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ugp
10-03-2004, 07:16 PM
I got more!!! Hehe...Again not sure if this one is stable lmao.

This is at 270x9.0 1:1 with my RAM

ugp
10-03-2004, 07:53 PM
I looked back and found a post bigtoe did.

It helped me out alittle but I can't hit 300FSB with either stick and I can't hit 270 with 512x2. But I am at 250FSB with alittle bit of tweaked from his settings which it isn't bad. Take a look.

EDIT: here is the same settings as well but with 2DIMMS

@bigtoe:
I need some help clocking this RAM alittle please if you could. Thanks.

reject
10-03-2004, 07:55 PM
wow cant wait to see what i get casue i have similar timings!

ugp
10-03-2004, 08:17 PM
Sorry to be posting alot in such little time. But I am just trying to let everyone see what I am getting so there is a comparison.

I ran 3DMark03 with my 9800XT at 441/375.

I am at 250x9.0 with memory 1:1 @ 2.5-3-3-0-14-16 512x2

OC_newbie
10-03-2004, 08:21 PM
Nice 3DMark03 score with a 9800XT man.

ugp
10-03-2004, 08:31 PM
I just ran AquaMark3 and got 51,411! New record for me:D
Link! Click Me! (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1490647949)

And here is 3DMark01 @ 22,664
Link! Click Me! (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8159874)

OC_newbie
10-03-2004, 08:51 PM
Hey UGP you should set your 9800XT to 472/421, because I got in AquaMark3 a score of 55,708 with GFX: 7,191 CPU: 12,368.
I know my video card is the bottleneck in my system lol.

ugp
10-03-2004, 08:53 PM
Hey UGP you should set your 9800XT to 472/421, because I got in AquaMark3 a score of 55,708 with GFX: 7,191 CPU: 12,368.
I know my video card is the bottleneck in my system lol.
My card will not run at that lol. I have stock cooling only. If I could I would.

EDIT: I tried...I get mad Artifacts. I am going to mod my card and throw an AMD heatsink on it. And I also have my 9800Pro 128MB card to get back from my friend that I want to see what it can do. He has it at 450 on the core so far with it. Not bad at all is it?

OC_newbie
10-03-2004, 08:55 PM
That's weird I'm using stock cooling also :confused:

ugp
10-03-2004, 08:58 PM
That's weird I'm using stock cooling also :confused:
Well the Built by ATI clock better than the ASUS :(
I didn't research my card before I bought it. I got it on the basis that the cooling looked alot better. At full load I do only run 50C on the core. Idle it is about 44-46C. Which isn't bad at all but still doesn't clock worth the pooh!

OC_newbie
10-03-2004, 09:03 PM
wow I don't get it yours is alot cooler then mine so I don't think it's your cooling. Mine runs at 70 C last time I checked.

ugp
10-03-2004, 09:05 PM
Yeah the ATIs do. The problem is it is a piece of crap and I want a new card. Does anyone want to buy a piece of crap video card? LoL! J/K. After I mod it I think it should do well. But I plan to eventually get one of the new 512MB cards next year once they drop in price alittle.

Hey if you have AIM or Yahoo please talk to me there so we aren't having a conversation in the thread LoL!

OC_newbie
10-03-2004, 09:14 PM
Same here bro, I got my eye on that ATI code named R500 that's the one with 512MB which comes out later in 2005. The coming R480 should just be 256MB I heard.

Zeus
10-03-2004, 10:39 PM
Jess or anyone...

I am using your 4.0V mod bios. But I am having some problems with adjusting the mem voltage. When I set 3.2 from bios it works fine, but when I set 3.3V the mem voltage goes to 2.5V, what´s that?
I´ve got OCZ Powerstream and I have tried adjusting lines, but no solution to that problem... Any ideas? thx

Solution is deadeasy, set VID to anything other than auto and make sure your 3.3V ATX is always 0,1-0,15 higher than your VDIMM.

That will do. ;)

Bourch
10-03-2004, 11:49 PM
UGP Your system seems to be the brother of mine.
I'm running 2x512 too and my timings are 2.5-4-4-10. I get similar bandwidth to yours with a maximum of 250 stable at 1:1 (arund 3700 in sandra buffered)

I got between 4000 and 4100mb/s up to 270FSB. The system seems to be stable but fails prime.

With my 9800Pro I was able to get 6920 3dMark03, 22747 3dMark2001 and 50324 Aquamark (GFX:6627 CPU:10445)

I know I could go much higher with only one dimm but I'm going to use my system 24/7 fully stable with 1Gb, so I don't care how much I can get with only 1 dimm :mad:

Perc
10-04-2004, 05:10 AM
thats some nice scores!
perc my highest oc is in my sig but board died bfore i got a chance to go higher
are u using 1T? and what are your timings if thats 1T either that board is amazing or you have D5 chips


yes its 1T i gues i should have mentioned that. now im using the adata for those high ocs my bh-5 will only go 255-260 tops.... i got some eb3500 comming but im not so sure they will out run these adata im using now...

heres a screen shot of my memory scores at 270 1:1 1T 3-4-4-8 not bad at all for such loose timmings....

peace perc,

Perc
10-04-2004, 05:23 AM
here is one more of my cpu score at 2700mhz. this system is scoreing higher then my intel 3.0c did at 4gigs!!

perc,

ugp
10-04-2004, 06:29 AM
UGP Your system seems to be the brother of mine.
I'm running 2x512 too and my timings are 2.5-4-4-10. I get similar bandwidth to yours with a maximum of 250 stable at 1:1 (arund 3700 in sandra buffered)

I got between 4000 and 4100mb/s up to 270FSB. The system seems to be stable but fails prime.

With my 9800Pro I was able to get 6920 3dMark03, 22747 3dMark2001 and 50324 Aquamark (GFX:6627 CPU:10445)

I know I could go much higher with only one dimm but I'm going to use my system 24/7 fully stable with 1Gb, so I don't care how much I can get with only 1 dimm :mad:
What memory do you have? I know I should be able to get 270FSB with 2 DIMMs and around 300FSB with 1 DIMM. Try lowering your timings alittle to 2.5-3-3-10...will your memory handle it?

eagle101
10-04-2004, 07:17 AM
when will 939 come out dfi???????

Perc
10-04-2004, 07:42 AM
has anyone seen if the new thermalrite 120 fits the mb or not? i heard the 90mm fits but the 120 is a mixed bag of nuts some say it does some say it doesnt? so i was just woundering if anyone had actualy tried to make it fit....

thx perc,

Popcicle
10-04-2004, 09:23 AM
@eagle101...

Supposed release date for the DFI 939 is the end of this month.


@Perc...

bldegle2 over at DFI-Street.com used a 120 on his DFI UT and
he said it fits nicely.


Pops.

jayl
10-04-2004, 09:27 AM
Solution is deadeasy, set VID to anything other than auto and make sure your 3.3V ATX is always 0,1-0,15 higher than your VDIMM.

That will do. ;)
Thanks ;) I will have to try that one. Just haven´t had the time yet...


Btw. My 512MB PC-3700 EB does 3-3-2-8@3.2V 285MHz (http://koti.welho.com/jlinna2/DFI%20Lanparty%20UT/muistit%20285MHz@3-3-2-8@3.2V.JPG)

DCR
10-04-2004, 10:45 AM
After wading through 50 plus pages of posts...I am still not clear if this board is for me....one of my main goals is to break 14,000 in 3dMark03, and I am buying an XT PE for my vid card. Would I be able to break that score with an Oc'd 3000+ with this board? I want to get the best bang for the buck and Oc'ing is the way to go...my Mobile 2500 proves that. I guess I would like some recommendations on what 64 chip stretches the best with this board. I have 1 gig of 3500 Performance Series OCZ, an OCZ 520W Powerstream and a Koolance Exos for cooling (still in the box :)). I need 14k, at least, so how do i break it without breaking my wallet with an FX-53?

ugp
10-04-2004, 10:50 AM
can someone link me to Prime95? I can't seem to find this program for some reason :(

Dani
10-04-2004, 10:54 AM
can someone link me to Prime95? I can't seem to find this program for some reason :(
For WinXP p95v238.zip (http://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v238.zip)

ugp
10-04-2004, 12:15 PM
I have never used this program before. What should I use in it?

p4z1f1st
10-04-2004, 12:41 PM
LOLOLOLOL, guys, i can't believe it!

my damn board can do >300HTT !!!

i tested it today A LAST TIME, because i ordered GSkill PC4400 2.5-3-3-7 (1gig) and wanted to know, i i just made a failure and the board can do more then lazy 260HTT....yes it does :D

http://www.8ung.at/dresign/300htt.jpg

Catalan
10-04-2004, 01:27 PM
It this with 2x512 and is it 1:1? Bah just tell me all your settings!

ugp
10-04-2004, 02:13 PM
Can someone link me to SuperPi as well? lol

p4z1f1st
10-04-2004, 02:23 PM
It this with 2x512 and is it 1:1? Bah just tell me all your settings!

lol, no, it's 3:4 ;) - 2x512mb....

ram = 210MHz (i just wanted to know max.HTT - because of my gskill-ram which are coming ;))

SunTzu69
10-04-2004, 04:45 PM
Well,

I got my DFI board tonight. Managed to change the chipset heatsink and I'm in the process of installing it on the mobo tray of my CM stacker.

I'll post the results of my 3200+ A64 mobile when it's up.

ahfung
10-04-2004, 05:49 PM
wahaha I just managed to archieve a small breakthrough with my 3200+ and a pair of 512MB Kingston Hynix D43.

Previously I couldn't even reach 32s when oc to 2.7GHz. Now it's done with 2.6GHz only. And yeah it's 2x512MB and Prime95 stable.

Looks like I don't need TCCD or Ballistix for now. :banana: :banana4: :banana: :banana4:

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments/Chc2_SuperPi_32s_a64_2606.gif

EDIT: Yeah it's on my DFI of course! :D

Perc
10-04-2004, 06:07 PM
very nice score man! im at 2700mhz using a 3000 newcastle and the DFI board and my scores are 35 :( man those 1mb L2 chips realy shine. i dont care what people say i like the 1mb L2 over the 512 L2 they seem to have more power. what did you do to get that score?

peace perc.

ahfung
10-04-2004, 06:12 PM
very nice score man! im at 2700mhz using a 3000 newcastle and the DFI board and my scores are 35 :( man those 1mb L2 chips realy shine. i dont care what people say i like the 1mb L2 over the 512 L2 they seem to have more power. what did you do to get that score?

peace perc.

