol
Specs for anyone wondering:

ADAFX53DEP5AS
CAAGC 0425SPMW

Millyons
09-29-2005, 10:48 PM
I had the same problem. Try ENABLEING k/b storrage support it worked for me all is well and no flashing cursor.
:p: <---THIS MEANS STICK OUT TOUNGE, OOPS LOL I THOUGHT IT WAS A SMILEY FACE :)

yap Sisnister is right, i also had the same problem but enabeling what he said solved it..................



so SIDEEFFECT can anything be done (modded) about DATA Drive strenght in bioses.......

Losphoron
09-30-2005, 02:57 AM
D3kMatrix: i don't like the girl face...you don't have good tastes :P ..damn
This is a second stick like this..I will buy a new ram soon when i will get the money (this is a problem now)...In both the windows is working great (with some errors like programs closed for illegal operation and something like this).I experienced in the past Skipping files during windows installation because the a ram stick so i am aware of that error..I do what i can...I am just a freak begginer..My mother come to me last night at 3am and told me that i stayed at computer about 12hours for more than a couple of weeks.I sleep about 10hours on day...heheh...Monday the University will begin so the mother will be so happy to know me there (perhaps and maybe are the words but she don't know them)

mundi
09-30-2005, 03:18 AM
Sideefect & NFM
Here in czech republic is mania about Opteron 144 soc 939 :p: ,
I`m waiting too for coming my new cpu,
in def. Vcore is normal to go 2600Mhz i wait too this and hope for 2800mhz :slobber: ,
but want ask You,
with which bios version will run me?
will oki run with your 1B4mod or with NFM 1.8rev.3
Which would I used?

mundi
09-30-2005, 08:06 AM
....
yet I say that it`s CABGE 0532

sinister1st
09-30-2005, 08:31 AM
yap Sisnister is right, i also had the same problem but enabeling what he said solved it..................



so SIDEEFFECT can anything be done (modded) about DATA Drive strenght in bioses.......


THANK YOU so now we shouldnt see that problem anymore i hope from anyone who doesnt read the thread. :) I posted it at msi but the guys look at the noob POST count i think since i dont post much and ignore it. Ive seen it pop up over there evertime i browse.

el rolio
09-30-2005, 08:35 AM
guys... boooo... active coolin on the ram... and still not able to use more than the 2.6v without errors :(

sinister1st
09-30-2005, 08:51 AM
EL rolio it was a hell of a time for me to get my error count down with my winnie/ tccd and memtest 86 with prime. ONE would be stable the other not.

I would forget memtest 86 being perfect, get it down to a few errors and run memtest for windows and all the other windows test prime/spi/occt. :) If i would decrease my volts memtest 86 would be error free but not prime, just on my good ol winnie. :)

Millyons
09-30-2005, 09:12 AM
does anyone have a opty 144 or 146 on a Neo2, they look sweet

mundi
09-30-2005, 09:15 AM
does anyone have a opty 144 or 146 on a Neo2, they look sweet
I wait for coming on monday,
but some more people here have yet,
TMaxCase of more of opteron 144 is 57
a little have 55
and one of much have 65 :slobber: :slobber:

slatey
09-30-2005, 09:27 AM
Clear ur CMOS.

If that doesn't work it means you didnt competly shut ur system down after you flashed.
After you flash with a 1.X BIOS you need to totally shut down the system,, unplug the PSU and clear the CMOS.
It will probably say "CHECK SUM ERROR - Defaults Restored" when you POST.
And don't enter the BIOS the first time it posts after the flash, u have to let the XXX Pool thing update, so let it load windows once before you enter BIOS.

thanks for that it did take a couple of reeboots but its fine now...

el rolio
09-30-2005, 10:34 AM
EL rolio it was a hell of a time for me to get my error count down with my winnie/ tccd and memtest 86 with prime. ONE would be stable the other not.

I would forget memtest 86 being perfect, get it down to a few errors and run memtest for windows and all the other windows test prime/spi/occt. :) If i would decrease my volts memtest 86 would be error free but not prime, just on my good ol winnie. :)

well thats the thing, i thought about that since memtest errors on anything above 2.6 v, until i usd the fans then it didnt error at 2.6v 2.5-3-3 but the quick n easy test is to see if super pi crashes. i dont even have to start a p95 run, i just make sure it can do the 1m run on super pi first. which it doesnt seem to want to above 2.6v or with 2.5-3-3 :(

sinister1st
09-30-2005, 12:43 PM
EL R if you can get to 2.7ghtz are you using the 9 or 10 multi? If 9 go for 2.5-4-4-7 and see what your scores are. 2.7 for a winnie is good most of them top out at 2.5 or 2.6. If your happy at 2.5ghtz you should be able to get by with 2.55 volts on your tccd and no errors in memtest86. I would push it further and get errors down to almost none in TEST 5 AND OR 8 and do pi test and memtest for windows and a little prime. ALL that nice hardware you have why not save the winnie for a spare rig and get a new opteron chip? :banana: :toast: :)

el rolio
09-30-2005, 01:43 PM
EL R if you can get to 2.7ghtz are you using the 9 or 10 multi? If 9 go for 2.5-4-4-7 and see what your scores are. 2.7 for a winnie is good most of them top out at 2.5 or 2.6. If your happy at 2.5ghtz you should be able to get by with 2.55 volts on your tccd and no errors in memtest86. I would push it further and get errors down to almost none in TEST 5 AND OR 8 and do pi test and memtest for windows and a little prime. ALL that nice hardware you have why not save the winnie for a spare rig and get a new opteron chip? :banana: :toast: :)

well see now this is the deal. i know for sure my 2.5 was and always had been stable at 250x10. thats what i ran with my bh-5 on the 166 divider and then i got the rev2's to hopefully match that at 1:1. ok fine so they did, but with the 2.5-4-4-10 timings. i could not get it stable at all with 2.5-3-3. then sideeffect told me that was horrible and i agreed. but hte problem is, as you clearly understand, that it errors with more voltage. so 2.6v is max volts i can put in it seems. ok fine.

then i said, well lemme do a lil test anyways to see if since i CANT use more volts and CANT use tighter timings, what can i do with this ram voltage and timings? what kinda speed right?
bu first, check if its a moot point or not by seeing what the cpu would do anyways. i had never really taken it past the 250x10 anyways on the air.

well i dropped all the multies of course and edged the htt up up up with the 10x multi stock. testing with small ffts to see what kinda ceiling i had. well it got to 270x10 pretty easy (after a while of course) errored at like 273, so i backed it down, tested for a while etc. then said ok, 2.7ghz is good cuz i can use the ol 300x9 multi if i want maybe, use the 270 x 10, etc.... AWESOME.

ok now time to test the ram. so uh, it wouldnt even go past 256 with the 2.6v and 2.5-4-4. so basically i could go nowhere with it. my wall is this hinderance with the volts. i mean its frikken ironic i gave up on using my booster.... gave up on my beautiful bh-5s and got TCCD which shoulda never needed more than the board max of 2.85 to acheive high htt speeds.... yet i cant even use more than 2.6v without gettin what i can only assume is heat errors :(

help me sinister-westcoast-man!

el rolio
09-30-2005, 01:47 PM
oh and yea, about the 144 or whatev. eclipse had mentioned it. i think its the eventual plan for sure. i mean ive gotta keep this system going till the initial m2 batch reaches adolesence... aka pre maturity. so if htey launch mid 2k6, then i'd look into it nov 2k6... exactly 2 years after beginning this system. and i think the opterOWN as they call it and 2x1gb sticks of hte best ram will be what i gotta use until then. thats the plan at least. i figure i could trade out the rev2's and the golds for it eh? bu htats future. but for sure hte opterown is in my near future. broke now but i wont be after xmas! tadah! and availability should be good then, cuz i dunno where the hell i would get one now.

and yea i always been proud of my winnie, just wish i could get the RIGHT combination of components yu kno?

