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Ubermann
09-22-2004, 08:38 AM
try "100 1/2" the first option

Zeus
09-22-2004, 08:42 AM
lol, guys, nothing then 1:1 makes any sense on a A64-rig....your HTT could be 1000MHz.....when u would have a 1/5-divider your sandra-benchies would be @ normal 200MHz-results :rolleyes:

HTT (async-driving), doesn't bring ANY boost....so, just forget that und drive 1:1 and enjoy ;)

It's all about finding the boards max.
Imagine one could find mem that does 400MHz....

And like Ubermann says, it was fun! :D

ugp
09-22-2004, 11:12 AM
Good job man...I shall try 420 as well...I have yet to try that...I will try it tonight

Ubermann add me to your message list Yahoo! or AIM

NPinho
09-22-2004, 12:22 PM
heyz

http://clientes.netvisao.pt/npa1987/ximamaxhtt.jpg

with 5x multi PC don´t boot (error "Detecting array")

p4z1f1st
09-22-2004, 12:38 PM
man...i think, i've got the worst Board ever produced by DFI....it even won't make a HTT of 300MHz !!!!

i even set EVERYTHING @ timings on AUTO except of the divider (1/2)....FSB set @ 300MHz with 1/2-divider = DRAM-frequency of 150MHz....

mutli set @ 6.....i even won't boot-up clear.....it craps out at the drive-detection-screen in the beginning and hangs up.....

what to do? :(

Zeus
09-22-2004, 12:42 PM
man...i think, i've got the worst Board ever produced by DFI....it even won't make a HTT of 300MHz !!!!

i even set EVERYTHING @ timings on AUTO except of the divider (1/2)....FSB set @ 300MHz with 1/2-divider = DRAM-frequency of 150MHz....

mutli set @ 6.....i even won't boot-up clear.....it craps out at the drive-detection-screen in the beginning and hangs up.....

what to do? :(

Get yourself a ClawHammer. :D
All 400+ results are ClawHammers.

Ubermann
09-22-2004, 12:49 PM
Do you run "command per clock" disable ?

Enabled and you get real good bandwidth but very unstable over 300FSB.
Disabled and you can run pretty much anything out of this world.
I noticed (maybe already posted here)
With 2T you can run Drive strength level 4
With 1T you must run level 1 (max 2)

Correct me if im wrong about this plz.

p4z1f1st
09-22-2004, 01:04 PM
hmm....kk, i only runned with 1T....

so, ubermann, i'm running always with level4....thought, it would be the "relaxed" of all 4 options.... :confused:

hmm...kk, i'll try again....

p4z1f1st
09-22-2004, 01:44 PM
ok, i give ti up.....i tried everything, but it just hangs up in the same screen (drive-detection-screen)......

so, then i tried to drive my EBs with CPC-off qith 270MHz @ memtest.....hangs up.....now i really don't know, what me holding back....my CPU? my board? my RAM?

it just CAN'T BE, that all 3 items have they limit at the same point!

it just CAN'T BE! what for a fu*king random that has to be?!?! :mad:

now i'm getting frustated :(

just don't know, what's holding back :(

Ubermann
09-22-2004, 01:52 PM
Can it be SATA ?
I use IDE and so does ugp and zeus from what i can see.

p4z1f1st
09-22-2004, 02:03 PM
hmmmm........could it be?

...oh man, damn it all :mad: :( :stick: :(

@ bigtoe: did/do you use IDE or sATA? (what drive did you use for the 425MHz-HTT-record?)

spaceman
09-22-2004, 04:20 PM
I see a drive detection screen sometimes, after making changes in the BIOS. Just let it go a minute, and it'll hit the normal boot screen. ;)

ugp
09-22-2004, 05:20 PM
I shall try some new settings and see what I get and then I will post back

And yes I have an IDE drive... I want two new SATA in a RAID 0

spaceman
09-22-2004, 07:24 PM
Welp, I swapped out the mobile 3000+ for the DTR 3200+. I can get good clocks with low temps, but it takes a lot of voltage. I'm using 1.613v, I think, (fluctuates in CPUZ) for 2.5 GHz., and the chips only 27C. :cool: I about had 2.6 GHz., but when I got to 1.7-something, I chickened out, lol. :p: What do you guys think, should I play it safe, and call 2.5 good, or go for it, since the temps are good? This is just good air BTW, no vapo or prommie. :(

ugp
09-22-2004, 07:29 PM
That isn't that high of voltage. On air it isn't recommend to go any higher than v1.8. That temp is very good, I would go for it man. I would give anything to hit 2.5GHz right now. What settings where you using and what memory do you have?

spaceman
09-22-2004, 07:37 PM
Usin' 2x512s of Mushkin LII 3500, @ 5-2-2-2-1t. I've had the RAM to 240 @ 3.3v, but the chip does much better using the 5/6 divider. Kinda of a trade off, @250 5/6, the RAM's only doing 208. If they recommend 1.8v tops, then it's probly good for 1.9v or 2.0v, dontcha think? :D ;)

jess1313
09-22-2004, 08:34 PM
Welp, I swapped out the mobile 3000+ for the DTR 3200+. I can get good clocks with low temps, but it takes a lot of voltage. I'm using 1.613v, I think, (fluctuates in CPUZ) for 2.5 GHz., and the chips only 27C. :cool: I about had 2.6 GHz., but when I got to 1.7-something, I chickened out, lol. :p: What do you guys think, should I play it safe, and call 2.5 good, or go for it, since the temps are good? This is just good air BTW, no vapo or prommie. :(


Go for it. I am setting on 2550 Prime stable with 1.85v with bad air. I know she will go 26xx with some cooling. The DTRs have turned out to be my best clockers & I have mobils,desktops both N/C & C/H , & DTRs. All are 3200 CGs Except the N/C 3400. The DTRs are the only 1m CPU I can get over 2500 Stable with my cooling. I have made it to windows at 27xx. Love to atleast have some water on it. My 3400 N/C only goes 2580 prime stable.

Jess1313

spaceman
09-22-2004, 08:46 PM
Welp, 2600 MHz. won't happen here, I even got nutty enough to try 1.968vcore. :eek: However, I got 2550 MHz. 3DMarkable, and broke 29k!! Enough for the bottom of the 1st page if you type in Athlon & XT PE. :D http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8135079 Doin' it with 1.65vcore @ 26C in the BIOS. :p: ;)

Tony
09-22-2004, 09:43 PM
I used an IDE HDD for the 425 run and have used an SATA HDD on my retail board and hit 425HTT again...thing is both boards won't do 1HTT more for me as they are stock with good air cooling.

Tedinde
09-22-2004, 09:59 PM
I'll be finally joining in on this DFI fun tomorrow. GameVe, shipped monday, I ordered 3 of the 754 250gb boards. Finally they will be here and more memory volts!!!

eva2000
09-22-2004, 10:00 PM
try "100 1/2" the first option
k used 1:2 divider with 1x 512MB Kingston KHX3200/512 BH-5 week 27, 2003 stick of ram @ 2-2-2-6 1T and managed with AMD64 3400+ Newcastle 372HTT with LDT at AUTO and rest of mem settings at AUTO

sandra reports AUTO LDT set it as 2.5x LDT so 930mhz hypertransport speed :)

Flox
09-22-2004, 10:15 PM
k used 1:2 divider with 1x 512MB Kingston KHX3200/512 BH-5 week 27, 2003 stick of ram @ 2-2-2-6 1T and managed with AMD64 3400+ Newcastle 372HTT with LDT at AUTO and rest of mem settings at AUTO

sandra reports AUTO LDT set it as 2.5x LDT so 930mhz hypertransport speed :)

Nice numbers, but just numbers. No real benefit from these settings.

I´d be impressed by high "1:1"-results, but 372MHz reference-clock (what lot of people incorrectly refer to as "HTT") gives you nothing, when you clock down your RAM and get "normal" HTT-speeds with x2 or x2.5 multipliers.

Greetz, Flox

eva2000
09-22-2004, 11:00 PM
yeah i know 1:1 is where it's at even with 372HTT 2:3 divider with ram at 248mhz 2-2-2-6 - memtest86+ reports bandwidth as 1710MB/s versus 245mhz 2-2-2-6 1:1 memtest86+ reports 1739MB/s

zyx
09-22-2004, 11:07 PM
427 htt :slobber: :slobber:

p4z1f1st
09-22-2004, 11:59 PM
I used an IDE HDD for the 425 run and have used an SATA HDD on my retail board and hit 425HTT again...thing is both boards won't do 1HTT more for me as they are stock with good air cooling.

ok, now i don't know what to do :(

Bourch
09-23-2004, 12:46 AM
I used an IDE HDD for the 425 run and have used an SATA HDD on my retail board and hit 425HTT again...thing is both boards won't do 1HTT more for me as they are stock with good air cooling.

OSKAR_WU posted something about problems with high FSB and SATA.
I´m not sure if the problem was with the 1 & 2 SATA or 3 & 4. Someone wrote It was only with 2 of them but I'm not sure wich ones and I can't find that post anymore.

What SATA port did you use?
I'm running on ports 3&4 without problems but I'm only running 250 FSB (I think my problem is mye ram) If I buy some 3500EB I´ll go for higher FSB so I want to be sure I'm on the correct ports.

eva2000
09-23-2004, 12:59 AM
SATA will always lower your max oc'ing potential.. hence PATA is the way :)

Kunaak
09-23-2004, 01:16 AM
jesus... the results from this board are just incredible.

p4z1f1st
09-23-2004, 01:53 AM
SATA will always lower your max oc'ing potential.. hence PATA is the way :)


grrrr....so, turn-around to pATA again -_-

Zeus
09-23-2004, 02:37 AM
grrrr....so, turn-around to pATA again -_-

No, just use sata port 3&4, that's all.

p4z1f1st
09-23-2004, 02:59 AM
i'm using port#3 all the time -_-

@ all sATA-user: do u all use port #3/#4 too and get high HTT-clocks?

andL64
09-23-2004, 03:43 AM
so... p4z1f1st im sry for this it cant be !
check port 1 or check it out to use an ide hdd to test....

i ve ordered my board till 2 weeks it should be shipped since 1 week but didnt came to me still now O_o i want it now! ! ! argh!

so "r" there now really high newcastle clocks it seems to me that the ch come better with this board but is it still a disadvantage to get a newcastle i only got a clawhammer here which does 2,4 instabile (:banana::banana::banana::banana:ty vcore issue) with 1,8 (1,728-1,84) modded bios on kda3+

maybe i could get higher with this dfi ;) and stable vcore but u guys "r" really crazy how could ya run with 1,8-1,9V on air? i get high temps with my water rig under load on 1,8-1,84 sooo i cant believe this with air.... should get over 65degreeC

hope my board comes tomorrow i wouldnt wait any longer soo PLZ!!!!!

BTW... i also get msiRX9800 on 513/407 for benching with very littl artifacts and still no on 500/396 :) i m very happy thx @ hell-fire and funktional again for helping with the vgpu mod :D

seEn andL

p4z1f1st
09-23-2004, 04:06 AM
hm, so....

i meantioned that the boot-screen shows me following, while i always deactivated sATA-port 1&2

external phy - port3: *name-of-my-plate*
external phy - port4: *empty*

so i thoght "hm, maybe the fuc*ing board sets all sATA-ports to the marvel-chip, when i deactivate 2 of them"

so, i activated them and then it showed:

external phy - port1: *empty*
external phy - port2: *empty*

internal phy - port3: *name-of-my-plate*
internal phy - port4: *empty*

so, i tried FSB 1:1 266MHz (260MHz is my maximum) with test#5 @ memtest....but it hanged up (like everytime >260MHz) after 32sec.....now i really get fuc*ed up! :mad:

i think, i'll get a pATA-hdd from my friend and try via pATA :mad:

andL64
09-23-2004, 04:19 AM
also u tried async. memory and all dividers also 0.5 and raise cpu core/volt settings changing sata ports also all this tweaks in bios what ya could set and with any other tools where u could set something u tried em all?

maybe something limits ur oc and it isnt the board ?! (ram cpu dont know...)

also is there somebody who could post high htt clocks and so on with a newcastle?

seEN andL

PS: has anybody ordered the dfi from oc-wear in germany from outside it => how long did ya wait for?!

eva2000
09-23-2004, 04:20 AM
also u tried async. memory and all dividers also 0.5 and raise cpu core/volt settings changing sata ports also all this tweaks in bios what ya could set and with any other tools where u could set something u tried em all?

maybe something limits ur oc and it isnt the board ?! (ram cpu dont know...)

also is there somebody who could post high htt clocks and so on with a newcastle?

seEN andL
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=546403#post546403 :)

andL64
09-23-2004, 04:22 AM
oj ;) i read that shortly b4 ;) sry mate didnt recognize u got a nc :D

p4z1f1st
09-23-2004, 06:20 AM
guys, do u all have enabled both sATA-controller?

or are here guys, who disabled port #1&#2 like me and got high HTTs?

now i'm pis*ed of, by setting all the time the cmos-clear-jumper....so, first i've to get down and then maybe i'll try it again....

ugp
09-23-2004, 06:39 AM
So from what I am reading you have to use SATA ports 3+4 if you want to clock high on the HTT? Is there any performance difference with them on 3+4 in a RAID 0 over them on 1+2?

eva2000
09-23-2004, 06:52 AM
folks using BH-5/6 at >260mhz 2-2-2-6 speeds what are you setting the other mem timings for

Trc
Trfc
Trrd
Twr
Twtr
Trtw
Refresh Period
Write CAS Latency

and ones further below them

???

please share :)

ugp
09-23-2004, 07:08 AM
Just play with them and see what works....test one at a time...best way to do it if you don't know what they do.

