SSD Write Endurance 25nm Vs 34nm

[bluestang]

Any interest in testing a modified Crucial M225 64GB???
I have one that had about 3 months of use before I pulled it from my home system (was with another one in RAID0). It had a couple hundred GB of use on it I believe (definitely under 1TB and also was at 98-99% life) when pulled. I then flashed it to a Vertex Turbo. Why?, cuz I wanted to know if it could be done and why not? The flash was destructive and reset everything and also no longer say Crucial M225.

It's been sitting around for about 6-7 weeks since the OCZ flash. I'm not as savy as you guys so I'm not sure it has enough smart data. Plus it might burn up too soon since the controller and NAND are running at higher than rated speed. But, I'd be willing to toss it on my work PC as a spare drive and let it run. The problem I see having is that I'm running XP, so NO TRIM, only GC to rely on or the Wiper Tool.

Don't forget that even though it says OCZ Vertex Turbo it is a Crucial M225. Let me know what you guys think.

EDIT: Controller is Indilinx Barefoot IDX110M00-LC, Cache is Elpida 64MG SDRAM S51321CBH-6DTT-F and NAND is Samsung K9LBG08U0M-PCB0.

Started running Avil's app today @ 12:00 GMT-5 on this drive.
You guys want me to post daily results in here?

[sergiu]

Any results would be welcome! I am eager to find out how an older generation SSD stands against the new ones.

[Anvil]

Sure, just post your results here!

[bluestang]

Will do tomorrow!

[Vapor]

Got some baseline info so I can things started in the spreadsheet?

[bluestang]

Got some baseline info so I can things started in the spreadsheet?

Sure...

[Vapor]

Alright, I'll track: C7, Host writes; D1, Remaining Drive Life (equiv. MWI); D0, Average Erase Count (equiv. raw wear indicator); CF, Maximum Erase Count; C4, Erase Failure Block Count (seems to be indicative of reallocated sectors on my drive, hopefully it is with yours).

I'll call it "M225->Vertex Turbo 64GB" and will need the average speed reported from Anvil's App after a few hours and then you should be all set....for future reports you can either do a screenshot or post the values that are tracked (probably best to do a screenshot initially in case I'm wrong about C4 and if the other values move in interesting ways ).

[bulanula]

You see it really is a balancing act. The old SSDs had old algorithms and old 50nm NAND with loads of cycles to burn through while the new SSDs have better algorithms and less endurant 25nm NAND. One would expect to see both these types last the same because of the compromises made in each case etc. Imagine a SSD with 50nm NAND and a new modern controller !

[B.A.T]

M4 update:

175.3810 TiB
587 hours
Avg speed 88.74 MiB/s.
AD gone from 0 to 254.
P/E 3063.
MD5 OK.

Strange development really. AD as gone from 0 to 254. CA has gone from 1 to 254 and CDI reports good health status. Mayby the M4 is hidding something from me.

[Anvil]

BAT, unexpected indeed.

Could you change back to Hex and post a screenshot, it might just be an issue with CDI.

CA looks correct though, 102% indicates that you are on overtime, showing "Good" is a bug though

[sergiu]

Strange development really. AD as gone from 0 to 254. CA has gone from 1 to 254 and CDI reports good health status. Mayby the M4 is hidding something from me.

Well, you behaved like a nice customer with alot of needs from writing perspective, so probably it decided to give you credit for a few more months to make you happy

Ontopic: If there is no displaying issue, then is probably just a nice bug regarded to the way this is decremented (a fanatic OOP programmer who just hate "if" statements).

[Anvil]

196.04TB Host writes
Reallocated sector count : 6

MD5 OK, 34.92MiB/s on avg (25.25 hours)

[B.A.T]

BAT, unexpected indeed.

Could you change back to Hex and post a screenshot, it might just be an issue with CDI.

CA looks correct though, 102% indicates that you are on overtime, showing "Good" is a bug though

Here is a screenshot with hex

Well, you behaved like a nice customer with alot of needs from writing perspective, so probably it decided to give you credit for a few more months to make you happy

Ontopic: If there is no displaying issue, then is probably just a nice bug regarded to the way this is decremented (a fanatic OOP programmer who just hate "if" statements).

Always nice to get more for free

There has been no other indications of something wrong with the m4 you guys are probably right.

[One_Hertz]

253.5TB. 33 reallocated sectors. That value which I believe to be the drive wear is 126.

[Vapor]

C300 Update

121.79TiB, 59 MWI, 2058 raw wear, 2048/1 reallocation, 61.95MiB/sec (116hrs average), MD5 OK.

[bluestang]

M225->Vertex Turbo 64GB Update:

Sorry it took so long to update, I fighting a redirect/advert trojan I can't seem to get rid of
Had to stop Anvil's app for about 4 hours this morning, Restarted and running now.

2.81TiB, MWI 98, 111 Raw Wear, 37.99MiB/s

I feel lack of TRIM is killing it.



Looks like I would need to stop every 5 loops to run wiper tool to get some good avg speeds, but wouldn't that hurt the drive wear as well???

[uzbuk]

Nice! Thanks for posting the pictures.

So, 40GB, 80GB, and 120GB Intel 320 models all have 8GiB of flash for parity. The 160GB model has 16GiB, 300GB has 20GiB, 600GB has 40GiB for parity.

