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eva2000
10-19-2004, 09:59 AM
still testing 2x 512MB KHX3200/512 BH-5 @ 250mhz 2-2-2-6 at 3.38v vdimm but here's where I am at on DFI NF3 250Gb

this is the default AUTO values
http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/a64tweaker_default.jpg

Sandra 2004 PRO SP2b
AUTO Buffered = 3814/3814 (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/mem-buff.jpg)
Tweaked Buffered = 3840/3838 (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/mem-buff_11-13-2222-8x_4x_7ns_enabled1T.jpg)
AUTO Unbuffered = 2202/2231 (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/mem-unbuff.jpg)
Tweaked Unbuffered = 2326/2364 (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/mem-unbuff_11-13-2222-8x_4x_7ns_enabled1T.jpg)

AUTO Hexus Pifast = 49.83s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/pifast.jpg)
Tweaked Hexus Pifast = 48.88s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/pifast_twk.jpg)

SuperPI
AUTO 2M = 1min 24s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/superpi-2m.jpg)
Tweaked 2M = 1min 20s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/superpi-2m_twk.jpg)
AUTO 4M = 3min 04s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/superpi-4m.jpg)
Tweaked 4M = 2min 58s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/superpi-4m_twk.jpg)
AUTO 8M = 6min 41s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/superpi-8m.jpg)
Tweaked 8M = 6min 29s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/2x512/4_2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.8-DSlvl1/superpi-8m_twk.jpg)

STEvil
10-19-2004, 11:17 AM
Those are some ugly links lol ;)

Ubermann
10-19-2004, 11:32 AM
Why ?

Zeus
10-19-2004, 12:26 PM
Can anyone tell me why my system won't post if i set DRAM Drive Strength lower than level 3?
Level 4 and 3 are ok but level 1 and 2 result in a no post. :confused:

This is with 1 x 512 Mb OCZ EL plat rev2.

I think level 1 is essential for running DDR600. :(

Ubermann
10-19-2004, 12:34 PM
Thats strange, cuz i can only use level 1 and 2 with T1
A guess is that CO use 3-4 and CG use 1-2

spaceman
10-19-2004, 12:38 PM
eva2000, have a look at the tref thead, in the AMD forum. As they say, timing is everything. :D ;)

ugp
10-19-2004, 01:35 PM
I typically use Drive Strength Levels 3 or 4 and I have a C0 3200+

eva2000
10-19-2004, 09:19 PM
Those are some ugly links lol ;)
lol... saves me from trying to remember the settings i used in a few weeks after the fact hehe

spaceman, while Tref and tighter settings on DFI board are nice for sandra bandwidth, some won't be 100% stable - I'm surprised you can run 2x 512MB with Trc at 7 let alone the other tighter settings

try this use 2x 512MB BH-5 ram and leave all auto settings but Trc = 7 and Trfc = 12 and see how far you can oc ram so that SuperPi 16M and 32M are passable

ahfung
10-19-2004, 09:53 PM
lol... saves me from trying to remember the settings i used in a few weeks after the fact hehe

spaceman, while Tref and tighter settings on DFI board are nice for sandra bandwidth, some won't be 100% stable - I'm surprised you can run 2x 512MB with Trc at 7 let alone the other tighter settings

try this use 2x 512MB BH-5 ram and leave all auto settings but Trc = 7 and Trfc = 12 and see how far you can oc ram so that SuperPi 16M and 32M are passable

Trc and especially Trfc make little difference in performance. Dropping Trc from 7 to 12, Trfc from 14 to 15 give me extra of 2-3MHz stable memory overclock while keeping all other essential timings at very tight settings.

Typical I'd run Super Pi 8M to see if it's any faster, otherwise I'd give them a break.

Ubermann
10-19-2004, 09:57 PM
From what i notice TREF makes the biggest difference of them all.
You can tweak everything except timings in a64 tweaker and nothing much happends

reject
10-20-2004, 12:16 AM
also, dynamic idle cycle counter, when enabled gives me more everest write bandwidth, and disabled gives me a lower everest latency and higher read bandwidth

freestylercs
10-20-2004, 06:15 AM
Is anybody using a S-ATA HDD on this Board??

Many Boards with nforce 3 250GB have got a S-ATA Lock, therefore there are problems to overclock higher than 230-240MHz.

thx free

reject
10-20-2004, 07:15 AM
ports 3 and 4 have no probs at high HTT

Bourch
10-20-2004, 07:42 AM
Is anybody using a S-ATA HDD on this Board??

Many Boards with nforce 3 250GB have got a S-ATA Lock, therefore there are problems to overclock higher than 230-240MHz.

thx free

Just try sata 3&4 ports instead of 1&2
I'm running a Raptor on SATA-3 for system and a Seagate 160Gb on SATA-4
With that config you can go past 240 with no problem

Zeus
10-20-2004, 08:20 AM
Argh, finally had my sys doing DDR600 passing memtest, booting into windows was a disaster, unstable even at 290MHz. :(

I have the feeling my CPU can't cope with such high memory speeds, looks like i need a new CPU... :mad:

God, i'll be glad when i've had enough of this. :D

Ubermann
10-20-2004, 09:19 AM
Argh, finally had my sys doing DDR600 passing memtest, booting into windows was a disaster, unstable even at 290MHz. :(

I have the feeling my CPU can't cope with such high memory speeds, looks like i need a new CPU... :mad:

God, i'll be glad when i've had enough of this. :D

Give cpu more volt maybe ?

Zeus
10-20-2004, 09:21 AM
Give cpu more volt maybe ?

It was only running 290x7=2030MHz which is even lower than default speed.
I had voltage at 1.55V so it should be more than enough.

clueless... :(

Ubermann
10-20-2004, 09:44 AM
It was only running 290x7=2030MHz which is even lower than default speed.
I had voltage at 1.55V so it should be more than enough.

clueless... :(

Played with Chipset volts ?

Zeus
10-20-2004, 10:09 AM
Don't think i have to change chipset voltage since the board is Prime stable at 420HTT with just 1.6V or whatever default is.

Do you need to raise chipset voltage in order to get DDR600?

Ubermann
10-20-2004, 10:33 AM
Don't think i have to change chipset voltage since the board is Prime stable at 420HTT with just 1.6V or whatever default is.

Do you need to raise chipset voltage in order to get DDR600?

I always run it at 1.8 volt.
The few times i been running it at 1.6 i have had problems.
But im not 100% sure, i had it running at 1.8 since a month ago or so.

Rabbi_NZ
10-20-2004, 11:09 AM
Does anyone know when the 939 DFI LanParty is due for release?

DCR
10-20-2004, 11:13 AM
DFI says they will release it when they are happy with it....so, no one knows yet.

Rabbi_NZ
10-20-2004, 11:19 AM
DFI says they will release it when they are happy with it....so, no one knows yet.
thanks for the answer DCR

spaceman
10-20-2004, 06:08 PM
lol... saves me from trying to remember the settings i used in a few weeks after the fact hehe

spaceman, while Tref and tighter settings on DFI board are nice for sandra bandwidth, some won't be 100% stable - I'm surprised you can run 2x 512MB with Trc at 7 let alone the other tighter settings

try this use 2x 512MB BH-5 ram and leave all auto settings but Trc = 7 and Trfc = 12 and see how far you can oc ram so that SuperPi 16M and 32M are passable
Okay, I just finished checking stability with memtest86, and Trc=7 and Trfc=12 gave me 16 errors in test 5. 8 & 12 gave me 8 errors, with no other combos for those two settings making any improvement. I took a lucky guess, and tried changing Max Async Latency next. 6= a no post, but 8 gave me 0 errors in memtest86. :D Thanx for pointing me in the right direction, I really do appreciate it. :toast: Now to see if I can OC any higher, lol. :D

craig588
10-20-2004, 06:37 PM
I have been able to run memtest over a weekend with the BH5 at 245MHz with 3.3V with no errors with these settings:
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/9584/timingsc.jpg

ugp
10-20-2004, 06:41 PM
My chipset is always at v1.8 as well. I don't see any reason to lower it or raise it at all. I runs pretty cool even at v1.8. I really want to figure out how I can get higher bandwidth with a higher CPU clock. I have yet to find the right combo settings to make this work out right. I really need someone that has the DFI nF3, 3200+ C0, and a 1GB set of OCZ Plat Rev 2. So I have someone else to compare direct results with. If anyone knows anyone please refer them to here so I can get some help.

spaceman
10-20-2004, 08:58 PM
ugp, you oughta try 1.6 to the chipset. I think too much hinders your OC stability. Maybe the processor doesn't like it? I used to run mine @ 1.8 too, thinking more is better, but I don't think that's true here. I think that also applies to the AGP voltage, no diff in performance, so I just leave it @ 1.5. :) I kinda wonder if it affects the vid cards OCability tho. Might be a case of finding the best middle ground.

nutcase
10-20-2004, 11:29 PM
Playing around with my BH-6 and my trusty old 9800XT..

DFI LP uT NF3 with 10/05 Bios
3200+ CG @ 2650 Mhz (265x10)
1 256MB OCZ PC3200 Plat le (BH-6) @ 2-2-2-5 and 3.6V
Air cooled with XP90
OCZ Powerstream 420W Psu
ATI saphire Radeon 9800XT @ 440/392
Definately stable at these settings :toast:

reject
10-20-2004, 11:47 PM
those are really excellent scores

ahfung
10-20-2004, 11:54 PM
Playing around with my BH-6 and my trusty old 9800XT..

DFI LP uT NF3 with 10/05 Bios
3200+ CG @ 2650 Mhz (265x10)
1 256MB OCZ PC3200 Plat le (BH-6) @ 2-2-2-5 and 3.6V
Air cooled with XP90
OCZ Powerstream 420W Psu
ATI saphire Radeon 9800XT @ 440/392
Definately stable at these settings :toast:

This is a good result, but it's only 256MB so I guess not enough.

reject
10-21-2004, 01:50 AM
i hate how i need a gig for gaming, i woulld be getting waaay better scores and spending less money if 512 was enough

trey
10-21-2004, 02:23 AM
i still dont know why i only can use dimm1, need 2 test some other ram.

though i felt my chipsetpassivecooling, it was smoking hot, i would burn myself if i hold there for like 8 seconds or so, it cant be good if its so hot??

ahfung
10-21-2004, 03:07 AM
For my rig I only lose 2-3MHz between 512 and 1GB. The highest stable speed of my pair of Kingston Hynix running together is 262MHz vs 265MHz when single (both 2.5-3-3 1T). Since my 3200+ CH max out at around 2.6 - 2.65GHz at 1.78V, they make a perfect match + happy system.