Hey Perc, in fact it's the memory timing matters most for SuperPi, not the extra 512KB L2. If you like to see the powre of 1MB L2 you need some CPUmark99 in action. See this pic its self explain
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments/liGZ_a64_2700.jpg

ugp
10-04-2004, 06:32 PM
Are you guys hitting the high of clocks on air?

ugp
10-04-2004, 07:07 PM
Here I took a sheet Ubermann posted and edited it alittle bit to my liking with stuff I use. Thought I might post it if someone wanted it.

Tedinde
10-04-2004, 07:10 PM
Im going to be testing out about 4 different sets of BH5's various brands, and 2 different sets of PC4200 in the DFI, Geil and OCZ, to see how fussy it is. for the last week i've only been using my Crucial Ballistix in it @ tight timings 222 up to 260 and slacktimings and high FSB up to 300.

It's crazy such a good board and so fussy on memory.

reject
10-04-2004, 07:18 PM
why would anyone need a 512mb card? only some games use even 256. and the more powerful the gpu is the less memory needed
yo DCR the x800s can go on a much weaker cpu than the 6800s need, ive seen 14k on a 16pipe x800 with a 2700mhz xp-m
i cant wait till i get dfi i may be ordering today! pity i can only afford my budget adata.

Perc
10-04-2004, 07:35 PM
Hey Perc, in fact it's the memory timing matters most for SuperPi, not the extra 512KB L2. If you like to see the powre of 1MB L2 you need some CPUmark99 in action. See this pic its self explain
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments/liGZ_a64_2700.jpg


well im using bh-5 2-2-2 i dont know how much tighter i can make it? oh and yes im using 1T as well? but then again with the bh-5 i cant get 2700mhz i can only get 2550-2600mhz but even so that is the same mhz as your using to get that 32 in super pi?? oh well im not going to worry ill just keep plugging away im sure ill get some more out of this system as time goes on cause this mb suprises me more and more every day. think i may go to newegg and pick up a 3200 clawhammer and see if the grass is any greener on the other side?

@UGP

im using a stock mach1 "phasechange" my temps are about -4c underload. not that great of temps compared to some guys with thier -100c quadzupple cascade units but it gets the job done...

ugp
10-04-2004, 08:46 PM
Yeah that is true.

Here is my most recent stable overclock for the time being.
I am going to post every overclock this way so you can see what settings I am using and if you have anything that you may see that could improve performance.

It would be nice if some people could post this way so we can see exactly what settings you are using and what the test results are in one picture.

pot
10-05-2004, 07:24 AM
I have some problem with the 4v modded bios.
I've a 430tp antec psu, sense wire modded.. so I can get 3.8 in 3.3 rail..
when i put 3.3 by bios the system boot, shows me the lanparty logo and then reboot. If I put 3.2 all is ok..
i don't know what i've to do ...:(

Bourch
10-05-2004, 07:56 AM
What memory do you have? I know I should be able to get 270FSB with 2 DIMMs and around 300FSB with 1 DIMM. Try lowering your timings alittle to 2.5-3-3-10...will your memory handle it?

If you read my post you'll see that I was runing 2.5-4-4-10. These timings are more relaxed than the 2.5-3-3-10 you say.

:(

pot
10-05-2004, 08:28 AM
Restriction of running higher VDIMM > 3.1V

1 . CPU VID control must set to voltage other than Auto
2 . Your ATX 3.3V must be higher than your target highest VDIMM for about 0.1~0.2V
Ex : 3.3V ~ 3.4V VDIMM with ATX 3.3V@3.5V~3.6V is possible
I resolved my problem :D
ehe :banana: :banana:

G H Z
10-05-2004, 10:39 PM
:stick: How?

I have the same one.....

pot
10-06-2004, 03:16 AM
1 . CPU VID control must set to voltage other than Auto
if you set auto the mobo reboot when vdimm in over 3.2V
ciao
Alessio

kakaroto
10-06-2004, 06:21 AM
Does anyone have DFI temp readings in windows with a Mach 1 or Mach 2 (R507)??

Thanx, I have a homemade kit and ik get very strange temps..

ugp
10-06-2004, 06:34 AM
This memory battle keeps going on and on for me:(

Perc
10-06-2004, 11:56 AM
This memory battle keeps going on and on for me:(

yeah? you like those 3200 rev2 memorys or what? i just bought a pair of eb3500 and im starting to regret it (i havent even got em yet) after reading about those 3200 rev2 series ocz. how are they working in that mb for you? i take it your having your memory problems with the ocz or what? just asking cause i have a friend who was going to buy eb series but now he wants to look into these ocz 3200 rev 2 memorys....

thx perc,

Jack
10-06-2004, 12:02 PM
... he wants to look into these ocz 3200 rev 2 memorys....

did you read the GSkill thread yet?
Some amazing scores there aswell,
and a damn cheap price if you ask me! :toast:

eagle101
10-06-2004, 12:13 PM
yeah? you like those 3200 rev2 memorys or what? i just bought a pair of eb3500 and im starting to regret it (i havent even got em yet) after reading about those 3200 rev2 series ocz. how are they working in that mb for you? i take it your having your memory problems with the ocz or what? just asking cause i have a friend who was going to buy eb series but now he wants to look into these ocz 3200 rev 2 memorys....

thx perc,
send it back the 3500eb (i had it a while back) dont even open it switch for the 3200 rev2

Tony
10-06-2004, 12:17 PM
did you read the GSkill thread yet?
Some amazing scores there aswell,
and a damn cheap price if you ask me! :toast:

did you go read the review over at AT...?

Perc
10-06-2004, 12:18 PM
well i bought them off a member in here they wernt new. now for the price i just seen them for im going to just pick up 2x256 because that is a damm nice price for sure! i just paid 150 for two 2x256 eb3500 series.. anyone use the 3500 eb series in this mb yet? wounder how they will run? anyways yes i did see gskills thread and the ocs were out of this world!!

thx perc,

Tony
10-06-2004, 12:22 PM
send it back the 3500eb (i had it a while back) dont even open it switch for the 3200 rev2
Why send it back?

3-2-2 at 260 is faster than 3-4-3- at 290....just because the EB isn't running ddr600 doesn't mean its not damn fast.

You guys have to remember ram clocking is not all about high fsb's on AMD boards its about latency also. I ran ddr600 with 3200Plat rev2 yes....but the EB at a lower fsb was even faster.

If you have the chance of EB and it turns out to be killer i would stick with it. I know if i put my ddr600 (3500EB)modules up here for sale here they would be gone in under 60 secs..these 2 3500EB modules maybe even better.

ugp
10-06-2004, 12:33 PM
The advantage is Rev 2 clocks better with a 1GB set. So if that is what you want then get Plat Rev 2.

Zeus
10-06-2004, 12:35 PM
3-2-2 at 260 is faster than 3-4-3- at 290....just because the EB isn't running ddr600 doesn't mean its not damn fast.

You guys have to remember ram clocking is not all about high fsb's on AMD boards its about latency also. I ran ddr600 with 3200Plat rev2 yes....but the EB at a lower fsb was even faster.

Faster in what?
SuperPI? 3D mark?
Sandra will show more bandwidth at 290 3-4-3 than 260 3-2-2 on an A64 setup.

I think running CAS 2,5 on this TCCD based mem is a lot better than CAS 3 and is posible at the same speeds as CAS 3.

ugp
10-06-2004, 12:38 PM
CAS 2.5 will always usually be better and faster. Although it all depends on what the RAM can handle and at how high of clocks.

Jack
10-06-2004, 12:50 PM
did you go read the review over at AT...?

no, but im interested tho' :)
only wondering what AT is? :confused:

Zeus
10-06-2004, 12:59 PM
no, but im interested tho' :)
only wondering what AT is? :confused:

AnandTech (http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2198) ;)

Frank E. BoNeS
10-06-2004, 01:05 PM
Does anyone have DFI temp readings in windows with a Mach 1 or Mach 2 (R507)??

Thanx, I have a homemade kit and ik get very strange temps..

What kind of temp readings are you getting in windows?

With a R507 Mach1, I get about -22 idle and -8 to -10 under load with my 3700@2700MHz using Speedfan. That horrible Smartguardian program that came on the CD doesn't read the correct temps at all...its reads like 245C with the Mach1. :D

Jack
10-06-2004, 01:09 PM
ah some nice numbers at AT :D



but i'm just amazed that people all seem to be selling their BH-5 for +/-300MHz memory, while in some cases the BH-5 is actually faster!

for example look at the BW record from Onepagebook,
that is done with bh-5 (8352/8240 @ 278.6MHZ)

Ubermann
10-06-2004, 01:50 PM
I would really like to test an EB stick, but could never get one =(

ugp
10-06-2004, 01:51 PM
For the 1Gb overclocks Rev 2 is better.

eagle101
10-06-2004, 05:06 PM
AnandTech (http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2198) ;)
what is the clawhamer 11...?

eagle101
10-06-2004, 05:07 PM
Faster in what?
SuperPI? 3D mark?
Sandra will show more bandwidth at 290 3-4-3 than 260 3-2-2 on an A64 setup.

I think running CAS 2,5 on this TCCD based mem is a lot better than CAS 3 and is posible at the same speeds as CAS 3.
sorry it was your seperation marks......im stupid today

ugp
10-06-2004, 05:45 PM
Off topic alittle but it started out to be involved with this. I was going to set these two fans up for blowing over my RAM but I couldn't figure out a way so I decided to replace the old 80mm I had on top of my 9800XT with these two. I zip-tied them together and they are just sitting there.

Perc
10-06-2004, 06:57 PM
Why send it back?

3-2-2 at 260 is faster than 3-4-3- at 290....just because the EB isn't running ddr600 doesn't mean its not damn fast.

You guys have to remember ram clocking is not all about high fsb's on AMD boards its about latency also. I ran ddr600 with 3200Plat rev2 yes....but the EB at a lower fsb was even faster.