Ubermann
09-23-2004, 07:12 AM
Use the A64 tweaker and change one and one and run sandra/pi between changes. Take screenshots ones and awhile when getting higher score.
Seem to be easiest.

Wish there was a save/load settings on A64 tweaker.

ugp
09-23-2004, 07:14 AM
Where do you get that program from? I want to try that out.

*EDIT* Nevermind I found it. Google is a wonderful tool :p:

eva2000
09-23-2004, 07:23 AM
Use the A64 tweaker and change one and one and run sandra/pi between changes. Take screenshots ones and awhile when getting higher score.
Seem to be easiest.

Wish there was a save/load settings on A64 tweaker.
yeah that's good to test once you know fairly well what the mem max is.. but i'm trying to determine what if any of these settings would allow BH-5/6 to go that bit higher than normally would while still maintaining decent overall performance/bandwidth - just that little bit extra hehe

i.e. memtest86+ v1.26 bandwidth with 1x 256MB KHX3000K2/512 BH5 stick

auto unless overwised specificed

9x 260mhz 2-2-2-6 1T = 1757 MB/s
9x 267mhz 2-2-2-6 1T = 1805 Mb/s

9x 260mhz 2-2-2-6 1T 10-12-2-2-2-2 = 1865 MB/s
9x 260mhz 2-2-2-6 1T 9-12-2-2-2-2 = 1905 MB/s
9x 267mhz 2-2-2-6 1T 9-12-2-2-2-2 = 1956 MB/s

RansoM
09-23-2004, 08:52 AM
eva2000 keep up the good work! Post what gives you the best results.
I`ll get the board on saturday and I`m goning to pair it up with 2x256MB BH-5 and 2x512MB Ballistix.
This will be my first A64 board, and I just know I`m going to love it! :D

ugp
09-23-2004, 08:56 AM
Man oh man I got too many things I want to test and tweak. There is too much and so little time I have to do it. Why can't I just sit at home all day? lol Work sucks!

p4z1f1st
09-23-2004, 10:58 AM
hm guys, could u tell me, which DRAM-Slots u use?

btw. i got a pATA-HDD from a friend and it didn't help.....so, now i've to get a new A64 somehow, to see, if it's the CPU, which can't handle the high HTT-clock

because, the lowest HTT on the new DFI I've seen here, was around 320MHz....so, i'm not really sure if it's my DFI....

Zeus
09-23-2004, 11:14 AM
hm guys, could u tell me, which DRAM-Slots u use?

btw. i got a pATA-HDD from a friend and it didn't help.....so, now i've to get a new A64 somehow, to see, if it's the CPU, which can't handle the high HTT-clock

because, the lowest HTT on the new DFI I've seen here, was around 320MHz....so, i'm not really sure if it's my DFI....

I'm using 1&3 but it doesn't matter, just put the RAM out of the way by using the 1/2 divider.

Don't bother with ClockGen, just go into bios, select this divider, set multi to 5x and set your HTT to somewhere around 350.

Leave everything else on auto.

Press F10 and enter.

What does it do?

p4z1f1st
09-23-2004, 11:28 AM
just, before i have again to set my cmos-clear-jumper - why press F10?

does the DFI has a secret-option-menu like some Gigabyte-boards? :confused:

Zeus
09-23-2004, 11:53 AM
No F10 is to save and exit. :)

Went a little bit higher on HTT, not stable but great numbers. :banana:

Torin
09-23-2004, 11:59 AM
F10 is save and exit.

Flox
09-23-2004, 12:12 PM
427 htt :slobber: :slobber:

So what? http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Perhaps I´m too dumb, but I don´t get it why people start to get crazy due to high numbers of the reference clock...as long as you don´t have ultra-high RAM-clocks or CPU-speeds, it gives no practical result...

Greetz, Flox

Bourch
09-23-2004, 12:39 PM
My temp reading problem is now fixed! :stick:
Since my last reboot the readings are ok but I don't understand why :confused:
I flashed the bios as soon as I started using this board and it dind't fix it.
I've been testing different speed and voltages these weeks and always 72º
Now it reads 51-53 running prime!

Did someone's DFI do the same?

spaceman
09-23-2004, 12:41 PM
Well, finished modding my vid completely. Using an Alpha heatsink & a slower Delta 80mm fan, @ 1.52v, I get 560/580 very stable, and temps stay under 50, usually at 46/38. :cool: Next up, I'm gonna kick up my 3.3v rail more, and find out how high I can really go 1/1. :D

Rudzer
09-23-2004, 01:43 PM
Any of you people use a DVDRW burner with the board, cause it seems that it doesn't like the one I have (tho it works ok).

Everytime I try to use (and belive me I tried everything possible and imaginable) the pc gets lagged and delayed when working with things related to it.

I have a Pioneer A106D btw.

So if you have a dvd burner with the dfi please post what burner is, if you have any problems and what is the average time of loading windows (and if you notice the same I have with my drive)

Help is very appreciatted.

peace

SunTzu69
09-23-2004, 02:53 PM
So what? http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Perhaps I´m too dumb, but I don´t get it why people start to get crazy due to high numbers of the reference clock...as long as you don´t have ultra-high RAM-clocks or CPU-speeds, it gives no practical result...

Greetz, Flox

People put ground FX kits on their cars, although it gives no practical result.

It's all about fun, a hobby, something to chat about. It's also about testing how well-built this board really is, and what it COULD take if it existed. I can't wait to have some fun with mine...

jess1313
09-23-2004, 03:35 PM
My temp reading problem is now fixed! :stick:
Since my last reboot the readings are ok but I don't understand why :confused:
I flashed the bios as soon as I started using this board and it dind't fix it.
I've been testing different speed and voltages these weeks and always 72º
Now it reads 51-53 running prime!

Did someone's DFI do the same?


I have incountered the voltages not setting when you leave bios. Any time you change bios come out and go back in to let it finish changing settings. With this happening you need to pay attention when testing because you can think you change something & it didnt do it, there forth letting you think what you changed didnt do anything.


Jess1313

ugp
09-23-2004, 05:11 PM
I am running one stick of 512 in DIMM3. I haven't even bothered to try any other DIMM Slots at all.

ugp
09-23-2004, 07:16 PM
Here I got 400x6.0 with my friends memory so I know it is my RAM because I can't load into windows at the same settinsg or any other settings with my RAM.

spaceman
09-23-2004, 07:20 PM
Heh, anyone else runnin' their BH-5 at CAS 1.5 yet? :D Oh yeah, the 9/10 divider is your friend. I have both workin' here just fine. You don't lose as much mem bandwidth, but can still get the same CPU speed as 5/6, at least the settings I'm using. I coulda swore someone said 9/10 didn't work. :confused: :stick:

jess1313
09-23-2004, 08:28 PM
Here I got 400x6.0 with my friends memory so I know it is my RAM because I can't load into windows at the same settinsg or any other settings with my RAM.

Hey was that the same kinda ram you swaped. I havnt been able to get above 346HTT yet. Not that I really need to but just for the fun I would like to get her up there..... Its strange I just figured I havnt hit the combo yet for it to take off. I have more mem I will see what it will do.


Just wandering what do you have all the mem settings on for that run.


Jess1313

Zeus
09-23-2004, 09:54 PM
6x HTT, no problem! :D

gouda96
09-23-2004, 10:48 PM
Nice job Zeus. Is that air cooling? That's a nice clock speed regardless of htt.

Flox
09-24-2004, 12:17 AM
People put ground FX kits on their cars, although it gives no practical result...

Bad comparison...because a styled car has better (at least in the eyes of the owner) looks and you have the chance to impress some chicks.

427MHz reference-clock (don´t like to call it "HTT") is more like having a 1.000.000 dollar monopoly-bank-note...high number, but you can´t buy you anything from it.

Show me a CPU that can handle 427MHz ref-clock at full multi.

Show me memory-sticks, that can handle DDR800+.

So after all...just a high number, not even something to impress chicks...

Greetz, Flox

Ubermann
09-24-2004, 12:49 AM
Bad comparison...because a styled car has better (at least in the eyes of the owner) looks and you have the chance to impress some chicks.

427MHz reference-clock (don´t like to call it "HTT") is more like having a 1.000.000 dollar monopoly-bank-note...high number, but you can´t buy you anything from it.

Show me a CPU that can handle 427MHz ref-clock at full multi.

Show me memory-sticks, that can handle DDR800+.

So after all...just a high number, not even something to impress chicks...

Greetz, Flox

We already know its pointless.
But as we said before, its fun and a little "contest" everyone can try no matter what ram you have =)

(I dont think any girl will get impressed with a ram running DDR800+ either =)

SunTzu69
09-24-2004, 03:45 AM
Bad comparison...because a styled car has better (at least in the eyes of the owner) looks and you have the chance to impress some chicks.

Guess it depends on what kind of chicks you think are worth meeting... :rolleyes:

Anyways.. my point is that it's a hobby.. a common interest...a challenge.

Flox
09-24-2004, 04:04 AM
Guess it depends on what kind of chicks you think are worth meeting... :rolleyes:

Anyways.. my point is that it's a hobby.. a common interest...a challenge.

I know what´s your point...but you don´t get mine.

The big advantage of the DFI-mobo are the possible voltages for those, who don´t want to mod their board.

And if someone gets his A64 to 3.2GHz with 320MHz*10 and "1:1" RAM-clocks, I´d be totally impressed.

But the reference-clock says nothing about CPU speed, HTT- (or what you call LDT) clocks and memory-speeds...so I can´t understand the excitement about these numbers.

It could reach 500MHz and would give you nothing more than a reference to get your CPU- and HTT-clocks with certain multipliers.

Greetz, Flox

Zeus
09-24-2004, 04:07 AM
Nice job Zeus. Is that air cooling? That's a nice clock speed regardless of htt.

Nope that's watercooled with an RBX. thanks anyway.

Flox, don't make such a big deal out of it, it's just numbers, nothing more nothing less mate, just for fun. ;)

I agree with ya it has nothing to do with performance.
You're gonna have to wait untill i get my new RAM for some nice 1:1 action.

It's nice to see how far one can push these boards, isn't it?

andL64
09-24-2004, 04:22 AM
anyone tested the samsung TCCD chips as a data ddr600 on this board? should be very impressive :)

ugp
09-24-2004, 04:51 AM
Hey was that the same kinda ram you swaped. I havnt been able to get above 346HTT yet. Not that I really need to but just for the fun I would like to get her up there..... Its strange I just figured I havnt hit the combo yet for it to take off. I have more mem I will see what it will do.


Just wandering what do you have all the mem settings on for that run.


Jess1313
Not it was this memory... http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42451
That is my friends memory I had in the system. It appeared to be stable but was only 256MB DDR

ugp
09-24-2004, 04:52 AM
At 400x6.0 my CPU idled at 35C. It doesn't run very hot and my chipset stayed at 30C just like it does stock.

eva2000
09-24-2004, 05:16 AM
Okay guys where and how do you measure the vdimm on this board ? I'm using OCZ DDR Booster and as OPP pointed out this DFI board won't boot up/reboot at >3.6v vdimm via Booster so you need to dial down vdimm <3.6v to boot up/reboot then dial back up past 3.6v! Such a pain :(

Anyone know why it does this ? or how to get around it permanently ?

mad mikee
09-24-2004, 05:35 AM
anyone tested the samsung TCCD chips as a data ddr600 on this board? should be very impressive :)

2x.5G PQI turbo, first test were up to 290 single stick and 270+ for both (memtest #5) and had to tweak the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of it. Course it still needs some hot (burn-in) luvin. :flame:
(/me remembers to confirm upper volts allowed (3.5+?))

Begins to get warm at 280/3.1 Volts.

NPinho
09-24-2004, 05:36 AM
Anyone know where is the vcore/vdimm read point?

LowRun
09-24-2004, 06:05 AM
2x.5G PQI turbo, first test were up to 290 single stick and 270+ for both (memtest #5) and had to tweak the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of it. Course it still needs some hot (burn-in) luvin. :flame:
(/me remembers to confirm upper volts allowed (3.5+?))

Begins to get warm at 280/3.1 Volts.

Timings?

Zeus
09-24-2004, 06:48 AM
Okay guys where and how do you measure the vdimm on this board ? I'm using OCZ DDR Booster and as OPP pointed out this DFI board won't boot up/reboot at >3.6v vdimm via Booster so you need to dial down vdimm <3.6v to boot up/reboot then dial back up past 3.6v! Such a pain :(

Anyone know why it does this ? or how to get around it permanently ?

How about using smartguardian?
It displays Vdimm.
It's on the CD that comes with the board. :)

SunTzu69
09-24-2004, 07:14 AM
I know what´s your point...but you don´t get mine.

The big advantage of the DFI-mobo are the possible voltages for those, who don´t want to mod their board.