If I were to get faster memory it'd need to do at least 290MHz 2.5-3-3 1T(290x9=2610) otherwise it'd pointless. I've tried a pair of Corsair TWINX XL and while these crazy TCCD can do 300MHz 2.5-3-3 1T, it's single only good for benchmarkings. For 2 sticks the highest I tested was probably less than 290MHz (not very sure on this because not enough time to test). I didn't want to gamble and returned it to my friend. I did compare the difference and it's less than 1 sec in SuperPi. Plus that I didn't want the hassle of selling my pair of good Kingston Hynix so I keep it for now.

Klisp
10-21-2004, 05:32 AM
i hate how i need a gig for gaming, i woulld be getting waaay better scores and spending less money if 512 was enough

I'm with you on that. :toast:

ugp
10-21-2004, 06:15 AM
i still dont know why i only can use dimm1, need 2 test some other ram.

though i felt my chipsetpassivecooling, it was smoking hot, i would burn myself if i hold there for like 8 seconds or so, it cant be good if its so hot??
When using one stick you want to use DIMM 1.

ugp
10-21-2004, 06:15 AM
ugp, you oughta try 1.6 to the chipset. I think too much hinders your OC stability. Maybe the processor doesn't like it? I used to run mine @ 1.8 too, thinking more is better, but I don't think that's true here. I think that also applies to the AGP voltage, no diff in performance, so I just leave it @ 1.5. :) I kinda wonder if it affects the vid cards OCability tho. Might be a case of finding the best middle ground.
Alright man I will give it a try. What exactly does that chipset do though?

EDIT: This is what I have decided to leave my system clocked at for 24/7 use. It performs fast enough for what I need it to do. 250x8.0

nutcase
10-21-2004, 07:25 AM
This is a good result, but it's only 256MB so I guess not enough.

well, since this is only a benching rig, I don't worry about how much ram it has.

The system that I use for gaming has my X800 Pro and a 3500+ in it. It is much more tolerant of the Ram, But won't overclock well..

But, I have found some Bugs still in the Bios that may cause trouble. On Mine, anytime I use ram made with winbond chips, if I change the FSB in Bios, It enables the Raid Controller and I have to do a reset to clear this. My Hynix based Ram does not do this though..

ugp
10-21-2004, 07:36 AM
Which BIOS are you using?

nutcase
10-21-2004, 07:56 AM
Which BIOS are you using?

I am using the 10/14 or 15? Bios with the 4V and memstat built in. But it did the same thing with the 9/14 Bios..

SunTzu69
10-21-2004, 05:50 PM
Well guys.. I finally get my board and it might be DOA. The only thing that happens when I try to boot is that I get the red "led1" to light up. No second led near the vdimms.

I tried clearing the bios (remove battry, change pins, etc.) and nothing different happened. I did verify my Fortron 530W in another system and it works fine.

Any suggestions ? Thanks all (I am disapointed.. been waiting 4 weeks to get this rig going and so begins the endless troubleshooting... )

EDIT: Got the mobile cpu working with a bios update and reset the Swiftech w/c block on her. Stable with 2x512MB 3700EB @ 2500Mhz : 3-3-2-8 and still working on her.

Perc
10-21-2004, 06:52 PM
hey guys i just got this DTR3400 in and running and ill be dammed if i can't fint the 1T/2T setting in the bios. i heard that if its a CO stepping youl not have the selection it will defualt to 1T and if you have the CG stepping youl see the option to change it from either 1Tor 2T. i have a CG stepping but i dont see the darn setting? also whats the CPC setting for? that doesnt control the 1T/2T setting does it? im running the 9/15 4v v-dimm modded bios....

thx perc,

wolfgang
10-21-2004, 06:56 PM
Its with all the ram timmings at the top. Thats what I gathered from the net as I have a co revision

spaceman
10-21-2004, 08:28 PM
also whats the CPC setting for? that doesnt control the 1T/2T setting does it?
thx perc,
Sure does. :) Enabled is 2t, disabled is 1t. I think CPC stands for command per clock.

spaceman
10-21-2004, 08:45 PM
Well guys.. I finally get my board and it might be DOA. The only thing that happens when I try to boot is that I get the red "led1" to light up. No second led near the vdimms.

I tried clearing the bios (remove battry, change pins, etc.) and nothing different happened. I did verify my Fortron 530W in another system and it works fine.

Any suggestions ? Thanks all (I am disapointed.. been waiting 4 weeks to get this rig going and so begins the endless troubleshooting... )
Start looking for info on page 27, almost everything before that was just anticipation talk. ;) I remember a couple peeps had similar probs, but were able to resolve it. Good luck. :) BTW, I was gonna find it for ya, but dang this is a long thread. :p: At least I eliminated 27 pages of reading for ya. :cool:

reject
10-21-2004, 11:53 PM
maybe a short or your cpu is dead or something

Mrki
10-22-2004, 12:47 AM
1x512 OCZ :D ...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/8x310_2.5_4_3_7_35sekpi_sisoftmem_4787.jpg



http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/8x310_2.5_4_3_7_prime_512.jpg

Ubermann
10-22-2004, 12:50 AM
Very nice!
I can only prime 310 with low multi =(
Post some settings ?

I have seen an other dude do the same and he had TRC at 7 also.

Mrki
10-22-2004, 01:00 AM
yes prime run but i have some problems with 3dmark ...

my settings ...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/8x310_2.5_4_3_7_a64tweaker_512.jpg

Ubermann
10-22-2004, 02:18 AM
Try TREF 166 3.x us or 7.x us

I also get lockups in 3dmark on some settings, dont really know what it depends on.

ahfung
10-22-2004, 02:36 AM
Sure does. :) Enabled is 2t, disabled is 1t. I think CPC stands for command per clock.

I think it's the opposite? Enable CPC = 1T and disable = 2T!

SunTzu69
10-22-2004, 03:57 AM
maybe a short or your cpu is dead or something

Thanks. Would a short on the cpu itself (with AS5 compound) cause the mobo/psu to not boot up at all? I only get a red led1 light... nothing else. I notice AS5 on two small components on the cpu where I didn't intend to have any (must have spread off the waterblock on install..)

SunTzu69
10-22-2004, 04:05 AM
THE POWER LED will be blinking between cpu is up/running and finished memory testing ...

If the cpu is not up/running bios code , the power led will not be blinking ...



Does this mean that if I have only a red "led1" light, not blinking, its more than likely a cpu issue ?

Thanks

ugp
10-22-2004, 04:57 AM
What does everyone using 'Air' cooling get for temps?

This is what I am idling at...

Just curious to see...

reject
10-22-2004, 05:53 AM
um about 40 load. but it doesnt seem to change with voltage or speed just ambient temp.

ugp
10-22-2004, 06:31 AM
um about 40 load. but it doesnt seem to change with voltage or speed just ambient temp.
What is it idle?

By the way...does anyone know the settings for motherboard monitor to report the right temps? Thanks.

spaceman
10-22-2004, 08:27 AM
I think it's the opposite? Enable CPC = 1T and disable = 2T!
Doh, sorry bout that, you're right. We figured that one out awhile back, and I haven't needed to look at it much. I knew it wanted to be enabled. ;) @ugp, it looks like smart guardian mixes up the sensors like SANDRA does. The highest temp is most likely your CPU temp. Mine reports a LOT higher, usually 47 or 48 idle, with 1.75v. :( It's plenty stable tho, plus it's a mobile chip, running 700+MHz above stock, so I'm not too worried. :)

Catalan
10-22-2004, 11:50 AM
Here's my results so far, still trying to get stable at 2.4GHz. I think my CPU is poop: http://james.elbbit.com/Fire/upload/userfiles/overclockers/OCForums/Catalan/benchmark.JPG

Scyphe
10-22-2004, 07:03 PM
You should increase voltage on that CPU with at LEAST 0.1v.

BIOS setting: 1.500 & 110% should take you higher...

SunTzu69
10-22-2004, 07:24 PM
Well guys.. I finally get my board and it might be DOA. The only thing that happens when I try to boot is that I get the red "led1" to light up. No second led near the vdimms.

I tried clearing the bios (remove battry, change pins, etc.) and nothing different happened. I did verify my Fortron 530W in another system and it works fine.

Any suggestions ? Thanks all (I am disapointed.. been waiting 4 weeks to get this rig going and so begins the endless troubleshooting... )

Guys, I finally got it to boot !! However, now I am stuck at a "no signal to monitor" issue. I've tried two video cards - no luck. I've tried clearing the cmos 2-3 times (2 minutes to clear) - no luck. I don't think it's a power issue either, everything else seems ok and it is a Fortron 530W.

Any ideas re my AGP slot issue, if this is indeed the prob ? Thanks

reject
10-22-2004, 11:13 PM
is the vga/dvi cable screwed in tight and is the card snug in agp slot and is the molex in tight?

SunTzu69
10-23-2004, 06:07 AM
Yes I believe that they are.

No luck so far...

Should I try to force the card around in the slot to see if it will give... how far should I go. The fan on the video card works by the way, I thought this might be usefull information.

I tried reseating the card 3-4 times, pushing it in... pushing it up higher and screwing it in. I also tried to plug the molex in deeper and tighter, and with an adapter as well and different feeds of the psu.

I am trying to keep my sanity. What is needed so that stuborn AGP slots come to life, if this is the case? Is it gently putting the card in over and over? Moving it around while it is in there or being a bit more forcefull when the card it in.

Thanks

reject
10-23-2004, 06:19 AM
no, best not to force it. maybe its your vga cable? or maybe something in the POST cycle before agp, like memory?

SunTzu69
10-23-2004, 06:24 AM
Thanks for the info. I am going out-of-case again, and I will try to play with the memory (OCZ EB - new, tried to switch sticks, no go so far).

reject
10-23-2004, 06:29 AM
i put the sticks in 1 and 3 and worked perfectly from day 1

eva2000
10-23-2004, 06:59 AM
Guys, with DFI board past 2700+ mhz did you have to up vAGP voltage at all to get it stable particularly with SuperPi 8M, 16M, and 32M etc ? i.e. increase from 1.5v to 1.6v at all ?

ugp
10-23-2004, 08:06 AM
Why would AGP Volatge have anything to do with it?

SoundWave
10-23-2004, 08:12 AM
When I clock over 240HTT my SATA drives doesn´t work. With IDE drive I can clock over 300HTT.

Any solution to that?

reject
10-23-2004, 08:26 AM
change to SATA ports 3 and 4
AGP voltage is part of the chipset I/O so it makes a bit of a difference. i have it at 1.6 for 270HT and 1.7 for 325/252

SoundWave
10-23-2004, 08:56 AM
change to SATA ports 3 and 4
AGP voltage is part of the chipset I/O so it makes a bit of a difference. i have it at 1.6 for 270HT and 1.7 for 325/252

Thanks! Now I can at least boot into Windows at 260HTT :D

Zeus
10-23-2004, 12:01 PM
1x512 OCZ :D ...