It is also interesting that the only 320 models that have flash on the back of the circuit board are the 160GB and 600GB models.

Hello tech guys. I am happy to find so many knowledgeable people in the same place.

I have two queries. it would be nice to have your replies on these matters.
1. Query of purpose: I have an Asus x51H notebook with 80GB SATA HDD from Hitachi. I do not know what kind of SATA port is that; I rpesume SATA 2. Now, I want to replace that with an Intel SSD 120GB or 160GB (depends on price lowering in the next two months). As this model of llaptop is very rarely covered by online resources, i am having a hard time figuring out what i can add and what i can't. i really need to know if these SSDs are compatible with my notebook.
** I use Win XP only. i won't switch to Win 7 even if someone pays me 100 bucks.

2. Query of curiosity: since i was a kid, whenever i see some empty place for a microchip on a circuit board, i always wonder if i solder one of those chips in the empty spaces, will the capacity go up? like in the case of the 80GB SSD board. just curious.

[Vapor]

M225->Vertex Turbo 64GB Update:

Sorry it took so long to update, I fighting a redirect/advert trojan I can't seem to get rid of
Had to stop Anvil's app for about 4 hours this morning, Restarted and running now.

2.81TiB, MWI 98, 111 Raw Wear, 37.99MiB/s

I feel lack of TRIM is killing it.



Looks like I would need to stop every 5 loops to run wiper tool to get some good avg speeds, but wouldn't that hurt the drive wear as well???

I'd err on the side of not doing anything, but I guess do what you would do with it in normal use, if you can.

I don't know how wiper works...is it TRIM retrofitted for Indilinx?

Forgot to ask this earlier: what do you have in terms of static data? johnw, B.A.T, and I all have ~39GiB of static data on our 64GB drives and leave 12GiB free via Anvil's app. You can use Anvil's app to make the static data by killing it from Task Manager when the counter gets up to 39GiB, rename the TEST folder, and then restart the app like nothing ever happened.

[bluestang]

32.8GB static, 26.7GB free, and 12GB left free via Anvi's app.

Wiper is an Indilinx Tool for user initiated Garbage Collection.

[bulanula]

IMHO for this test it is best to use Windows 7 or Linux as they support TRIM and the 1916 or similar latest Indilinx firmware otherwise the test would be pretty much unrealistic and meaningless to most people. I expect the drive to last less than 10 TB because the Indilinx drives have an older algo which has high write amplification.

[Vapor]

32.8GB static, 26.7GB free, and 12GB left free via Anvi's app.

Wiper is an Indilinx Tool for user initiated Garbage Collection.

Looked into Wiper and it is just a retrofitted and manually activated TRIM. If you feel you would run it every TB or so in real life, then do that

32.8GB static is close enough to what the rest of us with 64GB are doing, and a far cry from an empty drive.

IMHO for this test it is best to use Windows 7 or Linux as they support TRIM and the 1916 or similar latest Indilinx firmware otherwise the test would be pretty much unrealistic and meaningless to most people. I expect the drive to last less than 10 TB because the Indilinx drives have an older algo which has high write amplification.

WA to date is only ~2.4x on the Indilinx, but it is very early to declare it so low (at an even later point in the test, the Samsung's was 'only' 3.5x). At the current rate, the M225->Vertex Turbo is slated to last 144TiB. While a 50x WA would be interesting to see, doesn't look like we will with the M225->Vertex Turbo.

Charts next post....new color scheme out of necessity, charts look very different now (sort of ran out of colors).

[Vapor]

Charts Updated

Like I said, new color scheme. Intels are blue, Crucials are red, SandForces are green; newer/bigger within each color gets darker shades. Purple/aqua/orange are for Samsung 470, M225->Vertex Turbo, and whatever gets added later; each color can also be split for multiple shades later if needed.

Host Writes So Far






Normalized Writes So Far
The SSDs are not all the same size, these charts normalize for available NAND capacity.






Write Days So Far
Not all SSDs write at the same speed, these charts factor out write speeds and look at endurance as a function of time.






Host Writes vs. NAND Writes and Write Amplication
Based on reported or calculated NAND cycles from wear SMART values divided by total writes.

[B.A.T]

M4 update:

181.5208 TiB
607 hours
Avg speed 88.74 MiB/s.
AD gone from 254 to 251.
P/E 3171.
MD5 OK.
Still no reallocated sectors

[Vapor]

Double C300 Update

Last night just before I went to bed:
124.23TiB, 58 MWI, 2100 raw wear, 2048/1 reallocation, 61.9MiB/sec, MD5 OK

Just now:
127.213TiB, 57 MWI, 2150 raw wear, 2048/1 reallocation, 61.95MiB/sec, MD5 OK


Got the SF-1200 60GB with no LTT in my hands today Will post the intake screenshot and info then it's onto some compression tests then when that's done it's back to the endurance testing here

[Vapor]

SF-1200 nLTT 60GB intake benchmarks and SMART:

SMART:


0-fill Anvil Benchmark:


46% Comp. Anvil Benchmark:


101% Comp. Anvil Benchmark:


AS-SSD:




Will be running with 35.9GiB of static data (from the 46% compression setting) and 12GB free. Not sure if I'll use 46%, 67%, or a no dedup variety of those for the actual testing.

Onto compression testing now, though

Also of note, I lost the extra (F2-F8) SMART values from the C300 when I started back up....I must have done some debug sequence to get them before