And if someone gets his A64 to 3.2GHz with 320MHz*10 and "1:1" RAM-clocks, I´d be totally impressed.

But the reference-clock says nothing about CPU speed, HTT- (or what you call LDT) clocks and memory-speeds...so I can´t understand the excitement about these numbers.

It could reach 500MHz and would give you nothing more than a reference to get your CPU- and HTT-clocks with certain multipliers.

Greetz, Flox

I understand your point. I guess I'd just refer you to your sig and replace the word "Physics" with "HTT". :D

eva2000
09-24-2004, 07:36 AM
How about using smartguardian?
It displays Vdimm.
It's on the CD that comes with the board. :)
yeah but that under reports vdimm in windows... and i test in memtest86+ v1.26 first before booting into windows heh

p4z1f1st
09-24-2004, 07:59 AM
I'm using 1&3 but it doesn't matter, just put the RAM out of the way by using the 1/2 divider.

Don't bother with ClockGen, just go into bios, select this divider, set multi to 5x and set your HTT to somewhere around 350.

Leave everything else on auto.

Press F10 and enter.

What does it do?


i came, i saw, and it didn't boot....

BiKEKiNG
09-24-2004, 08:59 AM
HI
mi Englisg are poor
i have lan party nf3 ut 250gB
AND....
have athlon64 2800+ Newcastle
my HTT only stable at 240 mhz,
my memos --> Corsair XMS3200c2
PSU buttferfly 480 watts

try to overclock but worst results
anyone can help me?

WeStSiDePLaYa
09-24-2004, 09:22 AM
i would say get a stronger psu. i had that POS and it was terrible. the 12v line would drop under load like .5v. and that was only running a 2400xp, infinity,fx5200 and one hdd. id say get a quality psu.

Zeus
09-24-2004, 10:20 AM
i came, i saw, and it didn't boot....

Do you get the "detecting array" message or is it no post at all?

G H Z
09-24-2004, 10:28 AM
Okay guys where and how do you measure the vdimm on this board ? I'm using OCZ DDR Booster and as OPP pointed out this DFI board won't boot up/reboot at >3.6v vdimm via Booster so you need to dial down vdimm <3.6v to boot up/reboot then dial back up past 3.6v! Such a pain :(

Anyone know why it does this ? or how to get around it permanently ?

Why do you need the Booster if the Beta BIOS supposedly will go 4.0v with a 3.3 rail mod?


And if someone gets his A64 to 3.2GHz with 320MHz*10 and "1:1" RAM-clocks, I´d be totally impressed.


They're not trying to impress you. There are plenty of high power A64 that do not run 1:1. And aside from that, learing about your board/chip capabilities is a good thing. It's called testing, maybe you should try some.

chunkylover77
09-24-2004, 10:29 AM
Do you get the "detecting array" message or is it no post at all?
I get that message whenever I try and go above 209

p4z1f1st
09-24-2004, 10:49 AM
Do you get the "detecting array" message or is it no post at all?

always no boot.....

Ubermann
09-24-2004, 11:21 AM
Ehehe finished a Superpi at 340FSB 1:1 with bad result.
But it worked =)

*Edit added one with better timings and 294FSB *

GreyBeard
09-24-2004, 11:28 AM
Ehehe finished a Superpi at 340FSB 1:1 with bad result.
But it worked =)
Nice going - maybe Flox will be happy with the 1:1 part. :toast:

Little hard to read the text on your attachment, but the timings look a little loose. ;)

Ubermann
09-24-2004, 11:40 AM
Nice going - maybe Flox will be happy with the 1:1 part. :toast:

Little hard to read the text on your attachment, but the timings look a little loose. ;)

A little ? They are very loose (3-4-4-8) and its T2.
But funny =)

(floxs girls coming to me now tihihihi)

Zeus
09-24-2004, 11:44 AM
but the timings look a little loose. ;)

Might be, but hey, it's running 340!! :slobber:
I wouldn't mind running loose timings at 340, it still gives enough bandwidth for 2 computers! :D

Now let's hope it's enough to satisfy Flox. :D

Nice going Uber! :toast:

Ubermann
09-24-2004, 01:38 PM
A bug ?
If i put anything else then "1" at Write cas latency in bios it wont boot, and i have to reset cmos.
Looking at bigtoes bios suggestion for running this ram stable at 600 wont work on this comp.
Tried beta and "release" bios.

G H Z
09-24-2004, 04:04 PM
Ehehe finished a Superpi at 340FSB 1:1 with bad result.
But it worked =)

*Edit added one with better timings and 294FSB *

Was 294 still @2T?

ugp
09-24-2004, 07:40 PM
What is the 2T setting? What is the performance difference. But what I read is you should enable it only if you have a CG stepping 64-Bit. Can someone enlighten me on this setting?

jess1313
09-24-2004, 07:47 PM
What is the 2T setting? What is the performance difference. But what I read is you should enable it only if you have a CG stepping 64-Bit. Can someone enlighten me on this setting?

CPC=enable(1t) or Disable(2t) 2t is slower clock per clock, but in alot of cases allows for greater overclock. usually using 1t can be a real hold up when OCing 2x512 modules(but some have had succeded with 2x512+1t)

it also greatly reduces bandwith effecency on A64

if you have a CO rev CPU you may only use CPC enable(1T) because a CO's memory controller doesnt support CPC disable(2T).

If you have a CG rev CPU you may use either 1t or 2t. :cool:

-Jess-

Ubermann
09-25-2004, 01:15 AM
294 is with 1T
2T sucks big time =)

Zeus
09-25-2004, 08:26 AM
Uber, what's the max stable with your OCZ plat.rev2 with 1T?
With stable i mean SuperPi 1M or PiFast stable.

I'm gonna get me some and hope to run 315x8 1:1 3-4-4-10 timings. :cool:

mad mikee
09-25-2004, 08:54 AM
A bug ?
If i put anything else then "1" at Write cas latency in bios it wont boot, and i have to reset cmos.
Looking at bigtoes bios suggestion for running this ram stable at 600 wont work on this comp.
Tried beta and "release" bios.

Same here. I got some more testing and stuff to do but if anyone gets a chance, please put in bug forum of DFI-street :D
Thanks mikee (going back to making memory sinks for EB-3700 and TCCD)

Got 250 x 10 @ 3.1 Vdimm in memtest all day. (BH-5 2-2-2-6), got some settings to lay out later....

Ubermann
09-25-2004, 09:30 AM
It works with setting it to "auto" or "1".
Sitting and doing prime, really boring but im currently able to boot windows with 310FSB 6multi , CPC on and Cas 2.5 and 4837m/sec with sandra.
Only changing 1 setting every boot now, think i booted windows 200 times with this board already.

impu|se
09-25-2004, 11:34 AM
Just a quick question on this motherboard. I just received mine. I read in a few posts back they dfi was delaying the mobo a bit to add better components. Im not sure if it said anything in particular about capacitors, but I was wondering if they replaced caps. Mine has generic caps all around the socket. Did DFI issue a new board with rubicon caps? Thanks, cant wait to get to the fun

jess1313
09-25-2004, 09:26 PM
KGZ - chemi-cons. Thats what they are & there better or as good than rubicons ( atleast I was told they where). This is whats on my board anyway. If yours is diff let us know. You have to look real close to see the markings.


Jess1313

Ubermann
09-26-2004, 02:06 AM
Same here. I got some more testing and stuff to do but if anyone gets a chance, please put in bug forum of DFI-street :D
Thanks mikee (going back to making memory sinks for EB-3700 and TCCD)

Got 250 x 10 @ 3.1 Vdimm in memtest all day. (BH-5 2-2-2-6), got some settings to lay out later....

Somthing more i figured out, Dram drive strenght and Write cas latency has something to do with each other.
If they are set at some setting you get dectecting drive array.
But what that setting is i dont really know yet.
Like level 2 drive and write cas 1 wont boot.
Anyone know anything about this ?

Ubermann
09-26-2004, 03:16 AM
Dont remember if 5x multi put autodivider.
CPC Off
3-4-4 timings
Dram 3.1V
360FSB 1:1
Stable enought for running paint.exe =)

Zeus
09-26-2004, 03:45 AM
Wow Uber, that's really sick! :slobber:
If you can take a screenie @360, you should be able to run benches @ at least 340, no?

Ubermann
09-26-2004, 04:10 AM
I think so but its CPC off so benches sux.

SoundWave
09-26-2004, 04:41 AM
Will the board be able to handle 3x512MB Crucial Ballistix at DDR400 or will they run DDR333 like most other boards?

eva2000
09-26-2004, 05:06 AM
forgot to add my highest HTT speed achieved hehe

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/6x/372-248-2226-1T-1.5-3.46-1.5-1.7/cpuz.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/6x/372-248-2226-1T-1.5-3.46-1.5-1.7/mem-buff.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200/1x512/2/LDT_AUTO/6x/372-248-2226-1T-1.5-3.46-1.5-1.7/pifast.jpg

any higher than 372HTT won't boot pc

saaya
09-26-2004, 05:09 AM
heheh :D

nice george :toast:

what was the highest 1:1 you could get?

eva2000
09-26-2004, 05:15 AM
with 2-2-2-6 timings best 1:1 is 270mhz at 3.52-3.56v

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Corsair/XMS3500C2/256/1x256/0033026_30811604/LDT_AUTO/9x/270-270-2226-1T-8-13-2211-4x-4x-1.525-3.56-1.8/superpi-32m.jpg

:D

i'll try some other ram i have to see what more loose timings do :)

Dissolved
09-26-2004, 08:46 AM
pretty nice eva.. MY EB does 265 2.5-2-2-0 1:1 i have a bh-5 stick i need to test altho..

Whats the highest 3v you guys run? i have a ocz 520w, and it goes from like 3.4 to 3.7 with a Slight touch..

Klisp
09-26-2004, 09:05 AM
Hey guys i'm trying to figure out what to set the tref at in the bios. What would this be in the bios ?

eva2000
09-26-2004, 09:06 AM
Hey guys i'm trying to figure out what to set the tref at in the bios. What would this be in the bios ?

just leave it alone ;)

kakaroto
09-26-2004, 09:16 AM
EVA2000: What is your secret reaching 372MHZ :slobber: with a NC.

What are your settings in the bios??

This is my max. (HTT=AUTO) 1/2 devider.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/A64_3400/DFI/320MHz_HTT.JPG

Fosco
09-26-2004, 11:47 AM
Is ther many that has prob running this board whit EB memory?

Whit my PC3700 EB stick it only bootes 1 og 10 times.

Have to clear cmos often and start the board whit a pc2100 twinmos chip.

andL64
09-26-2004, 12:54 PM
Is ther many that has prob running this board whit EB memory?

Whit my PC3700 EB stick it only bootes 1 og 10 times.

Have to clear cmos often and start the board whit a pc2100 twinmos chip.


have u tried the latest bios or the beta one?

chunkylover77
09-26-2004, 01:51 PM
Has anyone used an aftermarket chipset cooler on this board with a 6800 ultra? It looks to me like the ultra overhangs the chipset too much.

ugp
09-26-2004, 03:31 PM
I can't hit 2.4 stable no matter what I do. I hit it stable with my friends GEIL memory. But with my RAM which is Infineon PC3200 512 I can not no matter what settings I do and how much voltage I run to it. I always end up getting a memory dump error. I am trying this with only one stick in as well.

And to ask another thing. What does it mean when you get the "Detecting Array" message? I know it doesn't like the setting when that comes up but does anyone know why exactly it comes up?

*EDIT* Has anyone figured out settings for MBM or do they know of any support for it that is coming soon? I do not like this program that came with it. MBM is the sh*t and I really want to use it on this board.

The Mofo
09-26-2004, 04:07 PM
Has anyone used an aftermarket chipset cooler on this board with a 6800 ultra? It looks to me like the ultra overhangs the chipset too much.

Yea, its a known prob. Youre going to have to go with a 1u chipset cooler or something with that long video card. You could use one of those copper iceberg thingies, its not very tall but it doesnt cool as good as the Swifty unit.

bldegle2
09-26-2004, 05:18 PM
"I can't hit 2.4 stable no matter what I do. I hit it stable with my friends GEIL memory. But with my RAM which is Infineon PC3200 512 I can not no matter what settings I do and how much voltage I run to it. I always end up getting a memory dump error. I am trying this with only one stick in as well."

"And to ask another thing. What does it mean when you get the "Detecting Array" message? I know it doesn't like the setting when that comes up but does anyone know why exactly it comes up?"