What mem? EB??
settings?

Mrki
10-23-2004, 12:39 PM
What mem? EB??
settings?

no, thats 1x512 OCZ 3200EL Rev.2 TCCD @ 2.8VDimm ;)

Mrki
10-23-2004, 12:41 PM
some little update with a Clawhammer 3200+ and OCZ EL Rev.2

35Sek. @ 2430MHz :D

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/9x270_ocz_2.5_3_3_7_28530.jpg

Ubermann
10-23-2004, 01:06 PM
I did 25750 with my 9800 pro yesterday, then it burned and went checkerboards all over the screen =)

I have some settings somewhere to take that cpu speed to 34sec.
Gonna try find it.

mackanz
10-23-2004, 04:21 PM
some little update with a Clawhammer 3200+ and OCZ EL Rev.2

35Sek. @ 2430MHz :D

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/9x270_ocz_2.5_3_3_7_28530.jpg

Wow. We have almost exact same components and at the same speed.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8201504

That's 270X9 but 5,2,2,2 with BH5. Why do i get so sucky sandrascores with BH5 on this board? 270 gives about 4200/4200 at 5,2,2,2.

ugp
10-23-2004, 06:23 PM
So would raising the AGP Voltage help get rid of my memory errors at higher clocks?

reject
10-23-2004, 08:23 PM
its worth a shot.
i was benching today at 270x9 and max i got in 2k1 was 23756. i cant even get that stable with 1.78v :(
any hints for me? also i think i should get some TCCD so i can run tighter timings on dividers

Mrki
10-24-2004, 01:41 AM
Wow. We have almost exact same components and at the same speed.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8201504

That's 270X9 but 5,2,2,2 with BH5. Why do i get so sucky sandrascores with BH5 on this board? 270 gives about 4200/4200 at 5,2,2,2.

The Link doesnt run.

Yes i have a x800vivo@xtpe 520/560 ...

With a NC i need 2550-2600MHz for that achievement ...
In Sandra i have 4150MB/s!

reject
10-24-2004, 04:29 AM
you will get good unbuffered scores with 2-2-2

Perc
10-24-2004, 05:20 AM
well guys i got good news and bad news.. the good news the DTR3400 still ives!! the bad news i think the DFI is the looser here? no mater what i do i cant get any post codes nothing even with the cpu out the memory out the video card out i get no beeps nothing its dead :(

oh well ill have my fx-53 here real soon i think i may just sell the DTR3400 back to ted and move on. has there been any release info on DFI's 939 version of this mb?? otherwise i may wind up holding on to this 754 platform til i can find a good mb for the fx chip. anyways im out of the game for now. back to my trusty ole intel for the time being...

peace perc,

mackanz
10-24-2004, 05:24 AM
The Link doesnt run.

Yes i have a x800vivo@xtpe 520/560 ...

With a NC i need 2550-2600MHz for that achievement ...
In Sandra i have 4150MB/s!

I upgraded it a little this morning. Damn car low bug.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8202047

Mrki
10-24-2004, 06:37 AM
I upgraded it a little this morning. Damn car low bug.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8202047

nice score and nice BH-5 :D

mackanz
10-24-2004, 09:01 AM
Not stable though. Passes 20 #5 memtest for the memory, but far from Prime stable. This cpu must be the worst CH in the history, only 2.3 stable on air and 1.7 volts.

jayl
10-24-2004, 11:50 AM
Do you think this is stable enough for 24/7 settings...?... ;).. ;)
(air cooled)

spaceman
10-24-2004, 02:58 PM
well guys i got good news and bad news.. the good news the DTR3400 still ives!! the bad news i think the DFI is the looser here? no mater what i do i cant get any post codes nothing even with the cpu out the memory out the video card out i get no beeps nothing its dead :(

oh well ill have my fx-53 here real soon i think i may just sell the DTR3400 back to ted and move on. has there been any release info on DFI's 939 version of this mb?? otherwise i may wind up holding on to this 754 platform til i can find a good mb for the fx chip. anyways im out of the game for now. back to my trusty ole intel for the time being...

peace perc, Bummer about the mobo, but at least the "magic" chip's still kickin'. :) If tedinde doesn't want it back, let me know. ;) :D

reject
10-25-2004, 06:21 AM
nay ideas how to improve my scores? its not stable with much tighter timings :( and my cpu is a dog. i think i need water for my gpu and phase for cpu

ugp
10-25-2004, 06:48 AM
Here is some screens with CBI

I am going to try to get 2.4GHz today some how.

EDIT: I seriously give up. I will stay where I am because nothing else works! It really makes me mad though.

Ubermann
10-25-2004, 08:02 AM
Without letting you sound stupid or something.
Have you connected the little 12 volt thing near cpu ?

eva2000
10-25-2004, 08:24 AM
Here is some screens with CBI

I am going to try to get 2.4GHz today some how.

EDIT: I seriously give up. I will stay where I am because nothing else works! It really makes me mad though.
cbi reports current temps of your cpu @ 255C lol

as for me new highs all around :D

26,762 - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8204747

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Kingston/KHX3200K2/2x256/3_4/LDT_AUTO/10x/272-272-2226-1T-1.87-3.58-1.6-1.8_9-12-2212-8x-7x_3120/3dmark2001_9800pro_478-401_26762.jpg

I think it's the 18th fastest 9800Pro R350 on the ORB ?

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Kingston/KHX3200K2/2x256/3_4/LDT_AUTO/10x/270-270-2226-1T-1.84-3.58-1.6-1.8_8-12-2212-8x-7x_3120/superpi-1m_31s.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Kingston/KHX3200K2/2x256/3_4/LDT_AUTO/10x/270-270-2226-1T-1.84-3.58-1.6-1.8_8-12-2212-8x-7x_3120/superpi-8m.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Kingston/KHX3200K2/2x256/3_4/LDT_AUTO/10x/270-270-2226-1T-1.84-3.58-1.6-1.8_8-12-2212-8x-7x_3120/superpi-16m.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Kingston/KHX3200K2/2x256/3_4/LDT_AUTO/10x/270-270-2226-1T-1.84-3.58-1.6-1.8_8-12-2212-8x-7x_3120/pifast_44-70.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Kingston/KHX3200K2/2x256/3_4/LDT_AUTO/10x/270-270-2226-1T-1.84-3.58-1.6-1.8_8-12-2212-8x-7x_3120/mem-buff.jpg

spaceman
10-25-2004, 08:42 AM
Here is some screens with CBI

I am going to try to get 2.4GHz today some how.

EDIT: I seriously give up. I will stay where I am because nothing else works! It really makes me mad though.
ugp, if I were you, I'd pull the HSF and reseat it, a few times if necessary. Something's not right, and that seems most likely. I know we take it for granted we know how to do that right, but I've had bad contact before when I was sure it was right. ;) @eva2000, nice! :up:

Mrki
10-25-2004, 08:49 AM
@eva

KHX3200K2/512 BH5 @272mhz 2226 1T rulls!!!

ugp
10-25-2004, 09:47 AM
HSF?

and Ubermann were you talking to me?

yotomeczek
10-25-2004, 10:21 AM
http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Kingston/KHX3200K2/2x256/3_4/LDT_AUTO/10x/270-270-2226-1T-1.84-3.58-1.6-1.8_8-12-2212-8x-7x_3120/superpi-16m.jpg



Well - not impresive :D

It's mine:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/yotomecze/Super%20PI%2016M%2013%2042%20htt260%20small.jpg

eva2000
10-25-2004, 10:26 AM
well you're using 1x 256MB with what timings on DFI ? can you show your a64tweaker settings ? mines 2x 256MB so need looser timings at 2-2-2-6-8-12-2-2-1-2

also since memory bandwidth plays a part newcastle bandwidth is higher than clawhammer cpus clock for clock

3400+ newcastle memtest reports 1427MB/s at 200mhz 2-2-2-6
3700+ clawhammer memtest reports 1326MB/s at 200mhz 2-2-2-6

overcrash86
10-25-2004, 11:43 AM
What is the actually HTT Record on this mobo ?

mine is 441 :D :

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/overcrash86/Overcrash86/3000+%2064/DFI%20NF3%20LP%20UT%20250Gb/FSB441.JPG

over 2500Mhz the CPU was unstable then that the max her :

2527Mhz HTT 421 (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/overcrash86/Overcrash86/3000+%2064/DFI%20NF3%20LP%20UT%20250Gb/2527Mhz.JPG)

i will recive my 3400+ in one week then i'll test with 6X and more 420 of HTT to go over 2600Mhz :D

yotomeczek
10-25-2004, 12:58 PM
What is the actually HTT Record on this mobo ?

mine is 441 :D :


Respect
How ?? :slobber:
I did max 335HTT
What cooling & bios ??

overcrash86
10-25-2004, 01:02 PM
Respect
How ?? :slobber:
I did max 335HTT
What cooling & bios ??


no vmod just 2 FAN 80x80 on the chip stock cooling and 1.6v ,with more vchip that less better :D

BIOS MODED 10/15 moded 4v but my motherboard wasn't vmoded

Amair_Sc
10-25-2004, 03:30 PM
A quick A64 noob question: I was wondering how to isolate the ram for testing with the A64? I just tried 4*275 1:1 and it memtested for quite a few hours, however when I carefully checked the bandwidth I realized that the test was moot since the bandwidth was abysmal.

thanks for your help!

