GTX 560 Coming soon!

[saaya]

Hope the price is right,.... and whoever bought the GTX 470 series is having serious headache now

cause of the 570, but not cause of the 560...
a 470 will beat a 560, im pretty sure about that, especially at high resolutions the difference should be notable

and 570s are awesome but cost 350$, so if you got a 470 for a lot less, which isnt all that difficult these days, then a 470 is actually a very nice deal and id take a 470 for 250$ over a 570 for 350$ any day of the week...

the 570 isnt much faster and costs 100$ more, offering a bit of extra performance i dont need...

[tajoh111]

cause of the 570, but not cause of the 560...
a 470 will beat a 560, im pretty sure about that, especially at high resolutions the difference should be notable

and 570s are awesome but cost 350$, so if you got a 470 for a lot less, which isnt all that difficult these days, then a 470 is actually a very nice deal and id take a 470 for 250$ over a 570 for 350$ any day of the week...

the 570 isnt much faster and costs 100$ more, offering a bit of extra performance i dont need...

I don't know about that. AMD 6870 is just a hair below the gtx 470 and the gtx 460 ftw edition(840 mhz) is faster than both cards, where it doesn't run into memory problems in anandtech's 6870 review.

The gtx 560 is 2-3% slower clock speed but picks up 15% more shaders. I think it should be faster than the gtx 470 atleast.

[DilTech]

cause of the 570, but not cause of the 560...
a 470 will beat a 560, im pretty sure about that, especially at high resolutions the difference should be notable

and 570s are awesome but cost 350$, so if you got a 470 for a lot less, which isnt all that difficult these days, then a 470 is actually a very nice deal and id take a 470 for 250$ over a 570 for 350$ any day of the week...

the 570 isnt much faster and costs 100$ more, offering a bit of extra performance i dont need...

The GTX460 at the clocks we're seeing for the GTX560, without the extra shaders enabled on the gpu, is enough to tie(and in a lot of cases beat) the GTX470. The GTX460 sonic plat from palit does so at 800mhz core. Add those extra shaders and the GTX560 will beat the 470 pretty cleanly. Only when memory becomes an issue will the GTX470 be faster than the 560. I have absolutely NO doubt in my mind on that fact. Of course, we'll see 2gb versions of the card to take care of that issue.

http://www.techspot.com/review/299-p...force-gtx-460/

I don't know about that. AMD 6870 is just a hair below the gtx 470 and the gtx 460 ftw edition(840 mhz) is faster than both cards, where it doesn't run into memory problems in anandtech's 6870 review.

The gtx 560 is 2-3% slower clock speed but picks up 15% more shaders. I think it should be faster than the gtx 470 atleast.

No thinking required... The GTX560 will beat the GTX470, even if they decide to stop at 800mhz.

[Johnny87au]

This was nvidias whole plan, pretty much wait for the release of the 6950 and bang try target the 6950's release.. Im with you on dil, this card is gonna be a machine!

[saaya]

The GTX460 at the clocks we're seeing for the GTX560, without the extra shaders enabled on the gpu, is enough to tie(and in a lot of cases beat) the GTX470. The GTX460 sonic plat from palit does so at 800mhz core. Add those extra shaders and the GTX560 will beat the 470 pretty cleanly. Only when memory becomes an issue will the GTX470 be faster than the 560. I have absolutely NO doubt in my mind on that fact. Of course, we'll see 2gb versions of the card to take care of that issue.

http://www.techspot.com/review/299-p...force-gtx-460/

No thinking required... The GTX560 will beat the GTX470, even if they decide to stop at 800mhz.

using what AA setting and what res?
i dont think a 460 or 560 for that matter can cope with 1080+ and aa like a 470 can...

and if you compare an overclocked 460 to it you might as well throw in an overclocked 470 into the mix which should perform close to a 570...
theres no point in buying a card and not maxing it out, this is xs after all...
and yeah a 560 will be fast, but how much will it overclock with a stock clock of over 800mhz already?

either way, your proving my point, a 560 might match and slightly beat a 470, but that wont make buying a 470 a bad idea. they cost roughly the same and perform roughly the same... so why would anybody have a headache cause he bought a 470 when a new card comes out that costs the same and performs the same?


btw, dont you guys just love how nvidia clearly knew the performance of the 6800 and 6900 cards?
so amd/ati hurt their marketing big time by going nazi on partners to prevent leaks, but nvidia still knew exactly what to do and reduced the price of the 470 before the 6800 and 6900 cards came out, now replacing it with a 560, and they tweaked the 580 to beat the 6970 enough to make it look inferior, and tweaked their 570 to compete well with the 6970...

way to go amd/ati! you guys really know how to market products... NOT...

