WoW on 3850 and 4970 experence

[mr2sw21]

I don't play WoW but one of my friend does.

He just upgrade from 3850 256mb to 4870 1GB
didn't mess with the setting yet but the FPS didn't change much only 1FPS improvement. I have read a lots of forums and some say turn off V sync off it iwll help some say no.
But I don't even know how to turn it on or off is not an option in the manual. Any advise?

Plus a lots of forums say Nvidia 9600 can play better than 4870. Does that mean my friend just wasted $160?

However, the most part I am not very happy about is from 3850 to 4870 and it didn't improve the game a lot only 1FPS that's not a good number. from 29FPS to 30FPS...... and he use 1600x900 with everything jsut set to mid range only. 30FPS is inside a city. Any advise I can get a better FPS besides buy another video card again?

Thanks,

[Zigosity]

I think (I played wow for a total of one day) that it's mostly lag due to his internet connection. Especially if he's experiencing it in cities. The game slows down like hell when it's loading and keeping track of all those players... I know I had visible stuttering with my rig, but only in crowded areas...

[killerxx7]

First of all wow is way more cpu intensive then gpu,second on high end gear all the lag you see is to do with your internet connection.

[Jamesrt2004]

lol and turn vsync of... vsync CAPS your FPS .. 4870 is way over twice as powerful as the 3850.. play a real game to actually see the differences.. a MMO in general doesnt count... apart from say AION or LOTRO as they are gpu intensive...

[Kenjiwing]

Hes more then likely cpu bottleneck on WoW

[YukonTrooper]

What CPU does he have and at what frequency?

[mr2sw21]

The CPU he got is E6750 @2.66 does WoW support quad core?
About the internet will it help if I forward his port?

By the way thanks for all the inputs everyone,

[mr2sw21]

The CPU he got is E6750 does WoW support quad core? Or let say at what level of a CPU needs to be then it won't be a bottleneck anymore? 3.0GHZ?
About the internet will it help if I forward his port?

By the way thanks for all the inputs everyone,

[mr2sw21]

I have checked the game requirement is not that much his machine is way above and beyond the recommend as well,
E6750 @2.66
4 GB ram Gskill 1000
4870 1GB
500 GB hard drive
P5kc mobo

Well if it is internet issue should he get a better internet card? or that won't matter?

[Zigosity]

Won't matter. It's something everyone has in wow, you can't fix it. Even people with blistering fast rigs have this problem. Just tell him to deal with it.

[mr2sw21]

I see, cause I feel bad for him after all the upgrade and it didn't help much. Hope there some patch WoW can come up with to solve the problem.

[Piotrsama]

Plus a lots of forums say Nvidia 9600 can play better than 4870.

The 4870 is way more powerful.
The people saying that are probably not very savvy.

However, the most part I am not very happy about is from 3850 to 4870 and it didn't improve the game a lot only 1FPS that's not a good number. from 29FPS to 30FPS...... and he use 1600x900 with everything jsut set to mid range only. 30FPS is inside a city.

With the 4870 he should be able to max every graphical setting for the game.
Tell him to improve them, so he'll get better image quality.
His CPU is good, I don't think that's the problem either.

As some guys suggested before, he might be experiencing lag, and confusing it with bad PC performance. Tell him to kill every other program that might be stealing his bandwidth. (Torrent, and those kind of programs). And make sure they aren't still running.

One thing more, tell him to enable triple buffering and google how to disable vsync on Wow. (I don't have WOW, so I can't tell where to look).

[zalbard]

WoW flies on 4GHz CPUs, GPU upgrades don't help much.

[NKrader]

i ran wow on full settings @1920x1200 with e5300 (dual 2.6) and a HD 4670 and got on average 40 not raids or dal of course those would go down to like 18-19

[YukonTrooper]

The CPU he got is E6750 @2.66 does WoW support quad core?

There definitely isn't full quad-core support for WoW. A quad-core isn't the fix, though. The fix is overclocking his E6750, as it has so much more potential than 2.66GHz. I remember seeing an article back in the G80 days which showed G80's being bottlenecked with anything less than C2D (E6750) @ 3.2GHz, so 2.66GHz with an HD4870 just isn't cutting it, especially considering WoW likes extra CPU cycles. Juice that chip to the 3.4GHz+ range and your friend will see some great gains.

[Mescalamba]

WoW is CPU/connection dependant. My FPS almost tripled when I bought i7 and overclocked that a bit.

[EniGmA1987]

Actually you can do something about it. Most people havent heard about these, or heard about them and wrote the cards off. But the network processing units from Killer are made for games like WoW. He will still be limited by his connection speed, and for that you have to upgrade that with your service provider. But the Killer NIC actually helps tremendously with WoW because it handles all network related events itself on its own dedicated processor, thus taking a good bit of load off the main CPU. It also bypasses the Windows network stack so it doesnt have to wait for retarded things from Windows before doing what it needs to. The Killer network card will improve your minimum FPS a good bit, and help in the cities, as well as on some of the bigger raids. overall if he is really into WoW, you should get one. Get the M1, or the Xeno Pro.
http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/killer-xeno-pro/


You can find the M1 for cheap on ebay (compared to what it used to sell for):
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bigfoot-networks...item27ae457b52

Or the Xeno Pro:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Visiontek-KILLER...item2c5281679a

[mr2sw21]

The 4870 is way more powerful.
The people saying that are probably not very savvy.



