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    700mhz wall on HD4850 is smashed.

    First a disclaimer:

    I am offering this info to help, there is alot of risk involved with the solution I have found.





    OK where to start, I have been searching high and low for a way to get past the 700mhz "wall" that is imposed by CCC. currently there is only 1 known tool that can clock a 4XXX series GPU beyond 700mhz it is the AMD GPU TOOL, however the edition that is needed for HD48XX's is not publicly available ..yet.

    I have been in contact with lots of people who have worked very hard on this issue, and most don't even have a card to test with , so I have been their Guinnea pig , so to speak.

    I tried all of the usual suspects and found none able to raise the speeds properly. I even flashed bios's repeatedly with no change.Then W1zzard put me in contact with BAGZZlash, who is an author of RBE. or Radeon Bios Editor. I had tried it several times and while it could identify and modify the bios's it would not take effect once flashed to the card.

    Today BAGZZlash and I chatted on MSN Messenger and he asked me to change all of the clockss in the settings tab, which I did (2-d as well as 3-d). and It worked!!! I have had many issues throughout the day with it but the flashing and changing has been easy. the hard part is the fact that once you raise the voltage the lack of powerplay rears it's head. I was experiencing graphics corruption, reboots etc. all after sucessfully completing a bench. when it is time for the driver to drop back to 2-d it doesn't like the core being so high.

    750mhz needs about 1.35v or more to pass crysis bench, also the 3DMark stuff. but Grid was fine with less voltage. at 800 it can run the benches but when it ends the screen gets corrupted......scary, if you've ever lost a card you'll know what I mean. and to get 800 I needed 1.5v which I believe is the reason for the 4870 using a higher quality power circuit.

    Water cooling is a must for this procedure. these little buggers get hot, and increasing the voltage makes them immediately unstable unless you can keep them cool. I am using Danger Den Maze 4's and a d-5 pump along with a 120.2 rad all in my case. they fit fine just like the 3850's, the shim is not an issue for these and most common blocks.

    I'd like to keep this thread for people to post up their findings. we will soon have software to clock with but in the mean time this is it. and it has risks involved. make sure you have a way to flash back in case you get a corrupted flash or something is set too high.

    this thread is useless without pics so here is one, keep in mind this is not a great score, no tweaks just raw clocks. I am on a very bloated install of XP while I do my testing,The best I will save for HWBOT..

    [IMG][/IMG]

    so basically here is the procedure:

    1. save your original bios. GPU-Z is what I used to extract the bios. I make several copies including 1 I saved on a flashdrive.
    2. open the bios file with RBE. then mod all of the clocks in the clocks tab (obviously not all need modded but it is what it took for mine to work.) this thread is to find out which ones will need to be changed and which won't!. I CAN ONLY TEST SO FAST BUT WITH SEVERAL OF US WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO NAIL THIS DOWN SOON.
    3. save the file after it is modded.
    4. Use winflash to flash the newly modded bios, reboot and test.

    This is still in the trial and error stage, please don't flash unless you are aware of the risks. I appologize in advance if anyone damages their card attempting this.

    I debated on wether or not to post this without having the bugs ironed out, but I knew that many testers would be better than just one.


    Here is what you will need:

    GPU-Z 0.2.4 : http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/SysInfo/GPU-Z/

    K404's volt mod thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=190990

    RBE , latest: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/Utilities/RBE/old/

    winflash latest : http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...h_2.0.1.1.html

    Many thanks to W1zzard , Crackerjack, BAGZZlash, K404 and I know I am forgetting some but I can edit them in later
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    Thanks again for the good work and findings. Perhaps someone will find a way to lock voltages without powerplay kicking in so you can operate in 3D Voltages all the time and won't experience that corruption issue. I know Rivatuner does this as soon as you change the clockspeed with the 3870, but unforutunately it will not be updated until towards the end of July according to Unwinder. Can't wait to see some more benches @ 750MHz core, so we'll know just how much memory bandwidth improves things on the 4870.

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    absolutely amazed, thankyou for your hard work...

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    Glad to see a hack is available, next up will be getting those 2D and 3D clocks to work. Wonder what it'll take to break the 1GHz barrier..

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    well im on x64 and winflash does not work.

    so i tried atiflash. i get an error and says no adaptor found. =\ i shall try more..

    and jimmyz a big :up to you and thanks..

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    ok so if your runing x64 use 2.0.0.7 it will work..... i still have to flash though.