If you have the chance of EB and it turns out to be killer i would stick with it. I know if i put my ddr600 (3500EB)modules up here for sale here they would be gone in under 60 secs..these 2 3500EB modules maybe even better.

thx for clearing that up for me man :toast: ive been running intel for the last yr so getting back into the amd secne will take a while... when i finaly do revieve these eb3500 sticks i will post my results...

thx perc,

ugp
10-06-2004, 06:59 PM
The EB sticks are getting to be hard to find anymore. And they are going for a pretty penny if I remember correctly...$300+

I paid $279.99 for my RAM and that is with shipping.

G H Z
10-06-2004, 08:39 PM
Does anyone have DFI temp readings in windows with a Mach 1 or Mach 2 (R507)??

Thanx, I have a homemade kit and ik get very strange temps..

I can tell you that the LS cannot handle my 3700 @3Ghz

1.78v - 45° evaporating temp and chip goes over 0° loaded. But 3Ghz is pretty cool:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/29secsuperpi.jpg

spaceman
10-06-2004, 09:19 PM
Does anyone else notice a lot of vcore fluctuation? Especially in CPUZ? And do ya suppose the next "official" BIOS will help it? ;) Nice clock, G H Z! :toast:

n00by
10-06-2004, 10:53 PM
Does anyone else notice a lot of vcore fluctuation? Especially in CPUZ? And do ya suppose the next "official" BIOS will help it? ;) Nice clock, G H Z! :toast:
I agree. Major flucuations in cpuz but i dont think its cpuz. I set 1.4 in bios and cpuz would report 1.37 and would reboot after couple of mins. I thought these japanese caps were supposed to help? :stick:

Using samurai's 4.v bios

Other than that im at 2500mhz 10x250. Temps are also fluctuating badly...

reject
10-07-2004, 04:42 AM
wat kinds of psus are you using? i made a direct deposit today for my board and it may come tomorrow or monday

jess1313
10-07-2004, 06:23 AM
SpaceMan & Noobie

Samurai Jack has done a lot of testing on the voltages with this board, it just simply is not flucuating the way it looks. All testing was done with $500.00 DVOM from our shop.

One note about voltages & this board. When setting ANY voltages you must Exit & save in bios TWO times( set voltage- exit&save - re enter bios - exit&save again) you do not have to reset the voltage but for some reason it want apply them on the first try. I believe we have incountered this from day one of our board.

As far as the voltages they are rock stable even in the high setting.

Hope This helps.


-Jess-

Bourch
10-07-2004, 06:51 AM
Then if I understand it; when I change my settings and change any voltage to mantain my system stable, if I don't re-enter bios and save again, I will be trying with more speed,fsb,mhz or what ever I changed but with the voltage I was running before the change? If so, I could have done many tests with different settings than the ones I thought I was testing and could have discarded configs cause I was running not enough voltage bit without knowledge that I could be running at a smaller voltage than supposed one.
I haven't noticed that but I'm not 100% sure that it doesn't affect my mobo. Does somenone know if it affects all mobos or it's only with that?
I run 24/7 and I don't want to reboot at this moment, so I'll wait for your replyes or will check on my next reboot :)

My english is not very good. Fogive me if my post is... not well explained

ugp
10-07-2004, 06:54 AM
Yeah that is correct...F10 & ENTER *REBOOTS*..Enter BIOS again and then F10 & ENTER. I came across that last night. It is weird that it does that.

Bourch
10-07-2004, 08:31 AM
I've had to reboot to change my vid card so I've tested that must of saving twice before voltage gets the new settings.
My mobo hasn't any problem with that.
My bios is 09/12/04 with vdimm 3.1v limit, not the modded one

chickenrun
10-07-2004, 05:29 PM
I have the modded bios 09/14 and it works without a glitch... no 2nd bios saving necessary - the DFI-util on the disk gives me the bios-set voltages in windows right from the start...

Grayson Carlyle
10-07-2004, 05:33 PM
Woohoo! Mine just shipped 5 hours ago.

Now for the rest of the PC...

Perc
10-07-2004, 05:59 PM
yeah i run the 4v modded bios too and i havent noticed the 2nd reboot thing? infact i never heard of that til now! btw what are you guys using to cool your nb? i have this thermalrite NB-1 but i cant use anything for my video card but stock and im suffern bcause of it. i need to get somthing low-profile so i can get better cooling on my video card. any ideas?

thx perc.

morbidj
10-07-2004, 06:12 PM
Perc, I amagine many are using the stock cooler on the NB.

ugp
10-07-2004, 06:19 PM
For my MB cooling I am using what came on it but with a little bit of air pushing on top of it..

As shown here... (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17481)

Of course you know where the MB is located even though you can't see it...but it stays pretty cool just like that and I am running v1.8 to it. That little Vantec Dual PCI Fan (http://svc.com/spectrumfancard.html) system works pretty well. And I attached two fans together at a 90° to form that and it just sits on top of my GFX and cools that back of my card as well as the side fans blows the air in down on the MB. Highest I have seen my MB go was 35C or so at full load. It goes as low as 28C idle. My CPU idles at 26-29C, full load it will hit 40C. For air cooling this isn't bad. I got a few ideas of some other places to mount fans but I had to order some 3-Pin-to-4-Pin adapters and I am going to rig a fan blowing straight down on the RAM slots. Pushing air across the whole board. I got the idea from OC_Newbie. *Thanks man :toast: *

reject
10-08-2004, 12:47 AM
i got my board today :D and put it in case. i have a 60mm fan rigged up on ram, this board has so much more space around ram, on my kv8 pro the hs touched the ram.
when i can backup my e drive ill install xp and then we can see some numbers!

Bourch
10-08-2004, 04:29 AM
*ADATA Vitesta PC4000 2.5-4-3-8-2T @260HT *A64 3000+ NC

2T performance sucks
I run 2.5-4-4-10 1T @250HT
Isn't it better?

Perc
10-08-2004, 04:31 AM
2T performance sucks
I run 2.5-4-4-10 1T @250HT
Isn't it better?

i have the same memory running 3-4-4-8 at 275 1:1 1T whats the max your adata will run? also i didnt know this adata would run anything lower then 3cas and i see your getting away with a 3 instead of a 4 on the one timming? i need to try that see what i can get...

peace perc,

Bourch
10-08-2004, 04:51 AM
Mine is not stable at more than 250 1:1 no matter what timings.
At 250 2.5-4-3-8-1T it seems to be but after many hours prime95 fails
Btw I'm running 2x512. Are u running the same?

kakaroto
10-08-2004, 05:01 AM
What kind of temp readings are you getting in windows?

With a R507 Mach1, I get about -22 idle and -8 to -10 under load with my 3700@2700MHz using Speedfan. That horrible Smartguardian program that came on the CD doesn't read the correct temps at all...its reads like 245C with the Mach1. :D

Strange, i also got a Mach 1 R507 (Display -45C idle) and i get -14C idle and + 19C under load with 2.4@2.9GHz @1.76v ... strange..

Ubermann
10-08-2004, 05:39 AM
Did some tests at 300x8 1:1 Cas 2.5

Pic with settings also.

Dimm slot most near CPU is the only one working in this speed.

ugp
10-08-2004, 07:03 AM
Did some tests at 300x8 1:1 Cas 2.5
What are your exact settings for that? can you please use that little chat you posted awhile back? Because I can't hit that high on my RAM.

G H Z
10-08-2004, 10:39 AM
Strange, i also got a Mach 1 R507 (Display -45C idle) and i get -14C idle and + 19C under load with 2.4@2.9GHz @1.76v ... strange..

Are you running with heatspreader Kaka? Thinking of taking mine off as my temps are crazy on LS

Perc
10-08-2004, 12:06 PM
Mine is not stable at more than 250 1:1 no matter what timings.
At 250 2.5-4-3-8-1T it seems to be but after many hours prime95 fails
Btw I'm running 2x512. Are u running the same?

will with 2 sticks im stable up to 255 1T then to go higher i have to take one stick out and run with one. have you tried one stick? im going to put two sticks in again this weekend and try again now that i know a little more about the bios. but im pretty sure ill hit that 255 wall useing 2 sticks...

peace perc,

Walrusbonzo
10-08-2004, 12:12 PM
Similar issues here.....

2x512mb Patriot PC3200XBL(Samsung TCCD). 250~255MHz 1:1 with 2.5,3,3,8,1t @ 2.8v perfectly stable. Any higher on the RAM frequency and I have to take a stick out, slackening RAM timings and/or increasing RAM voltage does not help at all. Tried two different CPUs too, a 3200+ NC and a 3000+ ClawHammer CG.

With 1 stick in slot 1 I can do 300MHz 1:1 2.5,3,3,8,1t MemTest86 stable, but wont boot into Windows :(

Perc
10-08-2004, 12:47 PM
what dimm do you consider dimm1 the one closest to the cpu or the farthest? reason i ask is becuase with the one closest to the cpu i can not run using 2 sticks i have to use the middle one and the one farthest away from the cpu to run two sticks....

*edit* ok i see on the pcb that dimm 1 is closest to the cpu so its dimm2&3 that i have to use to run 2 sticks....

thx perc,

ugp
10-08-2004, 12:49 PM
Well it seems that the CPU makes a big difference when it comes to how high you can clock your RAM as well. Since the memory controller is onboard. I am stuck with my CPU that doesn't allow me to clock my CPU very high with high RAM clocks. I get errors. But even when I do not get errors in MemTest-86, Windows still isn't stable. I am wondering if more voltage would help that? But I already have my RAM at v2.9 and TCCD maxes out at that pretty much. I do plan to add a few more fans.

ugp
10-08-2004, 12:52 PM
Did some tests at 300x8 1:1 Cas 2.5

Pic with settings also.

Dimm slot most near CPU is the only one working in this speed.
I see your using 2T...does it work with 1T as well? And the one closet to CPU is DIMM3 correct? Sorry I can't remember...I am not at home at the moment. I am at the girlfriends because she was getting jealous.

Ubermann
10-08-2004, 01:45 PM
I see your using 2T...does it work with 1T as well? And the one closet to CPU is DIMM3 correct? Sorry I can't remember...I am not at home at the moment. I am at the girlfriends because she was getting jealous.