Losphoron
09-30-2005, 03:09 PM
i just make some tests with 1:1 and with more cheaper kingmax PC3200 i get a 230mhz without any windows errors and two things i saw:
i done two doom3 consecutive "timedemo1" and it passed succesfully no crashes and of course nfsu2 begin to crash again...Vga throttling (sorry my english is not so good)

sinister1st
09-30-2005, 05:11 PM
EL r --dam 270x10 is GOOD for a winnie. My 3500 is a :slap: 2.6 at the most. So it looks like your stuck because of your ram then. Well i can tell you one thing some people say that burning in the ram is useless but ill tell you i had the same problems with my ram erroring out at 2.65 but after about 3 mos it started getting less errors, and the memory controller on mine just wasnt that good. U can try a64 tweaker and maybe try 256 clocks with SEs tccd bios but it looks like you have tried it. You can try and do a search and look at some tccd gsill timings and give it a go AND have you tried switching ram slots? Test one stick at time and see wich ones the weakest link but i wouldnt expect more than 2.5 2.6ish out of that winnie. You do have ocz ram you might want to hunt down one of the ocz reps on here and ask them some good tweaks they are on here and they probably know the killer tweaks with them.

Right now im looking into the 2gb GSKILL :fact: for this board. After christmas :woot: when my wife and kids suck the life out of me IM GETTING ME SOME! :toast:

sideeffect
09-30-2005, 10:05 PM
Released Revision 2 of my 1.B mod. Its just a cosmetic fix so nothing really extra. :slap:

- All New Menu Layout :cool:
- Fixed 150 divider option not showing :woot:
- New Full screen logo

Link to my Site (http://www.swjka.com/neo2/view_thread.php?fid=39&tid=78)

http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//drammenu.jpg
http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//cellmenu.jpg

- Please someone whos good at art make me a nice fullscreen logo for my bios files. I really suck at it.

- D3kMatrix If you add these to your site i would just replace the rev1 1.B because they function the same this just has fixes and looks better.

Millyons
10-01-2005, 12:53 AM
Released Revision 2 of my 1.B mod. Its just a cosmetic fix so nothing really extra. :slap:

- All New Menu Layout :cool:
- Fixed 150 divider option not showing :woot:
- New Full screen logo

Link to my Site (http://www.swjka.com/neo2/view_thread.php?fid=39&tid=78)

http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//drammenu.jpg
http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//cellmenu.jpg

- Please someone whos good at art make me a nice fullscreen logo for my bios files. I really suck at it.

- D3kMatrix If you add these to your site i would just replace the rev1 1.B because they function the same this just has fixes and looks better.


Sideeffect, can anything be done about DATA Strenght in bios, or more options for Drive strenght??? plz we need it on the Neo2

D3kMatrix
10-01-2005, 12:55 AM
koo, nice work.

I'll update the page as soon as I can tommorow =)

BTW I think I might have been successfull in getting my GT to clock to its normal OC of Ultra settings in the 1.B Standard MOD :D

Mehran
10-01-2005, 06:06 AM
So! hey u all answered everyone but me!
I have two problems with this mobo (:banana::banana::banana::banana:!)
1- I'm not able to use my USB joypad under this boared (The USB option in my bios is enabled)
2- When I overclock at 2700 for example after a while I hear a whistle and my system freezes. PLZ HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!

sideeffect
10-01-2005, 10:14 AM
koo, nice work.

I'll update the page as soon as I can tommorow =)

BTW I think I might have been successfull in getting my GT to clock to its normal OC of Ultra settings in the 1.B Standard MOD :D

Cool how did you do it ?

VaCreeper
10-01-2005, 11:42 AM
I know this is a dumb question.. :stick: but where can I monitor my dimm voltage, other than on my booster :confused:

TY :D

Nossie
10-01-2005, 12:13 PM
Ive tested my 2 x 512mb "Geil Ultra-x BH-5 2-2-2-5 1t" sticks with the msi k8n neo2 platinum 54G board @ sideeffects 1.B Standard mod bios. But ive got a strange problem, i read may people reached 240-260mhz 2-2-2-5 @ 3.2~3.4vdimm with these sticks but i cant even get over 218 mhz 2-2-2-5 1t (HT 4x) no matter how may volts i give (3.2+) :(

200mhz 2-2-2-5 1t @ 2.85volt in bios = blue screens in windows
200mhz 2-3-3-6 1t @ 2.85volt in bios = stable @ memtest & windows
210mhz 2-2-2-5 1t @ 3.0volt on ddrbooster = stable @ memtest & windows
218mhz 2-2-2-5 1t @ 3.2volt on ddrbooster = stable @ memtest & windows
219+mhz 2-2-2-5 1t @ 3.2 ~ 3.5volt on ddrbooster = blue screens in windows

you guys maby got some tips (other bios etc) for me or do you think i just got some crappy sticks

Dr.Leary
10-01-2005, 02:00 PM
Unfortunatly 2X512Mb BH-5 won't go any higher on this board. I tried with Twinmos speed premium BH-5 and got about the same results as you. My Mushkin Redline CH-5 UTT worked great though before I had to RMA them.

Millyons
10-01-2005, 02:13 PM
if they are BH5 they should work at 200 2-2-2-5 @2.8 you should test your sticks individualy and rma them if needed..........

i also had problems with ALL my ram :)

2 sets of 2x512mb OCZ Gold (New BH5) - all 4 sticks are stable individualy around 250@3.3v 2-2-2-5 but cant get them to work in DC above 235 whatever the voltage (up to 3.6)

KHX 3200 2x512 (Old BH5) same thing (they worked on a s754 230-240ish @ 3.2 paired up)

G.Skill 4400LE 2x512 (TCCD) well thats realll fun i have no idea wtf i did and didnt do they are hell to get stable, my mobo and/or cpu died while i was testing them so i dont know what they do.

