New 120.4 rad - Black Ice GTX480

**andersson.j** · 10-06-2006, 01:37 PM

Nokytech recently published pictures of hwlabs new 4x120 rad.

The sad thing is that it probably doesn't perform much better than a ThermoChill PA120.2!

Or will the increased thickness improve performance? Maybe this rad is a killer with four deltas?

Time will tell.

**creidiki** · 10-06-2006, 01:41 PM

With the pressure-drop BIGTs cause already... plus its thicker. I wouldnt hold my breath, especially as it still looks to be 30fpi like normal GTs...

**WeStSiDePLaYa** · 10-06-2006, 01:51 PM

lets just say this is what is going to be required if you wanna watercool next gen gpu's in SLI or crossfire.

**safan80** · 10-06-2006, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

lets just say this is what is going to be required if you wanna watercool next gen gpu's in SLI or crossfire.

I just built a second water loop. it improved both graphics and cpu temps.

**ferrari_freak** · 10-06-2006, 02:07 PM

120.3 is already considered major overkill, how do you think this won't? Another thing, the BIGT's already perform to inferior to the PA series that this still won't beat a PA120.3.

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

**Clay** · 10-06-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by ferrari_freak

120.3 is already considered major overkill, how do you think this won't? Another thing, the BIGT's already perform to inferior to the PA series that this still won't beat a PA120.3.

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

It does look to be about as thick as a PA don't it? If that's gotta' high fin count that'll be 1 loud computer. I wonder how restrictive it is as far as the water throughput goes. Someone is gonna' have to test it against the PA.
But even if it is better than a PA120.3. I'm sure ThermalChill can simply give us a PA120.4. Should the need arise. Though myself I really don't need a bigger rad right now. I'm very very happy with my PA. I really don't see how very many rads can match it. But still I could be wro....wr... er' a Oh well...LOL

**FLB** · 10-06-2006, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by creidiki

With the pressure-drop BIGTs cause already... plus its thicker. I wouldnt hold my breath, especially as it still looks to be 30fpi like normal GTs...

24 channels would make this rad have a lower internal pressure drop than the GT. The reason all the black ice rads that radical53 tested had the same pressure drop is mostly because of the barbs, which makes me wonder if all the rads tested had the same i.d. barbs

In an actual complete system you would hardly notice the difference in flow between the black ice and the Pa rads

**creidiki** · 10-06-2006, 04:52 PM

No, they werent, PAs are threaded for G3/8.

In any case, looking at the other images it definitely seems to be 30fpi like the BIGT. You dont need to be a genius to see where that is going, with ragards to backpressure on fans and what kind of CFM/static pressure you'll need to make these perform decently.

If I get one of these and slap something say.. above 130CFM I can beat a PAs performance? Where do I sign up...

I hope someone does a test of high-CFM rads sometimes soon after these are out - looks pointedly @ Radical - so that we have the final word on the relative positions of BIX, HE and BIGTX.

**~~septim~~** · 10-06-2006, 08:34 PM

well if someone volunteers to foot the bill and send one to Radical_53 i'am sure he'll gladly tested it for us...

**eXa** · 10-07-2006, 03:22 AM

well with eight panaflo M1 this should cool pretty well. but id like to se wich case that can mount thos internaly...

*What? cant hear you*

**Clay** · 10-07-2006, 08:20 AM

I'm sure radical used barbs that were consistant with each other.
By eyeballin' it,this rad does look like it is designed to compete directly with the PA's as far as the hydrodymamic's go.(It nice and fat,LOL) 8 fans would make a big diff. A server cube about 21" tall. Someone posted a cube up elsewhere that it would fit in easy.(I'd have to dig it up) HWlabs might just send radical 1 if he's got time to test it for us. This forum does carry alotta' weight when it comes sellin' products to overclockers who want the best stuff they can get.
So if they got winner they just might.send him 1.I've been readin' up here along time before I ever joined. And alot of my buy's are based on the general consenus from this forum.(I just don't post alot.)

**creidiki** · 10-07-2006, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by eXa

well with eight panaflo M1 this should cool pretty well. but id like to se wich case that can mount thos internaly...

*What? cant hear you*

Yes, with 8 SanAces you might just beat a PA120.3... but then the fans will push the cost above that of a PA120.3 w. 3 YLs >.>

**Clay** · 10-07-2006, 08:49 AM

But that's alot of money and alot more werk makes it more complicated. For my use I don't think I'd see much of a diff.(None)

**Thomas FJ** · 10-07-2006, 11:22 AM

Well, let's look at the facts and don't draw conclusions on speculations...

What do you currently know about the GTX? Zip.

What do you assume? Too much!

Come on guys, you are better than that!
/Thomas

**n00b 0f l337** · 10-07-2006, 11:26 AM

Personally I'd only get this if I wanted complete silence, in which case I'd throw on 8 yate loons 7volted.

**eXa** · 10-07-2006, 01:24 PM

pa would beat it in both performance and silence. this rad with its thickness and fpi would brickwall the fans. so pa120.3 would be much better for ya. for everyone really.

**JoeBar** · 10-07-2006, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337

Personally I'd only get this if I wanted complete silence, in which case I'd throw on 8 yate loons 7volted.

And why not get a PA120.3 and just 3 yates...?

I doubt that this rad is made for a "complete silent" setup. My

**afireinside** · 10-07-2006, 01:49 PM

If you wanted COMPLETE silence you'd just get a PA120.3 with yates @ 3v or something retarded since yateloons are dead silent and push no air @ 12v anyway. Yates can't even get air through my BIP3, good luck with this GTX thing. OR just get a 20 gallon bucket.

**~~freecableguy~~** · 10-07-2006, 02:02 PM

wow, good luck fitting that somewhere...

**JoeBar** · 10-07-2006, 02:05 PM

In my opinion it's selling point will be the "xtreme" factor and aesthetics (of course it going to be an external mount) rather than pure performance.

It will be a good choice for deaf oc'ers also...

**NickS** · 10-07-2006, 02:15 PM

I'm still trying to think of a case where this would fit on top.. lol

Stacker MAYBE?

**JoeBar** · 10-07-2006, 02:19 PM

Are u talking about internal mount?

**exhausted mule** · 10-07-2006, 02:29 PM

the length of that rad is exactly the length of the top of my armor. (where i was going to position either a gts3 or pa120.3)

looking forward to reviews/comments/availability numbers.

**eXa** · 10-07-2006, 02:43 PM

Maybe Sc4mpi`s coolermaster s4000 sx1 would fit it?

**creidiki** · 10-07-2006, 02:45 PM

Probably, that case looks like a freight train w. the way its so tall and yet so much longer O.O

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