"*EDIT* Has anyone figured out settings for MBM or do they know of any support for it that is coming soon? I do not like this program that came with it. MBM is the sh*t and I really want to use it on this board."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

lets take them one at a time.

first, your problem is your ram obviously, so for you to get what you want, you need different ramski, plus each cpu clocks differently, although that 3200 should be getting 2400 easy, prolly some more in her..........

second, go into bios and start figuring some stuffs out, once you disable raid in the bios, it will go away.......shakes head, muttering.............

third, as far as MBM, big deal, the proggie that comes with the board works and gives some nice info, i am sure MBM will comes up with some changes, just hasn't happened yet, sorry to dissappoint you................but they will move at their own speed, not yours.

and to finish, i have had excellent results with my board, only problem so far is getting the OCZ ram booster to work properly.................sorry to hear of your problems, all of them are solvable......................

running 7.5x326, ram @244 (PC3500, BH-5 stuffs), this is with a 2800+ unit, and with the stock cooler so far.

baldy :D

ugp
09-26-2004, 05:33 PM
RAID is disabled...it does it when the CPU hangs up. And I have decided to order some OCZ EL Plat Rev. 2 RAM. Hoping when I get that it will recieve some pretty nice clocks. I am hoping to get atleast DDR550 with 512x2. But I have also hit 2.4 stable with a stick of a friends RAM. So that solves that lol Only thing that sucks is that I need to wait until my paycheck deposits in wednesday because I don't want my bank account to go too low. So until then I am stuck with this sh*ty memory lol

bldegle2
09-26-2004, 05:43 PM
"RAID is disabled...it does it when the CPU hangs up."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

in the post i replied to.

yes, it will show up when clocking and the board or whatever balks, it has happened with mine when really pushing everything to find limits.

baldy :cool:

spaceman
09-26-2004, 06:49 PM
Has anyone used an aftermarket chipset cooler on this board with a 6800 ultra? It looks to me like the ultra overhangs the chipset too much.
You could always put a CPU cooler on the vid card. I have an old Alpha cut down to fit my X800, and my Swifty NB cooler fits. You just wanna be careful puttin in the vid card, it is a close fit. ;)

PanaBob
09-26-2004, 07:03 PM
and to finish, i have had excellent results with my board, only problem so far is getting the OCZ ram booster to work properly

you can also download the modded BIOS, you can take it up to 4v supposedly if your rail can go that high . I'm running 3.4v in my BH-5, my PCP&C can adjust to 3.65v
:stick:

eva2000
09-26-2004, 07:13 PM
EVA2000: What is your secret reaching 372MHZ :slobber: with a NC.

What are your settings in the bios??

This is my max. (HTT=AUTO) 1/2 devider.


Bios settings were 1:2 divider ram at 2226 1T with LDT = AUTO and everything else AUTO with vdimm = 3.46v and chipset = 1.7v

it won't boot at 373HTT

btw for folks who seem to experience the boost screen hanging before drive detecting, all you need to do is press any keyboard once and it will quickly continue to boot :)

Tedinde
09-26-2004, 07:30 PM
I got 3 of the DFI boards 2 days ago. I just loaded them up last night. Im using my DDR booster on one of them 3.7v, my good BH5 PC3500 hyperx which maxes out @ 265 1:1 222 in every other board makes it to 275 in the dfi.

Where's the 4v dfi bios so i dont have to seach the hell out of this thread, Someone send it to me @ tedinde@xtremesystems.org if you would. Thanks in advance.

Im using my newcastle chip in it. and runs @# 350htt no problem.

Dissolved
09-26-2004, 07:36 PM
I got 3 of the DFI boards 2 days ago. I just loaded them up last night. Im using my DDR booster on one of them 3.7v, my good BH5 PC3500 hyperx which maxes out @ 265 1:1 222 in every other board makes it to 275 in the dfi.

Where's the 4v dfi bios so i dont have to seach the hell out of this thread, Someone send it to me @ tedinde@xtremesystems.org if you would. Thanks in advance.

Im using my newcastle chip in it. and runs @# 350htt no problem.


http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=328318

ugp
09-26-2004, 09:00 PM
Bios settings were 1:2 divider ram at 2226 1T with LDT = AUTO and everything else AUTO with vdimm = 3.46v and chipset = 1.7v

it won't boot at 373HTT

btw for folks who seem to experience the boost screen hanging before drive detecting, all you need to do is press any keyboard once and it will quickly continue to boot :)
Put your chipset back at v1.6, From my testing and what I am reading the board will sometimes not work with an overclock at higher voltage ratings. Put your CPU at v1.55 and that is fine as well if you haven't already done so. Although you do have a NC right? And it doesn't ever hang on my IDE drive detecting. It just sometimes shows the "Detecting Array".

Ubermann
09-26-2004, 09:55 PM
Hey guys i'm trying to figure out what to set the tref at in the bios. What would this be in the bios ?'

Try set it to 166 instead of 200.
Maked some hundred megs in sandra ones i checked it.
But this depends on speed and other settings in bios i guess.

eva2000
09-27-2004, 08:15 AM
Put your chipset back at v1.6, From my testing and what I am reading the board will sometimes not work with an overclock at higher voltage ratings. Put your CPU at v1.55 and that is fine as well if you haven't already done so. Although you do have a NC right? And it doesn't ever hang on my IDE drive detecting. It just sometimes shows the "Detecting Array".
nah no probs with vdd at 1.7-1.8v for me

check this out

@ 265mhz 3-3-2-8 at 2.8v with chipset = 1.6v
@ 270mhz 3-3-2-8 at 3.0v with chipset = 1.7v
@ 275mhz 3-3-2-8 at 3.1v with chipset = 1.7v
@ 280mhz 3-3-2-8 at 3.32v with chipset = 1.8v
@ 285mhz 3-3-2-8 at 3.43v with chipset = 1.8v

Holy crap look at this

AMD64 3400+ @ 9x 285 = 2565mhz at 1.525 + 10% vcore
DFI Lanparty UT NF3-250Gb 14/09/04 bios
1x 512MB OCZ PC3700EB @ 285mhz 3-3-2-8 1T at 3.43v via OCZ DDR Booster
120GB WD 1200JB
550W Antec TrueControl PSU

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/OCZ/PC3700EB/1x512/single/1/LDT_AUTO/9x/285-285-3328-1T-1.66-3.43-1.8_DS2/cpuz.jpg

Sandra 2004 PRO SP2b
Buffered = 4413 / 4412 (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/OCZ/PC3700EB/1x512/single/1/LDT_AUTO/9x/285-285-3328-1T-1.66-3.43-1.8_DS2/mem-buff_3328-11-13-2222_spd.jpg)
Unbuffered = 2591 / 2659 (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/OCZ/PC3700EB/1x512/single/1/LDT_AUTO/9x/285-285-3328-1T-1.66-3.43-1.8_DS2/mem-unbuff_3328-11-13-2222_spd.jpg)

Hexus Pifast = 47.94s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/OCZ/PC3700EB/1x512/single/1/LDT_AUTO/9x/285-285-3328-1T-1.66-3.43-1.8_DS2/pifast_3328-11-13-2222.jpg)

SuperPi
1M = 34s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/OCZ/PC3700EB/1x512/single/1/LDT_AUTO/9x/285-285-3328-1T-1.66-3.43-1.8_DS2/superpi-1m_11-13-2222.jpg)
2M = 1min 18s (http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/OCZ/PC3700EB/1x512/single/1/LDT_AUTO/9x/285-285-3328-1T-1.66-3.43-1.8_DS2/superpi-2m_11-13-2222.jpg)

Klisp
09-27-2004, 12:02 PM
Is there anyway i could improve on this so i could get a better benchmark scores? i'm scoring 30,155 in 3Dmark01, 74,000 in aquamark and 14,300 in 3Dmark03. Shouldn't i be getting more with these settings? The X800 is clocked at 594\579 stable. Here are some pics of the scores i'm getting:

G H Z
09-27-2004, 12:43 PM
Eva,

Can't you get that voltage without the booster and the Beta BIOS?

bldegle2
09-27-2004, 03:06 PM
"Can't you get that voltage without the booster and the Beta BIOS?"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

the PS on the 3.3 line. i have mine @3.6 via the internal pot (Sparkle 400w PS, pot will not adjust it any higher), gives me around 3.44/3.45 vdimm max with the beta bios.

if you want more, then a 3.3 line vr is needed to boost it even further, that, or run with the OCZ ram booster. i am having problems when i try to use my OCZ ram booster, it will increase the vdimm to whatever i want, but then it will not boot, set the dial to the lowest setting, bootage.

go figure, gotta find out if using a different vdimm slot will make a difference with the booster operation.

baldy :D

G H Z
09-27-2004, 03:17 PM
Thnx Baldy,

Finally got an answer on this:D How does your LII do @ that voltage on this board?

I think several people have only had success with one dimm running and the booster. Have you tried that yet?

I wonder what would happen if you had 3.45 coming via BIOS/PS mod, then added the booster.........4.5v here we come;)

Dissolved
09-27-2004, 04:45 PM
"Can't you get that voltage without the booster and the Beta BIOS?"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

the PS on the 3.3 line. i have mine @3.6 via the internal pot (Sparkle 400w PS, pot will not adjust it any higher), gives me around 3.44/3.45 vdimm max with the beta bios.

if you want more, then a 3.3 line vr is needed to boost it even further, that, or run with the OCZ ram booster. i am having problems when i try to use my OCZ ram booster, it will increase the vdimm to whatever i want, but then it will not boot, set the dial to the lowest setting, bootage.

go figure, gotta find out if using a different vdimm slot will make a difference with the booster operation.

baldy :D


i think if you set the ocz booster over 3.6v it wont boot.

eva2000
09-27-2004, 08:01 PM
Eva,

Can't you get that voltage without the booster and the Beta BIOS?
yeah i could but my 3.3v rail needs 0.24v above what vdimm is needed so 3.43v i need to set 3.3v rail to 3.67v.. anything more than 3.55v on 3.3v rail i'm uncomfortable with hehe

AllBrain
09-27-2004, 09:50 PM
I got my board last night. It is working like a charm and I have been able to get better overclocks all-round. I then flashed my bios with the new 9/12 beta. It is still 100% stable, but now my temps are way off. Any idea why? You are looking at a 10 degree difference between the stock bios and the beta bios. :(

TinTin
09-27-2004, 10:15 PM
I got my board last night. It is working like a charm and I have been able to get better overclocks all-round. I then flashed my bios with the new 9/12 beta. It is still 100% stable, but now my temps are way off. Any idea why? You are looking at a 10 degree difference between the stock bios and the beta bios. :(

Yes, the temperature is offset. Because some CPUs are reported with unexpected high temperature, most probably, Newcastle core. And when the temperature is detected to be too high, the performance will drop accordingly, I think it is CPU throttling. In the first BIOS (27/8/2004), if you disable the CPU throttling, the system will not boot, but it is fixed by the 912/914 BIOS already. So the BETA BIOS offsets the temperature to prevent this from happening. :D

AllBrain
09-27-2004, 10:21 PM
Thanks for the info TinTin. That is all and well, but sometimes my cpu temp will jump under load, to what I would expect. This makes reading your temp very difficult. The result is me not being able to use over 1.8 volts on my cpu. I never know when the temp is to high. Will there be a fix for this sometime in the future?

TinTin
09-27-2004, 10:33 PM
Thanks for the info TinTin. That is all and well, but sometimes my cpu temp will jump under load, to what I would expect. This makes reading your temp very difficult. The result is me not being able to use over 1.8 volts on my cpu. I never know when the temp is to high. Will there be a fix for this sometime in the future?

The temperature jumps drammatically under loads, I have a 3400+ NC too. It is difficult to monitor the temperature right now. With a clawhammer, it is now reported as 33deg.C, watercooled, room temperature 30deg.C. I also want a FIX for this issue instead of just a offset. DFI has known this issue already, hoping that the coming official BIOS will fix it. :)

Mrki
09-28-2004, 02:09 AM
hi

first only my english is not very good :(

i have became my board yesterday and i testing a lot but in superpi 1M i have very bad results ... for 10x260 2.5-2-2-6 and 1T i have only 35sec.
I think i must have more or its this ok?

greetz
http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/10x260.jpg

chickenrun
09-28-2004, 02:33 AM
Hi Mrki,

welcome to another harwareluxx member :)

chickenrun
09-28-2004, 02:37 AM
The temperature jumps drammatically under loads, I have a 3400+ NC too. It is difficult to monitor the temperature right now. With a clawhammer, it is now reported as 33deg.C, watercooled, room temperature 30deg.C. I also want a FIX for this issue instead of just a offset. DFI has known this issue already, hoping that the coming official BIOS will fix it. :)

Mine is way off too - 3200 Clawhammer, all sys temps are around 30, CPU is now reported as 24-26 aircooled :rolleyes: There is even no noticeable increase in case I run it with stock voltage or at 1.8v...

Btw, why would the temps be lowered by the beta bios to avoid thermal throttling if you can now disable it completely and boot anyway ???? Makes no sense to me...

Perc
09-28-2004, 02:38 AM
@Mrki

i agree your 1M scores look a tad bit low? i would of expected a beter score at 2600mhz 260HTT 1:1 then what your getting. im sure there are a few people in here that can tell you how to make the score get beter. other then that man "wow" thats a nice oc. you do that on air or you using xtreme cooling?

peace perc,

Kinsy
09-28-2004, 02:45 AM
Has anyone killed theirs yet? Because mine appears dead.

Look here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42780&goto=newpost)

Sheik
09-28-2004, 02:57 AM
Got mine on Friday. Put in in Mach2 last night. On first boot BIOS report temp as -7'C, but Smartguardian as 243'C :rolleyes: With first overclock my CPU is sitting at 240x11 (1.6 vcore) OCZ EB @ 240 MHz 3-3-2-10 1T 2.8V (2x512 MB) ... so it's a good start. I am loving this mobo :D

Mrki
09-28-2004, 03:18 AM
@Mrki

i agree your 1M scores look a tad bit low? i would of expected a beter score at 2600mhz 260HTT 1:1 then what your getting. im sure there are a few people in here that can tell you how to make the score get beter. other then that man "wow" thats a nice oc. you do that on air or you using xtreme cooling?

peace perc,

only air cooling :)

My memory run 1:1 ... You seen this on the screen i posted ...