[tajoh111]

using what AA setting and what res?
i dont think a 460 or 560 for that matter can cope with 1080+ and aa like a 470 can...

and if you compare an overclocked 460 to it you might as well throw in an overclocked 470 into the mix which should perform close to a 570...
theres no point in buying a card and not maxing it out, this is xs after all...
and yeah a 560 will be fast, but how much will it overclock with a stock clock of over 800mhz already?

either way, your proving my point, a 560 might match and slightly beat a 470, but that wont make buying a 470 a bad idea. they cost roughly the same and perform roughly the same... so why would anybody have a headache cause he bought a 470 when a new card comes out that costs the same and performs the same?


btw, dont you guys just love how nvidia clearly knew the performance of the 6800 and 6900 cards?
so amd/ati hurt their marketing big time by going nazi on partners to prevent leaks, but nvidia still knew exactly what to do and reduced the price of the 470 before the 6800 and 6900 cards came out, now replacing it with a 560, and they tweaked the 580 to beat the 6970 enough to make it look inferior, and tweaked their 570 to compete well with the 6970...

way to go amd/ati! you guys really know how to market products... NOT...

They clearly knew the performance of cayman, at least way better than most of the leakers or sources. I remember about two months ago, Nvidia saying that cayman will have trouble against the gtx 570. I don't think anyone believed it at the time but it turned out to be true. If cayman was released two in november with earlier drivers they would have looked a bit worse and lost alot more face.

It strange that the most pessimistic view on cayman's performance was the only one that was correct. It was wierd that all the leaks indicated massive performance increase. I wonder if some of these high performance leaks were propagated by AMD to hold back Gtx 570 and 580 sales.

[DilTech]

using what AA setting and what res?
i dont think a 460 or 560 for that matter can cope with 1080+ and aa like a 470 can...

and if you compare an overclocked 460 to it you might as well throw in an overclocked 470 into the mix which should perform close to a 570...
theres no point in buying a card and not maxing it out, this is xs after all...
and yeah a 560 will be fast, but how much will it overclock with a stock clock of over 800mhz already?

either way, your proving my point, a 560 might match and slightly beat a 470, but that wont make buying a 470 a bad idea. they cost roughly the same and perform roughly the same... so why would anybody have a headache cause he bought a 470 when a new card comes out that costs the same and performs the same?


btw, dont you guys just love how nvidia clearly knew the performance of the 6800 and 6900 cards?
so amd/ati hurt their marketing big time by going nazi on partners to prevent leaks, but nvidia still knew exactly what to do and reduced the price of the 470 before the 6800 and 6900 cards came out, now replacing it with a 560, and they tweaked the 580 to beat the 6970 enough to make it look inferior, and tweaked their 570 to compete well with the 6970...

way to go amd/ati! you guys really know how to market products... NOT...

Check the review I linked, or pick one at random like I did for the sonic platinum or any other similarly clocked 460. Those lil chips fly when clocked like that.

As for how the GTX560 will clock, no one really knows that answer except NVidia; but if they got the GF110 treatment in terms of their new transistor method, then it should clock better than the GF104 I'd think. You can see in the GTX460 overclocking thread in the nvidia forum how far they go; A LOT of people breaking 900mhz on air with no problem.

I don't think it'll make GTX470 owners cry or anything, but considering most of us expected a fully unlocked GF104 to be released as a GTX475 I'd be in shock if this thing doesn't run all over the GTX470(as well as the 6950). We'll know for sure next month.

[Solidus J2K]

If you compare the GTX460 SE (288 cores) vs GTX460 (336 cores), the difference is 48 cores and the performance difference is 15% more or less (SE version has low clocks, so, with the same clock as GTX460 1GB could be 13% o 12% slow).