Its 1T (cpc on)
2T would never give those results.

spaceman
10-08-2004, 02:30 PM
Off topic alittle but it started out to be involved with this. I was going to set these two fans up for blowing over my RAM but I couldn't figure out a way so I decided to replace the old 80mm I had on top of my 9800XT with these two. I zip-tied them together and they are just sitting there.
Heh, I've got a 120mm YSTech fan bolted to my Swiftech, with just enough overhang to blow air over the RAM as well as the CPU's HS. 130cfm keeps the RAM cool to the touch, even at 3.4v. :p: :D ;)

Walrusbonzo
10-08-2004, 03:08 PM
what dimm do you consider dimm1 the one closest to the cpu or the farthest? reason i ask is becuase with the one closest to the cpu i can not run using 2 sticks i have to use the middle one and the one farthest away from the cpu to run two sticks....

*edit* ok i see on the pcb that dimm 1 is closest to the cpu so its dimm2&3 that i have to use to run 2 sticks....

thx perc,

Strange, I have to use slots 1 & 3 as 1 & 2 are unstable together, not tried 2 & 3 though, hmmm :D

EDIT: Using Slots 2 & 3(Furthest 2 from CPU) the board wont even POST, even at stock speeds.

Perc
10-08-2004, 03:39 PM
Strange, I have to use slots 1 & 3 as 1 & 2 are unstable together, not tried 2 & 3 though, hmmm :D


LOL i never tired 1&3 if your thinking of trying 2&3 let me know how it turns out....

peace perc,

Walrusbonzo
10-08-2004, 03:40 PM
LOL, I edited it the same time as your post :)

ugp
10-08-2004, 03:41 PM
Its 1T (cpc on)
2T would never give those results.
Alright thanks man. I shall give it a shot tonight. And see what I can get maybe. But I really want to work on my CPU clocks now...I need someone that knows alot about the Skt 754s and overclocking them. Since there is alot of issuses that have to deal directly with the RAM.

bypolar
10-08-2004, 05:41 PM
Well I have been reading this tread from the Begining. there is a ton of good info in this tread.

:cool:

Here are my results sofar.

3100
Geil UltraX 1G kit 8,4,4,3.0 2.95V 1:1 slots 1,3
Vcore 1.56V
Vdimm 2.95
Vdd 1.7

Advanced Memory timings:
DQS Skew control: increase skew
Dram drive strenght: Level 1
32 bit granularty: disable 8 burst
everything else is Auto.Results (http://www.polarscomputers.com/prime%20stable/prime280fsb.jpg)

eva2000
10-08-2004, 06:15 PM
SpaceMan & Noobie

Samurai Jack has done a lot of testing on the voltages with this board, it just simply is not flucuating the way it looks. All testing was done with $500.00 DVOM from our shop.

One note about voltages & this board. When setting ANY voltages you must Exit & save in bios TWO times( set voltage- exit&save - re enter bios - exit&save again) you do not have to reset the voltage but for some reason it want apply them on the first try. I believe we have incountered this from day one of our board.

As far as the voltages they are rock stable even in the high setting.

Hope This helps.


-Jess-
seems to only happen occassionally not every time that i need to save twice

spaceman
10-08-2004, 07:12 PM
SpaceMan & Noobie

Samurai Jack has done a lot of testing on the voltages with this board, it just simply is not flucuating the way it looks. All testing was done with $500.00 DVOM from our shop.

One note about voltages & this board. When setting ANY voltages you must Exit & save in bios TWO times( set voltage- exit&save - re enter bios - exit&save again) you do not have to reset the voltage but for some reason it want apply them on the first try. I believe we have incountered this from day one of our board.

As far as the voltages they are rock stable even in the high setting.

Hope This helps.


-Jess- Yes, quite a bit. :) I'm in the same boat as Bourch tho, wondering how many times my settings were just right, but I didn't reboot again. :rolleyes: ;) No big, I still love this board. :toast: Hopefully, they'll figure out a fix in a newer BIOS. BTW, I really noticed this happening when I installed my mobile 3000+. It just completely changes the way vcore is set, compared to a desktop or DTR. For instance, 1.5 +110% on a desktop chip =1.6v, but 1.5 +110% on the mobile =1.65v. Kina weird, huh. ;)

reject
10-08-2004, 07:59 PM
the results for my memory were on the kv8 pro thats why i had to run 2T.
im still trying to backup my music through dos casue i cant get into windows with the hd on any comp. i cant install windows until i back up my stuff

ugp
10-08-2004, 08:08 PM
the results for my memory were on the kv8 pro thats why i had to run 2T.
im still trying to backup my music through dos casue i cant get into windows with the hd on any comp. i cant install windows until i back up my stuff
That is a perfect example on why you get a slave drive or partition your main drive into 2 parts for atleast your music. For me I do that and I make a backup copy of all my music and important data on my parents PC that I partitioned a section of their drive as well. I just sent the data over the network. Over 10GB worth lol...

kakaroto
10-09-2004, 03:34 AM
Are you running with heatspreader Kaka? Thinking of taking mine off as my temps are crazy on LS

Yes still with.. what benefit did you gain? :D Does it fit, because the evap does not fill 100% on the heatspreader as you might know.

I think the temps are the same as I measured at the epox. -28C idle in speedfan because my display idle and load are quite the same.

Perc
10-09-2004, 03:47 AM
i was undering about that my self? my temps on this 3000 chip are a little off of what id usaly expect on this mach1. i wounder if my heat spreader has a concave or somthing? i got a 3400DTR comming so im not going to bother taking this heat spreader off. now i just hope i dont get clearance problems when i get this DTR? im going to have to check the contact real good i would hate to kill a chip because of a poor foot print....

peace perc,

eva2000
10-09-2004, 12:25 PM
Well time for some 3dmark benchies with this DFI board :)

using my awesome Gecube 9800Pro Extreme R350 :D

3dmark2001 = 25,184 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8172184)
screenie (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x/3dmark2001_9800pro_480-402_25184.jpg)

3dmark2003 = 7,646 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3228171)
screenie (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x/3dmark2003_9800pro_479-401_7646.jpg)

3dmark05 = 3,138 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=144368)
screenie (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.55-3.38-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x/3dmark05_9800pro_477-402_3138.jpg)

Ubermann
10-09-2004, 02:05 PM
GRRR and i freezed out my whole family to reach 24000 with my Pro today!!

G H Z
10-09-2004, 02:34 PM
Yes still with.. what benefit did you gain? :D Does it fit, because the evap does not fill 100% on the heatspreader as you might know.

I think the temps are the same as I measured at the epox. -28C idle in speedfan because my display idle and load are quite the same.

I know with Mach I & II evap does not cover heatpsreader and is offsett infact. With LS evap is larger but still does not cover HS completely. Your R507 Mach I looks like it kicks ass pretty much to me. And it looks like you temps are better than my 3700 at similar Mhz under LS.

RocKer
10-09-2004, 03:10 PM
SpaceMan & Noobie

Samurai Jack has done a lot of testing on the voltages with this board, it just simply is not flucuating the way it looks. All testing was done with $500.00 DVOM from our shop.

One note about voltages & this board. When setting ANY voltages you must Exit & save in bios TWO times( set voltage- exit&save - re enter bios - exit&save again) you do not have to reset the voltage but for some reason it want apply them on the first try. I believe we have incountered this from day one of our board.

As far as the voltages they are rock stable even in the high setting.

Hope This helps.


-Jess-
Well i do not have that problem,i have don it serval times now and i allways have correct voltage or fsb or whatever from the first time a boot,i use the oscar wu 4.0vdimm bios.

When a have to reboot with case resetbutton or on the mobo itself(reset) the pc hangs and a have to push the off button 5sec and then start again to go ahead,any idee watts the problem here.

Perc
10-09-2004, 04:09 PM
I know with Mach I & II evap does not cover heatpsreader and is offsett infact. With LS evap is larger but still does not cover HS completely. Your R507 Mach I looks like it kicks ass pretty much to me. And it looks like you temps are better than my 3700 at similar Mhz under LS.

how much work do you think it will take to get this new DTR3400 to make good contact with my mach1? this will be my first 64 chip with no ICh so im a bit worried that i wont be able to achive good contact. ive run plenty of xp/bartons with this mach1 and the mounting looks the same so i wounder if im worrying for nothing? i plan on checking the clearances before putting it all together i just hope it all works out. anyone in here with a mach unit using DTR chips? just looking for some advise....

peace perc.

reject
10-10-2004, 12:38 AM
That is a perfect example on why you get a slave drive or partition your main drive into 2 parts for atleast your music. For me I do that and I make a backup copy of all my music and important data on my parents PC that I partitioned a section of their drive as well. I just sent the data over the network. Over 10GB worth lol...
yeh, ive been running download files and installed program partitions for ages, just my music and pictures files are so convientinet...
right now i have my existing C for prorams and D for dls, as well as a new e for storage and G for windows. music is on C

running 9x260 3-4-4-8-1T. dled memtest 3.1 and got 25 passes 0 errors! on my kv8 pro 240 was the max 1T could go so im really happy!
sandra is 3944/3944 95%, 3dmarks was not much lower than on kv8 pro @2.5ghz around 22.6k and best was 24.3k). AM3 was quite low ~66k best ive got was 72k.

i cant get it to boot at 2.6 or i get the raid array error, btw. thius is a new cpu and doesnt seem to have very good heatspreader contact

my temps are like 50/60, but on temp probe on side of chip they are 30/40, what temps are other poeple getting on air?
also the voltage readings of my rails are way off multimeter, so i think that vcore/vdimm etc. may be over what is displayed.

kakaroto
10-10-2004, 04:33 AM
I know with Mach I & II evap does not cover heatpsreader and is offsett infact. With LS evap is larger but still does not cover HS completely. Your R507 Mach I looks like it kicks ass pretty much to me. And it looks like you temps are better than my 3700 at similar Mhz under LS.

Hehe, i still don't know if i should take the HS off or not..
Codered sad you will gain around 80MHz with a prom.

Can someone confirm?

CodeRed
10-10-2004, 04:40 AM
Hehe, i still don't know if i should take the HS off or not..
Codered sad you will gain around 80MHz with a prom.

Can someone confirm?

