AMD Trinity (Piledriver) Outperforms Bulldozer -

[god_43]

Performance of AMD’s upcoming Trinity APU’s (Accelerated Processing Units) have been unveiled, Preliminary results show that the Trinity APU’s which feature upto four x86 Cores based on the latest Piledriver architecture have better Integer and Floating-Point performance compared to Bulldozer at same clock speeds.

The results gathered by Citavia pit the desktop A10-5800K and Mobile A8-4500M and a few other APU’s against some of the recently released Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge processors. The benchmarks used were mostly Single Threaded which give a more fair idea of the Single core performance increase. Compared to Bulldozer FX-8150, The A10-5800K at same clock of 4.2GHz pumps out an average 10% increase while the mobile parts show upto 20% core performance increase.

http://wccftech.com/amd-trinity




ooooo nice!

[Sparky]

I'm going to be "that guy" and say that it had better outperform Bulldozer or there would be no point to it

[AliG]

If this is actually true, a solid 10% increase in integer performance will put it close to what BD should have been in the first place. Not great improvement, but certainly good and a sign that they are moving in the right direction.

[tbone8ty]

still clock scaling is not that great versus stars cores.

but we will see soon enough as this is just rumored and not a complete picture.

i wanna see power consumption with new clock meshing thing they are working on

[G.Foyle]

So a 2012 platform outperforms a last years' solution? That's so unexpected! What's next, next years core outperforming Piledriver?!

[eXa]

But trinity doesnt have the L3 like current bulldozers, right? And Trinity isnt here to replace FX series but A series. So i expect even a little more than this when we compare pildriver FX vs BD FX...

[w0mbat]

So a 2012 platform outperforms a last years' solution? That's so unexpected! What's next, next years core outperforming Piledriver?!

Well, Trinity is a mainstream APU whereas the FX CPUs are high-end CPUs. They sport a L3 cache that Trinity doesn't have and they have an integrated GPU so they can't go all out on CPU performance. It's nice to see AMD making some progress. With Piledriver + L3 cache we maybe even see an IPC close to the Phenom II :P

[haylui]

performance per clock increment is welcomed

[AliG]

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I don't know if this has been posted or not, but if this is valid, this means we're seeing a 29% increase in performance for a 26% increase in clockspeed. Considering the bobcat core was an improved stars core this would imply that piledriver does in fact offer more instructions per clock than phenom II (yay? or should I say about damn time).

[Generic user #2]

wth does optimized for windows 8 mean?

[informal]

@AliG

Bobcat is not improved stars core and 29% performance increase is comparison for same mobile power bands(35W Trinity scores 29% higher in XYZ benchmark than 35W Llano;clock speeds are completely different since they are part of the design). 3.8Ghz 5800K with 4.2Ghz Turbo should be around 15% faster than top llano (3Ghz) in some workloads AMD tested(so around 15ish% lower IPC than Llano,on average-still higher than Bulldozer). Lower clocked mobile parts based on Trinity will have higher perf. uplifts versus comparable(TDP) Llano based parts due to much higher clocks within same TDP.

Vishera is higher end part that has 4 modules AND L3. This part should be 15-20% faster than FX8150,just about what AMD needs for the rest of the year. OCing and power characteristics should be also improved.

[Musho]

Equal Int IPC as Llano (Llano is less than 1% better)? This is great news for the mobile parts! These are supposed to run at much faster frequencies than current mobile Llano processors, which should bring very good performance increases on mobile front! Llano is still ~18% faster IPC-wise for FP though, but increased clock speeds will more than easily make up for this difference. Now the big question will be how big the performance hit will be for Trinity with all four cores loaded. Llano is a true quadcore design, whereas Trinity is a shared design. Interesting times ahead. Looking forward to the reviews!

[Manicdan]

comparing the A10-5800K to a 8150, isnt there also a GPU in there and only a 100W TDP, vs the 8150 with no GPU and 125W TDP
id say thats a very good improvement.

[Klarko]

Really excited for the Trinity mobile cpu reviews to roll in.

[PatRaceTin]

wait and see

[Mechromancer]

For a cheap desktop cpu with powerful integrated graphics, Trinity will be worth every penny. Sure, it doesn't kill Sandy Bridge in CPU tests, but the user AMD is targeting probably isn't the person who needs highend Intel i5s and i7s. These kinds of GPUs have already proven they can handle more than just casual gaming as well. It is my hope AMD will help prolong PC gaming with these offerings.

[Leeghoofd]

How bad is it going from Llano at 3Ghz to a 4.2Ghz A10 and not being able beating it on in X versus Ghz... I don't call that an improvement... aren't we seeing some things out of perspective or don't we want to see some things as they are...

[Manicdan]

How bad is it going from Llano at 3Ghz to a 4.2Ghz A10 and not being able beating it on in X versus Ghz... I don't call that an improvement... aren't we seeing some things out of perspective or don't we want to see some things as they are...

im lost by this
it beat it in both Int and FP, but compared to per mhz its behind, which can easily be due to core scaling since BD got ~60% for those extra 2 cores, while llano was near 90%
unless those tests are single core based and im wrong (i dont know that much about the benchmarks)

[Buckeye]

http://wccftech.com/amd-trinity[/URL]

hmm.... wonder why that account was suspended.

[Andi64]

Compared to A8-3870 on the same table, IPC is less. And Llano doesn't have L3 either so...

IMO it doesn't look good. Compared to Bulldozer even a Core 2 Duo looks next gen...

[informal]

Who cares about Llano when it can't clock pass 3.5-3.6Ghz.. Also stock vs stock A8-5800K IS faster. Yes,it has somewhat lower IPC but it's not uniformly lower across all benchmarks,it varies.In Adobe and Office suits it(BD) completely destroys anything K10. Let K10 die please,it's been a long time now... Bulldozer derivatives is what AMD will offer and it can only be better than first iteration.

[Andi64]

Yeah, it can clock higher. Also Thuban could clock pass 4.0Ghz. I won't argue BD performance in one or two tests against K10. Overall IPC of BD against K10 is terrible. Looks like Piledriver won't be THAT terrible... that doesn't make it good, but maybe good enough.

[god_43]

hmm.... wonder why that account was suspended.

...what account?

[Tomasis]

Yeah, it can clock higher. Also Thuban could clock pass 4.0Ghz. I won't argue BD performance in one or two tests against K10. Overall IPC of BD against K10 is terrible. Looks like Piledriver won't be THAT terrible... that doesn't make it good, but maybe good enough.

show me high clock of Llano?

Llano is newer than Phenom II and is based on lower nm. Even it doesnt clock higher than older PhII.

[Leeghoofd]

Ani64 was not referring to Llano clocking higher... I hope AMD can get their act together for Piledriver...