Now i will test lower timings for mor mhz!

heyas chicken :D

Kinsy
09-28-2004, 03:24 AM
I think people need to be very careful with high vdimm on these boards.

[edit]It wasnt a resistor, it was a burnt-out trace. I just hope it hasnt killed the CPU - either way ive got another board arriving Thursday.

andL64
09-28-2004, 03:33 AM
the board is a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: but if u get her sucking its a awsome :banana::banana::banana::banana: ;)

first when i got it....yesterday i thought i got a DOA because i installed my waco and plug all power cables in it says only "check ur vid card because power cable is unplugged?" so what the hell i thought tried the other cable (msiRX9800) for floppy the same then cmos clear the same.. but i started lol with jumpers on 2-3 and blackscreen....so i tried some more (change the cable) and what the :banana::banana::banana::banana:? it booted ;)

since i use the bios came with the board and i m very happy but i got some issues bout memory (dividers) HT frequencies and throttling of course...

but i dunno how it does this but its a OC champion really i needed 1,7-1,78Vcore for 2330-2370 max and it was instabile on my :banana::banana::banana::banana:-ty epox and here i go with 1,66-1,71 2350 rOckstable wOW but not enough the 2400 i ve broken stable i wont believe on 1,76-1,82 i can do without probs ran prime fpr 7h40min without errors on epox 2415 was most ever i could bench!

lets see how far i ll come.... :D

today mornin i want to check it out some more core but it crashed and then i setted bios settings diffrent and never come into win again not with default sett. anymoa? ahh the :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: again....

(hangs up in blinking one little straight line after chosed winXP screen like dos blinking hard to explain....)

then i went away when i came again 3 1/2 hours i unplugged the power ATX cable and 12V cable and the :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: is sucking again very well ;) so give it a try again... :)

but i only got 1 ide hdd so i cant allow to get the :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ed swallow my hdd !

seEn andL

edit: i like bananas

victor89
09-28-2004, 05:55 AM
I must have this mainboard!!

Ubermann
09-28-2004, 09:24 AM
Absolutly the worst post i ever seen!
MY EYES ARE BLEEDING!!

Sheik
09-28-2004, 10:58 AM
My 3700+ is benchmarkable at 2.875 GHz with 1.7 Vore in Mach2 :p: I really like this motherboard. Scored 30631 3DMarks with WinXP & DX 9.0C :eek: and X800XT at stock speeds :banana4:

AllBrain
09-29-2004, 02:40 AM
Here is some screenshots of my system doing 250 HTT one to one:

Super_PI

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/AllBrain/DFI/Super_PI.jpg

Memory Bandwidth

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/AllBrain/DFI/MemoryBandwidth.jpg

CPU Arithmetic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/AllBrain/DFI/CPUArithmetic.jpg

CPU Multi-Media

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/AllBrain/DFI/CPUMulti-Media.jpg

andL64
09-29-2004, 03:03 AM
whoa i got pretty sucking bh-6 will not make 2,5-3-3-10 for 235 / 3,2Vdimm

soOn i m going to get bh-5 corsair hope there ll i get moa!

seen andL

EDIT: hey guys also got problems with MODDED bios with default i can go up to the boards limit but when i set above migic 270+ the board wont boot => dete. array
but with the default i can boot with 400x5/6

why is it so? maybe a tweak in the bios? one value but i setted it same as the default one but it wont boot....

maybe i ll go to the old back again :) oldschool rOckZ

esoteradactyl
09-29-2004, 08:03 AM
boards are in stock over at newegg if anybody cares :) http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-136-147&depa=0

mad mikee
09-29-2004, 09:11 AM
If allbrain can get 3800+ at 250-3-3-3-x, I gotta see what I can get w/ 265-275+ at 2-3-3-8 :D :slobber:

(TCCD still burning in on wife's puter whilst I fiddle w/ BH-5.)

I'm seeing this disconnect between memtest BW on TCCD and winders (gets less than my BH5 @ 250 until I get into the 270-280 range) but still see some BANDWIDTH here :shrug:

ugp
09-29-2004, 06:38 PM
I can't wait for my OCZ Platinum Rev 2 512x2 comes in. I ordered it last night and it will be here sometime next week. And next week I am on vacation so I got sometime to play with it. I can't wait to see what this RAM does on this board. I have heard of one stick doing 310FSB; and 278FSB with two sticks in. But when I get it I will do my testing and post my results. I also hope to get alot higher CPU clocks as well. I hope to atleast hit 2.6GHz stable on air.

eva2000
09-29-2004, 08:08 PM
If allbrain can get 3800+ at 250-3-3-3-x, I gotta see what I can get w/ 265-275+ at 2-3-3-8 :D :slobber:

(TCCD still burning in on wife's puter whilst I fiddle w/ BH-5.)

I'm seeing this disconnect between memtest BW on TCCD and winders (gets less than my BH5 @ 250 until I get into the 270-280 range) but still see some BANDWIDTH here :shrug:
i just started testing 1x 512MB OCZ PC3700 Gold rev3 on this DFI board easy 275mhz 2.5-3-3-8 at 2.8v vdimm with chipset voltage at 1.6v :)

Mrki
09-30-2004, 01:33 AM
Why i can geht with Jess's and Oscar's BIOS 14/9 only 3.15-3.2 VDimm and not 3.3? My PSU can take 3.3 i think or not?
Have someone and guide for psu rail mod?

ColdFusion
09-30-2004, 02:01 AM
i just started testing 1x 512MB OCZ PC3700 Gold rev3 on this DFI board easy 275mhz 2.5-3-3-8 at 2.8v vdimm with chipset voltage at 1.6v :)
Thats awesome! Have you got another stick of 512 to try? I'm planning on getting this memory but will want a gig RAM for 24/7 use

Zeus
09-30-2004, 03:23 AM
Why i can geht with Jess's and Oscar's BIOS 14/9 only 3.15-3.2 VDimm and not 3.3? My PSU can take 3.3 i think or not?
Have someone and guide for psu rail mod?

Your 3,3V Rail has to be 0,1-0,15V higher than your Vdimm, allways.
Also VID control has to be set at anything but auto.

Dissolved
09-30-2004, 03:34 PM
anyone test fsb useing ALL 3 dimms?

Perc
09-30-2004, 07:00 PM
this mb simply kicks arse. this oc here seems to be pretty stable? my 3.3v rail is at about 3.38v so getting 3.2v to feed my power hungery bh-5 is cutting it close. i deff need to do the 3.3v mod to my psu. heres a screen shot of my oc so far. hope to get more once i work out a few bugs.

*edit* where is the 1T setting in the bios for this mb? im using the 9/17 modded bios for 4v v-dimm....

peace.....

ugp
09-30-2004, 07:01 PM
@Perc what RAM is that there? You should be able to push that alot more though too :D

Perc
09-30-2004, 07:03 PM
@Perc what RAM is that there? You should be able to push that alot more though too :D


crosair 3200XMS series. i gues its some older stuff cause its bh-5. anyways i just got the mb yesterday so im still clueless on what i can get out of this thing. im going to have to re-read this big ass thread to look for tips and tricks. im still looking for the damm 1T setting....

peace....

ugp
09-30-2004, 07:05 PM
crosair 3200 i gues its some older stuff cause its bh-5. anyways i just got the mb yesterday so im still clueless on what i can get out of this thing. im going to have to re-read this big ass thread to look for tips and tricks. im still looking for the damm 1T setting....

peace....
The board is very easy to get along with? What version BIOS are you running it with right now? Did you get the v4.0 modded one? That seems to be what everyone is running and no one is having problems with it yet. Just play with it and have fun. Let us know what your highest CPU clock is.

Perc
09-30-2004, 07:25 PM
The board is very easy to get along with? What version BIOS are you running it with right now? Did you get the v4.0 modded one? That seems to be what everyone is running and no one is having problems with it yet. Just play with it and have fun. Let us know what your highest CPU clock is.


yes im using the 4v modded bios as well. now i got a few questions here. how do you get 1T? i seen in a post a few pages back that 1T= CPC enabled? what about CPC auto is that 1T? also i cant boot at any speed using CPC enabled??? im using two sticks of double sided crosair xms bh-5. i think they are rev1.1 not too sure they are the first pair of crosair ive ever owned. also i did have problems running these two stick in dimms 1,2. i had to use one stick to get it to boot and later got the two stick to work in dimms 2,3 .. maybe ill try one stick and see if i can enable 1T that is unless auto will give me 1T??

thx perc.

ugp
09-30-2004, 07:27 PM
I would just stay with 1T timings. I am not sure though...can someone else help him with that question?

Tedinde
09-30-2004, 07:36 PM
crosair 3200XMS series. i gues its some older stuff cause its bh-5. anyways i just got the mb yesterday so im still clueless on what i can get out of this thing. im going to have to re-read this big ass thread to look for tips and tricks. im still looking for the damm 1T setting....

peace....


If you notice when it boots Perc if you turn off the flash screen, it's already set @ 1t, unless your trying to turn off the 1t to 2t??

Perc
09-30-2004, 07:45 PM
no im trying to make sure it is on 1T thats all. so your saying that with cpc set to auto its already 1T? what screen do i shut off that dfi flash screen when you boot? will it say 1T in the flash screen anywhere if i disable the dfi flash screen?

thx perc,

Perc
09-30-2004, 07:50 PM
ok i just disabled the dfi falsh screen and i can now see what your talking about. i am indeed getting the 2T with the CPC set to auto so im loosing memory bandwith big time. im going to try takin one stick out and seeing if i can boot with 1T? as it stands now i can't even boot at defualt speeds using 1T let alone trying to use 1T with any kind of oc...

*edit*
ok i pulled one stick out and im able to boot with CPC enabled (YAY :D ) i gues the way to go with this system since its single channel would be one stick of 512 instead of 2x256. hey how are you guys getting along with the EB memory in this mb? what do you guys think would be better EB with looser timmings or BH-5 with the tigher timmings? i see that alot of you guys are using EB in this mb so i got me a pair of 256 3500 eb comming to try in this mb. i hope they work beter then my adata pc4000 and my bh-5 3200....

oh and whats drive strenth do?

peace perc,

Tedinde
09-30-2004, 08:31 PM
Using My Crucial Ballistix, mine set's to 1t, im testing out now for max fsb, cas 2-2-2 drops out on the ballistix @ 240, then i have to go to 2.5-2-2, past 265 i have to run slack timings like PC4200, this is with 2.5-4-4-8 timings. 285 fsb 1:1, but the 1t is still on.

I've got Good corsair, Geil, OCZ, everything, Everyone do their selves a favor and buy the Ballistix, This is the first "all around memory" i've dreamt about, This stuff is PC3200 2-2-2 if you need it, or just change the timings and you have PC4200+ this is my first stab @ High FSB with slack timing on it. I'll be back on a reboot with more results. Oh and by the way. this is @ 3v!!

Anandtec's review is dead on if your read the Ballistix review. I've been using it for the last month in everyone's computer that i build for highend. And it's cheaper than Corsair's big boys, And it's all i'll buy now.

Mine DFI does fine with my bh5's using 256mb sticks, but it doesnt like my ADATA PC4000 at all.

Tedinde
09-30-2004, 08:34 PM
I found some screenies of the chip you have now the 3000 newcastle that your using . in my pictures folder Perc, this is with using Geil PC4200's i've had for about a year. Back then no one liked Geil, and no matter how many 300FSB+ screens i showed of it. The corsair fanboys still told me it sucks and they would only buy corsair??

Tedinde
09-30-2004, 08:52 PM
Still going 290 HTT 1:1 I'll be listing in the for sale forums soon various BH-5 sticks by Kingston and Corsair, And also some PC4200 sticks from OCZ, Geil. And some Adata PC4000. I've found my ram. I also got a Ballistix Tshirt the 5 times i ordered. Im not a fan boy on 2 many things. One is Fortron Power supplies the other is this ballistix memory.

I dropped down to 8x multi since im only benching memory speed now. And im on Air cooling, Alpha I bought a Vapo LS and im hoping it will show up here tomorrow!!!


290HTT 1:1

spaceman
09-30-2004, 11:31 PM
ok i just disabled the dfi falsh screen and i can now see what your talking about. i am indeed getting the 2T with the CPC set to auto so im loosing memory bandwith big time. im going to try takin one stick out and seeing if i can boot with 1T? as it stands now i can't even boot at defualt speeds using 1T let alone trying to use 1T with any kind of oc...