I think my problems are mostly mobo since all these tests were with cpu multies were at 9 or less...........and a e3 and e6 (garbage) venices i tried were about the same with ram clocks. One thing is that all this was really limmited testing couple weeks, with all new parts (except KHX) so it could be anything, the vdimm also had almost .1v drops between load and idle (stable at either though) with the 3.3v rail mod so that could have been causing it ......but anywiy ill know better when i get my replacment mobo and cpu in couple days n test that


edit: PS Nossie, did u check your vdimm with the Booster since i got a booster i dont use since the voltages danc around like crazy i have over 0.2v variations with it

Losphoron
10-01-2005, 02:37 PM
if my mobo/proc will die i will step myself on my :banana::banana::banana::banana: :S..I spent 3 salaries on mobo/proc/one memory...my country is pretty poor. :(

Millyons
10-01-2005, 02:52 PM
if my mobo/proc will die i will step myself on my :banana::banana::banana::banana: :S..I spent 3 salaries on mobo/proc/one memory...my country is pretty poor. :(


what country is that mine is poor also, most PCs sold here are Asus XXXXXXX n 256mb of ram :( or with Pentium IV c128 :slapass:

Nossie
10-01-2005, 03:00 PM
if they are BH5 they should work at 200 2-2-2-5 @2.8 you should test your sticks individualy and rma them if needed.............


yes, they do run 200 2-2-2-5 @ 2.8~2.9vdimm , but only with the ddr booster installed. if i set 2.85 volt in bios without the booster i get memtest errors ;s

This is maby causing this issue (From OCforums.com) :


This is important to know, that if you set manually Trcd(RAS to CAS Delay) to '2' from bios, it forces your Memory Voltage to 2,7V.

msimax
10-01-2005, 07:02 PM
quick ?? i have my card at 685/610 core/mem when benchin in 3dmark05 my gpu is at 38c
and the boards peak at 60c is that really bad or normal for x800 at this overclock

D3kMatrix
10-01-2005, 07:10 PM
quick ?? i have my card at 685/610 core/mem when benchin in 3dmark05 my gpu is at 38c
and the boards peak at 60c is that really bad or normal for x800 at this overclock

Totally normal, 60C isn't high for a GPU at all, esp if it has stock cooling.
My GT @ Ultra w/ a 1.4v mod runs at 57c with the Zalman on it. With the stock cooler it ran like 83c load @ stock clocks and 1.3v

I know a few people with nvidia cards even run them at 100C +

They arn't like CPUs, they can take the heat.

sideeffect
10-01-2005, 07:48 PM
Yes my card runs hot to 60 degrees at load.

D3kMatrix
10-01-2005, 09:24 PM
BIOS page updated

Added:

v1.B MOD Rev2 Standard Edition by Sideeffect
v1.B MOD Rev2 Ballistix Edition by Sideeffect
v1.B MOD Rev2 TCCD Edition by Sideeffect

Millyons
10-01-2005, 11:22 PM
the trcd@2 0.1v vdimm drop from what i tested only happens with "normal" vdimm, i didnt see it with the vmod or the booster

D3kMatrix
10-01-2005, 11:30 PM
the trcd@2 0.1v vdimm drop from what i tested only happens with "normal" vdimm, i didnt see it with the vmod or the booster

Because the booster doesn't go by the settings in BIOS, it just backfeeds the RAM slots with w/e voltage you set it to.

Not affected by MSI's crappy BIOS quirks :P

Losphoron
10-02-2005, 03:19 AM
i am from Romania. ex-comunist :banana::banana::banana::banana:y country that suck :banana::banana::banana::banana:s from all UE countries

Special_K
10-02-2005, 06:24 AM
Nossie - K gets the exact same 218MHz barrier as you =[

do you know what revision your mobo is? is it A1 like this one?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37789

Mehran
10-02-2005, 07:08 AM
So hey! Am I not here?!
somebody answer me PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
Thx all.

Draxx
10-02-2005, 07:32 AM
Sideeffect, is it possible for a rev2 1.B with the temps/voltages and fan speeds showing in the BIOS please?

Special_K
10-02-2005, 07:54 AM
Mehran - it sounds like your overclock is too high, that is why it freezes

Nossie
10-02-2005, 07:59 AM
Nossie - K gets the exact same 218MHz barrier as you =[

do you know what revision your mobo is? is it A1 like this one?

i got the same revision as you :

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37795&stc=1

btw look at this links :

http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=73641.0
http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=71487.0

sideeffect
10-02-2005, 08:21 AM
Sideeffect, is it possible for a rev2 1.B with the temps/voltages and fan speeds showing in the BIOS please?

They already do show in the bios. In the hardware monitor page.

If your refering to the pictures they are taken using biosview in windows so its not actually what the bios looks like. It doesnt link to the sensors in biosview.

Draxx
10-02-2005, 08:46 AM
They already do show in the bios. In the hardware monitor page.

If your refering to the pictures they are taken using biosview in windows so its not actually what the bios looks like. It doesnt link to the sensors in biosview.

Ah, excellent :)

Nossie
10-02-2005, 09:25 AM
Nossie - K gets the exact same 218MHz barrier as you =[


i found something, set your HT multi 4x, CPU multi 4x, HTT/FSB @ 230-260, memory divider = 200.

Now im stable in windows @ 240 2-2-2-5 3.3v. But my CPU is only @ 960mhz lol.

Only with these settings i can boot with my memory @ stable higher then 218mhz :



100 divider= every cpu multiplier bootable
133 divider= only x5 cpu multil is bootable
166 divider= only x6 cpu multi is bootable
200 divider= only x4 cpu multi is bootable

so i think there is something wrong with the bioses, they are forcing different settings on the ram @ different dividers/CPU multi's or something ;s, or the motherboard just isnt very compatible with our bh-5 sticks

Zeus...
10-02-2005, 11:01 AM
so i think there is something wrong with the bioses, they are forcing different settings on the ram @ different dividers/CPU multi's or something ;s, or the motherboard just isnt very compatible with our bh-5 sticks

Or it could be that your mem controller cant handle it. Mine use to run at overclock in sig - but now it will allow boot at STD - some 939 mem controllers r better than others and others dont seem to last then u r back at STD

Nossie
10-02-2005, 11:07 AM
Or it could be that your mem controller cant handle it. Mine use to run at overclock in sig - but now it will allow boot at STD - some 939 mem controllers r better than others and others dont seem to last then u r back at STD

yes, but the strange thing is, i can run memtest86 for ours without errors @ 240fsb, cpu multi 10x, divider 1:1. but no boot in windows :S.

Zeus...
10-02-2005, 11:20 AM
yes, but the strange thing is, i can run memtest86 for ours without errors @ 240fsb, cpu multi 10x, divider 1:1. but no boot in windows :S.

mine cpu would do 2700MHZ prime stable and mem would hit 285Htt when finding the max for the CPU and mem seperatly but when I ran the mem and CPU (non underclocked) the bast stablity I could get was 2550MHz as sig and more volts through the CPU made it less stable. I am begining to think thats its the OCZ mem booster thats done the mem contrllor in - but its just a passing thought.

But back to your issue sounds like its not stable if it wont boot in windows reguards if it passes memtest. what Volts u got through the CPU?

Nossie
10-02-2005, 11:25 AM
atm im running 4 x HT, 10 x 245HTT, VID + 5.0% ( 1.47volt +- ) , 166memory divider (memory @ 204mhz).

(venice e6 3500+)

Zeus...
10-02-2005, 12:01 PM
atm im running 4 x HT, 10 x 245HTT, VID + 5.0% ( 1.47volt +- ) , 166memory divider (memory @ 204mhz).

(venice e6 3500+)

Have u tried less volts!!! it worked for me and I also found the 1.8bios to overclock the best but never tried the 1.36. Now mine just isnt stable except at STD any bios (wish it would die alltogether)

Also want temps u getting under load - I found anything above 55 degrees celcius became unstable with air

Draxx
10-02-2005, 12:05 PM
Having trouble with 150 divider, I run system at 280 x 9 for 2.54GHz and the memory works fine at 180Mhz 2-2-2-10 1T 2.7v default (BH-6), now when I enable the 150 Mhz mem divider I get 210Mhz on the memory which is what I want.

However, running at 2.8v 2-3-2-10 1T its fine in Windows, but load up 3D Mark it crashes.

Any advice on BIOS setting doe the BH-6 at 210Mhz?