STEvil
10-25-2004, 06:42 PM
4x multi doesnt work right.

use 5 minimum.

reject
10-26-2004, 01:17 AM
no vmod just 2 FAN 80x80 on the chip stock cooling and 1.6v ,with more vchip that less better :D

BIOS MODED 10/15 moded 4v but my motherboard wasn't vmoded
same with my board, with a modded zalman on the chipset, maxes out at 335 and windows at 325. my vdd is 1.7 maybe 1.6 is better?

ugp wanna take off the IHS? you and me can both do it at the same time, maybe it will help

overcrash86
10-26-2004, 02:35 AM
same with my board, with a modded zalman on the chipset, maxes out at 335 and windows at 325. my vdd is 1.7 maybe 1.6 is better?

ugp wanna take off the IHS? you and me can both do it at the same time, maybe it will help


yes ,the chip is too hot with more voltage, with 1.7v i go only at 436, at 1.8v 432 and 1.9v 421 :D
reduce the voltage to 1.6v to go up over 430Mhz ;)

ahfung
10-26-2004, 03:03 AM
yes ,the chip is too hot with more voltage, with 1.7v i go only at 436, at 1.8v 432 and 1.9v 421 :D
reduce the voltage to 1.6v to go up over 430Mhz ;)

I'm not sure if you mean rock stable with these high HTT.
I found that at HTT over 280 or 290MHz I'd need to bump to 1.7V for stability, otherwise the system could be unstable and behaves as having memory errors.

ugp
10-26-2004, 03:44 AM
same with my board, with a modded zalman on the chipset, maxes out at 335 and windows at 325. my vdd is 1.7 maybe 1.6 is better?

ugp wanna take off the IHS? you and me can both do it at the same time, maybe it will help
IHS? I don't think I have ever seen those initals for that...what are you talking about?

reject
10-26-2004, 04:34 AM
integratred heat spreader. the silvery grey lid on the cpu. if you remove it it looks like an AXP underneath

Amair_Sc
10-26-2004, 07:39 AM
Have you guys experienced something simillar:

I am using the internal SATA ports (3&4) in a stripping array. Tested OCZ EB @ 260 2.5-2-2-8 with 3 volts and using a multi of 9 for 15 loops and it ran error free. So I boot up in window at 9*260, I throw sisoft bandwith at her and she just reboots no bsod no lock-up, just a plain old reboot-in-my-face. Since I am waiting on my Mach 2 to be fixed I had not bumped the chip volts and assumed that was the problem. So I load up the bios and re-set 10*213 which I know is stable on stock cooling with the stock volts, it prime95'ed for 10 hours with no errors. When I boot into windows it shows signs of instability (the little windows as encountered a serious error box appears). I am baffled so I restart and set everything at stock in to bios. When I try to boot it now will not load windows for some reason. The NVidia raid app recognizes the array during post but the HDDs will not load the OS. I now have to re-install windows to get the HDD to boot up, which is quite annoying. I knew the board had problems with the external SATA ports over 240 fsb, could it be that I am experiencing the same type of problem with the internal ones (fluke board?)

Another interesting bit of info: when properly booting, the bios recognizes the HDD's as Channel 4 and 5 in the bios, when it refuses to boot it recognizes them as channel 0 and 1.

thanks for reading :toast:

mad mikee
10-26-2004, 09:55 AM
Which would make them suddenly appear as 0 + 1. :D

Amair_Sc
10-26-2004, 10:25 AM
Ya I read about that issue on the dfi-street forums :) . No, I set all that is SATA to enable to avoid that funky problem.

ugp
10-26-2004, 07:09 PM
integratred heat spreader. the silvery grey lid on the cpu. if you remove it it looks like an AXP underneath
What would removing it do? That is something that is new to me..

reject
10-27-2004, 12:42 AM
allow for better contact and a lower thermal resistence.
hey lookhere (http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2564&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

ugp
10-27-2004, 03:43 AM
Those are the same problems I am having...there is alot of stuff there to read...

Bourch
10-27-2004, 03:49 AM
Then, if I'm not wrong, we shoult avoid 9x (stability problems) and also half multipliers (performance drop).
If so, my NC 3200+ will be stuck in 10x250 1:1 (2500) unless I play with memory dividers and combinations like 8x312 (2496)
Am I right?

ugp
10-27-2004, 03:58 AM
Well I wish I could get higher clocks than 250x8.0. I don't know what else to use if I can't use x9.0. I know this CPU won't do 250x10.0. It won't even load Windows at that.

EDIT:

I tried all kinds of varations of voltages to try 250x10.0 and it will not load. I tried all the way up to 1.500 + 123% and up to 1.8 on the Chipset. Nothing. All well.

Ubermann
10-27-2004, 04:19 AM
Well I wish I could get higher clocks than 250x8.0. I don't know what else to use if I can't use x9.0. I know this CPU won't do 250x10.0. It won't even load Windows at that.

EDIT:

I tried all kinds of varations of voltages to try 250x10.0 and it will not load. I tried all the way up to 1.500 + 123% and up to 1.8 on the Chipset. Nothing. All well.

I run mine in 1.550 +126% to get it stable at 2.4

reject
10-27-2004, 06:56 AM
1.95v? thats a lot...
i will be making a single stage phase for cpu, and i hope to hit 3ghz. 300x10 with a 9/10 divisor. so i will have the option if the full 2.1v, but i doubt with phase id need it.
strage how my first 3000 got to 2.5 on onlt 1.625v
btw. i tried 304x8 with 9/10 and it seems to be the cpu not board

ugp
10-27-2004, 12:47 PM
I run mine in 1.550 +126% to get it stable at 2.4
You on air cooling? Even if your not what are your temps?

I was told you shouldn't go over v1.8 on Air Cooling.

Amair_Sc
10-27-2004, 09:59 PM
Just slapped a good old tornado on the ram modules, encountered a peculiar problem when beating my ram up: BIOS checksum error when I set the VDIMM to 3.1 volt, under all conditions. IS this a typical problem? Im thinking I need to adjust my PSU's pots but I just wanted to check with the experts before :toast: .

STEvil
10-27-2004, 10:08 PM
what ram?

reject
10-28-2004, 12:28 AM
ubermann has an xp-120
when i set up my phase ill see if its the cpu, you and me seem to have the same problem ugp
otherwise ill sell some stuff and get a sempron
what is your stepping and date ugp?
mine are:
CBASC 0423 and
CBAEC 0423
both max out at 8x multi with 270, but i dont think its the 9x multi casue 304x8 wont work either

Perc
10-28-2004, 02:52 AM
before i send this DFI back to gameve.com for a RMA does anyone have info on how to just go straight thru DFI instead? from my experiances gameve just sends the mb off to DFI so i may as well do it my self instead of waiting on gameve to recieve my mb then ship it off then having to wait all that time when i could just cut out the middle man....

thx perc,

ugp
10-28-2004, 03:50 AM
ubermann has an xp-120
when i set up my phase ill see if its the cpu, you and me seem to have the same problem ugp
otherwise ill sell some stuff and get a sempron
what is your stepping and date ugp?
mine are:
CBASC 0423 and
CBAEC 0423
both max out at 8x multi with 270, but i dont think its the 9x multi casue 304x8 wont work either
I am not sure of the date...I am a C0 stepping.

reject
10-28-2004, 05:39 AM
c0 is revision, the stepping is listed on the chip.
perc whats wrong with your board? anadtech :rolleyes: said that dfi was very helpful, shoot them a email

Amair_Sc
10-28-2004, 06:48 AM
what ram?

2*512 3700EB, 20 loops of memtest at 3-3-2-8-1t 274 mhz but freezes up at 275 with 3.0 volts. 3.1 volts just gives the friendly bios checksum error. Unfortunately I cant get any sandra benchies as my chip cannot handle the 274 fsb at decent speeds without a bump in the vcore, im waiting on my mach2 to come back for that :) .

ugp
10-28-2004, 10:09 AM
Here is my stepping... ADA3200AEP5AP. Tell me if that is my problem.

Mrki
10-28-2004, 10:56 AM
my NC comes next week ... i dont like the CH so much :( ...

3400+ CH is max stable for 2450mhz ... 35 sek. pi!

now my new PSU and my 2x256 Corsair BH-5 :D

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/8x270_BH-5_2_2_2_6.jpg

Perc
10-28-2004, 01:49 PM
c0 is revision, the stepping is listed on the chip.
perc whats wrong with your board? anadtech :rolleyes: said that dfi was very helpful, shoot them a email


well i got the DTR3400 all mounted in my mach1 getting sweet contact after shaving off a :banana::banana::banana::banana: load or plastic to lower it down to cofinsate for the missing ICh and everything was going good until i went into the bios and changed a few settings, i hit exit and save and the mb hasnt worked since :shrug: ive been without my amd rig now for over a week :( and all this talk of you guys having such fun just kills me not to be able to join in.... anyways ive tried everything and nothing. i can take the memory out the video card out the cpu out it dont mater i dont get no eror beep codes nothing the board is just dead! so after trying a new bios chip ive decided it has to be the mb.... i didnt kill the mb ocing so i dont mind rma'ing it now had i been ocing and i knew it was my fualt id just throw it aside and buy a new one... anyways ill go see what dfi has to say about it...

thx perc,

Ubermann
10-28-2004, 01:51 PM
Mine is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed also, and insteed of rma it and wait a month i think i trow it in the garbage.
I works stock settings but very unstable when clocking now.

Perc
10-28-2004, 02:16 PM
Mine is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed also, and insteed of rma it and wait a month i think i trow it in the garbage.
I works stock settings but very unstable when clocking now.


you know these mb's oc good and all but for some reason the mess up easy? im thinking thier quality control blows big time. my mb had no reason to take a :banana::banana::banana::banana:. the damm thing just up and deid on me and all i was doing was exiting the bios??? i thought at first i had simply scramled the bios but that wasnt the case so back it goes and i pray like hell the new one lasts longer then a weeks use!!!!

peace perc,

Ubermann
10-28-2004, 02:43 PM
I dont agree on that.
I have put enought volt thru it to run an electric train for 100 meters or so =)
But its a bit sad to see part after part collapse.
First my volt reading blow away.
Then booster died at 3.2 volt.
First it made some wierd ups and down on the led display and then quit.
And now board is very unstable.

ugp
10-28-2004, 03:35 PM
Luckly...I haven't had any misfortunes yet... *knocks on wood*...I am happy with where I am at now. It is fast enough.

STEvil
10-28-2004, 04:59 PM
amair - do you have a fan blowing over the ram? EB runs HOT.

Zeus
10-28-2004, 10:10 PM
I dont agree on that.
I have put enought volt thru it to run an electric train for 100 meters or so =)
But its a bit sad to see part after part collapse.
First my volt reading blow away.
Then booster died at 3.2 volt.
First it made some wierd ups and down on the led display and then quit.
And now board is very unstable.

Why wouldn't you RMA it?
You haven't done any voltmods to it have you?
It's supposed to be an overclockers dream....

I would RMA it, just like your booster.
You just used it the way it's meant to be used right?

reject
10-28-2004, 11:34 PM
well ugp, lol thats the OPN code. he one below is the stepping, mine is CBAEC 0423
i think i have made a breakthrough. set read preamble to 5.5ns. now i can get windows stable at 270x9 1.76v. working on priming it.
ubermann can you take pics of all of these bios pages: advanced bios, advanced chipset, intergrated peripherals and genie bios. i bet there is a seting that is causing the slowness. and perc, have u tried a bios saviour?