Before removing that spreader make sure you have the memory speed to match. Not much point in gaining 80 MHz on the CPU if you have to drop back a multiplier.

ugp
10-10-2004, 05:45 AM
@CodeRed...what kind of cooling are you using? I can't get my 3200+ to overclock very well. Well stable anyway. It always gives me memory dump errors when loading windows. I figured because of the overclock. Do you have any ideas for me?

reject
10-10-2004, 05:47 AM
my new 3000+ seems to be really gay. it wont run 2.4ghz stable with 1.65v
my last one ran 2.5ghz 1.625v
is it the IHS making poor contact or does it need to be burnt in?
i will get another 3000+ when i rma the 2.5ghz one (which my kv8 pro fried)
so should i take it off or sell it if the new one is good?
in memtest i get 2 errors after 25 passes at 270x9, and windows lockups so im pretty sure its the cpu casue it is fine at 2385mhz (265x9)
any thoughts?

ugp
10-10-2004, 05:52 AM
I wonder if I tried to RMA mine and they would send me a CG stepping :p:It really isn't doing what I want it to. I see all these other peoiple hitting 2.4GHz just fine and I can't hit sh*t! It isn't fair :mad:

kakaroto
10-10-2004, 06:00 AM
Before removing that spreader make sure you have the memory speed to match. Not much point in gaining 80 MHz on the CPU if you have to drop back a multiplier.

Yes, thnx thats also very important thing to think about it. :)

How much did you gain with your 3400+ C0 with 24/7 run?, you have removed the HS right?
I'm running 2900MHz 1.76v at this moment 24/7.

Ubermann
10-10-2004, 06:44 AM
My 3200CG can run stable at 2.380 or so, but very unstable at 2.410.
Its very strange..almost like something is built in to protect them or something

reject
10-10-2004, 06:51 AM
wat about temps? anyone getting accfurate temps? i dont think i am at 50 idle no matter what voltage. temps probe on sid eof IHS says 41 load

CodeRed
10-10-2004, 01:44 PM
Yes, thnx thats also very important thing to think about it. :)

How much did you gain with your 3400+ C0 with 24/7 run?, you have removed the HS right?
I'm running 2900MHz 1.76v at this moment 24/7.


I am not sure about 24/7 usage .. that rig was for benching only :D

For benchies I gained 83 MHz

ugp
10-10-2004, 02:25 PM
Here is my recent test. Although I am seriously thinking of trying to RMA my CPU and hoping for a better clocker but anyway...

Now this is with a 9/10 divider giving me 247.5FSB.

reject
10-10-2004, 09:52 PM
looks ok, but are you running cpc off? nm you have C0
heres mine with a64 tweaker settings:
btw. ugp: my cpu is really bad on this board too, but i dont know if its the cpu or board cause my other 3000+ got 2.5ghz at 1.625v but the abit killed it, then self destructed!

nutcase
10-10-2004, 10:10 PM
This is the Best I can do right now with Mine.. Blasted Vdimm is not adjusting over 2.9V on mine :rolleyes:

DFI LanpartyUT NF3 250GB
Athlon64 3200+ Clawhammer
1 256Mb stick of OCZ PC4200EL @ 3-4-4-7 and 2.9V
Aircooled with XP90 and Panaflo 92mm
Enermax 430W PSU

G H Z
10-10-2004, 10:57 PM
I flashed BIOS 5 times and never got vdimm options over 2.9v with Beta either, so I gave it up for the booster :confused:

Catalan
10-10-2004, 11:56 PM
eva2000 what are some good a64 tweaker settings with 2xKHX3000/512 BH-5?

Epsilon
10-11-2004, 12:53 AM
For BH5 i use:

2.0
8 (or 9, depends on motherboard)
12
2
2
2
5
Last 4 on minimum :)

eva2000
10-11-2004, 02:55 AM
eva2000 what are some good a64 tweaker settings with 2xKHX3000/512 BH-5? not sure for 2x 512MB as it will be looser than with 1x 256MB or 1x 512MB you really need to play with the settings using the testing outlined at http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?p=974#post974

Right now after some tweaking managed to get 1x 512MB Kingston HyperX KHX3200/512 BH-5 rock stable @ 260mhz 2-2-2-6 1T at 3.54v vdimm

with 9800Pro Extreme some 3dmarks

3dmark2001 = 25,698 (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/3dmark2001_9800pro_480-402_25698.jpg) | http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8175322
3dmark2003 = 7,737 (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/3dmark2003_9800pro_483-402_7737.jpg) | http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3233916
3dmark05 = 3,167 (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/3dmark05_9800pro_483-402_3167_session.jpg) | http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=153295
Pcmark04 = 5,221 (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/pcmark04_483-402_5221.jpg) | http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm04=2618975
Aquamark3 = 59,477 (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1692184156)

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/mem-buff1.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/mem-unbuff1.jpg

Hexus PiFast = 46.97s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/pifast.jpg)

SuperPi
1M = 33s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/superpi-1m.jpg)
2M = 1min 17s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/superpi-2m.jpg)
4M = 2min 52s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/superpi-4m.jpg)
8M = 6min 13s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/superpi-8m.jpg)
16M = 14min 24s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/superpi-16m.jpg)
32M = 38min 41s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/superpi-32m.jpg)

n00by
10-11-2004, 03:21 AM
Amazing what ddr booster can do for tight timings + bh5.

AllBrain
10-11-2004, 03:22 AM
Here is the max FSB my Crucial Ballistix DDR400 512MB stick can do at the moment:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/AllBrain/Ballistix/3-4-4-11275.jpg

It does not want to go past that FSB. I wonder if some more Vdimm or Vchipset will help?

reject
10-11-2004, 03:34 AM
hag6br has some really nice numbers!
eva2000, that looks good, but i get similar scores at 265 with really loose timings? and how do you do unbuffered runs?
and albrain what are your settings? looks good!

heres my best so far. thanks to afhung for the tip on using 4708 refresh with hynix D-43

AllBrain
10-11-2004, 03:42 AM
Here is my settings:

Memory Timings -> 3-4-4-11 @ 1T
HTT -> 275
HTT Multiplier -> 3x
CPU Multiplier -> 8x
CPU Voltage -> Default
Chipset Voltage -> Default
Memory Voltage -> Default

eva2000
10-11-2004, 03:49 AM
hag6br has some really nice numbers!
eva2000, that looks good, but i get similar scores at 265 with really loose timings? and how do you do unbuffered runs?
and albrain what are your settings? looks good!

heres my best so far. thanks to afhung for the tip on using 4708 refresh with hynix D-43
buffered sandra scores don't show real speed of memory, only sandra unbuffered will show real speed of memory

to run unbuffered uncheck 9 check boxes listed here

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-9-12-2211-1.66-3.54-1.5-1.7_DSlvl1_7x16x_3120/mem-unbuff1.jpg

freestylercs
10-11-2004, 03:50 AM
Does anyone use a OCZ DDR Booster on this Board??

Whats the max voltage you can reach with it??

thx for reply free

reject
10-11-2004, 03:51 AM
wow that samsung really doesnt need any volts! id try upping chipset to 1.7v

eva2000
10-11-2004, 04:04 AM
Does anyone use a OCZ DDR Booster on this Board??

Whats the max voltage you can reach with it??

thx for reply free
i use OCZ DDR Booster and you can use up to max 3.9v from what i can tell

But upto 3.59v vdimm is fine, past 3.6v vdimm, DFI board doesn't boot up on reboots, you need to dial down to <3.6v to boot up or reboot and then once booted up >3.6v vdimm. It's annoying so i generally use up to 3.54-3.57v.

Wish there was a fix for the >3.6v boot issue!

reject
10-11-2004, 04:23 AM
ok then here is my unbuffered. looks pretty lame compared to your now. i gues buff'd likes fsb and unbuff'd likes tight timings. so what is the point of buffered and why is it default?
what are your full settings? esp. what Trc, Trfc, and Tref. and also what DQS value are you using?
i think that is enough tweaking for today, i flashed to 5/10 beta 4vdimm and am using 3.2v.
now i will play doom3 for the first time in ages since my comp was last up like a month ago!

freestylercs
10-11-2004, 04:42 AM
great thx @eva :toast:

so i can ebay it

free

reject
10-11-2004, 06:36 AM
well first i tried to play D3, but it needed to be reinstalled so i cbf. then i went to play chaser, but i get pauses and artifacts due to the immense heat of the chipset. the probe i put on the top of the hs reads 45c. i have a zalman blue hs, but i dont think i could put it on the nb or it would block a better gpu heatsink being installed. maybe i will try. would the zalman have enough surface area? i dont think it could cover the whole chip as the bottom is a rectangle

nutcase
10-11-2004, 08:12 AM
Ok Eva, Here is an unbuffered benchmark for you..

A sandra Buffered Benchmark is a Maximum Throughput of the system and Sandra uses 7 different algorithims to calculate the score.

An Unbuffered benchmark is the Raw Throughput of the system Not using any special functions of the system, such as MMX, SSE, Hyperthreading, Burst transfers, Etc.

And Now Eva.. How are you keeping your system stable over 2.9V Vdimm. Anything I use over 2.9V Locks the system up tighter than a drum in Windows. and that is with 5 different types of Ram.

But my system won't even POST with PC3500EB Installed :mad:

eva2000
10-11-2004, 08:51 AM
Ok Eva, Here is an unbuffered benchmark for you..

And Now Eva.. How are you keeping your system stable over 2.9V Vdimm. Anything I use over 2.9V Locks the system up tighter than a drum in Windows. and that is with 5 different types of Ram.

But my system won't even POST with PC3500EB Installed :mad: what are those 5 types of ram ? what was used for that 325HTT 1:1?

yes my 2x 256MB OCZ PC3500EB individually won't boot on DFI board only my 512MB OCZ PC3700EB will boot

so far i have no probs with single sticks of

BH-5
XMS3500C2v1.1 in 256MB and 512MB
KHX3200K2/512
KHX3200/512

other ram
512MB OCZ PC3700EB
512MB OCZ PC3700 Gold rev3
256MB ADATA PC4000

still have quite a few different ram to test

what psu do you have hag6br? i'm using a volt modded 3.3v rail 550W Antec TrueControl




what are your full settings? esp. what Trc, Trfc, and Tref. and also what DQS value are you using?
i think that is enough tweaking for today, i flashed to 5/10 beta 4vdimm and am using 3.2v.
now i will play doom3 for the first time in ages since my comp was last up like a month ago!