The GTX560 could be 18% or 20% (high clocks) faster than GTX460 1GB so will pass the GTX470 and HD6870, and maybe match the HD6950, with OC will be more powerful, but the HD6950 with OC could match the HD6970 (same clocks).

[Pantsu]

You people really think Nvidia is so clairvoyant they could predict this scenario back before they taped out gf100? I think not.

The GTX 560 is at 6950 level at best, and I doubt the OC ability will be all that good if they clock it at 800+ Mhz. Of course it's a better product for Nvidia than GTX 460 was considering it's still the same size.

[Zloyd]

I think nvidia expected amd not to expect a card to top 480 so soon. So yea in that sense they knew amd were going to beat the 480 and they had to beat it by a good margin to hold the 500$ fastest single card position. amd probably expected a new top end card from nvidia maybe sometime late Q1 2011.

[saaya]

I think nvidia expected amd not to expect a card to top 480 so soon. So yea in that sense they knew amd were going to beat the 480 and they had to beat it by a good margin to hold the 500$ fastest single card position. amd probably expected a new top end card from nvidia maybe sometime late Q1 2011.

oh yeah, definitiely... and i cant believe amd was so arrogant and ignorant to assume nvidia would just stick its tail behind its legs and sit in the corner... i mean ffs, this is nvidia... they are VERY good at coming back once you place a nice hit on their head...

Check the review I linked, or pick one at random like I did for the sonic platinum or any other similarly clocked 460. Those lil chips fly when clocked like that.

As for how the GTX560 will clock, no one really knows that answer except NVidia; but if they got the GF110 treatment in terms of their new transistor method, then it should clock better than the GF104 I'd think. You can see in the GTX460 overclocking thread in the nvidia forum how far they go; A LOT of people breaking 900mhz on air with no problem.

I don't think it'll make GTX470 owners cry or anything, but considering most of us expected a fully unlocked GF104 to be released as a GTX475 I'd be in shock if this thing doesn't run all over the GTX470(as well as the 6950). We'll know for sure next month.

would be great but i dont think itll be a lot faster and cheaper than a 470...
and yes 460s fly when clocked high, so does any other card :P
and the 460 ocing a lot more than other cards is a myth seeded by nvidia, it actually only clocks a few percentage points higher than any other card.

except for the 6900 series, they dont seem to clock for SHT!
anyways, will the 560 replace the 470? theres no doubt about it... is there?
will the 560 beat the 470? definitely!
EDIT: will the 560 beat the 470 at high res and aa? i dont think so
will the 560 be cheaper? unlikely... 200$ is the lowest point i see for gf114 during its lifetime which is only 50$ below its launch price and a 470s current price.
so will the 560 have a better cp ratio than a 470? yes, but insignificantly...

and come on people, theres a lot of wishful thinking in this thread...
you really believe a fully enabled and well clocked gf104 (gf114) can match/beat a maxed out 470? the latest 470s beat 480s and 570s when maxed out so think again before you say yes...

cause a tweaked, boosted, overclocked 460 will rock, but it wont reach 480/570 performance...

then again, never say never... if it would, it would be damn impressive and i might actually get one

EDIT: think about it again, if a fully enabled well clocked 460 could beat and replace the 470, then why, i ask you, has nvidia not released such a card?
instead they kept the 460 castrated and lowered the price of the 470 to fill that segment, a part that costs them a lot more to make then a 460...

[trinibwoy]

if a fully enabled well clocked 460 could beat and replace the 470, then why, i ask you, has nvidia not released such a card?

They are releasing it, it's called the 560. The 460 will only be 6 months old at the rumoured 560 launch timeline somewhere in late Jan.

[saaya]

They are releasing it, it's called the 560. The 460 will only be 6 months old at the rumoured 560 launch timeline somewhere in late Jan.

well why didnt they release it months ago? they could have...

[Bowtie]

Looks like there will be a cluster of gpus all within ~10-15% of each other

[trinibwoy]

well why didnt they release it months ago? they could have...

Release what? A fully enabled GF104? How do you know they could have?

[Zloyd]

Looks like there will be a cluster of gpus all within ~10-15% of each other

But thats good in a way imo , it means that the VFM gpu's (570,6970,6950,6870 and inc 560) are all pretty damn close to the top end which is kinda nice. And with current SLI and Xfire numbers scaling so nicely 2 midrange gpu's provide really nice performance.

