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    L12 mod

    I want to try the L12 mod on the tbred next week but first i want to be sure what bridges i need to close. Is it the third L12 bridge? Is there a gap like the L1?
    If i do this my cpu will be a 166MHz chip, right?
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    I'm editing this post to give you the most info on the first page (at last some will say)

    What is it ?: it's a mod to convert a 133MHz fsb cpu to a 166MHz fsb cpu

    Who should do it ? : everybody that owns a 133MHz fsb cpu (ie 1700+, 1800+, ...) and a Abit NF7 board rev2. You might want to try it if you have another brand but i don't know if you should expect some gain from it.
    ps : i forgot to add this is only for the board that have at least the C1 chipset from nvidia (meaning here the abit rev2, it won't work on an abit rev1.2 or lower! If you have a rev1.2 check the link at the end of the post)

    Why should i do it ? : because it helps to get high fsb in most case

    How do i know if it worked ?: It depends on your chip, if the same multi exist in the 166fsb cpu then you'll get the name of this cpu when you boot your comp for the first time. If the multi doesn't exist (like for the 1700+) then the bios will say that your chip is a 1100MHz cpu and i think you'll only have access to user specific settings in the softmenu

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    Disclaimer : i'm in no way responsable of anything stupid that might happen to your cpu, you should be careful when messing with the pins or bridge. This post has not all the info in it but most of it, so i advice you to read the full thread, if you have any other questions feel free to ask in the end.
    Also if you noticed a mistake, or that i forgot something, please pm and i'll be happy to add it.


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    There's two different way to do the mod, it's either by connecting two bridge or by connecting two pins

    The L12 mod : First fill the gap with some non conductive paste (thermal paste or some glue) then with the help of conductive ink connect the 3rd L12 bridge (hence the name)


    The pin mod : this consist in connecting two pin on the back of the cpu
    You can either do it with a small wire or some conductive ink





    On this pic, the shown area is the bottom right bit of the cpu and the golden arrow is facing top left.



    You have to connect the pin AH30 to the ground one of the 2 pin like AG31 or AH32

    You can check this link http://www.geocities.com/trats102002/nf7sFsbsense.html

    Another useful link (candjac website), if you're looking something about the bridges on amd system you'll find it here http://www.beachlink.com/candjac/index.htm

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    Edit 1
    i forgot this link, it's a thread of Majormav where he explain how to do a pin mode http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=17656

    Also this link if you own a rev1.2 board and a 166fsb cpu
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&threadid=6934

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    ps I wanted to thanks everybody who contributed in this thread, i can name some but i'll forget other so i'd rather thank you all as a whole.

    pps i've used some pics without the agreement of the owner so if you found one of your pics and want me to remove it, pm i'll do it

    ppps : like i said in the disclaimer, if you think that i've something wrong or that i should add something pm me and i'll be happy to correct my mistake
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    yes you're right

    my mod is like this


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    Have you noticed a gain? Did you succeed in getting high fsb?
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    Originally posted by antipop
    Have you noticed a gain? Did you succeed in getting high fsb?
    I do not know wether there's a gain in performance but for me it helped getting much higher fsbs than before. Before I could not even get over 230, after I got it w/247MHz into win2k

    Gained enough for you???
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    That's what i wanted to hear
    250 here i come
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    Does this L12 thing make no sense to anybody else? You blow the bridge on a 166 barton (making it a 133 chip), and u get better FSB. You short the bridge on a 133 cpu (making it 166) and you get better FSB.

    3 words.... WTF?!?!

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    it works also for me : 225Mhz before mod then 240Mhz stable
    It helped some guys too here

    But , you must have in mind : you will lose the 9.0X multiplicator , because all AMD 166Mhz/200Mhz cpus do not support 9.0X

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    Ok,
    For those who are getting greater FSB does this mod actually create more bandwidth or do you have to retard the timings and end up at nearly the same FPU at a higher FSB?


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    Originally posted by DarKcyde
    Does this L12 thing make no sense to anybody else? You blow the bridge on a 166 barton (making it a 133 chip), and u get better FSB. You short the bridge on a 133 cpu (making it 166) and you get better FSB.