Thanks

Nossie
10-02-2005, 12:05 PM
Temps :

CPU @ stock 3500+
Idle : 27-29
Load : 37-39

CPU @ 3800+ 1.47volt ( i can try at lower volt i think )
idle : 29-31
load : 39-43

cooled with zalman CNPS9500LED + 3 intake & 2 outtake fans. so i think temps are not realy the problem

Mehran
10-02-2005, 12:20 PM
Mehran - it sounds like your overclock is too high, that is why it freezes

No, I don't think so. is 2700 much?!?!?! :confused:
I don't know what the hell happened.
I mean I could overclock it to 2700 vary easily.
But now I can't.
Another strange problem I have is I can have my ram running @ DDR 497 very stable. And of course I can run my CPU at 2700 but not really stable.
So... I have to set the multiplier to x9 and my ram running at 166 with 3.0 3 3 8 at 2.80v. And I set my HTT at 300. the Vcore is about 1.65. But my computer is unable to POST :eek: :(
And the other problem was the USB problem as I mentioned above.
Any suggestion?
Thx in advance everyone. ;)

Zeus...
10-02-2005, 12:34 PM
Having trouble with 150 divider, I run system at 280 x 9 for 2.54GHz and the memory works fine at 180Mhz 2-2-2-10 1T 2.7v default (BH-6), now when I enable the 150 Mhz mem divider I get 210Mhz on the memory which is what I want.

However, running at 2.8v 2-3-2-10 1T its fine in Windows, but load up 3D Mark it crashes.

Any advice on BIOS setting doe the BH-6 at 210Mhz?

Thanks


210Mhz @ 2.8v 2-3-2-10 1T sounds abit on the tight side to me- thats why it crashes in 3dmark


Nossie
CPU @ 3800+ 1.47volt ( i can try at lower volt i think )
idle : 29-31
load : 39-43


well with those temps up or lower the volts 43 load is good

Draxx
10-02-2005, 12:51 PM
210Mhz @ 2.8v 2-3-2-10 1T sounds abit on the tight side to me- thats why it crashes in 3dmark


I though BH could to those tight timings stock is 200Mhz 2-2-2-5 at 2.7v.

Millyons
10-02-2005, 01:05 PM
just give them more volts, give them 2.85 thats no problem for them that makes it 2.9 real voltage. make sure u leave trcd @ 3 and then use A64 tweaker in windows to change it to 2 since the vdimm drops 0.1v if trcd is set to 2 in bios. if you are concerned put a fan over them but honestly 2.9 is NOTHING for BH based ram. I even had my CH5 at 3.4v for months without a fan

Draxx
10-02-2005, 01:28 PM
just give them more volts, give them 2.85 thats no problem for them that makes it 2.9 real voltage. make sure u leave trcd @ 3 and then use A64 tweaker in windows to change it to 2 since the vdimm drops 0.1v if trcd is set to 2 in bios. if you are concerned put a fan over them but honestly 2.9 is NOTHING for BH based ram. I even had my CH5 at 3.4v for months without a fan

So currently having it set at 2-2-2-10 1T at 2.7v is actually 2.6v??

Why is this?

Millyons
10-02-2005, 01:50 PM
So currently having it set at 2-2-2-10 1T at 2.7v is actually 2.6v??

Why is this?


Yap

don't know why that happens but it does, try what i said and let us know what u got

Zeus...
10-02-2005, 02:37 PM
I though BH could to those tight timings stock is 200Mhz 2-2-2-5 at 2.7v.

200MHz np but you said 210MHz! so its up the volts or relax the timings

el rolio
10-02-2005, 08:07 PM
random update:

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=41332

basically was bored this evening for a bit, and hot too :O ? anyhoo decided to just go for the 2700 with the mem on a divider. so obviously first choice is 300 x 9 instead of 270 x 10. well without upping my over vid % to 10 (and its hot and i am awaitin my panaflo's for the rad) the temps would be like 55 deg on load so thats a waste of time. anyhoo so as you can see im runnin 295 in the meantime. will go for the full 2.7 ghz when i get the new fans + winter is cominnnnnnnnng! all for you mr westcoast

oh and cuz duh roli..... cpu mhz is king!

sideeffect
10-02-2005, 10:14 PM
atm im running 4 x HT, 10 x 245HTT, VID + 5.0% ( 1.47volt +- ) , 166memory divider (memory @ 204mhz).
(venice e6 3500+)

I hate to plug my own bios but ....

It has 183 divider and the 183 divider is exactly the same memory settings as the 200 divider. The 166 and 150 are both tighter. Might be worth you trying it to see if you can run memory higher with 183 divider.

FlyingHamster
10-02-2005, 10:18 PM
I hate to plug my own bios but ....

It has 183 divider and the 183 divider is exactly the same memory settings as the 200 divider. The 166 and 150 are both tighter. Might be worth you trying it to see if you can run memory higher with 183 divider.

which bios are u talking about?

D3kMatrix
10-02-2005, 10:29 PM
which bios are u talking about?

v1.A and v1.B MOD versions

Link for downloads are in his sig and mine.

Mehran
10-03-2005, 03:40 AM
No, I don't think so. is 2700 much?!?!?! :confused:
I don't know what the hell happened.
I mean I could overclock it to 2700 vary easily.
But now I can't.
Another strange problem I have is I can have my ram running @ DDR 497 very stable. And of course I can run my CPU at 2700 but not really stable.
So... I have to set the multiplier to x9 and my ram running at 166 with 3.0 3 3 8 at 2.80v. And I set my HTT at 300. the Vcore is about 1.65. But my computer is unable to POST :eek: :(
And the other problem was the USB problem as I mentioned above.
Any suggestion?
Thx in advance everyone. ;)

What kind of forum is this?! Do I have to quote my questions every time I visit?
I don't know why everyone ignores me :confused:
U all answer everyone but me. Thats not fair. :nono:

Mehran
10-03-2005, 05:23 AM
Yeah, thx man. I was thinking about that too. Now I really think that there are some people here who can help me.
I should be doing that too. But since my mobo is the same as this topic I thought I can get my questins answered right here.

theDUD3
10-03-2005, 06:09 AM
koo, nice work.

I'll update the page as soon as I can tommorow =)

BTW I think I might have been successfull in getting my GT to clock to its normal OC of Ultra settings in the 1.B Standard MOD :D

wow! if you really got to overclock your vidcard to it's pre 1.A+ levels that would be awesome! my venice really got an OC boost with the 1.Bmod but my AGP-vidcard doesn't OC as well as it used to with the 1.8 and lower bios version.

how did you do it?

thanks! :D

Nossie
10-03-2005, 06:43 AM
It has 183 divider and the 183 divider is exactly the same memory settings as the 200 divider. The 166 and 150 are both tighter. Might be worth you trying it to see if you can run memory higher with 183 divider.

tried that but no :( just cant get my memory over HTT 219 stable. ONLY with Cpu multiplier @ 4x, memory divider 200 i can be stable over HTT219. If i try higher or lower CPU multi's i cant boot windows.

( tested my ram in a DFI nf4 and it runs 240mhz 2-2-2-5 easy )

EDIT : hmm maby it got something do to with my Promise Fasttrack TX2200 raid-0 card that i cant get past 219 in windows what u guys think :o

Chicco85
10-03-2005, 07:04 AM
Hi Guys....