    EDIT:
    ok i have some good news and some bad news. i will start with the bad DONT USE WINFLASH!!!!!! ed the card... BUT i found that 3.59 of atiflash works perfect.. got the card alive again... so flash away safely..
    http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...lash_3.59.html

    EDIT 2: ok i had to change allmy clocks in RBE before it actually worked. i will start over on a new bios to try some more combos..... 720 mhz core 1.2v 3d03 47.9k 4.4ghz cpu just keeping an update for u all..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miwo View Post
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    Thanks again for the good work and findings. Perhaps someone will find a way to lock voltages without powerplay kicking in so you can operate in 3D Voltages all the time and won't experience that corruption issue. I know Rivatuner does this as soon as you change the clockspeed with the 3870, but unforutunately it will not be updated until towards the end of July according to Unwinder. Can't wait to see some more benches @ 750MHz core, so we'll know just how much memory bandwidth improves things on the 4870.
    mine is hard modded, I did both cards. I hard mod the voltages when i fix up a card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyz View Post
    First a disclaimer:

    Today BAGZZlash and I chatted on MSN Messenger and he asked me to change all of the clockss in the settings tab, which I did (2-d as well as 3-d). and It worked!!! I have had many issues throughout the day with it but the flashing and changing has been easy. the hard part is the fact that once you raise the voltage the lack of powerplay rears it's head. I was experiencing graphics corruption, reboots etc. all after sucessfully completing a bench. when it is time for the driver to drop back to 2-d it doesn't like the core being so high.


    mine is hard modded, I did both cards. I hard mod the voltages when i fix up a card.
    I know that you have your card vmodded, i have been following your threads very closely . Let me try to explain where I am coming from on the 2D-3D Voltages part since I have a vmodded 3870 that should behave similarly in a sense.

    If the 4850 behaves any similarly, when you measure vGPU when you are out of windows, say in your BIOS.... you are actually reading the 3D Voltages, 1.35v in your case. When you get into Windows, you get a voltage drop because it is in 2D mode.

    Now from what you wrote in your first post, your 2D/3D clocks are both the same. So when you drop out of 3DMark, you are still at the same freqency, but under lower voltages. Thats probably why you have the corruption.

    On my RV670, powerplay becomes permanently disabled as soon as the slightest clock change is made from Rivatuner. It will be in 3D Voltage all the time and remain in 3D Clocks. That is why I made the comment on locking down voltages. Even if you have it hardmodded, you still experience the voltage drop in 2D. Again, I do not have a RV770 card yet, but since the 4850 shares the same PCB and Powerplay is behaving in a similar fashion, it sounds like the problem you are running into. And of course, we dont have Rivatuner this time around yet

    Keep up the great work
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    ...I completed the crysis bench at 1.38v 810mhz...and can get 750mhz stable with only 1.23v. I'm using the stock cooler as well. I don't know if you got a bad card? Or I got a good one or what? I have been adjusting voltage with a pencil mod btw, not through the bios as the hex values did not make sense to me.


    Last edited by gurusan; 06-25-2008 at 06:52 AM.
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    cant wait to get home from work. all i want to do is play with the card.. this s1 is going to love more heat. 41c load with 1.2v

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurusan View Post
    ...I completed the crysis bench at 1.38v 810mhz...and can get 750mhz stable with only 1.23v. I'm using the stock cooler as well. I don't know if you got a bad card? Or I got a good one or what? I have been adjusting voltage with a pencil mod btw, not through the bios as the hex values did not make sense to me.
    Do you lose the 2D/3D frequency switching when you flash the bios ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by albon View Post
    Do you lose the 2D/3D frequency switching when you flash the bios ?
    no. I edited the tables manually with a hex editor and flashed with atiflash though
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    But you edited only the 3D clocks, right ?
    I'm asking this because the newest official bios for 4850 makes it run cooler in 2D mode with 160/500 frequencies, so keeping the ability to switch to these on idle is quite important to me.

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    160/500?

    Mine is 500/750 core/mem in 2d mode. I am using the asus bios, but my HIS bios is the same as well.
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    You didnt answer to my question
    Some MSI cards have newer bios, you need 8.6 hotfix aswell to have these lower frequencies kick in in 2D.
    http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/i...ace=&memSize=0

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    yes i only edited the 3d clocks...and I have the same bios version as the msi bios (the HIS one on the techpowerup database is mine, and I am using the Asus one from there as well)
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    If you mod the newer bios, could you post it here pls
    And about your pencil mod, why is there a 100k resistor to solder? I don't understand, do I have to both solder a resistor and shade 2 contact points?

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    I re-used the hardmod drawing...so you only need to pencil, no soldering.

    And why don't you try editing the MSI bios yourself with the RBE tool ?
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    Problem is I got no spare card to flash back in case of problem

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    hello everybody i'm new here
    hey I see someone overclocks 4850 with stock cooler
    how do you do that? all I see is 80 degrees celcius after doing devil may cry 4 benchmark so I think it wouldn't be possible

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    Slow down guys, give me a chance to get some cards

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurusan View Post
    yes i only edited the 3d clocks...and I have the same bios version as the msi bios (the HIS one on the techpowerup database is mine, and I am using the Asus one from there as well)
    ASUS bios is from me I'm using MSI 011.004 but on stock volts I can't even do 670MHz, I get lots of driver crashes. How far can you go on stock volts?
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    680 for me, now 700 with pencilmod without any issues and fan set to 49&#37; (<74&#176;C on crysis benchmark)

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    keep it up guys, the HD4850 is looking more promising over the HD4870
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