STEvil
10-29-2004, 12:57 AM
old bios chips from DFI LP/Infinity (nF2 variants) work for LP-UT (with reflash to correct bios)!! :D

ugp
10-29-2004, 05:10 AM
well ugp, lol thats the OPN code. he one below is the stepping, mine is CBAEC 0423
i think i have made a breakthrough. set read preamble to 5.5ns. now i can get windows stable at 270x9 1.76v. working on priming it.
ubermann can you take pics of all of these bios pages: advanced bios, advanced chipset, intergrated peripherals and genie bios. i bet there is a seting that is causing the slowness. and perc, have u tried a bios saviour?
Well in that case I don't feel like removing the heatsink lol.

reject
10-29-2004, 08:19 AM
no worries, try loosening the read preamble to 5.5 or 6ns. works for me 3d stable (not prime)

spaceman
10-29-2004, 10:45 AM
old bios chips from DFI LP/Infinity (nF2 variants) work for LP-UT (with reflash to correct bios)!! :D
Yippee! :D ;)

Amair_Sc
10-29-2004, 11:58 AM
amair - do you have a fan blowing over the ram? EB runs HOT.

Yep, I set up a Tornado on them, they are extremely cool to the touch after 20 memtest loops @ 274 3-3-8-2-12-12-Auto-2-1-Auto-Auto-Auto, I think I am just experiencing the 3.3v limit of my psu's rails I have to get it modded or get a new one to run more volts through the EB, I think I will be able to hit 280-290 with 3.3-3.4 volts considering the modules do the above settings @ 3.06 volts.

Anybody interested in a pcp&p 510 dlx ;)

graham_h
10-30-2004, 01:19 AM
sorry i haven't read the entire thread.
a mate has just got the dfi board, 1 stick of 533 and a 3000+
we seriously can't get it to o/c at all.......
not one damn bit, we've spent hours reading 'guides'
just to point out neither of us is noobs I'm a P4 freak and he's been doing athlons for years.
WTF ?
without trawling through ten billion memory configs, where the heck do we start ?
thanks Gents and ladies in advance.
we've banged up the cpu and ram voltage, cooling is no problem.
monster psu also.
screen pics of where and what in the bios would be awesome :)

reject
10-30-2004, 03:30 AM
put the ldt multi to 3 and increas the HTT

graham_h
10-30-2004, 03:54 AM
thanks reject, easy as that uh ?

computerpro3
10-30-2004, 05:24 AM
Yep, I set up a Tornado on them, they are extremely cool to the touch after 20 memtest loops @ 274 3-3-8-2-12-12-Auto-2-1-Auto-Auto-Auto, I think I am just experiencing the 3.3v limit of my psu's rails I have to get it modded or get a new one to run more volts through the EB, I think I will be able to hit 280-290 with 3.3-3.4 volts considering the modules do the above settings @ 3.06 volts.

Anybody interested in a pcp&p 510 dlx ;)

you do know that you can just stick a screwdriver in the holes made for the pots on the label side of the psu and turn the 3.3v line up to like 3.6+, right?

the 510 deluxe is the best psu out there lol, don't even think about getting another one :p:

Amair_Sc
10-30-2004, 09:14 AM
Actually mine is the one without the external pots, and the internal pots give a very small VDIMM adjustement as described in this thread: http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31886&highlight=pcp%26c+510 , but you allready knew that since you contributed to it :).

I researched on the matter before considering selling it, I might get it modded too! :toast:

craig588
10-30-2004, 09:24 AM
the 510 deluxe is the best psu out there lol, don't even think about getting another one :p:

If you want high or stable rails their are many better options.

swarzy85
10-30-2004, 10:55 AM
Hi all :)
I bought the DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB and I reacheed about 355Mhz with my Newcastle 3200+ (@ 3113Mhz under VapoChill Light Speed).
However i'm searching the best setting for my A-Data PC4600 2x256MB (Samsung TCCD).
How can i configure all the settings?
Thank you very much :)

Mag Master 21
10-30-2004, 05:25 PM
Hey guys.. Here's a SS I just took.. I booted into windows at 250 then BSOD. Notice the vdimm. With such a crap rail, I can't get any higher.. That is, until I get my powerstream :)

EDIT: Sorry, but I had to cut out some of the screen for it to upload (file size)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18576&stc=1

ugp
10-30-2004, 06:36 PM
I finally took my heatsink off and got my CPU Steppings.

ADA3200AEP5AP
CAAAC 0345RPMW
9777555K30002

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18580

Which is the number/letter combination for the stepping? This I am unsure of...never gotten into this part of it before. Thanks.

Mag Master 21
10-30-2004, 09:36 PM
0345

spaceman
10-30-2004, 10:17 PM
I finally took my heatsink off and got my CPU Steppings.

ADA3200AEP5AP
CAAAC 0345RPMW
9777555K30002

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18580

Which is the number/letter combination for the stepping? This I am unsure of...never gotten into this part of it before. Thanks.
The 0345RPMW part is what most folks call the stepping code. If you punch in the AEP5AP part at www.ocinside.de it'll give you a lot more info, like stock vcore & stuff. Edited in: It looks like chips with the first line ending in AR, and progressively later, like AS, AT, etc, are CG core, AP was a transitional chip, and all before that were CO. BTW, kinda off topic, but I pulled the heatspreader off my desktop 3200+ today, to see if it helps. I thought I trashed it, left a couple pretty bad scratches, on the brown substrate, where metal shows through. :eek: ;) But I decided to try it anyways, after all that trouble, and it runs fine. :D Does 10x240 rock solid, and gets into Windows @ 2500 MHz. It's actually running a lot cooler than my mobile 3000+, with more vcore, so I'll have to run it awhile, and see if it burns in any better. :cool:

[XC] serlv
10-31-2004, 01:21 AM
Actually, the 5 letter code "CAAAC " is the stepping. At least, that is my understanding. The 0345 is, of course, the year and week of manufacture. It has never been clear to me what the 4 characters after the week represent.

STEvil
10-31-2004, 01:54 AM
RPWM is voltage etc, or used to be for AXP.

AEP5.. no idea. AP is core rev.

reject
10-31-2004, 01:57 AM
the CAAAC and the week are the important bits. but since you dont have an 04 23 there must be another reason why its bad. i think its heatspreader related, but i got some screens off my other comp, screens i took on the kv8 pro and at 2.5ghz it was scoring in sandra way lower than my dfi and 2.43ghz. so i think some more memory timings are cuasing the bad ocing. ugp, set read preamble to 6ns and see how much better you oc

ugp
10-31-2004, 05:42 AM
Alright, I will give it a try. Thanks man.

EDIT: Ok I set the Read to 6.0 and I up it to 260x8.0 1:1 @ 2.5-4-3-0 and I got just shy of 4GB/s. It was 3996MB/s. Not bad. MemTest Test 5 showed 2 errors but I am unsure if they were just from warming up...I'll run this awhile and see what I get.

swarzy85
10-31-2004, 05:52 AM
Hi all :)
I bought the DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB and I reacheed about 355Mhz with my Newcastle 3200+ (@ 3113Mhz under VapoChill Light Speed).
However i'm searching the best setting for my A-Data PC4600 2x256MB (Samsung TCCD).
How can i configure all the settings?
Thank you very much :)
nobody can help me? :confused:

ugp
10-31-2004, 05:54 AM
nobody can help me? :confused:
Play with each setting. I am unable to help you because I don't have that RAM. If you go out and buy some Rev 2 I would be happy to help you.

bldegle2
10-31-2004, 06:27 AM
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/index.php?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

search, read, find the right settings.

search for Jess1313 posts, he and Rgone and others have put together a rather good rundown on ram timings, all of them.

good luck.

baldy :D

swarzy85
10-31-2004, 08:46 AM
thank you very much (also thank upg) :)

ugp
10-31-2004, 10:32 AM
thank you very much (also thank upg) :)
It is spelt 'ugp' LoL! Your welcome man.
Oh by the way 260x8.0 wasn't stable. I can't get any higher than what I have now.

swarzy85
10-31-2004, 11:39 AM
It is spelt 'ugp' LoL! Your welcome man.
Oh by the way 260x8.0 wasn't stable. I can't get any higher than what I have now.
oh i'm very sorry :)

ugp
10-31-2004, 01:40 PM
It's alright man...just correcting you so you won't do it again!!! LMAO! I'm just playing man.

EDIT: I have achieved 263FSB stable finally. Here is a screen shot of it..

3Dmark03 I scored 7,255
3Dmark01SE I scored 21,698

3Dmark01SE is very CPU sensitive. I wish I could clock higher because I know my video card can break 25,000. And I would love to break 8,000 on 3Dmark03.

PCMark04
CPU: 3854
Mem: 4302

Mag Master 21
10-31-2004, 05:34 PM
UGP can you do a superpi run and compare at lower clocked 2-2-2 timings.. I'm trying to justify the replacement of my bh-5 and 260 2.5-3-3 isn't going to cut it when my bh-5 will do 260 2-2-2-5 with 3.3vdimm..

nutcase
10-31-2004, 07:50 PM
well, I have been playing with timings on this monster..

DfI LP UT Nf3 250GB
Newcastle 3200+ @ 265x10.
1 256Mb OCZ PC3200 Plat le (BH-6) @ 265 FSB, 1:1 3.6V and 2-2-2-2 timings (That right)
Air cooled with XP90
Ati Saphire Radeon 9800XT @ 475/400


Now if I could just get this blasted Mobo to work with any of my Other sticks of BH-6, I would be set :confused:

ToastedToad
10-31-2004, 09:16 PM
3Dmark01SE is very CPU sensitive. I wish I could clock higher because I know my video card can break 25,000. And I would love to break 8,000 on 3Dmark03.




Have you tried Bypass Max at 7x. It gave me quite a boost in bandwidth. If you are stable there it may help ya out with the benchies.

ugp
11-01-2004, 03:45 AM
Have you tried Bypass Max at 7x. It gave me quite a boost in bandwidth. If you are stable there it may help ya out with the benchies.
I'll give it a try later after I get back from work. Thanks.

feesh
11-01-2004, 11:30 AM
Hello everyone. It took me a few sittings to read through this entire thread but it was worth it, great info :toast:

I decided to join the amd64 ranks so I got the Fry's special combo deal this past weekend. DFI nf3 and amd 3000+ for 240 or something. Anyway, I am having some trouble OC'ing this chip and I think its probably the chip.I ran some memtest on my 3500 eb 2x512 and it looped through #5 up to 250 so I know i am not having any problems there. I can run 220 * 10 all day long prime stable with default vcore. But after that it can only prime 230 * 10 for 2 hours @ 1.55 and fails prime after 5 mins at 240 * 10 @ 1.65.