I have a cold boot problem with my neo2 board. The main can't boot over 260 MHz of HTT. I tried a lot of bios (1.8, 1.B, 1.B Sideeffect...), but the situation never change.

My confing is in signature, except the pqi ram modules (they're in taiwan for RMA..).

What can i do?

Thankyou... :)

P.s.: the HT molti (3x) doesn't change the situation.

Edit: I can't see the signature... Anyway, here you are my config:

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (Winchester) @ (2640 Mhz, V-core 1,520) Monoblock
MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum
2x512 Pqi turbo R3 pc3200 (Samsung TCCD - Brainpower PCB)
Ati Radeon x800pro BBA

Garrett
10-03-2005, 09:20 AM
wow! if you really got to overclock your vidcard to it's pre 1.A+ levels that would be awesome! my venice really got an OC boost with the 1.Bmod but my AGP-vidcard doesn't OC as well as it used to with the 1.8 and lower bios version.

how did you do it?

thanks! :D
Could you be more specific when you speak about "my venice really got an OC boost" :D

I mean what speed did you get @ what voltage before, and what speed @ what voltage do you get now? :)

PS Mehran, have a little more patience please :slapass:

Quite honestly XtremeSystems is one of, if not THE best, forums I know :thumbsup:

sideeffect
10-03-2005, 11:21 AM
What kind of forum is this?! Do I have to quote my questions every time I visit?
I don't know why everyone ignores me :confused:
U all answer everyone but me. Thats not fair. :nono:

Mehran We can only help if we have an idea of the problem. If you make a signature of your specifications that helps as well.

As Special_K said to you before your probably expecting to much of your system. If its not stable at 2700 theres only so much you can do before you have to except it and work towards a lower overclock.

And you also need to realise the people that come here are not MSI help staff or admins we're just people like you who want to find information about the neo 2 and chat about our systems.

Mehran
10-03-2005, 11:51 AM
Mehran We can only help if we have an idea of the problem. If you make a signature of your specifications that helps as well.

As Special_K said to you before your probably expecting to much of your system. If its not stable at 2700 theres only so much you can do before you have to except it and work towards a lower overclock.

And you also need to realise the people that come here are not MSI help staff or admins we're just people like you who want to find information about the neo 2 and chat about our systems.

Thx but I don't think so about overclocking. It's just that I could run it at 2700 but now I can't! I mean what happened?
And I tested your 1.B bios too. I think it lacks in some areas but still good.
For example I can not use x9.5 multiplier.
I know that u r not MSI staff!!! It's just that u r more experienced than me.
And about my sig.
I have already written my specs.
thx for at least responding me! :)

D3kMatrix
10-03-2005, 11:57 AM
Thx but I don't think so about overclocking. It's just that I could run it at 2700 but now I can't! I mean what happened?
And I tested your 1.B bios too. I think it lacks in some areas but still good.
For example I can not use x9.5 multiplier.
I know that u r not MSI staff!!! It's just that u r more experienced than me.
And about my sig.
I have already written my specs.
thx for at least responding me! :)

There was a big thing a while back where a lot of people were complaining that after a while there normally 24/7 stable overclocks were starting to degrade and become unstable after a while with the Neo2.

If you do a seach you could probably find the thread, I'm at work right now so I dont have the time to find it for you.

That or some setting was different before letting you clock higher.
Maybe you were using a diff BIOS that had diff default RAM timings?

Mehran
10-03-2005, 12:01 PM
Nope. I have used every single bios. Currently 1.36 MOD that gives u 1.9v.
What should I search for plz?
I didn't know that i'm not the only one who has this problem!

sideeffect
10-03-2005, 01:19 PM
If you still have the box that came with the crucial ballistix check the serial number and see if it ends in 505 or 503.

505 are double sided 503 are single sided. You can also check on windows boot when it detects the ram it will say how many banks it has sinle sided will say like 1 and 2 double sided will say 1 2 3 and 4.

Well i have tried both and the 505 double sided work better on the neo 2 the 503 didnt work well at all. They did however scale higher. I found more stability at higher HTT with the 503 for example 270 was more stable than 250.

Budwise
10-03-2005, 09:02 PM
If you still have the box that came with the crucial ballistix check the serial number and see if it ends in 505 or 503.

505 are double sided 503 are single sided. You can also check on windows boot when it detects the ram it will say how many banks it has sinle sided will say like 1 and 2 double sided will say 1 2 3 and 4.

Well i have tried both and the 505 double sided work better on the neo 2 the 503 didnt work well at all. They did however scale higher. I found more stability at higher HTT with the 503 for example 270 was more stable than 250.


i have a set and they are the 503's however they are dual sided/banked. Even checked in CPUZ, and they are both dual bank/dual sided. These are the 2X1GB sticks...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/Budwise/Ballistix2.jpg

sideeffect
10-03-2005, 11:01 PM
Yes Budwise i wasn't talking about the 1gb sticks they are double sided i was asking Mehran who has 2 x 512 mb sticks.

505 2 x 256 mb = single sided
505 2 x 512mb = double sided
503 2 x 512mb = single sided
503 2 x 1gb = double sided

Losphoron
10-04-2005, 03:00 AM
My kingmax 512mb pc3200 go only at 235mhz.. 1.1 but at that frequency the games freezing but windows is ok..

Mehran
10-04-2005, 04:54 AM
If you still have the box that came with the crucial ballistix check the serial number and see if it ends in 505 or 503.

505 are double sided 503 are single sided. You can also check on windows boot when it detects the ram it will say how many banks it has sinle sided will say like 1 and 2 double sided will say 1 2 3 and 4.

Well i have tried both and the 505 double sided work better on the neo 2 the 503 didnt work well at all. They did however scale higher. I found more stability at higher HTT with the 503 for example 270 was more stable than 250.
Sorry, But I think u don't know exactly what module I have!
It's not a ballistix!
It's just a simple one and of course a cheap one! :stick: :banana:
It runs at DDR400 2.6v PC3200! 3.0 3 3 8
I overclocked it to DDR500 (250) 2.80v 3.0 3 3 8!
So what now?
Any ideas?

Draxx
10-04-2005, 05:22 AM
Sure its stable at those speeds? Have you run memtest to check?

ridczak
10-04-2005, 06:19 AM
i found something, set your HT multi 4x, CPU multi 4x, HTT/FSB @ 230-260, memory divider = 200.

Now im stable in windows @ 240 2-2-2-5 3.3v. But my CPU is only @ 960mhz lol.

Only with these settings i can boot with my memory @ stable higher then 218mhz :



so i think there is something wrong with the bioses, they are forcing different settings on the ram @ different dividers/CPU multi's or something ;s, or the motherboard just isnt very compatible with our bh-5 sticks

With CPU multi 4x memory divider is /5!!! So it is not real 240MHz! Its 960/5 = 192MHz. I had similar problem and also thought that witx 4x my BH-5 worked 250 cl2225 ;) (see my previous posts) - so try cpu multi 5x and probably you will find it not working :(

As for my case, I'm trying to exchange my OCZ Gold for Buffalo PC3200 CL 2-2-2 (seems like TCCD???). I have problems even with 200-210MHz on memory & cl2 - 2,5 (dual channel - single seems more stable) - the only stable configuration is to have memory <= 200MHz. :slash: OCZ (hopefully).

theDUD3
10-04-2005, 07:47 AM
BTW I think I might have been successfull in getting my GT to clock to its normal OC of Ultra settings in the 1.B Standard MOD :D


how did you do it!? that surely woud be great!

thanks!