2-2-2-6-9-12-2-2-1-1 with 7x max bypass, 16x r/w bypass, 7ns max async latency rest are auto

nutcase
10-11-2004, 09:54 AM
I found the problem..

Any Hynix based Ram will Hang in windows over 2.9V No matter what I do.

Any Micron Based Ram, the system picks the wrong Multiplier and won't POST. AFter I manually set the Muliplier, The PC3500EB started to work great.

My DDR booster works great with Micron and Winbond Based ram (have had it up to 3.8V) But won't work with Hynix Based Ram...

Must still be some quirks in the Bios I guess.

As for PSU's.. I have used My Enermax 430W and My OCZ Powerstream 520W.

If you are wondering, I am using the Beta 9/14 Bios.

If you are wondering, I was Going for a Max 1:1 Overclock with the PC4200EL as I know this stuff will do 317 FSB on a P4C800..

Mrki
10-11-2004, 10:37 AM
yes my 2x 256MB OCZ PC3500EB individually won't boot on DFI board only my 512MB OCZ PC3700EB will boot


i have 2x256MB OCZ 3500EB and thay works without problems!

Perc
10-11-2004, 10:43 AM
with a ocz DDR booster will i need a strong 3.3v rail to run the higher volts? right now i run the antec true control 550watt and my 3.3v rail is about 3.28v wich lets me use 3.20v for v-dimm wich feeds my bh-5 enough juice to run 255 1:1 1T but was wanting to get the booster for more v-dimm action. will this work or will i still need to get my 3.3v rail modded?

thx perc,

Marquzz
10-11-2004, 11:01 AM
Here is some 2-2-2 action for you. My kingston is doing well in this mobo :D



http://www.techsweden.org/marquzz/DFI/big.png

spaceman
10-11-2004, 12:03 PM
with a ocz DDR booster will i need a strong 3.3v rail to run the higher volts? right now i run the antec true control 550watt and my 3.3v rail is about 3.28v wich lets me use 3.20v for v-dimm wich feeds my bh-5 enough juice to run 255 1:1 1T but was wanting to get the booster for more v-dimm action. will this work or will i still need to get my 3.3v rail modded?

thx perc,
If you already have the booster, give it a whirl. Otherwise, just see how high your pot turns up the 3.3v rail. If you can get say 3.8v on it, then you should be able to give the RAM 3.7v (with the 4.0v BIOS). You might find out you don't need a booster. :) I'm using a PCP&C 510 Deluxe, that only gives me 3.52v, for 3.4vdimm. I'm gonna see what my Turbocool 425 gives me, and if it's not any better, I'm probly gonna look for a booster. Heh, I was playin around last night, and got up to 7x340 using the 7/10 divider. :D I'm right next to stable @ 9x289 using 5/6, for 2601 MHz. I've narrowed my weak link down to vid card RAM, so I'm not done yet. ;)

Ubermann
10-11-2004, 12:05 PM
Is that newcastle ?

Marquzz
10-11-2004, 12:10 PM
Is that newcastle ?

If you meant me it's an 3700+, i.e. Clawhammer.

ugp
10-11-2004, 01:56 PM
Current Testing:

Now I run MemTets86 I get errors but Windows seems to be stable. Doesn't make since. Been doing usually stuff for 2 days now. Playing games...etc.

But here is 287.5x8.0 = 2.3GHz @ 1.500 + 113%
Memory is at a 9/10 Divider giving me 258.75FSB at 2.5-4-3-10

reject
10-11-2004, 06:06 PM
you shouldnt get errors in memtest. in 1.26 try to run 5 full loops between ocing.
eva2000 apart from all the 2s and 1s im runnning the same as you, had to turn up async from 7 to 8ns and got a ton of stability
so the reason your 400mb\s higher than me is because of the 2-2-2? casue this is the best ram i have. :( now im gonna have to get to DDR600 just to catch up to you :lol

ugp
10-11-2004, 06:26 PM
Well it seems really stable so far and I get errors in MemTest so I don't know...doesn't make since... I have thrown everything at it so far.

chickenrun
10-11-2004, 07:06 PM
Here is my settings:

Memory Timings -> 3-4-4-11 @ 1T
HTT -> 275
HTT Multiplier -> 3x
CPU Multiplier -> 8x
CPU Voltage -> Default
Chipset Voltage -> Default
Memory Voltage -> Default

I'm hitting a wall exactly at the same HTT of 275 with 2x512 OCZ 4200 3-4-4-8 1T (09/14 bios) and I get a "Nvidia Raid Services failes" message everytime I come into Windows - funny though this does not appear in case I boot with 270...

Same issue even with only 1 peace of ram... dunno what's wrong - I could hit 300 1:1 2T (CPUx7) on my old K8N Neo ?!?!

Btw - can anyone tell me which mem I find on my 2x256 3500EB ?

ugp
10-11-2004, 08:04 PM
Is it better to set the HTT Multiplier yourself or to leave it at AUTO? I am unsure of this setting.

Mrki
10-11-2004, 11:36 PM
I think i must have 32 or 33sek ...

34 is bit low??? :confused:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/10x260_34sek.jpg

nutcase
10-12-2004, 06:20 AM
well, I hit what I was trying for :)

everything same as before except 3V Vdimm using DDR Booster.

Ubermann
10-12-2004, 08:34 AM
What memory is that ?

nutcase
10-12-2004, 08:57 AM
What memory is that ?

If you mean me.. That is 1 256Mb stick of OCZ PC4200EL..

Ubermann
10-12-2004, 09:23 AM
Can you post your settings for that from bios ?

Syzzer
10-12-2004, 11:51 AM
If you mean me.. That is 1 256Mb stick of OCZ PC4200EL..
What kind of chips does that mem use? I guess TCCD?

nutcase
10-12-2004, 12:39 PM
What kind of chips does that mem use? I guess TCCD?

They Use Hynix BT-D43 chips. Part of the reason the timings are so Loose (3-4-4-7).

Ubermann, Will post my settings later when it cools off again. we are starting another heat wave here but it is Cool at night..

reject
10-12-2004, 06:24 PM
i think my ram has the same chips, im trying to get it stable at 270. bypass and r/w bypass are set at 4 (any lower gives big bandwidth loss) and all the dqs, 32byte stuff is set to dibable or decrease for stability.
how did you get past 275 for a start, are your pcbs better than mine?

nutcase
10-12-2004, 08:11 PM
i think my ram has the same chips, im trying to get it stable at 270. bypass and r/w bypass are set at 4 (any lower gives big bandwidth loss) and all the dqs, 32byte stuff is set to dibable or decrease for stability.
how did you get past 275 for a start, are your pcbs better than mine?


First, Have you dropped your LDT multiplier yet? I dropped mine to 3x at 300 FSB to keep from corrupting the Hard drive.

these are the only settings I changed from Auto:

CAS latency to 3
Ras to CAS Delay Delay to 4
Ras Precharge to 4
TRAS to 7 (might need 8 for your ram)
TRC to 11

Also, Do not Take Vdimm over 2.9V if booting to windows. Mine will hang If it goes Higher,

And I just noticed. I had to run 2T for High FSB.

and to let you know. I have 2 sticks of the PC4200EL. 1 will not go over 290 FSB while the other will do 326 FSB.

And yes, The PCB's used in OCZ Ram are designed for Maximum performance and for low noise.

Also, A 512MB module will limit your Overclock also. A64's don't always like double sided Dimm's.

chickenrun
10-12-2004, 08:19 PM
@hag6br
I thought u used 3v as mentioned above...??

I recon on my Asus K8V I had to do a cmos-clear after switching between the 3500EB and the 4200 - otherwise the screen would go blank when booting into windows... dunno if those MB's store some information in the backyard that you hv to get rid of when trying with diff ram...?

Your hint re voltage might work for me as well... had one module running at 300 with the max vdimm of 2.85v on the MSI K8N.. will giv e it a try this evening

nutcase
10-12-2004, 08:22 PM
@hag6br
I thought u used 3v as mentioned above...??

Your hint re voltage might work for me as well... had one module running at 300 with the max vdimm of 2.85v on the MSI K8N.. will giv e it a try this evening

I did.. I booted up at 2.9V and after into windows, I used the DDR booster to bring it up to 3V.. :cool:

chickenrun
10-12-2004, 08:37 PM
I see. :)

Ubermann
10-12-2004, 10:12 PM
Can you run at PI with that.
Dont think it will be that great with 2T =)

AllBrain
10-13-2004, 01:10 AM
Just look at what Ballistix can do on this board with default voltage and 2.5-2-2-11 timings:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/AllBrain/Ballistix/2.jpg

eva2000
10-13-2004, 01:13 AM
Allbrain, that prime95, pifast, superpi stable ?

