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    AMD K11 Rundown "Bazooka"

    "As the well-informed colleagues of Planet3DNow! Learn, AMD will successor at K10 (we think K11) to the basic design of the AMD K6 back. Short memory or to those who are too young to recall to the K6. The AMD K6 was mid to late 90s manufactured, had one of the highest IPC (to a good efficiency per clock) of all x86 CPUs and AMD was already a big step further in the world market.

    Who is now something about wondering why a man about 10 years old design again wants to be the one recalled. Intel Core2 processors are based fundamentally on the Pentium III, of course, were the latest techniques (command sets, etc.) are inserted and bottlenecks eliminated.

    The big advantage of the K6 was only 6 classify long pipeline, an intelligent Branch-Predictor and then times very large TLB. After parts of the slow-speed FPU, and a very bad / slow connection to the infrastructure and bad Taktbarkeit. Therefore, the K6 also often its performance is not off, as simply too little data to the CPU came. But enough of the K6

    By HT3.0, the problem with the connection already been solved and things FPU AMD has also made great progress, and problems resolved Speed Path = higher stroke. That would be the biggest weaknesses remedied, but still much to do. Of course, even at K11 new command sets (by SSE to SSE5, X86-64, etc.) to use new manufacturing processes (45nm SOI based on germanium), a 512Bit connected with, and with full CPU operated 256KB L2 cache, and 8MB L3 cache to .

    Since the times of K6 from 250nm to 180nm manufacturing processes, is the number of transistors also quite small. Thus, a K11 core merely 24Mio transistors (to just 5 mm &#178, to come across yet IMC CPU, Northbridge, and the 8MB shared L3 cache. For comparison, a recent AMD K8 dual core with 2x 512KB cache has 184MIo transistors.Some are perhaps already on this, which I also would like to.

    AMD is in a position many nuclei at K6 usual small TDP to a very small area DIE-to get. The CPU is therefore very cheap to produce and is only about 90Watt unter Volllast aller 16 Kerne benötigen. 90Watt under full load of 16 cores. A dual-core for mobile applications to be easily 10Watt coming!

    This allows AMD to offer low cost many models, and a large part of the market covered. The clock rates should begin to lie about 2Ghz, later. All the fun will begin at the end of 2009. Incidentally, the new AMD core landed on the name "Bazooka". Even by the Swift M CPUs known space is used. It is also the integration of GPU cores, etc. At the conclusion that even the mention everything but still more unconfirmed rumors. However, Planet3DNow! Not really known for false reports and the information sounds realistic. And now, a comparison of the old K6 III and the planned K11, and an AMD slide."

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    source in German, http://www.ati-forum.de/general/news...6-zur%C3%BCck/

    first pic is K6, second is K11 and last is Desgin
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    My brain hurts now.... Someone please translate to proper english for us?

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    It's already april 3 here...


    Why K11? Why not K6×2=K12

    Strange concept... worked for intel, but they just based it off an old chip,
    and not multiplied it by 16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeywoman View Post
    However, Planet3DNow! Not really known for false reports and the information sounds realistic. And now, a comparison of the old K6 III and the planned K11, and an AMD slide."
    It was written on 1.April.

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    Wait.. seriously? So basically we are looking at a 45nm K6 core times 6 and mashed together with an IMC? Are we also looking at 600MHz operating speed? Seriously I hope this is a killer chip, but something in the back of my head is going "bad idea is bad"

    edit: damnit, I thought we were done with April Fool's. There goes my hope for something not based on Phenom.

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    The first post at that link was made on April first. i Think that's the only line of text matters.
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    just because it was written on april 1st doesn't mean its fake. look at the pics, looks like some time was put into them. this could work. done at 45nm and having each chip running at 1Ghz would be fast. amd doesn't have much bottle neck because of their hyper transport bus...looks plausable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Entity_Razer View Post
    My brain hurts now.... Someone please translate to proper english for us?
    edit: LOL, nevermind.
    April Fools' prank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeywoman View Post
    just because it was written on april 1st doesn't mean its fake.
    Even the OP says later on that it was an Aprilscherz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank M View Post
    Even the OP says later on that it was an Aprilscherz
    i'm trying to be optimistic here
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    Damn you! Here i thought i was getting a genius breakdown on processors
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    Hehe even the name Bazooka made me think april 1.

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    even though its an april fools joke, $5 says that if amd actually went back towards the k6 design and made the world's smallest 16 core cpu with a decent ipc, they would make far more than they ever will with phenom simply because the general market would be dumb enough to think a piece of crap 16 core cpu would be better than a monster 4 core cpu. Not to mention 5mm^2 is damn cheap to produce
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliG View Post
    the general market would be dumb enough to think a piece of crap 16 core cpu
    Gee I dunno, the Core uArch seems to be doing just fine while it's based
    on a piece of crap P!!!...
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    The Current Phenom traces its routes back to the original Athlon, and if I remember correctly, the Athlon shares some technology with the DEC Alpha.

    I did have a few K6-1s, they were alright CPUs. I heard the later K6-3s that had onboard L2 cache weren't actually that bad, but the K6's pathetic FPU is what limited it.
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    in theory, it could work.. in theory... ^^
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    Someone forward this to AMD please, I bet we'll see this soon
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    Seems like April Fools to me. There's no way a 1GHZ processor can keep up with the upcoming 3-4ghz Intels. But the idea is plausible I guess. Take something that's higher IPC and tweak it from there. If it has higher IPC than today's Phenom, and somehow they get it up to 2.5ghz or even 3ghz like the B3 Phenoms, then it could work.

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    I love how going from K10 -> K6+++ is theoretically an improvement....

    someone please close this, it's going to get old hearing about this for the next year.
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    I can't believe people are seriously thinking this could be true...
    SNAP OUT OF IT!

    I'm not even going to post the links to the AMD Analyst Day PDFs they photochopped as this prank is so obvious.
    You were not supposed to see this.

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    IT IS A JOKE! IT IS NOT TRUE!

    see here:
    http://www.planet3dnow.de/cgi-bin/ne...?id=1207071917

    Unsere Lesen haben es natürlich schnell bemerkt: die heutige Meldung AMD greift beim Phenom-Nachfolger auf K6 Design-Elemente zurück war nur ein Gedankenspiel unsererseits. Dennoch darf AMD "unsere" CPU in der Mittagspause gerne mal probeweise nachbauen, um zu sehen welches Potenzial in diesem 16-K6-Cores-mit-Phenom-Infrastruktur-Verschnitt steckt Mit Planet 3DNow! Aprilscherzen muss man ohnehin vorsichtig sein wie Stammleser wissen, denn unser 2004er Aprilscherz AMD Ultron64 "Dual-Core" wurde anderthalb Jahre später ebenso Realität, wie es der Aprilscherz Barcelona mit integrierter R600 Grafik in abgewandelter Form beim Swift werden wird. Daher liebe K6-User: die Shugashack-DLLs für Quake III noch nicht wegwerfen, die braucht Ihr vielleicht nochmal
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    at this stage id say there are only vague ideas about this cpu in the heads of some people at amd... so this is pretty much just marketing...

    and it sounds really boring to be honest...

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    BUT: P3DNow´s april fools joke 2004 was a dual-core K8 which became reality, the also had a GPU+CPU "fusion" last year as a prank and it´ll become soon real too.
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    Not to mention that the architecture that was just describes sounds exactly like the Nehalem architecture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardrail View Post
    Not to mention that the architecture that was just describes sounds exactly like the Nehalem architecture.

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