It makes 580 seem overpriced but maybe thats a little over reaction as well I mean it is the fastest thing out there and considering diminishing returns and all if you want that sorta power(epeen? ) you cough it up I guess.

I like how the situation is both are close to each other on pricing and performance no one is running away just, choose the flavor you want.

Now looking forward to the mad dual gpu wars on the horizon I think its gonna be like 4870x2 vs 295 !!!

[saaya]

Release what? A fully enabled GF104? How do you know they could have?

while i agree that yields might have been an issue, they definitely could have done a pr stunt with it... i mean look at the HUGE amount of 460s they sold, and how many of those were 256bit 460s and how few were 192bit 460s... that doesnt really look like bad yields, does it?

[Aten-Ra]

GTX560 is a $200-250 card and not meant to compete against HD6900 series, I’m sure NV will like to put it between HD6800 and HD6900 series (Performance and price).

[kuroikenshi]

You people really think Nvidia is so clairvoyant they could predict this scenario back before they taped out gf100? I think not.

The GTX 560 is at 6950 level at best, and I doubt the OC ability will be all that good if they clock it at 800+ Mhz. Of course it's a better product for Nvidia than GTX 460 was considering it's still the same size.

and since 6950 can be flashed to a full 6970.....

[96redformula]

and since 6950 can be flashed to a full 6970.....

Yeah, I just don't see this completing with a flashed 6950

[DilTech]

Yeah, I just don't see this completing with a flashed 6950

I don't think the GTX560 can take a 6970(it doesn't have to though), but we also don't know two things...

1.) How reliable the flash is. Most who have flashed here on XS have reported ATi tool gives artifacts(even though games don't, it's a sign), and flopper gets artifacts any time he enters 3d mode with his. It's definitely not sure-fire, but the results do look like a high percentage.

2.) We don't know if it'll only be the first batch, or if all shipments will remain that way. Could be like the GTX 465, where only certain batches unlock, or it could be like the old ATi 9500, where only certain PCB layouts unlock(and right now all seem to be that layout).

Add this to the fact that I HEAVILY doubt we'll see a bios for the 1gb 6950 to unlock(there are no plans for a 1gb 6970 at this time), and you'd realize that unless we see a price drop of the 2gb 6950 then they won't be on competing price levels anyway. I doubt they'd charge more than $249 for the GTX560(possibly even lower), which is lower than the estimated 6950 1gb price level. A non-unlockable 1gb 6950 isn't very likely to beat this thing.

[BababooeyHTJ]

I don't think the GTX560 can take a 6970(it doesn't have to though), but we also don't know two things...

1.) How reliable the flash is. Most who have flashed here on XS have reported ATi tool gives artifacts(even though games don't, it's a sign), and flopper gets artifacts any time he enters 3d mode with his. It's definitely not sure-fire, but the results do look like a high percentage.

Just google "6870 Atitool" there are other 6xxx series users reporting artifacts with ATItool. I wouldn't take it as a sign of instability. That is a four year old utility. Show me some Evga OC scanner, Gputool, or OCCT and I would take that a bit more seriously.

2.) We don't know if it'll only be the first batch, or if all shipments will remain that way. Could be like the GTX 465, where only certain batches unlock, or it could be like the old ATi 9500, where only certain PCB layouts unlock(and right now all seem to be that layout).

Add this to the fact that I HEAVILY doubt we'll see a bios for the 1gb 6950 to unlock(there are no plans for a 1gb 6970 at this time), and you'd realize that unless we see a price drop of the 2gb 6950 then they won't be on competing price levels anyway. I doubt they'd charge more than $249 for the GTX560(possibly even lower), which is lower than the estimated 6950 1gb price level. A non-unlockable 1gb 6950 isn't very likely to beat this thing.

I have my doubts that people will be unlocking these in the long term but who knows. Like you said I don't see this effecting a GTX470 replacement in the ~$250 pricepoint.

[kaktus1907]

according to nordichardware gtx 560 will be launched on january 25

[Olivon]

[LexDiamonds]

If those pictures are real, dual 6-pin connectors is certainly promising!

I would love to see 560s getting close to 1ghz on the core.. should bring them real close to a stock 570.