AllBrain
10-13-2004, 02:03 AM
That is Super_PI 32 MB stable. I will test with some 3D benchmarking as soon as I get my new GFX, but I believe that if it can pass a 32 MB Super_PI test, then it is stable.

reject
10-13-2004, 02:42 AM
hag6br: yeh i should have thought of 2T. just i was very impressed that this board let me run my ram at 1T this high!
i can boot windows at 3.2 bios 3.16 ite monitor. but im pretty sure thats 3.2v real cause the ite guardian read my psu rails much lower than DMM.
oh well its budget ram so im happy!
also managed to tweak some bandwidth.
now tonight i will put in a pci vid card so i can run memtest all night and manage to sleep :D

Just saw http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2206&p=7
seems that 270 is the max with 2 sticks.
and if anandtech cant get further, what hope have we got :stick: :D

chickenrun
10-13-2004, 05:36 AM
@reject

Since the review of the K8N Neo by those guys and people like myself rushed to buy THE A64 board of your dreams :rolleyes:... I now know what to think about their reviews....
To be fair, at least with the DFI they came closer to reality... ;) But I do think we can go further - let's wait for some more awesome stuff by Oscar :)

ugp
10-13-2004, 05:44 AM
I wish I had a Phasechange Cooler and I could do some awesome stuff:D

nutcase
10-13-2004, 08:13 AM
Can you run at PI with that.
Dont think it will be that great with 2T =)

Nope.. it barely runs a Sandra benchmark at that speed.. :p:

eva2000
10-13-2004, 09:03 AM
been playing with my 9800Pro more on DFI board and managed this :)

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/1x256/14/LDT_AUTO/10x/266-266-2226-1T-1.75-3.52-1.6-1.8_8-12-2211_7x_8x_dsLVL1/3dmark2001_9800pro_483-402_25877_all.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/1x256/14/LDT_AUTO/10x/266-266-2226-1T-1.75-3.52-1.6-1.8_8-12-2211_7x_8x_dsLVL1/pifast_16x_200mhz15.6u_MAL6ns.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/1x256/14/LDT_AUTO/10x/266-266-2226-1T-1.75-3.52-1.6-1.8_8-12-2211_7x_8x_dsLVL1/superpi-8m_16x200mhz15.6u_MAL6ns.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/1x256/14/LDT_AUTO/10x/266-266-2226-1T-1.75-3.52-1.6-1.8_8-12-2211_7x_8x_dsLVL1/superpi-32m.jpg

Ubermann
10-13-2004, 10:07 AM
Im just finished putting a cpu cooler on my pro.
What OS and what drivers for the ati do you use eva ?
I gonna beat that score later this evening when mr COLD enter outside =)

Loque
10-13-2004, 10:51 AM
why I´m only getting 43 seconds on super pi with a a64 3400+ cw co @ 2.2ghz and 40 seconds @ 2.4gz ?

2x512 Ocz El Plat Rev2 + Dfi Lanparty UT nf3 250gb

Ubermann
10-13-2004, 11:07 AM
Sounds like thermal throttling.

Loque
10-13-2004, 12:13 PM
its disabled, cool&quiet too.. also I got Oscar´s 10/5 Beta bios..

ddr@200fsb 2-2-2-5 1T..

ugp
10-13-2004, 09:28 PM
@Loque

Clock the hell out of that RAM and CPU man. It has got it in her.
The RAM will do 2-2-2-5-1T all the way up to 220FSb with 2 sticks in.
After that you will have to use CL 2.5

Also just go ahead and run v2.9 to the RAM and put your chipset at v1.8. It shouldn't run too hot. Mine runs very cold for it only having the stock cooler.

reject
10-13-2004, 09:55 PM
my nF3 is so hot, it lowered my gpu and memory ocs. so i put on a blue zalman hs and i still cant oc my card as far.

GOOD NEWS: ran memtest all last night, did 21 full loops and only got 6 errors!
i think that modding my vsense and bumping vdimm will eliminate those errors am i right?
i had to put Tref down to 4196 and lost a bit of unbuffered, but i want it stable most of all and cpu speed can make up for the loss :D

ugp
10-14-2004, 01:10 AM
I got alittle more out of my DFI, CPU, and RAM tonight.

I finally hit 275x8.0 with 1:1

I posted a picture..

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17717

I want to see if I can tweak the timings alittle...what do you guys think it should handle? 2.5-4-3-10? I'll give that one a try.

eva2000
10-14-2004, 01:20 AM
eva2000 apart from all the 2s and 1s im runnning the same as you, had to turn up async from 7 to 8ns and got a ton of stability
so the reason your 400mb\s higher than me is because of the 2-2-2? casue this is the best ram i have. :( now im gonna have to get to DDR600 just to catch up to you :lol
missed your reply ... yeah partly due to my 2-2-2-6 timings and the max async latency being tighter

ahfung
10-14-2004, 03:34 AM
I just managed to finish another mission impossible on Lanparty, it gives me surprise everyday!

Now this is what can do with a Corsair TWINX XL (TCCD) borrowed from my friend.

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments/C8aH_tccd_ddr600.gif

eva2000
10-14-2004, 03:51 AM
ahfung please resize or save image in another format i.e. jpg at 70% quality! it's take ages to load your image even on my 1500K ADSL!

ugp
10-14-2004, 03:59 AM
His image loaded for me quickly..but why the B&W?

ahfung
10-14-2004, 04:15 AM
His image loaded for me quickly..but why the B&W?

B&W gif is the smaller in size than jpeg. For you info it's only 85KB.

eva2000
10-14-2004, 05:04 AM
strange the image saved as progressive ?

ahfung
10-14-2004, 05:06 AM
strange the image saved as progressive ?

It's a GIF, so I've no idea why it appear as progressive to you.

Here's the jpg version for you.

http://www.anti-x.org/bbs/attachments/forumid_13/YxXw_tccd_ddr600.jpg

Ubermann
10-14-2004, 05:22 AM
I can never get my tccd to run 300 1:1 with 2.5-3-3 =(
280 is max..over that and computer dies after a while.
Can you post settings for that ?

reject
10-14-2004, 05:27 AM
you must be using 1 or 2 sticks of 256. no way those awesome results could happen in a 1gig rig :D

ahfung
10-14-2004, 05:29 AM
you must be using 1 or 2 sticks of 256. no way those awesome results could happen in a 1gig rig :D

Wrong and right :cool:

It's a stick of 512MB double side. The other stick of TWINX XL just won't run that speed at that timing. :mad:

ahfung
10-14-2004, 05:31 AM
I can never get my tccd to run 300 1:1 with 2.5-3-3 =(
280 is max..over that and computer dies after a while.
Can you post settings for that ?

Will do that when I'm home again.

eva2000
10-14-2004, 05:50 AM
It's a GIF, so I've no idea why it appear as progressive to you.

Here's the jpg version for you.

http://www.anti-x.org/bbs/attachments/forumid_13/YxXw_tccd_ddr600.jpg
this version loads with no probs strange i know :)

ugp
10-14-2004, 09:13 AM
I have always disabled Fastwrite myself...but what does Side-band Adressing do?

reject
10-14-2004, 06:19 PM
yeh i disabled fastwrites casue i got awful dx9 performance, but yeah ^^^?
on my kv8 415 was fine, but now 410 is what i can do and that cuases probs in far cry,
luckily D3 is openGL and runs sweeeet!
anyway ill try disabling it thanks
EDIT
forgot to say, did another all nighter memtest and got 4 errors in 9 hours 30 mins or 28 full loops!
i reckon one more and it will be error free!

KingZer0
10-15-2004, 02:31 AM
After nearly 60 pages i have to repeat a question which is very important for some of us.

I have this DFI Board too and my investigations are that there is a performance difference @ stockspeed between the DFI and other Mobos but it dont lies in the Memory Bandwith as it seems.

So what is to say?
Is it possible for DFI to achieve a higher performance with upcoming bios releases or will it always be neccesary to reach acceptable results only by tweaking the DFI?

Whats the matter is it the memory interleaving some of u guys already talking about?
What do u guys think?

eva2000
10-15-2004, 02:49 AM
maybe DFI bios update could have 2 speed/performance presets like standard and turbo too ?

reject
10-15-2004, 07:58 PM
wooo hooo!
10 hrs 50 mins, 32 full loops and not a single error!!!!!
also got a new 3000+ for free today so gonna try out its ocing ability. i bet it was the iss not making good contact with core.

spaceman
10-16-2004, 01:26 AM
After nearly 60 pages i have to repeat a question which is very important for some of us.

I have this DFI Board too and my investigations are that there is a performance difference @ stockspeed between the DFI and other Mobos but it dont lies in the Memory Bandwith as it seems.

So what is to say?
Is it possible for DFI to achieve a higher performance with upcoming bios releases or will it always be neccesary to reach acceptable results only by tweaking the DFI?

Whats the matter is it the memory interleaving some of u guys already talking about?
What do u guys think? Really hard to say. I bet a big part of it is, they must have taken their time with the power management layout, and did a great job. :cool: Now, if only they'd change the vcore to all easy to understand values, and fix the double-save & exit thing, it'd be perfect. :D I've written down most all of the vcore voltages now, but figuring it out in the beginning is a bit tricky. ;)

spaceman
10-16-2004, 01:57 AM
http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=mo3dmark2001&Number=4487835 (http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=mo3dmark2001&Number=4487835&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1)

Read.
Read, and noted upon, thanx much. :)

eva2000
10-16-2004, 04:21 AM
curious guys how are some DFI owners managing to use DX8.1 for 3d2k1 when DFI boards nvidia drivers prompt and require DX9 http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43696 ?

Ubermann
10-16-2004, 04:26 AM
You just press "yes" and continue to install.
But Control panel for sound wont be installed i think.

eva2000
10-16-2004, 04:52 AM
doh so simple :o

reject
10-16-2004, 04:53 AM
is dx8 faster in 2k1?

eva2000
10-16-2004, 04:55 AM
yup :)

kakaroto
10-16-2004, 06:25 AM
I have got a serious problem with this board.
Yesterday it ran fine, till the lockup in windows.

Now my bios is sort of corrupt, sometimes teared up bios screen. lockup logo LANPARTY...etc. so i thought trying to reflash overwrite the 9/12 bios with the 10/5.

After serveral times trying. (sometimes the system hang during loading the bootdisk) I reflashed the bios.

But still it hangs and my bios is STILL corupt.

Can someone help me with this? or RMA?

eva2000
10-16-2004, 06:38 AM
maybe memory oc'd too high ? tried hot flashing ?

i have a bios savior installed on my DFI board for such emergencies

mikead_99
10-16-2004, 06:40 AM
curious guys how are some DFI owners managing to use DX8.1 for 3d2k1 when DFI boards nvidia drivers prompt and require DX9 http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43696 ?

Heh, when you go to install the NF3 drivers and you get that pop-up about DX9, just hit yes. :toast:

Even though there is no question in the dialog box, just the warning, the "Yes"/"No" buttons are there. This should be asking if you would like to continue anyway. Yes, you do.

kakaroto
10-16-2004, 06:43 AM
maybe memory oc'd too high ? tried hot flashing ?

i have a bios savior installed on my DFI board for such emergencies

well i reflashed my bios now 3 times. so it cannot be the bios.

The mem could be the issue, cause the bios write the data in the memory.

But when im in the bios it hangs sometimes? also a mem prob?

eva2000
10-16-2004, 07:01 AM
tried different ram, different dimm slots ? condensation in dimm slot area ?

kakaroto
10-16-2004, 07:06 AM
tried different ram, different dimm slots ? condensation in dimm slot area ?

different ram, At this moment i only have 2 diff. mem. Tryed them in any order. One dimm only etc etc.