Does this seem normal for this chip? I seem to be reading that most are reaching close to 2.4 on stock volts. It is a Newcastle 0430 btw. My power supply is a thermaltake 480 w/ 12 volt rail of 18A. Do you think this could be limiting me?

Opinions, advice are welcome.

mackanz
11-01-2004, 11:41 AM
Hello everyone. It took me a few sittings to read through this entire thread but it was worth it, great info :toast:

I decided to join the amd64 ranks so I got the Fry's special combo deal this past weekend. DFI nf3 and amd 3000+ for 240 or something. Anyway, I am having some trouble OC'ing this chip and I think its probably the chip.I ran some memtest on my 3500 eb 2x512 and it looped through #5 up to 250 so I know i am not having any problems there. I can run 220 * 10 all day long prime stable with default vcore. But after that it can only prime 230 * 10 for 2 hours @ 1.55 and fails prime after 5 mins at 240 * 10 @ 1.65.

Does this seem normal for this chip? I seem to be reading that most are reaching close to 2.4 on stock volts. It is a Newcastle 0430 btw. My power supply is a thermaltake 480 w/ 12 volt rail of 18A. Do you think this could be limiting me?

Opinions, advice are welcome.

0430 on the lower clocked NC's? That means they will be made out of the strained silicone as well pretty soon. The "JIUHB" of A64's anyone?

feesh
11-01-2004, 11:47 AM
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, i know this one doesn't have SS but it is quite new. I'm getting nowhere with its clocks.

ToastedToad
11-01-2004, 08:18 PM
I had the same issue with a 12v rail less of 18A. Got a Fortron with 28A and was able to clock higher. YMMV.

reject
11-01-2004, 11:58 PM
my psu has 2 12v rails, the mobo one is 16A but my 12v reading by DMM is 12.2v
so its also the quality of the psu that counts

ToastedToad
11-02-2004, 10:18 PM
Absolutely.

overcrash86
11-02-2004, 11:13 PM
I have find the problème to go over ~320Mhz of FSB ,that the CPU, i recive my 3400+ it's a 3400+ newcastle ,ant he wouldn't like to go over 326Mhz ,but with my clawhammer 3000+ i go to 441Mhz ,that just the CPU to limit.

Sorry for my bad english :rolleyes:

reject
11-02-2004, 11:31 PM
that sucks cause the 3400 would have cost a lot...
but you wont need that HT unless you want to go over 3912 mhz 326x12

Zeus
11-02-2004, 11:37 PM
It's true NewCastle can't handle as high HTT as ClawHammers.

overcrash86
11-02-2004, 11:39 PM
that sucks cause the 3400 would have cost a lot...
but you wont need that HT unless you want to go over 3912 mhz 326x12

right, but with better HTT that probably easier to desynchro with more possibilities

spaceman
11-03-2004, 08:01 PM
Heh, I just realized this is the longest thread in the Xtreme OCing forum. :cool: I wonder what the all time longest thread is, lol. :D Welp, I decided to try some KHX PC4000, that I picked up quite awhile back. It was running pretty good @ 260 1/1, but then my HDD died on me. I was kinda expecting it, it's been making some godawful noises. :( Right now I'm toolin' along on a 7gig ATA33 Maxtor, lol. :p: ;) It's doin' 250 stable, but I'm not sure how far I wanna push it, till I get a replacement. :rolleyes:

Ubermann
11-04-2004, 01:32 AM
Does anyóne know where i can measure vcore with dmm ?

STEvil
11-04-2004, 02:25 AM
topmost torriod on the side closest the 4 capacitors.

Would have to flip the board over and test around on the back somewhere to get a better measurement I think, as i've not found a better one on the top side yet.

Mrki
11-04-2004, 04:43 AM
not bad for 2.5-3-3-8 ;) ...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/8x290_OCZ_2.5_3_3_8_prime.jpg

Mrki
11-05-2004, 07:28 AM
DDR600 2.5-3-3-8 @2.8VDimm OCZ EL Rev.2 / 9x300 3400+ NC

memtest no problem boot windows cant boot!

i try to remove the IHS ... perhepas it help

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/9x300_ocz_2.5_3_3_8_oczmemtestnr5.jpg

eva2000
11-05-2004, 08:31 AM
probably @2700mhz isn't stable for cpu.. what cooling ?

try 8x 300HTT = 2400mhz

ugp
11-05-2004, 10:38 AM
By removing the IHS can you kill your CPU?

eva2000
11-05-2004, 10:39 AM
By removing the IHS can you kill your CPU?
yeah if you crush the core under it :)

Mrki
11-05-2004, 10:42 AM
ok my cpu is at limit ;) ...

but multi 8 the ht go higher ;)

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/8x300_ocz_2.5_3_3_8_oczmemtestnr5.jpg

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/8x300_2.5_3_3_8_3dmark01_superpi36sek.jpg

spaceman
11-05-2004, 02:11 PM
By removing the IHS can you kill your CPU? Just go nice & slow, & be careful. If you look closely, one side of the IHS doesn't have that glue stuff all the way across. :) While your at it, might as well see if the core needs lapped. :D

reject
11-05-2004, 07:44 PM
i got a lot more out of my cheapo ram!
just got 12mhz to HTT
now i can memtest 5 passes test 5 and prime for a while (i upped voltage when it crashed so its pretty stable, will run prime soon and memtest all night)
now 282x8 for a nice 2256mhz. beat ugp by 6 mhz!

oh cool i just realised that Mrki only has 512mb... makes me less jealous
pics are 70% quality but look better than reduced size

swarzy85
11-06-2004, 09:25 AM
this is my score :)

Vapochill Light Speed
A64 3200+ Newcastle
DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB
2x256MB A-DATA PC4600 1:1
Antec True Control 550W

http://www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/1111/frequenza_max_vapo.jpg

http://utenti.lycos.it/swarzy85/SUPERPI32M.JPG
The max HTT's frequency i reached is 355Mhz (it finished Superpi 1M @ 6x355).
Next week i'll receive another CPU (3200+ Clawhammer) adn i hope to pass 400Mhz

eva2000
11-06-2004, 12:29 PM
the power that is DFI Bios or A64Tweaker, just check these benchmarks i did and how just changing the additional memory timings affected fps in CS:Source Stresstest!

Counterstrike: Source Stresstest

cpu @ stock speed
video card @ stock speed

only adjusting additional memory timings in DFI bios :)

AMD64 3700+ @ 12x201HTT = 2411mhz (stock)
DFI Lanparty UT NF3 250Gb 05/10/04 bios
Win2k SP4

--------------------------------
128MB Gecube 9800Pro Extreme stock speed = 398/351
ATI drivers = Omega 8.07

2x 256MB KHX3200K2/512 BH-5 @ 201mhz 2-2-2-6 1T 10-13-2222 8x/4x/7ns 3120
--------------------------------
Antialising mode - None
Filtering Mode - Trilinear
Model - High
Texture - High
Water Detail - reflect world
Shadow detail - high
Wait for Vert Sync - disabled

1024x768 = 125.05 fps
1280x1024 = 73.59 fps
1600x1200 = 56.67 fps
--------------------------------
Antialising mode - 6xAA
Filtering Mode - 16xAF
Model - High
Texture - High
Water Detail - reflect world
Shadow detail - high
Wait for Vert Sync - disabled

1024x768 = 82.84 fps
1280x1024 = 49.15 fps
1600x1200 = 17.32 fps
--------------------------------

Tighten memory timings on ram a bit more.

--------------------------------
128MB Gecube 9800Pro Extreme stock speed = 398/351
ATI drivers = Omega 8.07

2x 256MB KHX3200K2/512 BH-5 @ 201mhz 2-2-2-6 1T 8-12-2211 16x/7x/7ns 3120
--------------------------------
Antialising mode - 6xAA
Filtering Mode - 16xAF
Model - High
Texture - High
Water Detail - reflect world
Shadow detail - high
Wait for Vert Sync - disabled

1024x768 = 83.49 fps
1280x1024 = 49.87 fps
1600x1200 = 23.40 fps
--------------------------------

Now overclock video card @450/390 with tighten memory timings on ram

--------------------------------
128MB Gecube 9800Pro Extreme stock speed = 450/390
ATI drivers = Omega 8.07

2x 256MB KHX3200K2/512 BH-5 @ 201mhz 2-2-2-6 1T 8-12-2211 8x/4x/7ns 3120
--------------------------------
Antialising mode - None
Filtering Mode - Trilinear
Model - High
Texture - High
Water Detail - reflect world
Shadow detail - high
Wait for Vert Sync - disabled

1024x768 = 130.46 fps
1280x1024 = 82.34 fps
1600x1200 = 63.69 fps
--------------------------------
Antialising mode - 6xAA
Filtering Mode - 16xAF
Model - High
Texture - High
Water Detail - reflect world
Shadow detail - high
Wait for Vert Sync - disabled

1024x768 = 93.65 fps
1280x1024 = 53.76 fps
1600x1200 = 23.97 fps
--------------------------------

Now overclock video card @475/400 with tighten memory timings on ram

--------------------------------
128MB Gecube 9800Pro Extreme stock speed = 475/400
ATI drivers = Omega 8.07

2x 256MB KHX3200K2/512 BH-5 @ 201mhz 2-2-2-6 1T 8-12-2211 8x/4x/7ns 3120
--------------------------------
Antialising mode - None
Filtering Mode - Trilinear
Model - High
Texture - High
Water Detail - reflect world
Shadow detail - high
Wait for Vert Sync - disabled

1024x768 = 136.86 fps
1280x1024 = 85.98 fps
1600x1200 = 66.91 fps
--------------------------------
Antialising mode - 6xAA
Filtering Mode - 16xAF
Model - High
Texture - High
Water Detail - reflect world
Shadow detail - high
Wait for Vert Sync - disabled

1024x768 = 98.79 fps
1280x1024 = 57.02 fps
1600x1200 = 20.29 fps <-- weird not sure why it's lower but i did do all these benchies in same win2k session
--------------------------------



.

ugp
11-06-2004, 08:22 PM
Nice testing man, I might have to do some testing on this as well...When I finish I will post my results as well.

erik9287nl
11-08-2004, 09:16 AM
In the attachment you see the max HTT freq. for my 3000+ NewCastle. Sadly i can't really get super high 1:1 speeds cause my BH5 is maxed out at 267 MHz @ 3,48v. And the second sad thing is that my CPU is not that great :p:

I also played some with the timings of my BH5, CAS 1,5 and other very low timings are no problem :banana:

Zeus
11-08-2004, 09:57 AM
In the attachment you see the max HTT freq. for my 3000+ NewCastle. Sadly i can't really get super high 1:1 speeds cause my BH5 is maxed out at 267 MHz @ 3,48v. And the second sad thing is that my CPU is not that great :p:

I also played some with the timings of my BH5, CAS 1,5 and other very low timings are no problem :banana:

Erik, how 'bout some voltage on the CPU? :D

spaceman
11-08-2004, 10:10 AM
Help!!! While I was testing high mem speeds on my BH-6, I lost the ability to use 2 sticks of RAM. :( I've tried using different DIMMs, different RAM, etc., etc., but it won't work anymore with 2 sticks. I've just replaced the HDD, and so obviously it's a fresh format & OS. But the RAM prob was before HDD replacement, and a fresh OS didn't straighten it out. :confused:

Ubermann
11-08-2004, 10:15 AM
Yes you need more volt on cpu.
Dont be afraid cuz im not =)

ugp
11-08-2004, 10:26 AM
Yes you need more volt on cpu.
Dont be afraid cuz im not =)
Why in the hell are you running v2.0 to your CPU? LoL and aren't you using air cooling man??? You are crazy!

feesh
11-08-2004, 11:25 AM
lol....72C

burn baby burn :D

ugp
11-08-2004, 02:03 PM
Yeah he took his IHS off and is wanting to kill the CPU i guess...

erik9287nl
11-09-2004, 03:48 AM
Erik, how 'bout some voltage on the CPU? :D
Hehe, the CPU doesn't like more voltage. Above plm. 1,85v Vcore the instability increases rapidly at any speed. This was just for testing the max HTT freq. on my NewCastle.