*edit*
ok i pulled one stick out and im able to boot with CPC enabled (YAY :D ) i gues the way to go with this system since its single channel would be one stick of 512 instead of 2x256. hey how are you guys getting along with the EB memory in this mb? what do you guys think would be better EB with looser timmings or BH-5 with the tigher timmings? i see that alot of you guys are using EB in this mb so i got me a pair of 256 3500 eb comming to try in this mb. i hope they work beter then my adata pc4000 and my bh-5 3200....

oh and whats drive strenth do?

peace perc, Perc, try DIMMs 1 & 3. ;) I'm still looking for info on drive strength, and a lot of the advanced mem timings. Kinda hard to find, and the BH-5 specs aren't real helpful, they're just too old. :( Remember, BH-5 was out when JEDEC still didn't endorse PC3200 yet, lol. ;) @ Tedinde, that looks like the stuff. Next time I can afford some RAM, I'll give that a try. :cool:

eva2000
10-01-2004, 12:17 AM
Still going 290 HTT 1:1 I'll be listing in the for sale forums soon various BH-5 sticks by Kingston and Corsair, And also some PC4200 sticks from OCZ, Geil. And some Adata PC4000. I've found my ram. I also got a Ballistix Tshirt the 5 times i ordered. Im not a fan boy on 2 many things. One is Fortron Power supplies the other is this ballistix memory.

I dropped down to 8x multi since im only benching memory speed now. And im on Air cooling, Alpha I bought a Vapo LS and im hoping it will show up here tomorrow!!!


290HTT 1:1
what does unbuffered look like ?

eva2000
10-01-2004, 12:18 AM
Thats awesome! Have you got another stick of 512 to try? I'm planning on getting this memory but will want a gig RAM for 24/7 use
yeah it's part of dual channel OCZ PC3700 Gold rev3 kit so will try the other stick later on :)

Ubermann
10-01-2004, 12:20 AM
Thanks eva for the 7X bypass tip.
It gave a good boost!

Perc
10-01-2004, 02:44 AM
@ted

how the hell you getting 190 1:1!!!? what memory u using? im stuck at 255-260 1:1 with this bh-5 and 3.2v vdimm. also whats the max v-core you think these 64 chips can take? ive yet to use anything above 1.66v...

peace perc,

Bourch
10-01-2004, 03:03 AM
I already own 2x512 PC4000 ADATA

Would you recomend me selling them and buying a pair of "OCZ EB DDR PC-3500 / 433MHz / Platinum Edition / Dual Channel"???

I know they are better but don't know if they are better enough to send mines and spend around $150 more on them. Will I get MUCH more bandwidth :confused:

I will use 2x512 config, never 1x512

Currently I get around 3700Mb/s (Sandra Buffered) at 250 1:1 2.5 4-4-10

ugp
10-01-2004, 06:51 AM
@Tedinde...

Put your Tras and 10 instead of 8 and I bet you will get alittle higher bandwidth scores. 64s like a Tras setting of 10. Is your CPU at 2.8 on air? And if so what are the temps and how much voltage are you having to run to it to hit that?

@Bourch...

I would recommend getting some OCZ Plat Rev 2 512x2. If you want to overclock 1GB this is the RAM to get. It will do DDR577+ with two DIMMs in. OCZ EB wont even do that or any other memory that I am aware of. But I think also Ubermann told me that he has gotten his one stick to do 310FSB so far as well.

@Ubermann...

Is 310FSB the highest on your RAM still?

Ubermann
10-01-2004, 07:29 AM
310 is the best yet that survived this stupid prime for an hour.
I can boot comp, run Super PI and run all kinda benches without crash or other strange lockups.
But it can fail after 5 seconds in prime.
Will try memtest instead.

freestylercs
10-01-2004, 07:38 AM
Heres my Board with a 3400+ Clawhammer CG and 1 gig KHx BH5@3,1V
LDT=Auto (2,5)
But 34 sec isn´t enough , i think. ive seen some screens with 250x10, which shows 34 sec too.
The maximum of this Board , i still have to find out.
Therefore, see you

http://mitglied.lycos.de/freestylercs/hpbimg/34sec.JPG

good luck free

ugp
10-01-2004, 09:35 AM
Well come to find out my new RAM is going to be here today. So tonight I shall be posting lots of new screens and hopefully I shall have a rock solid stable system.

NPinho
10-01-2004, 09:39 AM
I need to know where is Vcore/Vdimm read points... anyone konws?



cumps!

NPinho
10-01-2004, 10:13 AM
I just found now vdimm read point :toast:


and vcore? anywone?

Klisp
10-01-2004, 11:35 AM
I think i'm doing pretty good super pi ... these are my ram settings and stuff.
i think 31sec is good.

mad mikee
10-01-2004, 11:48 AM
Better have real ssstttttteaeaeaeaeaaadydyddydydyddyyyyy Hand or :frag: :flame: :explode:

(/me considers trying after lots of tape on tip of DMM :D )

Mrki
10-01-2004, 11:50 AM
I think i'm doing pretty good super pi ... these are my ram settings and stuff.
i think 31sec is good.

vdimm?

Mrki
10-01-2004, 12:12 PM
update ... not bad for NC and low performance dfi :cool:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/10x260_34sek.jpg

spaceman
10-01-2004, 12:25 PM
Better have real ssstttttteaeaeaeaeaaadydyddydydyddyyyyy Hand or :frag: :flame: :explode:

(/me considers trying after lots of tape on tip of DMM :D )
LOL, that's a small target. ;) Maybe if we taped over all but that center leg? :)

NPinho
10-01-2004, 12:51 PM
My Best Pi with OCZ Powerstream 3.33v@3.8v
http://clientes.netvisao.pt/npa1987/ximabestpi.jpg


My Sapphire9800Pro ALL Air Cooled adn Without Vmods :)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8151763

trey
10-01-2004, 01:07 PM
It looks like superpi depands more on the cpu frekvens, and sync isn't a must!

naelq
10-01-2004, 02:32 PM
hi there guys, & excuse my 'traditional' question :p:
i'm thinking about upgrading my XP-M2600+ & NF7-S rev2.0 to an A64 system. now, it seems that im going this DFI MoBo, but the question would be, which CPU to go?! i can't decide which?!
1. A64 3200+ DTR?!
2. A64 3400+ DTR?!
3. a non-DTR one?! CH or NC?!

BTW, i'll be using my Corsair 2 x CMX256A PC3200LL re1.1 ( BH-5 :D )


NaeLQ

Ubermann
10-01-2004, 02:53 PM
It looks like superpi depands more on the cpu frekvens, and sync isn't a must!

I have 100mhz lower then him and higher timings, but get 34sec also =)

ugp
10-01-2004, 04:27 PM
Got My Ocz!!! Yay!

Perc
10-01-2004, 07:31 PM
Got My Ocz!!! Yay!


yeah what you get? i just picked up some eb3500 myself but now i hear that the balistic memory is what you want these days? well i cant aford to buy any right now so these new ocz eb3500 beter be worth the trouble...

@naelq
im using some crosair CMX256A 3200LLPT XMS rev1.1 bh-5 and so far 255-260 1:1 with 2-2-2 timmings 3.2v on this dfi board. you should see some decent 1:1 ocs out of them. good luck :toast:

perc,

ugp
10-01-2004, 07:57 PM
OCZ 512x2 Plat Rev 2 PC3200

Perc
10-01-2004, 09:44 PM
well not the greatest oc compared to you guys but none the less 2650mhz 1:1 using pc4000 adata. IF i can mange 2700mhz 1:1 i would be happy with that. anyways have a peek tell me what you guys think? also i tried that 400x5 with the 1/2 divider and it was a no go. i got this message saying "detecting array" then it would just reboot and then a blk screen so i dont know how the hell you guys are getting 400plus HTT??

peace perc,

jayl
10-02-2004, 03:19 AM
I´ve been reading this thread almost from the beginning and drooling :slobber: when others got their boards. But finally yesterday I got mine.. :D and decided to post...

I flashed the 4.0V mod bios. Now I´ve just been trying to find the max stable HTT and so far I´ve found 350MHz..

I ran prime 7 hours with that and no problems...

Now I just have to find the max 1:1 with these EB´s... ;) :)

7x350MHz PRIME 7h (http://koti.welho.com/jlinna2/DFI%20Lanparty%20UT/Prime/Prime%207h%20-%207x350MHz=2.45GHz@1.65V,%20mem%20245MHz@3-3-2-6@3.0V_pieni.JPG)

Perc
10-02-2004, 04:45 AM
I´ve been reading this thread almost from the beginning and drooling :slobber: when others got their boards. But finally yesterday I got mine.. :D and decided to post...

I flashed the 4.0V mod bios. Now I´ve just been trying to find the max stable HTT and so far I´ve found 350MHz..

I ran prime 7 hours with that and no problems...

Now I just have to find the max 1:1 with these EB´s... ;) :)

7x350MHz PRIME 7h (http://koti.welho.com/jlinna2/DFI%20Lanparty%20UT/Prime/Prime%207h%20-%207x350MHz=2.45GHz@1.65V,%20mem%20245MHz@3-3-2-6@3.0V_pieni.JPG)

dammit man 350HTT? what multi you using with that? i tried 5x400 and all i got was a blk screen and a message sayin "detecting array" :shrug:

jayl
10-02-2004, 04:56 AM
dammit man 350HTT? what multi you using with that? i tried 5x400 and all i got was a blk screen and a message sayin "detecting array" :shrug:

I was using 7x multi (7x350MHz). I haven´t tried more or lower multis, yet ;)

Oh yeah, all settings were set to AUTO, except I uppet the chipset voltage by +0.1V to 1.6V and also Vcore 110%.

naelq
10-02-2004, 04:56 AM
thanks Perc, & what about the CPU?! which do you recommend?!

Bourch
10-02-2004, 04:59 AM
@Bourch...

I would recommend getting some OCZ Plat Rev 2 512x2. If you want to overclock 1GB this is the RAM to get. It will do DDR577+ with two DIMMs in. OCZ EB wont even do that or any other memory that I am aware of. But I think also Ubermann told me that he has gotten his one stick to do 310FSB so far as well.



OCZ EL Platinum Edition PC3200 Dual Channel Pack
1024Mb 2x512 Kit
400 Mhz/PC3200 Rev.2 2-2-2-8
OCZ4001024ELDCPER2-K
Cons. 339,00 €

OCZ PC3200 DDR OCZ Platinum Limited WinBond BH6 1Gb Kit
1024Mb 2x512 Kit Limited Edition
400 Mhz/PC3200 2-2-2-7 (2-2-2-5)
PN-OCZ4001024ELDCPLE-K
Winbond BH6 Limited
48h - 362,00 €

I found these two 1024 packs. The first one is not in stock but I can wait.
Is the rev.2 better than the Platinum limited and the 3500EB? Them, does it deserve invest some money and change my pair of adata for those ones?

Klisp
10-02-2004, 05:10 AM
vdimm?

3.5vdimm

Zeus
10-02-2004, 05:15 AM
OCZ EL Platinum Edition PC3200 Dual Channel Pack
1024Mb 2x512 Kit
400 Mhz/PC3200 Rev.2 2-2-2-8
OCZ4001024ELDCPER2-K
Cons. 339,00 €

OCZ PC3200 DDR OCZ Platinum Limited WinBond BH6 1Gb Kit
1024Mb 2x512 Kit Limited Edition
400 Mhz/PC3200 2-2-2-7 (2-2-2-5)
PN-OCZ4001024ELDCPLE-K
Winbond BH6 Limited
48h - 362,00 €

I found these two 1024 packs. The first one is not in stock but I can wait.
Is the rev.2 better than the Platinum limited and the 3500EB? Them, does it deserve invest some money and change my pair of adata for those ones?

Both aren't the right modules.
What you want are the OCZ PC3200EL plat.rev2

So far anyone i saw reached 300MHz 2,5-4-3-10 with just one stick except me. :(
I must have one very bad stick.

Bourch
10-02-2004, 05:18 AM
Zeus, the first kit I asked is the one you say.
If you read it is: EL Platinum Edition PC3200 and near the latency you can read Rev. 2

ugp
10-02-2004, 07:14 AM
I keep having problems with trying to find the right settings that work and are stable. I haven't had much time to play with it though and I do plan to tonight. But what are some HTTs and RAM FSBs combos that are working for other people?

I want to be able to atleast hit 2.4GHz *stable of course* with my RAM at the max with 1GB in. I want to be able to run that 24/7. I do have air cooling only though but I should be able to I believe.

Ubermann
10-02-2004, 08:07 AM
Here is something when you play around with bios.
I have a hard time to remember what i change and such.
And going from one cas to another change alot of settings sometimes.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17286

Zeus
10-02-2004, 08:28 AM
Zeus, the first kit I asked is the one you say.
If you read it is: EL Platinum Edition PC3200 and near the latency you can read Rev. 2

Ok, because the non rev.2 are CH-5 chips. ;)

Perc
10-02-2004, 11:08 AM
I keep having problems with trying to find the right settings that work and are stable. I haven't had much time to play with it though and I do plan to tonight. But what are some HTTs and RAM FSBs combos that are working for other people?

I want to be able to atleast hit 2.4GHz *stable of course* with my RAM at the max with 1GB in. I want to be able to run that 24/7. I do have air cooling only though but I should be able to I believe.


ive had 3 differnt 64 systems and they all did atleast 2350mhz on air 24/7 stable so i dont realy see a problem with you getting 2400mhz 24/7. hell thats a verry modest oc you should get that np.... good luck :toast:

peace perc.

Catalan
10-02-2004, 02:38 PM
You guys all using the 4.0vdimm bios?

KingZer0
10-02-2004, 02:51 PM
Hi folks,

please help me out with some questions i got about the DFI Mobo.

I heard rumors that the speed of this board is kinda bad @ stock-settings.
Has someone of u guys figured out if this board really performs bad in relation to other nforce3 mobos.