Mehran
10-04-2005, 09:29 AM
Sure its stable at those speeds? Have you run memtest to check?
Of course I have! No errors+Prime test.
Completely stable.
I was pretty suprised when I achieved that result. :D

sideeffect
10-04-2005, 12:46 PM
Yes the crucial ballistix are just handpicked chips from the regular crucial batch so some of the cheaper sticks can also get to DDR500.

Budwise
10-04-2005, 01:41 PM
Yes Budwise i wasn't talking about the 1gb sticks they are double sided i was asking Mehran who has 2 x 512 mb sticks.

Roger that...

D3kMatrix
10-04-2005, 02:50 PM
BTW I think I might have been successfull in getting my GT to clock to its normal OC of Ultra settings in the 1.B Standard MOD


how did you do it!? that surely woud be great!

thanks!

Oh ya forgot to come back and mention that :P

I really don't know how I did it. But there was only one thing I did different then every other time I flashed my BIOS.

Normally when I flash my MB BIOS my GPU is at stock clocks. And then after the flash I re-OC it according how ever much the new BIOS will let me.
But this last time when I flashed to v1.B I forgot and left the card at Ultra clocks.

And now it just works, dunno.

But I really don't see how it makes any type of difference because the GPU only gets OC'ed once you enter windows. Weird...

[XC] DragonOrta
10-04-2005, 04:45 PM
Sorry for the lame question, but will an X2 work with bios 1.A SE modded TCCD?

Rbreb13
10-04-2005, 04:48 PM
yes, any BIOS 1.9 and higher will recognize the X2.

[XC] DragonOrta
10-04-2005, 05:18 PM
thanks

Mehran
10-05-2005, 06:07 AM
Yes the crucial ballistix are just handpicked chips from the regular crucial batch so some of the cheaper sticks can also get to DDR500.
Really?
I didn't know that.
Now how do I find out whether mine is single sided or double?

VaCreeper
10-05-2005, 01:31 PM
I'd still like to know if there is a program that will display dimm voltage on the desktop :confused:

TY

Creeper

Draxx
10-05-2005, 01:31 PM
I'd still like to know if there is a program that will display dimm voltage on the desktop :confused:

TY

Creeper

The only programme I know is Core cell, but that sucks ;)

VaCreeper
10-05-2005, 01:33 PM
Thanx! I'll give it a look!

:)

Creeper

VaCreeper
10-05-2005, 01:59 PM
:eek: Whoa! What a crappy looking program. I wish SysTool would add vdimm readings.

Oh well, thanx anyway :)

Creeper

D3kMatrix
10-05-2005, 02:43 PM
Corecell doesn't display your vdimm. That vdimm number u see in corecell is just the setting you can change. It is not a reading.

sideeffect
10-05-2005, 07:40 PM
Yep listen to D3kMatrix he is wise.

Only way to get a vdimm reading is with a multimeter. there are two points to choose from.

http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//Vddr.jpghttp://www.frontiernet.net/~hill195/ne2p/vdimm.jpg

Losphoron
10-05-2005, 11:27 PM
The only programme I know is Core cell, but that sucks ;)

no really if you know the defaults...For me the CMOS reset pin is positioned excellent but with corecell i test more oc without resetting the bios (after some time becomes booring) if a setting is wrong...

Mehran
10-06-2005, 03:47 AM
Yeah! D3KMatrix is right!
They say that you have to read the vdimm on the hardware at the reading points with a multimeter.

Mehran
10-06-2005, 06:37 AM
BTW I have discovered something that is at least true for my self!
I could reach 2500 without increasing VCORE!
But I'm currently setting my divider @ DDR200!
Why is that? I mean I can get my computer stable at 2500 without increasing my VCorc? But when I set my ram at DDR400 for example I'm not stable without 1.6VCore?

Aleister
10-06-2005, 06:44 AM
Wow.. so many posts since I last visited here.. :)

I have a MSI K8N Neo2, Athlon 64 3000+, and 2x512 of G.Skill PC4400 F1-3200DSU2-1GBLE (TCCD) (which I paid a decent amount for because of its OC capabilities).

Right now I am running at 2340 Mhz (260 x 9), with a 1:1 ratio at 1T, 2.5-4-8-4. I was running a bit higher, but I can't complain too much.

Lately I have been thinking about going up to 2 gigs of ram. I run a lot of heavier apps, and I am using XP64. It is just a hard decision, since in doubling my ram, I will probably loose some speed.

I do not plan on buying super-expensive ram if I replace it. Probably around $200-$230. I figure I could at least get a good bit back for my current ram on Ebay since it still retails around $200 (the lowest I found so far). I do not want to get any real cheap stuff, but I am trying to keep the cost down.

Is anyone out there doing any good overclocking with 2x1024? Is there one particular type of ram that is doing good for this board? (As far as 1 gig sticks). Thanks for any info.

VaCreeper
10-06-2005, 09:11 AM
I run 4x 512 OCZ 3200 Plats @ 243x11 / 1.1 / 2T / 2.5 3 3 8
You'll be able to do better wiyh 2x 1042.

:D Creeper

P.S. @ SE. Can I use my old Sears Multimeter? What settings?

TY

Mehran
10-06-2005, 09:59 AM
What kind of problem is this?
I now really can't run stable at 2700 even with 1.80v!
I was pretty stable at about a month ago but now i'm not. I could easily run SuperPI 32M calculation but now I get a BSOD. Someone said that there is a problem with this mobo. I don't know, so what do u all say? thx

wussupnext
10-06-2005, 10:06 AM
Hey, I have a question :)

I just bough an MSI neo2-F as well as a Thermalright neo backplate, just in case....

So I was wondering if the standard backplate already attached to the socket of my neo2-F will be sufficient to hold that Big Typhoon, or should I install the Thermalright Backplate instead ?

Do I need to install the thermalright backplate directly under, above the standard mounted backplate, or should I remove the standard one before installing the thermalright one ?

than for your time :)

Aleister
10-06-2005, 01:09 PM
Hey, I have a question :)

I just bough an MSI neo2-F as well as a Thermalright neo backplate, just in case....

So I was wondering if the standard backplate already attached to the socket of my neo2-F will be sufficient to hold that Big Typhoon, or should I install the Thermalright Backplate instead ?

Do I need to install the thermalright backplate directly under, above the standard mounted backplate, or should I remove the standard one before installing the thermalright one ?

than for your time :)

I would certainly take the old one off, and use the new one. I have never heard of two backplates being used at the same time, and I have installed a good number of HSF's. I imagine it would not be a good idea, if even possible. :)

Nossie
10-06-2005, 02:54 PM
new Beta BIOS for K8N Neo2 MS-7025 1C3 become availible today .

Solved By MSI in 1C3 :
Invoke error on nvidia lan option rom (PXE boot)

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~chsmith/Syars_Bios_Collection/NEO2/7025CUST1-1C3.zip


2 bioses inside
-7025CU1A.1C3 = Unmodified/Untouched Beta Bios
-7025Cu1E.1C3 = Beta bios modded by Syar (Msi Forum)
.txt included

gonna test it tomorrow i think, hope it will solve the invoke error i got with my Promise Raid pci card

EDIT.