Lol, now i see i had the Vcore to 1,95v :p: Anyway, a pifast @ 2560 MHz can be done at 1,85v, but when i go higher i get errors. Just a crappy cpu. Good enough for me at the moment though :D

jayl
11-09-2004, 03:48 PM
Well I gained almost 200MHz when reaching the max 12h prime stable clocks by removing HS (http://koti.welho.com/jlinna2/DFI%20Lanparty%20UT/HS_pois.JPG) and changing zalman 7000 Al/Cu to watercooling (http://koti.welho.com/jlinna2/Myynti/KONE_6.JPG) including Asetek Antarctica block and indirect compressor (http://koti.welho.com/jlinna2/Myynti/KONE_7.JPG) (temps are almost whatever I want them to be :D )....

When using aircooling my CPU would be unstable after 1.7V and that was because of temps not because it is a crappy one...

So this is were I am now... load temps were approx 25c when running Prime for 12 hours at 2684MHz...

ugp
11-09-2004, 05:13 PM
Well I gained almost 200MHz when reaching the max 12h prime stable clocks by removing HS (http://koti.welho.com/jlinna2/DFI%20Lanparty%20UT/HS_pois.JPG) and changing zalman 7000 Al/Cu to watercooling (http://koti.welho.com/jlinna2/Myynti/KONE_6.JPG) including Asetek Antarctica block and indirect compressor (http://koti.welho.com/jlinna2/Myynti/KONE_7.JPG) (temps are almost whatever I want them to be :D )....

When using aircooling my CPU would be unstable after 1.7V and that was because of temps not because it is a crappy one...

So this is were I am now... load temps were approx 25c when running Prime for 12 hours at 2684MHz...
You need to clean up that wiring boy! LoL! That is horrible looking though...I like my box to look good as well as run good :D

eva2000
11-09-2004, 05:15 PM
As Bigtoe and others have recently reported, I found out how ram oc's depends on each individual AMD64's ondie memory controller.

i.e.

with my 2x AMD64 3400+ Newcastles i can't get my best single OCZ PC3700EB to do 3-2-2-8 only 3-3-2-8, but on my AMD64 3700+ this is what it does

283mhz 3-2-2-8 1T at 3.28v vdimm

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/OCZ/PC3700EB/1x512/singles/1/LDT_AUTO/9x/283-283-3228-1T-1.55-3.28-1.6-1.8_11-13-2322_dsLVL2/mem-buffFULL.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/OCZ/PC3700EB/1x512/singles/1/LDT_AUTO/9x/283-283-3228-1T-1.55-3.28-1.6-1.8_11-13-2322_dsLVL2/superpi-16m_3228_11-14-2322.jpg

conrad.maranan
11-09-2004, 05:22 PM
As Bigtoe and others have recently reported, I found out how ram oc's depends on each individual AMD64's ondie memory controller.
I suspect this as well and will be confirming it when I receive my new processor. Kind of makes you wish that the memory controller was on the board's chipset, huh?

STEvil
11-09-2004, 11:10 PM
Nah. Would be nice of AMD to refine their process(ors) more though ;)

I can get 248 out of 2x512 CH-5 @ 1.5-2-2-10-12-16 with 3.30v on my Clawhammer so far.. I guess I got a good one? EDIT - 1T.

DeathMonk
11-10-2004, 06:22 AM
So how are people liking these boards? I'm thinking about getting one.

Zeus
11-10-2004, 06:41 AM
So how are people liking these boards? I'm thinking about getting one.

How do you think?

It's only 67 pages of experience with this board. :D

ugp
11-10-2004, 06:44 AM
I wish I had another A64 just to test and see what I can do. None of my friends have A64. They are still on 32-bit. Although I am going to put my old 2500+ Barton syetem back together and see what I can get out of it.

DeathMonk
11-10-2004, 06:47 AM
How do you think?

It's only 67 pages of experience with this board. :D

True.. I see a few people saying they love it.. Is there any problems people are having with it?

Tony
11-10-2004, 06:54 AM
69 pages now ;)...I NEVER thought this thread would grow this big...LOL

eva2000
11-10-2004, 07:14 AM
only 29 pages for me when you set 60 posts per page in user options hehe

STEvil
11-10-2004, 06:11 PM
So how are people liking these boards? I'm thinking about getting one.

Only problem I have had so far is if I set the VDIMM too high for my +3.3 rail.

Gotta have it at 3.6 to get 3.3 (set to 3.2 in bios) to mem for me.. 3.3 @ 3.5 with bios set to 3.3 upsets the bios and mem defaults to 2.56v for some reason.

Depending on your ram shouldnt be a problem, but for ram that loves volts it was annoying to find.. why it cant just set to max available when going too far isntead of dropping to default?

Shroomalistic
11-10-2004, 07:10 PM
Only problem I have had so far is if I set the VDIMM too high for my +3.3 rail.

Gotta have it at 3.6 to get 3.3 (set to 3.2 in bios) to mem for me.. 3.3 @ 3.5 with bios set to 3.3 upsets the bios and mem defaults to 2.56v for some reason.

Depending on your ram shouldnt be a problem, but for ram that loves volts it was annoying to find.. why it cant just set to max available when going too far isntead of dropping to default?

Is your cpu voltage set to auto, mine does that when cpu voltage is set to auto, 3.1 = 3.1 for me but 3.2 = 2.5. Changed it from auto to 1.5v and your mem voltage should rise.

ugp
11-10-2004, 07:25 PM
Yeah this thread has grown to be useful for many people. And we have even started many off-threads concerning memory especially Rev 2 with the DFI:D

STEvil
11-10-2004, 07:35 PM
set to 110%.

ugp
11-10-2004, 07:52 PM
I got a quick question...I want to know what CPU is the best one to get for this board that is performing the best. I am going to buy another A64 and through the one I have my old MSI board with that system together. And get another A64 for this board. I want better overclocking abilities. I was looking at a 3200+ ClawHammer DTR (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-443&depa=1) for $208.00. Or would the 3000+ maybe clock better. I just ordered my a XP-120 for my DFI system and I plan to throw my Zalman on my old system with my 1GB of RAM. I would have me two nice machines then. I plan to sell my old 2500+ Barton to my friend for about $90 because it is a damn good version of it. Let me know if that would be worth getting or if anyone knows where I can find a really good A64.

Sheik
11-10-2004, 09:18 PM
Ouch ... I was looking for the answer through the mountain of pages, but my 56K modem said no way. I see it has been mentioned already .... why can't I boot when I use a CPU multiplier of 9 ? I get a detecting RAID array error and then it reboots. Over and over. I'm using IDE drives and no RAID. I can use 8x multi and 10x multi but no 9. I've been up to 305 FSB with 8x. Please help.

STEvil
11-10-2004, 09:38 PM
mine workd fine @ 9.

Sheik
11-10-2004, 10:26 PM
:( Which BIOS you using then STEvil ?

STEvil
11-10-2004, 10:38 PM
10/15 4.0v iirc.

Shroomalistic
11-11-2004, 03:38 AM
Ouch ... I was looking for the answer through the mountain of pages, but my 56K modem said no way. I see it has been mentioned already .... why can't I boot when I use a CPU multiplier of 9 ? I get a detecting RAID array error and then it reboots. Over and over. I'm using IDE drives and no RAID. I can use 8x multi and 10x multi but no 9. I've been up to 305 FSB with 8x. Please help.

Are you using 2 sticks or one. alot of people are only able to use the 9 multi with just one stick and 2 sticks is a no go. For me, I cant use the 9 multi at all with my twinmoss 3700 but I can run it all day with my 2 sticks of hyperX

Dissolved
11-11-2004, 03:55 AM
Are you using 2 sticks or one. alot of people are only able to use the 9 multi with just one stick and 2 sticks is a no go. For me, I cant use the 9 multi at all with my twinmoss 3700 but I can run it all day with my 2 sticks of hyperX

8-11x with 2 sticks of eb3700 has worked fine for me.

Shroomalistic
11-11-2004, 04:08 AM
I guess it all depends on the ram then.

DeathMonk
11-11-2004, 05:45 AM
Only problem I have had so far is if I set the VDIMM too high for my +3.3 rail.

Gotta have it at 3.6 to get 3.3 (set to 3.2 in bios) to mem for me.. 3.3 @ 3.5 with bios set to 3.3 upsets the bios and mem defaults to 2.56v for some reason.

Depending on your ram shouldnt be a problem, but for ram that loves volts it was annoying to find.. why it cant just set to max available when going too far isntead of dropping to default?

I am using 2x512 of Mushkin Lvl 2 ;).. But since this is a 24/7 machine, I don't think I will be running over 3.1-3.2v anyway.

Sheik
11-11-2004, 08:40 AM
Are you using 2 sticks or one. alot of people are only able to use the 9 multi with just one stick and 2 sticks is a no go. For me, I cant use the 9 multi at all with my twinmoss 3700 but I can run it all day with my 2 sticks of hyperX

mmm my 9x multi problem is with 1 stick of PQI Turbo Sammy TCCD. I will give it a bash with my OCZ3700EB and see, but that won't solve it as I need to do it with my PQI i.e. my PQI's can get to 300 MHz but neither of my EB's will do more than 265 :(

Mrki
11-11-2004, 09:54 AM
2x512 OCZ amd my DFI in harmony :D ...

go for more ...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/8x300_ocz_2.5_3_3_7_1024mb_prime.jpg

Zeus
11-11-2004, 10:11 AM
Wow, that's really nice!!
2x512 and 300HTT 1:1, Prime stable...that's the way i like it.
How bout 9x300?
I think the later 3400+ NewCastle's will do 2,7GHz easily?