It seems it must be a memory issue, i try higher vddr.

Very odd problems it is.

eva2000
10-16-2004, 07:09 AM
a few people have had similar issues due to condensation forming near the dimm slots as well, might want to check

reject
10-16-2004, 07:12 AM
hmmm should i try to remove the ihs from my hottest cpu? there may be a bubble in the contact.
its really bugging me that i can oc my memory so far but not cpu.
im gonna go water in a couple of months but i want to get a reasonable air oc otherwise water wont be much better i fear...
otherwise board is rock steady.
240x10 prime errors, crashes, 270x9 same deal. ive tried a few voltages, uup to about 1.67 but no imporvement. not even 3d stable so i cant burn it in.

kakaroto
10-16-2004, 07:32 AM
a few people have had similar issues due to condensation forming near the dimm slots as well, might want to check

I found it :D

There where two problems, my memory and the APIC.
That was the reason why I could'nt boot into windows. It was disabled.

And with 2.8v vdimm it works...pffjuw

spaceman
10-16-2004, 07:43 AM
Heh, when you go to install the NF3 drivers and you get that pop-up about DX9, just hit yes. :toast:

Even though there is no question in the dialog box, just the warning, the "Yes"/"No" buttons are there. This should be asking if you would like to continue anyway. Yes, you do. What about Catalyst drivers, that require DX9? Or is there an ultimate version of Cats to use, without the DX9 requirement? I'm using a VIVO@ XT PE, if that's relevant to older driver performance. Thanx. :)

Ubermann
10-16-2004, 09:03 AM
Installed win2000 and directx 8.1 and ati 4.9
After alot of tweaking i gained 50 points in 3dmark01 hahaha
Wasnt worth it, thought i would gain a few hundred.

eva2000
10-16-2004, 09:07 AM
4.9 sucks for 3d2k1

trey
10-16-2004, 09:32 AM
Hi again,

I got my DFI yesterday, really happy :D

Though i havent bought any new ram, som im stuck with kingston ddr333 hyperx, not bh-5 :(

Anyway, my problem is that i get a ugly bluescreen, IRQL not less or equal, this is a bad ass bluescreen, can be anything. So i release the timings abit and it seems to work, and i tried another dimm slot then dimm1 but it wont work, the screen dont come on, just black, but i can hear it start and so....weird...

Why cant i use another slot then 1, and do anyone no what my bluescreen could be.

Ubermann
10-16-2004, 09:35 AM
4.9 sucks for 3d2k1

It sucks ? ppl recommended it =(
What driver should i use ?

mikead_99
10-16-2004, 02:17 PM
@ spaceman: I think anything beyond 4.9's isn't going to work with dx8 setup, but for 2k1, with an X800 variant, 4.9's, dx8.1 and W2k are the best.

@ Ubermann: Last time I benched a 9800 the 3.2's, dx8.1 and W2k beat all. That may have changed in the last 6 months or so, but might be worth trying.

Sucks the way this 3d benching path is going atm. You pretty much need to keep multiple OS partitions setup if you want to get any kind of a competitive score.

lol, and just to stay on topic, all of those OS/dx configs work great on my DFI mobo! :p:

reject
10-16-2004, 09:25 PM
trey sounds like your ram is stressed too much try looseing timings a bit more. is it stable at stock?

eva2000
10-16-2004, 10:22 PM
It sucks ? ppl recommended it =(
What driver should i use ?
sorry my mistake i was think 4.8 drivers heh 4.9 are okay for 3d2k1 heh

trey
10-17-2004, 01:28 AM
reject, yea i tried 2,5-3-3 timings and it works great now, will try thighting them later, though i know that they dont overclock so good, so i will probably wait for new ram.

But its hard two chose ram, cause i need 2x512, and i wanna overclock them as high as possible :D

reject
10-17-2004, 04:10 AM
get TCCD then geail ultra X for budget or ocz EL rev.2 for richer!

trey
10-17-2004, 08:08 AM
I was thinking on one of thous, but here in sweden they have the same pricetag, so if i buy them here i will go for the ocz.... But are the TCCD ram the best when its 2x512, it seems so, but im not sure, im gonna think until the end of this month, then i need to buy a pack!

Dagalidis
10-17-2004, 01:07 PM
I just love my new DFI Mobo.... :D

At last .... my ADATA Vitesta DDR500 with Hynix -D5 Chips 1X512MB running on 295 1:1 @ 2.9 Vmem Cl3 4-4-4-8 CMD 1T...

This is not stable but is just a reference for Performance.... :toast:

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=110345

Goldlocke
10-17-2004, 01:37 PM
Dagalidis, you're using a DFI now too? Or is that 4500mb/s still on your KV8Pro?

Is anybody using 2x 512MB RAM AND OCZ Booster on the DFI?
I put Booster in DIMM1 (only choice) and RAMs in DIMM2&3.

Upping the voltage works smoothly, but DIMM2&3 seem kinda crappy in terms of RAM stability. So I can't get higher RAM OCs with the booster. :(
Any comments? thx, goldlocke.

Dagalidis
10-17-2004, 01:50 PM
Dagalidis, you're using a DFI now too? Or is that 4500mb/s still on your KV8Pro?

Is anybody using 2x 512MB RAM AND OCZ Booster on the DFI?
I put Booster in DIMM1 (only choice) and RAMs in DIMM2&3.

Upping the voltage works smoothly, but DIMM2&3 seem kinda crappy in terms of RAM stability. So I can't get higher RAM OCs with the booster. :(
Any comments? thx, goldlocke.


Yes i'm using DFI since Friday... :D

My old ABIT has new owner :toast:

trey
10-17-2004, 02:50 PM
Is there something wrong with my mobo when i only can use dimm1, the one near the cpu?

craig588
10-17-2004, 03:05 PM
Do you have a C0?

ugp
10-17-2004, 05:33 PM
The DIMM nearest to the CPU is DIMM3 my friend...if that is to what you are referring to.

I want me a CG ClawHammer...anyone know where I can get one cheap and know anyone that wants a C0 ClawHammer?

spaceman
10-17-2004, 08:21 PM
The DIMM nearest to the CPU is DIMM3 my friend...if that is to what you are referring to.

I want me a CG ClawHammer...anyone know where I can get one cheap and know anyone that wants a C0 ClawHammer?
Is yours marked DIMM 3? Mine is clearly marked DIMM 1, the one closest to the CPU socket. :confused:

STEvil
10-17-2004, 09:45 PM
I have a CG, but its only a 2800+... and its all mine! ;)

Zeus
10-17-2004, 10:22 PM
Is yours marked DIMM 3? Mine is clearly marked DIMM 1, the one closest to the CPU socket. :confused:

Same here. :confused:

Walrusbonzo
10-17-2004, 10:27 PM
Is yours marked DIMM 3? Mine is clearly marked DIMM 1, the one closest to the CPU socket. :confused:

Same here too

Catalan
10-17-2004, 11:45 PM
Mine is also DIMM 1 D:

reject
10-17-2004, 11:51 PM
yep, dimm 1 for me. i have my ram in 1 and 3 and a 60mm fan across them :D

ugp
10-18-2004, 04:31 AM
Whoops...nvm I was reading it wrong...my eye sight isn't the best right now. Havne't had much sleep lately :( I am sorry :(

trey
10-18-2004, 06:51 AM
hehe :D, anyway, why can i only use dimm1? if i try some else in wont show anything on my screen, though i can here it start and all!?

craig588
10-18-2004, 10:30 AM
Its probably because you have a C0. What is your chip?

trey
10-18-2004, 01:30 PM
i got a newcastle, cg chip!

craig588
10-18-2004, 01:55 PM
DFI's new beta bios has memtest built into it. I just flashed it, and works just like the CD one. Get them here: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=336683

spaceman
10-18-2004, 02:50 PM
DFI's new beta bios has memtest built into it. I just flashed it, and works just like the CD one. Get them here: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=336683
Sweet, I was wondering when there'd be a new "official" BIOS, but I'll definitely settle for this. :D Thanx. EDIT: Whoa, baby, did you read the rest of that thread? Samurai Jack's workin' out a mod, to run vdimm off the 5v rail. :toast: :banana: :toast: My BH-5 is just drooling and ready to run. :D

spaceman
10-18-2004, 03:15 PM
Whoops...nvm I was reading it wrong...my eye sight isn't the best right now. Havne't had much sleep lately :( I am sorry :(
Ha, 50 lashes, with a wet noodle, ya trouble-maker. :D :stick: ;) It just made me wonder if some boards were mis-marked, that's all. :)

Perc
10-18-2004, 03:56 PM
The DIMM nearest to the CPU is DIMM3 my friend...if that is to what you are referring to.

I want me a CG ClawHammer...anyone know where I can get one cheap and know anyone that wants a C0 ClawHammer?


not on my DFI dimm1 is closest to the cpu and dimm3 is furthest. says it right on the mb :p:

*edit* sorry about that i see above you guys already posted that dimm1 was near the cpu, i gues i should read ALL the posts before posting :D

peace perc,

STEvil
10-18-2004, 04:15 PM
vdimm off the +5? Thats pretty simple to do... just cut the trace that feeds your vregs from the +3.3 and solder the +5 to it.

ugp
10-18-2004, 06:48 PM
Yeah I should learn to read them with the lights on LOL!

I am sorry guys. Forgive me:(

spaceman
10-18-2004, 07:06 PM
vdimm off the +5? Thats pretty simple to do... just cut the trace that feeds your vregs from the +3.3 and solder the +5 to it.
Simple for you, maybe. I have 3 left thumbs, on my right hand. :p: ;) I dunno, if I had pics, I might try it, but I'd sure hate to mess up. :( I'll hang tough a bit, and see how that Samurai Jack mod looks. :)

reject
10-18-2004, 11:27 PM
or just solder a line from the atx 5v, and connect it to pin 1 of the dimms. wire a VR in series unless you wanna break some records and ur ram

STEvil
10-19-2004, 01:58 AM
would take a very large vr, would fry the mem pretty quick, and would likely cook the CPU too. The hint here is dont do that :rolleyes:

Connect to input side of vdimm supply, disconnect supply from +3.3. Have fun.