Is that maybe the answer to the great HTT achievements u guys get with that board?

It would be nice if u could clear some things up thx a lot :)

Formann
10-02-2004, 04:20 PM
For some the DFI might be a winner, but the one i got is not good at all. If i try to run 2.9vdimm or more, its unstable. With 2.8vdimm i can do 255 3-3-2-6, but with 2.9 or 3.0v i cant even run Super-pi 1M. 3.1vdimm gives me BSOD if i try to run 240 or higher.

Im using a OCZ EB 3500Platinum, and its working just fine on KV8Pro and K8NS.

SmartGuardian reports; 3.15v (3.3c) 4.8 (5v) and 11.8 (12v) but my multimeter reports 3.4, 5.3 and 12.4v (From molex and aux)

Im a bit dissapointed. :(

One or two others here in Norway have the exact same problem.

Perc
10-02-2004, 05:20 PM
For some the DFI might be a winner, but the one i got is not good at all. If i try to run 2.9vdimm or more, its unstable. With 2.8vdimm i can do 255 3-3-2-6, but with 2.9 or 3.0v i cant even run Super-pi 1M. 3.1vdimm gives me BSOD if i try to run 240 or higher.

Im using a OCZ EB 3500Platinum, and its working just fine on KV8Pro and K8NS.

SmartGuardian reports; 3.15v (3.3c) 4.8 (5v) and 11.8 (12v) but my multimeter reports 3.4, 5.3 and 12.4v (From molex and aux)

Im a bit dissapointed. :(

One or two others here in Norway have the exact same problem.

hows your psu? i didint notice what you were using in your sig. i know that with a week 3.3v rail your memory ocs could become unstable....

peace perc,

ugp
10-02-2004, 05:37 PM
I am going to open my PSU tonight and crank up the voltage on it. I have a Fortron Source 530. I think that is what is holding my overclocks up.

ugp
10-02-2004, 09:55 PM
I am having so much problems with my PSU right now. I turned up my 12-Volt rail but it also turns by 5-Volt up as well. But now I can't get them back to where they were. Everytime I get my 12 right the 5 is at 6-Volts. It doesn't make any sense.

Perc
10-02-2004, 10:08 PM
cant you turn the 12v til its right then if your 5v is at 6v cant you just turn the 6v back down to 5v by adjusting the 5v rail after correcting the 12v rail? see what im trying to say? good luck :toast:

perc.

ugp
10-02-2004, 10:20 PM
nope, not happening.... when ever I adjust the 3.3v rail it also is adjusting the 5v, 12v, and the 3.3v rails. It seems like it fine tunes the pot that is supposed to be the 5v, and 12, rail adjustments. Iam really phreaking lost here....

Tedinde
10-02-2004, 10:51 PM
nope, not happening.... when ever I adjust the 3.3v rail it also is adjusting the 5v, 12v, and the 3.3v rails. It seems like it fine tunes the pot that is supposed to be the 5v, and 12, rail adjustments. Iam really phreaking lost here....

Which pot are you turning, i've had between myself and customers computers probably 25 fortrons, and i usually tweak them all. I've never seen the 3.3 adjustment changing anything but.

Go through this thread started by a hell of a good guy and it will let you know everything there is about a fortron 530

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26280&highlight=fortron

I think after that thread here, and OCforums. 2 weeks later after everyone started snatching the fortrons up from newegg and such, and Newegg was even running out of stock on them. Everyplace raised the price on the $10 at least. Supply and demand and so on!!!!!

Everyone know's im a fortron fanboy. I had to use my fortron 530 in a dual Xeon rig i sold to a customer last week, i have another one on the way, But until them in my around 3ghz A64 rig, Im actually using a never had the side off the fortron "STOCK" AURORA 350watt fortron.

Pics, Dont laugh at the hacked up case. It's better than proping it up on it's side, I order the Vapo LS on Wednesday and it got here Friday, Fast ass Ground shippping. I also ordered a Lian LI PC65 case to go with it and it didnt come as fast as the LS did!!! But im going to try a few cases i have here.

So i doubt there's one of you that would let a Vapo LS sit idle and im doing a lot of MB testing this weekend. So i cut up a cheap Micro Case for easy Access and bolted it down to the Vapo LS.

Here's some pics using only a 350watt Fortron with no pot adjustment. 290 HTT 1:1 memory!! Im using Crucial 3200 Ballistix memory So i dont need to adjust the memory over 3volts. I do have a OCZ booster but it's not needed, I have the 4v bios on my DFI. Also in the pics is a Pic with a Red arrow pointing @ the 350watt Fortron, and a 3ghz screenie. I can Light bench, Sisoft or a small super pi, But no 3dmark and such. And ugly case pics.

Im surprised this Vapo LS hits -60 unloaded and it's a Revision 1 LS. not a Revision 2 that's supposed to get colder.

Tedinde
10-02-2004, 11:10 PM
For some the DFI might be a winner, but the one i got is not good at all. If i try to run 2.9vdimm or more, its unstable. With 2.8vdimm i can do 255 3-3-2-6, but with 2.9 or 3.0v i cant even run Super-pi 1M. 3.1vdimm gives me BSOD if i try to run 240 or higher.

Im using a OCZ EB 3500Platinum, and its working just fine on KV8Pro and K8NS.

SmartGuardian reports; 3.15v (3.3c) 4.8 (5v) and 11.8 (12v) but my multimeter reports 3.4, 5.3 and 12.4v (From molex and aux)

Im a bit dissapointed. :(

One or two others here in Norway have the exact same problem.

I've seen most of the problems with My MSI NF3 and others mostly because of Memory when they finally tracked it down and switched to different sticks. I've got 4 sets of BH5's here. 2 sets my MSI and DFI absolutly hate and the board wont overclock with a dam when they are in.

It drove me crazy at first. And the last thing i would've suspected was my good BH5's that easily do 265fsb 1:1 @ high volts in all of my IC7's, IS7's AI7's, Asus 800C's, And 240 1:1 in my AMD XP rigs all @ 2-2-2. I refused to belive i had a memory problem. I even sent back my First MSI 250 K8 Neo board. And got another one and had the same problems. I couldnt get past 225fsb 1:1 or even using memory dividers and dropping back to 166 or 133!!!


Then for the hell of it i stuck in my Geil PC4200's and dam if i couldt hit 300fsb 1:1 out of the board, And yes i have screenies if you need me to find them. Then i pulled my 2x 256 BH5's out of another rig and the MSI loved them 260 1:1 all day long @ 2-2-2 settings. Seems my MSI board didnt like 512 sticks!!!

a month ago i ordered Crucial Ballistix PC3200's and some Ballistix 4200's which by the way are the same sticks just the 4200's cost more but the same chips underneith, They just set up the SPD different. Thse sticks will do anything you want them to, If you want low latency 3200's or high latency 4200, just set the timings, This is all around memory.

222 up to 240fsb, 2.5-2-2 up to 270fsb and set it @ slack 2.5-3-3-7 up to 300fsb. I've bought 5 sets of the ballistix in the last month for mine and customers computers. This is the New BH5's in my book. Way cheaper and faster than my beloved and expensive Corsiar which i'll never buy again now.


Here's my smart Guardian PIC's. Im pretty sure it's reporting the CPU temps wrong!!! but my PS is untouched. I was thinking about using a Antec 3700 Case on top of the LS, but i guess i stick with the one that fits the best and everyone uses and seems to love the Lian Li 65's. Anyone looking for Cheap Antec Cases, Ebuyer.com has Antec slk3700's for $52 plus only $7 shipping. Im sure you all know these cases are usually $85 plus shipping everywhere, and when newegg sells them for $65 they sell out. Just about all Antec cases @ ebyer are in the $50's. I bought 8 SLK 3700's and stocked up!!! You'll spend that much on a generic case after you put a good power supply in it.

Mrki
10-03-2004, 12:18 AM
I can Light bench, Sisoft or a small super pi, But no 3dmark and such. And ugly case pics.



3dmark 01, 03 or 05 sucks on my DFI ... PI and Prime i van all time bench without problems but 3dmark close to desktop or bluescreen or something what!
its hard to became 3dmark stable ro tun to end :(

ahfung
10-03-2004, 12:22 AM
3dmark 01, 03 or 05 sucks on my DFI ... PI and Prime i van all time bench without problems but 3dmark close to desktop or bluescreen or something what!
its hard to became 3dmark stable ro tun to end :(

Sign of memory instability, relax a bit a try again. ;)

KingZer0
10-03-2004, 12:37 AM
So whats the conclusion about the DFI is it a low-performer compared to the other nf3 Boards out there especially @ stock speed

Is it true that internal timings have been relaxed so that greater HTT achievements are possible?

ahfung
10-03-2004, 12:42 AM
So whats the conclusion about the DFI is it a low-performer compared to the other nf3 Boards out there especially @ stock speed

Is it true that internal timings have been relaxed so that greater HTT achievements are possible?

I dun think so, read the 754 mb round up in Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2206&p=1). The Lanparty is one of the better performer.

KingZer0
10-03-2004, 12:48 AM
@ahfung

But i am sure u heard about the bad voices according to the performance of that mobo.
Furthermore anand has always some "magical-stuff" in their performance charts when it comes 2 evaluate the performance of some hardware
I dont know if i can trust them but yes iknow this review but what r the experienced DFI Users thinkin about that issue?

ahfung
10-03-2004, 12:55 AM
@ahfung

But i am sure u heard about the bad voices according to the performance of that mobo.
Furthermore anand has always some "magical-stuff" in their performance charts when it comes 2 evaluate the performance of some hardware
I dont know if i can trust them but yes iknow this review but what r the experienced DFI Users thinkin about that issue?

I don't have other 754 so can't help you on this. I'm sure someone here can answer you.

I for myself didn't have any complaint on the performance. One thing for sure is that if you are good at tweakings, your mb will be faster than a noob with a better mb. :hehe:

reject
10-03-2004, 01:25 AM
im getting this board this week and im sure i can pull something out of my sleeve, despite my average ram.
furthest i got was in my sig, wats the fastest way to get a good divider running so my HTT is really high and memory high, cause i dont know how high it can go. also im pretty sure i can do 2.6ghz on my zalman alcu.

Tedinde
10-03-2004, 01:41 AM
So whats the conclusion about the DFI is it a low-performer compared to the other nf3 Boards out there especially @ stock speed

Is it true that internal timings have been relaxed so that greater HTT achievements are possible?

I get better numbers than my MSI board, and i can clock higher HTT, also more volt options including chipset voltage!!! I get higher HTT than my MSI used to upon testing and setting the HTT mult to 5x,4x,3x,2,x!!!

And Reject the Zalman ALCU will handle 2.6ghz fine, im using a Zalman on another A64 rig have here @ that speed, and also on a Prescott 2.8a @ 3.8ghz no problems.

Zeus
10-03-2004, 02:12 AM
For some the DFI might be a winner, but the one i got is not good at all. If i try to run 2.9vdimm or more, its unstable. With 2.8vdimm i can do 255 3-3-2-6, but with 2.9 or 3.0v i cant even run Super-pi 1M. 3.1vdimm gives me BSOD if i try to run 240 or higher.

Im using a OCZ EB 3500Platinum, and its working just fine on KV8Pro and K8NS.

SmartGuardian reports; 3.15v (3.3c) 4.8 (5v) and 11.8 (12v) but my multimeter reports 3.4, 5.3 and 12.4v (From molex and aux)

Im a bit dissapointed. :(

One or two others here in Norway have the exact same problem.


Did you flash to the 4Vdimm bios?

If you did, you have to set VID control to anything other than auto or else Vdimm will set back to 2.5V.

If you set 1,5V for example you can set any Vdimm you like as long as you stay around 0,1-0,15V under your 3,3V ATX voltage.

Hope this helps. ;)

KingZer0
10-03-2004, 03:28 AM
@Ted

thx for your opinion Ted.

@all

What do the other guys suggest?
U all know its something difficult with all that rumors roaming around ;)

In my opinion maybe the amount of config options results in a greater potential of misconfiguration but i dont want to use this as an argument if it isnt part of the truth.

I heard about Voltage fluctuations with this board which are out of normal can u agree with that?

It seems there are not so much disapointed people @ XS like i saw in other forums am i right? :)

ahfung
10-03-2004, 03:38 AM
I dont' encounter voltage flutuations on mine. First of all you need to ake sure getting a quality PSU > 400W with good 12V rail (>=18A IMHO) if you want to overclock seriously. My Enermax Noisetaker 470W can keep the 12V at 11.77V when 2.6GHz full load, while the former SPI 400W would drop to ~11.5V.