Is it 100% errorfree in memtest?

edit: Just broke the 70 page barrier! :banana:

Mrki
11-11-2004, 12:40 PM
yes but i have some problems with multi 9!
perhaps a bug. i have allways bluescreens ...


I look for an answer ;)

mackanz
11-11-2004, 01:52 PM
That must be the first time ever on A64 with 2X512 at 300 htt. Would you mind post a sandra score or even better, run lobby high on 3d01 and post the results. Or is that 2T?

Mag Master 21
11-11-2004, 03:54 PM
That must be the first time ever on A64 with 2X512 at 300 htt. Would you mind post a sandra score or even better, run lobby high on 3d01 and post the results. Or is that 2T?

YES! Do this please..

ugp
11-11-2004, 05:41 PM
YES! Do this please..
No I have seen it before...I forget who...

And can someome please tell me if a 3200+ DTR would actually clock better than a 3000+ DTR. CG Stepping of course.

Mrki
11-12-2004, 04:13 AM
No I have seen it before...I forget who...

And can someome please tell me if a 3200+ DTR would actually clock better than a 3000+ DTR. CG Stepping of course.


im now at working!

sure is this 1T :D ... i never take 2T!
i post a sisoft screen at the evening ;) ...

yes this is amazing 2x512 ddr600 @ 2.5-3-3-7!

p.s my vapo ls i arrived today! i will not sleep the next 3 days :D

Sheik
11-12-2004, 08:56 AM
Weird. The 9x multiplier works with my OCZ3700EB but not my PQI Turbo TCCD.

mad mikee
11-12-2004, 09:30 AM
Just got back my UT from RMA.

Looking for memtest screenie @ best settings for ADATA PC4000 or TCCD w/ 9-10x * 250 FSB 1:1. List CPU and stepping (ie. CAAPC, CBASC) for both CH and NC type chips?

I dumped a 3000+ CBASC NC into my VNF-250 @ 9-10x *250 1:1 w/ both of the above and got 1993 and 1997 mb/sec stable respectively.

Do same thing w/ UT and get ~1662 MB/sec iirc.

That seems to be bad. :confused: :shrug: :wierd:

If you get close to where I am w/ the VNF, please include tweaker screenie :D

So until someone can validate or explain why I get such a discrepancy I am playing w/ DC.

mackanz
11-12-2004, 01:58 PM
Not to shabby. DFI UT, PC 3700 Platinum TCCD Brainpower 808 at 3.2 vdimm. Prime stable for 3 hours (i stopped it)

Mrki
11-12-2004, 03:33 PM
:banana:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/9x300_ocz_2.5_3_3_7_sisoftsandra_1024mb.jpg

ugp
11-12-2004, 08:19 PM
Well I ordered a XP-120 with a 120mm Blue UV Fan. It pushes about 70+ CFM. It should be decent enough and I also got an extra 120mm of the same to mount over my RAM. I bought me some 800-Grit, 1,000-Grit, 1,500-Grit, and 2,000-Grit sandpaper to lap it down real good. I am going to see if this helps out any. If either case I plan to buy a 3400+ NewCastle DTR from NewEgg. Hopefully after I get that I will be able to push my system alittle further. I am hoping anyway.

EDIT: All I can find now is ClawHammer C0 stepping CPUs for DTRs. Is that all there is anymore? Or is another ClawHammer C0 worth trying?

Link to DTR Here... (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-442&depa=1)

reject
11-12-2004, 11:53 PM
dont use nvidia IDE drivers and dont use the network manager. me installed windows yet again today.
now trying 304x8 with ram at 270 (9/10 div) will try 315x8 maybe with ram at 280

overcrash86
11-13-2004, 12:09 AM
with vmod to +3.3 my PC2700 like :D
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/overcrash86/Overcrash86/3400+/PC2700@270superpi.jpg
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/overcrash86/Overcrash86/3400+/PC2700@288.jpg

but my ADATA have a problems with the voltage over 3v ,i'v tryed with 3.1v (unstable):

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/overcrash86/Overcrash86/3400+/ADATA@310sisoft.jpg

Fosco
11-13-2004, 07:57 AM
Got my a64 3400+ mobile 62W today :D

This is what i have testet so far on air with SLK948U and Papst92mm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/Fosco/jessda.jpg

overcrash86
11-13-2004, 09:27 AM
Got my a64 3400+ mobile 62W today :D

This is what i have testet so far on air with SLK948U and Papst92mm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/Fosco/jessda.jpg

What memory do you use ?
OCZ EB :confused:

mackanz
11-13-2004, 09:52 AM
Fosco,

Was that from itbutikken? What stepping did you get?

Fosco
11-13-2004, 10:07 AM
Fosco,

Was that from itbutikken? What stepping did you get?

It`s frome shg.dk

Stepping: CAAXC 0430VPMW batch 0038

overcrash86: it is ocz 3500eb 512mb

overcrash86
11-13-2004, 04:07 PM
It`s frome shg.dk

Stepping: CAAXC 0430VPMW batch 0038

overcrash86: it is ocz 3500eb 512mb


with my OCZ EL PC3500 ,i go only to 260 ,but with more woltage :

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/overcrash86/Overcrash86/3400+/OCZ@260.jpg

reject
11-13-2004, 09:18 PM
how can i get more oc out of my cpu? those with cpus around 2.5ghz+ what drive strength are you running? ive tried loosening almost every ram timing and can only get 304x8 not stable with ram at 270. now im setting for 320x7 ram at 280
but ram clock doesnt increase my 3d perfomce and i only get max 37s superpi no only 40s :(

G H Z
11-13-2004, 09:45 PM
:banana:

Mrkl,

Damn nice Ram & chip you got there :toast:

spaceman
11-14-2004, 04:56 AM
No I have seen it before...I forget who...

And can someome please tell me if a 3200+ DTR would actually clock better than a 3000+ DTR. CG Stepping of course.
Well the important thing to consider is, the higher the rating, the more multi options ya get. OT, but can someone explain how ya take a screenie of Memtest 86? Thanx. :)

ugp
11-14-2004, 05:12 AM
Ok..then what I plan to do is get a 3400+ DTR. Where can I get some good ones from cheap?

ugp
11-14-2004, 05:35 AM
It`s frome shg.dk

Stepping: CAAXC 0430VPMW batch 0038

overcrash86: it is ocz 3500eb 512mb
Do they ship international?

I am on the hunt for one of those now. I want one!!

AMA3400BEX5AR

If anyone finds one let me know! LoL

[XC] serlv
11-14-2004, 10:08 AM
Do they ship international?

I am on the hunt for one of those now. I want one!!

AMA3400BEX5AR

If anyone finds one let me know! LoL

That is for a Clawhammer. The 3400+ Newcastle will run 2.4 gHz stock AND give you the 11 multiplier possibility ( may be more friendly to a wider array of RAM ). I thought about going that route, ( my 3400 AR Clawhammer is decent at roughly 2.5 gHz ) but fiured if I'm going to get another A64, I might as well go DC/939. Also, aren't the 0432 stepping ( or later ), the 3400+(s) that are showing such overclockability?

ugp
11-14-2004, 02:21 PM
That is for a Clawhammer. The 3400+ Newcastle will run 2.4 gHz stock AND give you the 11 multiplier possibility ( may be more friendly to a wider array of RAM ). I thought about going that route, ( my 3400 AR Clawhammer is decent at roughly 2.5 gHz ) but fiured if I'm going to get another A64, I might as well go DC/939. Also, aren't the 0432 stepping ( or later ), the 3400+(s) that are showing such overclockability?
I am not sure. I just want to get another A64 that will overclock well and then put my old MSI A64 system back together with my 1GB of RAM and 9700 Pro that I have. And then my girlfriend can have a little gaming machine of her own :D Maybe I can get her into Day of Defeat and Counter-Strike :D

I think I am going to get the 3400+ DTR from NewEgg. It is a ClawHammer and it says it is a C0 Stepping. I would love to have a NewCastle 62w CG Stepping. But I am sure the shipping on one from Overseas is unreal.

EDIT:

Also, I notice the all the pictures of the DTRs the IHS is already removed. If they come like this as so...would I have the mod my XP-120 and retention bracket in anyway to have it make good contact with it? It was just something I remember wondering.

bldegle2
11-14-2004, 04:09 PM
If they come like this as so...would I have the mod my XP-120 and retention bracket in anyway to have it make good contact with it? It was just something I remember wondering.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

the xp-120 works just fine with a nude CPU.

baldy :D

ugp
11-14-2004, 04:57 PM
HEHE! I am thinking of stripping my 3200+ nude :D

Not sure if I know how to do it right and am afraid of ruining it.

Hopefully my XP-120 will be here tomorrow and I can begin the lapping process. I am going to use it to shave in after I am done lapping it lol.

EDIT:

Well I finally gave in and ordered the 3400+ DTR. Newegg Says it is a ClawHammer but hopefully it is a later one and does alot better for Overclocking. Atleast I have the benefit of the 11x multi to play with.

[XC] serlv
11-14-2004, 08:14 PM
Well, let us know the week and stepping, when you get it. Thanks.

ahfung
11-14-2004, 09:13 PM
Got my a64 3400+ mobile 62W today :D

This is what i have testet so far on air with SLK948U and Papst92mm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/Fosco/jessda.jpg

Nice score, here's my 3200+ @2.65 score, with memory at 265MHz 2.5-3-3, which is the highest a Hynix D43 can do.

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments/9ws4_2650_superpi_cupmark99.jpg

It's funny to see that after 2.6GHz for every 10MHz it scores 1 more point in CPUmark99.

ahfung
11-14-2004, 09:17 PM
HEHE! I am thinking of stripping my 3200+ nude :D

Not sure if I know how to do it right and am afraid of ruining it.

Hopefully my XP-120 will be here tomorrow and I can begin the lapping process. I am going to use it to shave in after I am done lapping it lol.

EDIT:

Well I finally gave in and ordered the 3400+ DTR. Newegg Says it is a ClawHammer but hopefully it is a later one and does alot better for Overclocking. Atleast I have the benefit of the 11x multi to play with.


I did that to my 3200+ from day one, so I can't tell how much it help in overclocing. But it did drop the temp quite significantly.