D3kMatrix
10-06-2005, 03:01 PM
2 bioses inside
-7025CU1A.1C3 = Official
-7025Cu1E.1C3 = modded by Syar (Msi Forum)
.txt included

gonna test it tomorrow i think, hope it will solve the invoke error i got with my Promise Raid pci card

Just so you know thats not an Offical BIOS, it's a Beta.

If anything call it an Unmodified/Untouched Beta so people don't think its the final release. Even though its kinda obvious by the 3 (Beta v3)

sideeffect
10-06-2005, 03:08 PM
Well good news about the 3.5 and 4.5 HTT multiplier. Im a little dissapointed that there are still no more ram timings.

Zeus...
10-06-2005, 03:11 PM
What kind of problem is this?
I now really can't run stable at 2700 even with 1.80v!
I was pretty stable at about a month ago but now i'm not. I could easily run SuperPI 32M calculation but now I get a BSOD. Someone said that there is a problem with this mobo. I don't know, so what do u all say? thx

sounds like another mem controller giving up the overclock to me :( happen to me on my 3500winnie and 3200venice

D3kMatrix
10-06-2005, 03:17 PM
Well good news about the 3.5 and 4.5 HTT multiplier. Im a little dissapointed that there are still no more ram timings.

Yeah, 3.5 HTT multi will be perfect for me if it works right.

280x3.5 = 980HT :D

sideeffect
10-06-2005, 03:37 PM
Well it looks like a good bios from MSI but the least modable in ages becaue everything is already on. Going to make a mod anyway because its too cluttered at the moment.

They still have the read preamble and max async values in the code just begging to be activated. Still they dont activate them :mad:

I think 1.C final will be the last bios for a while from MSI for the neo2. I just hope they activate those last few memory timings before then or I dont think it will ever be done.

Edit - i was viewing the SYAR mod so no wonder everything was activated :p:

Losphoron
10-06-2005, 04:04 PM
sideefect the 18% Vcore value is missing again...

D3kMatrix
10-06-2005, 04:12 PM
sideefect the 18% Vcore value is missing again...

It never worked anyway so whats the point of it being there? Just confuses people because they set their voltage higher but nothing really happens :P

Only MSI displays options that do nothing :P

syar2003
10-06-2005, 04:12 PM
Hi !
I was about to post a link to this but someone got ahead of me .



The CU1A/CU1E is both customized (modded) by me .

CU1A is all options availible

CU1E is EasyBIOS where all sane dafault options are set
but alot of non essensial things taken away from the cmos setup menu's.
This is the one I use myself btw , easier to navigate through .

3.5x/4.5x HT multipliers is not in the MSI beta w7025NMS.1C3

I also enabled 150Mhz and 183Mhz like SE's has done in his bioses .

Other than the setupmenu's both are identical modded and have the same defaults .

I can now boot from SATA drive connected to my SIL 3112 PCI card while
nvraid is enabled .
So can get back to XP64 and XP32 separate without boot ini again .Wohoo i guess .
So the SCSI PCI raid boot should also be corrected as the option rom boot invoke error is gone forever .


Edit:
I have looked at the 13-18% code and they have placed a jump in the code
so if set it jumps to default vcore .

sideeffect
10-06-2005, 04:52 PM
syar2003 did you test the 3.5x and 4.5 x to make sure they work then?

Because i tested them before after enabling them in 1.A and they both defaulted to 5x so unless MSI has fixed them i dont think they will work. Im going to test in a minute i just modded my own variation with added timings.

Edit - the HTT multiplier sets and shows in bios as 3.5 but when u go to windows and check value with a application it is 5x with the 1.A bios after the code hack.

Edit - also the way you added the text for 150 you have changed the ordering for the higher dividers. Its not a problem as the 233 and 250 dont work anyway but if they did they would be set to 216 and 233.

syar2003
10-06-2005, 05:50 PM
Thanks SE !

I wasn't aware that the 3.5/4.5x HT multipliers defaulted to 5x , my bad :(
Just tested it with 3.5x 220 and had to reset cmos .
Also checked with everest and confirms what you found out earlier .
3.5x 200 gives 1000HT .
So not much use to have theme there .
And post a warning ( DON'T USE 3.5x or 4.5X HT MULTIPLIER )


I'm aware of the 216/233/250 dividers but didn't see any use to change the text on them as they give 100mhz/200mhz/130mhz anyway .
If they actually worked it would matter .


It looks to me that this BIOS only has the boot fix compared to 1B .
Afterall I sendt them a faultreport on that issue on 1Aug and asked again yesterday . Shortly after there was a 1C3 availible .

sideeffect
10-06-2005, 06:45 PM
I have released my 1.C3 mod bios.

Standared Ballistix and TCCD versions all available.

- All new bios layout
- Added 150 and 183 dividers
- New logos
- Better defaults

My site (http://www.swjka.com/neo2)

sideeffect
10-06-2005, 06:49 PM
I'm aware of the 216/233/250 dividers but didn't see any use to change the text on them as they give 100mhz/200mhz/130mhz anyway .
If they actually worked it would matter

Best thing to do is disable the 216 233 and 250 dividers while you add the new text.

Also if i were you i would re-release your bios with the HTT values removed or else somebody might blame you when they try to run 270 HTT with 3.5 multi and it defaults to 1350 and corrupts their bios.

D3kMatrix
10-06-2005, 10:18 PM
I had a feeling the new multi's were too good to be true :P

Napoleonic
10-07-2005, 12:38 AM
do raising the AGP voltage will help for ocing??

I don't believe this, 4, 8, 16M spi @250x10 1.4volt success but nothing can make my rig run @2600Mhz :(:(:(

syar2003
10-07-2005, 01:21 AM
Best thing to do is disable the 216 233 and 250 dividers while you add the new text.

Also if i were you i would re-release your bios with the HTT values removed or else somebody might blame you when they try to run 270 HTT with 3.5 multi and it defaults to 1350 and corrupts their bios.


Thanks SE !
I have re released it as Custom rev.2 as suggested .
The BIOS can't be corrupt cause it's hard flashed , guess you mean
CMOS-memory corrupsion .
3.5x / 4.5x removed .
And did as you suggested about the memory indexes .
Tidy'd up ,and higher dividers/mem index 216/233/250 taken out ,
as there is no use for them in this version .

sideeffect
10-07-2005, 01:50 AM
Thanks SE !
I have re released it as Custom rev.2 as suggested .
The BIOS can't be corrupt cause it's hard flashed , guess you mean
CMOS-memory corrupsion .
3.5x / 4.5x removed .
And did as you suggested about the memory indexes .
Tidy'd up ,and higher dividers/mem index 216/233/250 taken out ,
as there is no use for them in this version .

Hi syar2003 The bios can be corrupt even though its hard flashed. I have done it myself. Some motherboards are more prone to it than others but it can happen on any board.

If you want to test it out. Set a stupid overclock level like say 400 x 10 then save. Its because even though the bios is hardflashed its still read from and reading from it can corrupt it at a high overclock when system is nowhere near stable.

I really suggest you dont test it out unless you have a bios saviour.

theDUD3
10-07-2005, 03:08 AM
thanks for the modded bios SE, i hope my vidcard would oc to the pre-1.9 frequencies with this bios.

keep up the great work. :D

sideeffect
10-07-2005, 03:27 AM
I'ts a strange thing with videocards and the bios. Seems some overclock better post 1.9 mine included. Where as others overclock less or have freezing.

Even cards of the same design dont follow a pattern.

As for drivers well i've been trying many recently and my favourite nvidia drivers which really do deserve a mention are the Beta 81.84. Iq and performance are top notch.