    3 words.... WTF?!?!
    That was true with the old version of the nforce chipset, now with the new rev it's the other way around. I know it's weird but it looks like it works
    I'll do it this week end and keep you posted
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    Originally posted by antipop
    Have you noticed a gain? Did you succeed in getting high fsb?
    from 220 to 252 DC

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    OK, just to get this straight... I have a new Barton that I want to run with high FSB. I would be getting a NEW revision NF2 board so do I have to blow any bridges at all??
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    Try the "ultra" nf2 for peace of mind, even though any good nf2 board will work.

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    I am interested re any results , I was all set to blow the 3rd L12 on an XP2600 @166 Now i dont know what to do , or where i live , or my name !!!!!!!!!!!

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    Well will this work on my Asus A7n8X ? ? Bs there is now way I could get that much sys Bus
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    If I knew how to do it will AS3 work for this ??

    and for Example if I buy a BARTON XP3200 400FSB would i need 400DDR memorey 3200 or not ????
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    i wouldn't use AS3 to connect bridges, as it's not very permanent. something like a rear window defroster repair kit would work well.

    if you buy a XP3200 with 400MHz FSB, it would be best(performance wise) to run 400MHz memory as well. although, most Nforce2 boards allow you to run the memory async.

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    Well I don’t have any stuff like that what else could work?? Do I need to punch true it or just put it on top of it??
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    Question 1700Xp L12 MOD Would i get Higher FSB ??/

    Hey all I was wondering bs I would like to a L12 mod on my 1700Xp 133MHz to a 166MHz but not sure if i would get Higher FBS whit my DDR 3200 >>?/ any one know ??

    Asus A7N8X Non DX REV 1.06 if this helps

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    And I am maxed out at 2283MHZ at 1.85 does this mean if i do the L12 mod I will get higher OC ???

    Or does this only work on ABIT nf7-s ???
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    I just wanted to say I'am glad that I decided to start posting and reading more here I have 2xNF7-s coming this way and both a 1700DLT3C and 2100tbred0302 to test this theory out. I will be tring this mod on my 1700 and if it work's ok for a high fsb I will then do the same mod to my 2100 that will do 2.2 @ stock voltage.
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    What does the 8 bit mode add?
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    Has anyone tried the L12 mod on CPU that went into an EPoX ?

    From what I can tell most of the users in this thread have abit and if thats the kind of FSB thats yielded after the mod then I will invest in an Abit.
    He who asks is a fool for 15 minutes, he who does'nt remains a fool forever.

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    jonspd,

    I'm looking forward to your results. I have a 0319 1700+ DLT3C that I may try xigfrid's L12 trick on. I'm currently stuck at 220 MHz DC but this may be due to the crappy OCZ Gold RAM I have (I'm exchanging it for OCZ PC3500 EL DC).

    xigfrid, that guy on AMDMB.com forums is very arrogant and your English is not the reason he was being a jerk. Your findings are very interesting and I encourage you to post more often at XS forums, where you will not be attacked by self-proclaimed "overclocking gods."

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    Well my plan's are to see which of the 2 nf7-s board overclock on fsb the highiest and then mod the board do the vdd and add cooling where ever needed. If both board' stop around 220+ something then I will know to try this mod.


    BTW thanks pc ice for the idea we have a hobby shop around here somewhere and will do it that way sence it doesn't hurt your chip.


    My only thought's are that I might not be able to reach a high fsb in DC so there for I'am going to have to decide between 2 thing's 1 buffalo 3200 winbond and 1 hyperx 3500 and hope one of the 2 will do 235 fsb. 470 ddr is something to look forward to.
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    As I asked bf will this work on Asus A7N8X or not bs I really dont think that I could get that much FSB ???
    The BIOS dosnt let me select more then 1.85V every thing is limited ):
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    I have tryed whit a wire bs could not fint the pait so no luck for me !!! my ram is only 3200 so I think I could not push it harder bs my bios only supports 2.8V on DDR So I dont know
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