Perc
10-03-2004, 04:31 AM
@ted


I even sent back my First MSI 250 K8 Neo board. And got another one and had the same problems. I couldnt get past 225fsb 1:1 or even using memory dividers and dropping back to 166 or 133!!!

see man it wasnt just me who had problems with that POS MSI you your self just described the same problems i was having to the "T" .... im so glad this DFI is nothing like that MSI and actualy ocs! i couldnt be happyer with this mb. infact when it comes to 754 platform i wouldnt recomend anything but the DFI for ocing. now i did hear somthing that i dont know if its true or not but. i heard that the DFI at stock settings is slower then other 754mb's anyone hear the same thing? i cant see this mb being slow at any speeds. even though i will admit that with my 3200 clawhammer and the older an50r at 2350mhz was getting 22006k in 3dmark using my 9800pro and with this 3000 newcrapsle and DFI mb oced to 2700mhz is only getting 22067k in 3dmark using the same 9800pro same everything just difernt mb/cpu? now i dont know if this is a driver issue with my 9800pro or that i just need to spend more time tweeking but i would of expected a big ass jump in score with a 300mhz diff in oc....

peace perc,

Mrki
10-03-2004, 05:19 AM
dfi is low @ standard timings! u must tweak enouth to find the optimal settings!
with no tweaking i have with 10x250, 37sek in pi! with tweaking i have at the same 10x250, 35sek in pi ;)

Formann
10-03-2004, 05:24 AM
I've seen most of the problems with My MSI NF3 and others mostly because of Memory when they finally tracked it down and switched to different sticks. I've got 4 sets of BH5's here. 2 sets my MSI and DFI absolutly hate and the board wont overclock with a dam when they are in.

It drove me crazy at first. And the last thing i would've suspected was my good BH5's that easily do 265fsb 1:1 @ high volts in all of my IC7's, IS7's AI7's, Asus 800C's, And 240 1:1 in my AMD XP rigs all @ 2-2-2. I refused to belive i had a memory problem. I even sent back my First MSI 250 K8 Neo board. And got another one and had the same problems. I couldnt get past 225fsb 1:1 or even using memory dividers and dropping back to 166 or 133!!!


Then for the hell of it i stuck in my Geil PC4200's and dam if i couldt hit 300fsb 1:1 out of the board, And yes i have screenies if you need me to find them. Then i pulled my 2x 256 BH5's out of another rig and the MSI loved them 260 1:1 all day long @ 2-2-2 settings. Seems my MSI board didnt like 512 sticks!!!

a month ago i ordered Crucial Ballistix PC3200's and some Ballistix 4200's which by the way are the same sticks just the 4200's cost more but the same chips underneith, They just set up the SPD different. Thse sticks will do anything you want them to, If you want low latency 3200's or high latency 4200, just set the timings, This is all around memory.

222 up to 240fsb, 2.5-2-2 up to 270fsb and set it @ slack 2.5-3-3-7 up to 300fsb. I've bought 5 sets of the ballistix in the last month for mine and customers computers. This is the New BH5's in my book. Way cheaper and faster than my beloved and expensive Corsiar which i'll never buy again now.


Here's my smart Guardian PIC's. Im pretty sure it's reporting the CPU temps wrong!!! but my PS is untouched. I was thinking about using a Antec 3700 Case on top of the LS, but i guess i stick with the one that fits the best and everyone uses and seems to love the Lian Li 65's. Anyone looking for Cheap Antec Cases, Ebuyer.com has Antec slk3700's for $52 plus only $7 shipping. Im sure you all know these cases are usually $85 plus shipping everywhere, and when newegg sells them for $65 they sell out. Just about all Antec cases @ ebyer are in the $50's. I bought 8 SLK 3700's and stocked up!!! You'll spend that much on a generic case after you put a good power supply in it.



Hmm.. so it seems the DFI is very picky on the mem-sticks. Weird. Several ppl here in norway run OCZ EB 3500 on their DFI. But, when you mention it i recall anotherone with DFI/OCZ EB problems. He could´n even get the DFI running with one of his EB-sticks.
To get mine running i have to use dimm3. dimm1 or 2 is no POST.

Looks like i have to try out my BH5, and maybe buy some Ballistixs. Too bad.. this one EB stick can do 270 with 2.97v. I was really hoping to do 300+ with it. Maybe the DDR Booster would do the trick!?

Still, i wonder why the SmartGuardian reports much lover voltage than my PSU delivers. Its an Enhance 450w, and it has proven it selv more than once. I even tried with my Enermax 420 which undervolts the 3.3v rail a little. It delivers 3.25v. Even if the 3.3v line vas 0.15v lower, smartguradian and BIOS reported the same voltage; 3.15v. Something must be wrong.

Yeah, your SmartGuradian CPU temp seems to be it off .. not much tho :P


Zeus: I have had the CPU VID at 1.525 all the time. It must be something else f****ing up my OC. :mad:

Ubermann
10-03-2004, 05:38 AM
Does the Booster make the ram volt more stable ?

spaceman
10-03-2004, 05:47 AM
One thing for sure is that if you are good at tweakings, your mb will be faster than a noob with a better mb. :hehe:
I think you just hit the nail on the head. Too many folks just don't want to take the time to learn what works, maybe even too lazy to format, then they blame probs on the hardware. ;)

reject
10-03-2004, 06:41 AM
the reason i was kinda unsure is casue my mobo died as i was trying to go form 9x to 2.6ghz, and i thought it was my cpu till i tried another. maybe overheating, but it couldnt casue the hs didnt feel hot
anyway, i have pretty average ADATAs, and i see that Perc has them.
i wonder how good these perform? i dont really have much luck with mobo ocing, but im pretty good with grakas :D

KingZer0
10-03-2004, 06:46 AM
@spaceman

Do u really think its that easy? ;)

Well maybe its right to say that the DFI increased internal latencies do make higher clock possible
If this would be true its even true that it makes no performance difference if u can kick your DFI to the max because other nforce3 mobos arent able to reach such high HTTs as the DFI

Well if this is right too than we have to say that maybe the DFI isnt the best board for people who dont have the components to achieve those high HTT/RAM Results.

What do u think?

ahfung
10-03-2004, 07:06 AM
@spaceman

Do u really think its that easy? ;)

Well maybe its right to say that the DFI increased internal latencies do make higher clock possible
If this would be true its even true that it makes no performance difference if u can kick your DFI to the max because other nforce3 mobos arent able to reach such high HTTs as the DFI

Well if this is right too than we have to say that maybe the DFI isnt the best board for people who dont have the components to achieve those high HTT/RAM Results.

What do u think?

You will find most BIOS settings of Lanparty available in A64 Tweaker, except a few low-level DRAM settings which is quite critical for a outstanding overclock. Unfortunately neither they are available in other mb at the moment. You may take a look at anandtech's review on Lanparty to see the BIOS options.

Other than that, it's the memory compatibility and various voltage manipulation that make it stand out from other S754 mb. Anandtech's review is a good read if you ... oh forget it since u are biased towards anandtech.

Of course, you are free to choose any S754 or simply just wait for upcoming 939 mb, don't just limit yourself to the Lanparty. As long as you are in the game you still have to invest some time spend some effort on the art of fine tuning.

bldegle2
10-03-2004, 07:27 AM
"SPI 400W would drop to ~11.5V."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

those PS's right now. under full load, the 12v is 12.1, the 5 is 4.95 and the 3.3 is @3.6 (so i can throw some good juice to my BH-5).

they are totally pot adjustable, did you try adjusting the pots????

i hate to see people spending $$$ on something that could have been fixed with a tiny screwdriver and about 10 minutes worth of work.

baldy :rolleyes:

ahfung
10-03-2004, 07:43 AM
"SPI 400W would drop to ~11.5V."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

those PS's right now. under full load, the 12v is 12.1, the 5 is 4.95 and the 3.3 is @3.6 (so i can throw some good juice to my BH-5).

they are totally pot adjustable, did you try adjusting the pots????

i hate to see people spending $$$ on something that could have been fixed with a tiny screwdriver and about 10 minutes worth of work.

baldy :rolleyes:

Hey need to let you know that I loved my SPI while it's with my 8RDA+/1800+ which oc to 2.6GHz nicely. But the hard fact is that SPI400-60GN 12V rail only rate for 16A, while the Enermax Noisetaker 470W is talking about 33A! Both my A64 and 6800GT need a A LOT A LOT of 12V. The tiny screwdriver on the pots ain't going to do the magic.

The outcome is I got higher oc on both the 3200+ and 6800GT, pretty straight forward.

jess1313
10-03-2004, 08:46 AM
Has anyone had trouble with the 6800s in this board. If so did you find a fix.

Thanx

-Jess-

jayl
10-03-2004, 08:54 AM
Jess or anyone...

I am using your 4.0V mod bios. But I am having some problems with adjusting the mem voltage. When I set 3.2 from bios it works fine, but when I set 3.3V the mem voltage goes to 2.5V, what´s that?
I´ve got OCZ Powerstream and I have tried adjusting lines, but no solution to that problem... Any ideas? thx

spaceman
10-03-2004, 09:52 AM
Jess or anyone...

I am using your 4.0V mod bios. But I am having some problems with adjusting the mem voltage. When I set 3.2 from bios it works fine, but when I set 3.3V the mem voltage goes to 2.5V, what´s that?
I´ve got OCZ Powerstream and I have tried adjusting lines, but no solution to that problem... Any ideas? thx
Just a thought, did you clear the CMOS after flashing?

jayl
10-03-2004, 10:03 AM
Just a thought, did you clear the CMOS after flashing?
Well, I don´t think so but I´ve done it since a couple of times. Maybe I should try to flash that bios again...

ugp
10-03-2004, 10:50 AM
Which pot are you turning, i've had between myself and customers computers probably 25 fortrons, and i usually tweak them all. I've never seen the 3.3 adjustment changing anything but.

Go through this thread started by a hell of a good guy and it will let you know everything there is about a fortron 530

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26280&highlight=fortron

I think after that thread here, and OCforums. 2 weeks later after everyone started snatching the fortrons up from newegg and such, and Newegg was even running out of stock on them. Everyplace raised the price on the $10 at least. Supply and demand and so on!!!!!

Everyone know's im a fortron fanboy. I had to use my fortron 530 in a dual Xeon rig i sold to a customer last week, i have another one on the way, But until them in my around 3ghz A64 rig, Im actually using a never had the side off the fortron "STOCK" AURORA 350watt fortron.

Pics, Dont laugh at the hacked up case. It's better than proping it up on it's side, I order the Vapo LS on Wednesday and it got here Friday, Fast ass Ground shippping. I also ordered a Lian LI PC65 case to go with it and it didnt come as fast as the LS did!!! But im going to try a few cases i have here.

So i doubt there's one of you that would let a Vapo LS sit idle and im doing a lot of MB testing this weekend. So i cut up a cheap Micro Case for easy Access and bolted it down to the Vapo LS.

Here's some pics using only a 350watt Fortron with no pot adjustment. 290 HTT 1:1 memory!! Im using Crucial 3200 Ballistix memory So i dont need to adjust the memory over 3volts. I do have a OCZ booster but it's not needed, I have the 4v bios on my DFI. Also in the pics is a Pic with a Red arrow pointing @ the 350watt Fortron, and a 3ghz screenie. I can Light bench, Sisoft or a small super pi, But no 3dmark and such. And ugly case pics.

Im surprised this Vapo LS hits -60 unloaded and it's a Revision 1 LS. not a Revision 2 that's supposed to get colder.
Tried it. What I am going to do is turn them all the way up before OVP kicks in and then adjust my v5 rail down with a POT in-line with it. My friend and I are doing that. What is weird on my board the 1st and 3rd pots adjust all the ways no matter which I turn. The 2 pot doesn't seem to do anything at all. When we get my v12 rail where I want it it puts my v5 rail at v6+. So I am just going to tune it down

Perc
10-03-2004, 12:22 PM
the reason i was kinda unsure is casue my mobo died as i was trying to go form 9x to 2.6ghz, and i thought it was my cpu till i tried another. maybe overheating, but it couldnt casue the hs didnt feel hot
anyway, i have pretty average ADATAs, and i see that Perc has them.
i wonder how good these perform? i dont really have much luck with mobo ocing, but im pretty good with grakas :D


so far my adata in this board get me 275-280 1:1 using the defualt 10x multi and 3xLDT so i gues im doing ok with them? i havent tired lowering the multi to 8x and trying for 300 yet but i suspect that lowering the multi will give me more then the 275-280 im already getting? anyways hows your adata treating you?


@UGP

thats what i was saying earlyer about turning the 5v rail down after you had the 12v where you wanted it...


peace perc,

jess1313
10-03-2004, 02:54 PM
Jess or anyone...

I am using your 4.0V mod bios. But I am having some problems with adjusting the mem voltage. When I set 3.2 from bios it works fine, but when I set 3.3V the mem voltage goes to 2.5V, what´s that?
I´ve got OCZ Powerstream and I have tried adjusting lines, but no solution to that problem... Any ideas? thx


Try reflashing with winflash & clear all blocks, then just set Vdimm to 3.8v & use the rail to ajust voltage.

ugp
10-03-2004, 03:33 PM
I got it stable now and so far I am at DDR500 with 1GB in. I am not complaining with this.

The Mofo
10-03-2004, 05:55 PM
Up that :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: bro, im sure shes got DDR533 in here :toast:

ugp
10-03-2004, 05:59 PM
How my voltage should I need for 2.4?

And here is a screen shot of what I got so far

ugp
10-03-2004, 06:36 PM
As I was typing the word "stable" it rebooted on me lol. But here is a clock I got but wasn't stable...

reject
10-03-2004, 06:49 PM
thats some nice scores!
perc my highest oc is in my sig but board died bfore i got a chance to go higher
are u using 1T? and what are your timings if thats 1T either that board is amazing or you have D5 chips