With the 4870 he should be able to max every graphical setting for the game.
Tell him to improve them, so he'll get better image quality.
His CPU is good, I don't think that's the problem either.

As some guys suggested before, he might be experiencing lag, and confusing it with bad PC performance. Tell him to kill every other program that might be stealing his bandwidth. (Torrent, and those kind of programs). And make sure they aren't still running.

One thing more, tell him to enable triple buffering and google how to disable vsync on Wow. (I don't have WOW, so I can't tell where to look).

Thanks Piotrsama, mind if you can give me some advise how to enable triple buffering, thanks

[Piotrsama]

Thanks Piotrsama, mind if you can give me some advise how to enable triple buffering, thanks

I just found an image that shows the options.


Tell him to play with Vsync and triple buffering and see what combination helps more.
Disabling both should give him the faster framerates, but enabling them will give him more fluent images. (I don't know if you can enable triple buff, and disable vsync, by the image looks like you can't. But I would try to).

Also remember to shut any other program that uses internet bandwidth (especially file sharing programs).

[v0dka]

Actually you can do something about it. Most people havent heard about these, or heard about them and wrote the cards off. But the network processing units from Killer are made for games like WoW. He will still be limited by his connection speed, and for that you have to upgrade that with your service provider. But the Killer NIC actually helps tremendously with WoW because it handles all network related events itself on its own dedicated processor, thus taking a good bit of load off the main CPU. It also bypasses the Windows network stack so it doesnt have to wait for retarded things from Windows before doing what it needs to. The Killer network card will improve your minimum FPS a good bit, and help in the cities, as well as on some of the bigger raids. overall if he is really into WoW, you should get one. Get the M1, or the Xeno Pro.
http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/killer-xeno-pro/


You can find the M1 for cheap on ebay (compared to what it used to sell for):
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bigfoot-networks...item27ae457b52

Or the Xeno Pro:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Visiontek-KILLER...item2c5281679a

lol what? Decreased ping maybe but no incrase in fps. Don't spread wrong advice.

For mr2sw21, you seriously need to overclock that cpu.

[zanzabar]

u also need to disable full screen glow effect and lvl of detail.

but wow is touchy depending on the server and the latency u can get a wide array of performance. especially with the old crowded servers that run at a lower tic than the newer ones or low load ones.

lol what? Decreased ping maybe but no incrase in fps. Don't spread wrong advice.

For mr2sw21, you seriously need to overclock that cpu.

for wow the fps is directly related to the ping and a dedicated nic helps but that big foot i will agree is a waste a cheap intel one works just as well. and that cpu also needs an oc anything under 3ghz will bottle neck the crap out of a modern gpu

[AndrewZorn]

Actually you can do something about it. Most people havent heard about these, or heard about them and wrote the cards off. But the network processing units from Killer are made for games like WoW. He will still be limited by his connection speed, and for that you have to upgrade that with your service provider. But the Killer NIC actually helps tremendously with WoW because it handles all network related events itself on its own dedicated processor, thus taking a good bit of load off the main CPU. It also bypasses the Windows network stack so it doesnt have to wait for retarded things from Windows before doing what it needs to. The Killer network card will improve your minimum FPS a good bit, and help in the cities, as well as on some of the bigger raids. overall if he is really into WoW, you should get one. Get the M1, or the Xeno Pro.
http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/killer-xeno-pro/


You can find the M1 for cheap on ebay (compared to what it used to sell for):
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bigfoot-networks...item27ae457b52

Or the Xeno Pro:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Visiontek-KILLER...item2c5281679a

wasnt going to post, but HAD TO to say wow this is stupid
it will not help
perfect example of stupid gaymen crap

agree with the internet lag thing
wow is not a performance benchmark
run some other program just to 'check' the computers performance but this sounds typical for an MMO

also, i have a 1991 mr2 turbo myself.

[mr2sw21]

I just found an image that shows the options.


Tell him to play with Vsync and triple buffering and see what combination helps more.
Disabling both should give him the faster framerates, but enabling them will give him more fluent images. (I don't know if you can enable triple buff, and disable vsync, by the image looks like you can't. But I would try to).

Also remember to shut any other program that uses internet bandwidth (especially file sharing programs).

thank you very much

[mr2sw21]

u also need to disable full screen glow effect and lvl of detail.

but wow is touchy depending on the server and the latency u can get a wide array of performance. especially with the old crowded servers that run at a lower tic than the newer ones or low load ones.



for wow the fps is directly related to the ping and a dedicated nic helps but that big foot i will agree is a waste a cheap intel one works just as well. and that cpu also needs an oc anything under 3ghz will bottle neck the crap out of a modern gpu

What is the best setting to get to 3GHZ casue I have tried to OC it to 3GHZ but the V of cpu, north and south bridges and ram when up at least 10 to 20% higher so I need to tune those Voltage to lower or is fine to leave them auto?

[zalbard]

There is also some option called "Reduce input lag" somewhere, it used to be a FPS killer, check it out.