As for some other things i have noticed to do with nvidia graphics drivers and the neo 2.

77.77 drivers at 80 mhz agp frequency 250 HTT x 4 HTT crashes games.
77.77 drivers at 66 mhz agp frequency 250 HTT x 4 HTT Game stable.
77.77 drivers at 80 mhz agp frequency 250 HTT x 3 HTT Game stable.

81.84 drivers at 80 mhz agp frequency 250 HTT x 4 HTT Game stable.

Thats at my maximum overclocks for the card which is also different in each driver version but with the 81.84 im at my max and no freezing crashes.

Why run at 80 mhz agp? Well its worth about 150 points in 3dMark2005. It also is faster for real world games as well like FEAR, Doom3 etc.

Mehran
10-07-2005, 04:02 AM
Hey! I changed my bios from 1.36 Mod to 1.B SE!
That's great for OCing! I can now get my computer stable @ 2650 also.
I'm looking for at least 2700 stable.

Napoleonic
10-07-2005, 05:47 AM
can someone answer my question from the last page?

stw500
10-07-2005, 06:00 AM
can someone answer my question from the last page?

Rasising the agp vcore does sometimes help ocing, but depends on your mobo.

Some people say it helps when raising to 1,55V at least. But you shouldn't go higher than 1,7V because it could damage your graphic card.

Just try it for yourself, even the bios version may change the result.

sideeffect
10-07-2005, 06:20 AM
Doesnt help the chipset at all. Helps the graphics card though. I have mine set to 1.65. Is the most stable for me.

Napoleonic
10-07-2005, 08:14 AM
btw the BIOS 1B modded tccd version can't work with multi x9??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

stable here with 258x10 but can't load windows with 287x9 :slapass: :slapass: that's only 3mhz difference!

VaCreeper
10-07-2005, 10:10 AM
OK! Checked my vdimm, 2.83. In light of some of the previous post's should I turn it back? I sure don't want to cause a problem for my TCCD ram.

TY :D

Creeper

stw500
10-07-2005, 10:11 AM
Bios 1B Ballistic Version works perfectly with Multi 9x @ 288 HTT for me...

D3kMatrix
10-07-2005, 12:07 PM
btw the BIOS 1B modded tccd version can't work with multi x9??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

stable here with 258x10 but can't load windows with 287x9 :slapass: :slapass: that's only 3mhz difference!

Its possible that your board just can't handle the higher HTT.
And did you remeber to put your ram on a divider when going for that big of a jump in HTT?

Mehran
10-07-2005, 12:22 PM
What kind of bios is this 1.c one?!?!?!
I get get my system stable at 2700 now.
But I have to test it with super pi or prime.

D3kMatrix
10-07-2005, 01:42 PM
Updated my BIOS Page

Added 10 New BIOS's:

v1.C3 Beta - Un-Modded
v1.C3 Beta Mod Standard Edition by Sideeffect
v1.C3 Beta Mod Ballistic Edition by Sideeffect
v1.C3 Beta Mod TCCD Edition by Sideeffect
v.1C3 Beta XMOD by Murdok
v1.C3 Beta XXMOD by Murdok
v1.C3 Beta Mod All option by Syar
v1.C3 Beta Mod Easy Nab by Syar
v1.B Offical XMOD by Murdok
v1.B Official XXMOD by Murdok

el rolio
10-07-2005, 02:02 PM
hey guys, im thinkin AGAIN of tryin out a new bios (i keep loving the punishment) but mostly im running HIGH HTT now so i just want to know what some of these safe secondary ram settings should be, like the preamble or async latenncy or whatev. i need to open up my a64 tweaker to check em out, any ideas? also.... i need a screenshot 3rd party program to take some SS etc

sideeffect
10-07-2005, 07:40 PM
el rolio a good High HTT bios is the ballistix bios. Unless you have TCCD :p:

If the Max Async is any looser than 8ns it doesnt make it clock higher it actualy makes it less stable. Read Preamble also best settings seem to be between 5.0 ns and 6.5 ns.


Napoleonic the Multiplier compatibility is more to do with the chipset you have and or the cpu. Some boards and cpus will work better in different multipliers. Its just one of those things.

Also you cant forget that 258 x 10 is not the same as 287 x 9 even though the cpu mhz speed is the same you are putting a lot more stress on the memory controller. the more stress the memory controller has the less cpu clocks you will get.

Mehran The 1.C is basicaly the same as 1.B only change is fixing the nvidia lan rom boot error message.

el rolio
10-07-2005, 08:34 PM
el rolio a good High HTT bios is the ballistix bios. Unless you have TCCD :p:

If the Max Async is any looser than 8ns it doesnt make it clock higher it actualy makes it less stable. Read Preamble also best settings seem to be between 5.0 ns and 6.5 ns.


Napoleonic the Multiplier compatibility is more to do with the chipset you have and or the cpu. Some boards and cpus will work better in different multipliers. Its just one of those things.

Also you cant forget that 258 x 10 is not the same as 287 x 9 even though the cpu mhz speed is the same you are putting a lot more stress on the memory controller. the more stress the memory controller has the less cpu clocks you will get.



hey thanks, any of the other a64 tweaker settings important to look at? my async and preamble is both at the "good" settings.

wanna expand on how the different settings of the OC (even with same speed) is more or less stressing on the mem controller? i have the choice between using my plati rev 2's (tccx) or my gold's (bh-5 - though without necessary volts)

lemme kno homie, thanks for hte tips so far

sideeffect
10-07-2005, 09:05 PM
Read to write queue bybass of 16x and bypass max of 7x is faster in benchmarks and also seems more stable.

Idle cycle limit of 64clks increases stability with no loss of performance.

Dqs skew mode of slower takes the strain off the memory controller slightly and allows a few more mhz. Benchmarks very very slightly slower.

The timings i set in my ballistix bios

- Max Async = 8
- Read Write Queue bypass = 16
- Bypass max = 7
- Idle Cycle limit = 64
- DQS Skew Mode = slower

MSI defaults

- Max Async = 7
- Read Write Queue bypass = 8
- Bypass max = 4
- Idle Cycle limit = 16
- DQS Skew Mode = off

So i relaxed 3 timings and tightened up 2 timings. Result = ballistix bios faster than MSI bios at the same speed but also more stable.

Napoleonic
10-07-2005, 09:38 PM
Its possible that your board just can't handle the higher HTT.
And did you remeber to put your ram on a divider when going for that big of a jump in HTT?
:rolleyes: :nono: I wouldn't complaint if it didn't work in the OLDER BIOS......(1.3-1.5 including the modded versions)

D3kMatrix
10-07-2005, 09:46 PM
:rolleyes: :nono: I wouldn't complaint if it didn't work in the OLDER BIOS......(1.3-1.5 including the modded versions)

Well you never said that :P

sideeffect
10-07-2005, 10:34 PM
:rolleyes: :nono: I wouldn't complaint if it didn't work in the OLDER BIOS......(1.3-1.5 including the modded versions)

Then use that bios.

In 1.8 I could run at 300 HT x 10 but i couldnt in the newer bios files. They are not based on the same code. The bios files after 1.9 are re written and are actually based on the NEO 4 bios.

This doesnt make them worse though they are just different. I got a similar overclock just a different way. The extra features make it worth it for me. If you prefered the performance in 1.3-1.5 then use that bios.