Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

[donitsi]

Nice scores.

Wake me up when 2560x1600 OC and max OC results vs 7970 OC start appearing, then we will see the real champion

[[XC] hipno650]

If those scores from Tom's are based at all in reality then Nvidia has made a fantastic card...

[solofly]

Wow very nice, more than I expected. It is a good day to be an Nvidia fan...

[Mech0z]

Any words about when lower performance cards will arrive (I need something like 560 power for eGPU so 150-200$ segment)

[Vipeax]

Wow very nice, more than I expected. It is a good day to be an Nvidia fan...

Not really. Actual nVidia fans would have bought the real GTX680, instead of this bumped GTX660. You are now paying the price of the most high-end to get the mid-range.

[kam03]

Anyone know if it will support bitstreaming audio?

[solofly]

Not really. Actual nVidia fans would have bought the real GTX680, instead of this bumped GTX660. You are now paying the price of the most high-end to get the mid-range.

If a midrange card is smacking around competitor's high-end, then that's all that matters.

As for pricing you can thank AMD for that underpowered card they released...

[Vipeax]

If a midrange card is smacking around competitor's high-end, then that's all that matters.

No thanks, I care more about what I gain for my money, than how it does compared to the competition. Surely you buy your VGA to look at benchmarks, as that HTML content surely requires a $500 card.

As for pricing you can thank AMD for that underpowered card they released...

So now you are saying that a GTX680 should have costed $800 and a dual GPU $1400. And then we can also just stack all future releases, meaning the GTX980 will cost $6000. Sounds reasonable!

[Manicdan]

i pray this card comes out at 499$, then the whole line of current gpus will shift down about 20% in price.
if they launch at 600$ or more, then we better hope amd does a price drop for us.

[SubZero.it]

I do not see that HUGE difference compared to 7970 a part in certain games. But the chip is really efficient!!

[highoctane]

Not really. Actual nVidia fans would have bought the real GTX680, instead of this bumped GTX660. You are now paying the price of the most high-end to get the mid-range.

You pay for the avg performance, doesn't matter how big or small the die or bus width.

EDIT: Relative to the competition that is...

[tajoh111]

I guess if those scores carry over to other reviews, we can't blame Nvidia for pricing the card like they did. They are making the 7970 look last generation with power consumption and performance. But peoples performance expectations at this point have to be more than met. Most were expecting 7950 beating performance, not 7970 beating performance. If we did get 7950 beating performance, I could see the 400 dollar price tags coming true.

I for some reason think these scores are too good by about 10% though.... Just the scores of the gtx 580 seem a bit high verses the 7950.

[Zoran]

If true,

CONGRATZ nVidia, finally a worthy card. I may even buy an nvidia card which I didn't since the 8800GTX...

[Vipeax]

You pay for the avg performance, doesn't matter how big or small the die or bus width.

EDIT: Relative to the competition that is...

Surely the HD4850 & HD4870 didn't follow up on that rule, heck even nVidia did better than that (8800GT for example, which this could have been). Anyway, let's take the HD5870 as an example, it could have costed 500 euros (I mean, the HD7870 apparently can). Then as a follow-up the GTX480 could have been 650 euros (it's better so why not)? Then the GTX580 and HD6970 could have been 775 and 900, putting the current cards above 1000.

[Elmy]

http://www.tomshardware.com/gallery/...---jpg-36.html

On avarage 18% faster than 7970 at 1080p.

Join date Oct 2005 and only one post? LoL

Been sitting here waiting for the past 6 and half years for the right time to make a memorable post?

But really it isn't nothing special. Yes it is an improvement and more efficient than the last Nvidia architecture but alot of ppl were hoping for more and even more ppl were hoping for better pricing than this.

AMD is probably thinking that they would of thought Nvidia would be bringing something better than this to the table....

AMD needs to drop prices of the 7970 down to 499.99 though....

[JudgmentJay]

Anyone know if it will support bitstreaming audio?

I asked this earlier in the thread and didn't get a reply. I hope it does, otherwise I'll be going with 7970s since I use my PC for my home theater as well.

[Manicdan]

Join date Oct 2005 and only one post? LoL

Been sitting here waiting for the past 6 and half years for the right time to make a memorable post?

But really it isn't nothing special. Yes it is an improvement and more efficient than the last Nvidia architecture but alot of ppl were hoping for more and even more ppl were hoping for better pricing than this.

AMD is probably thinking that they would of thought Nvidia would be bringing something better than this to the table....

AMD needs to drop prices of the 7970 down to 499.99 though....

too much negativity.
this card is much more efficient then even current 28nm parts. who cares about its jump vs last generation, its jump vs current generation is more than amds jump vs last generation
should amd be scared? you bet. this gpu is much smaller than their 7970 and seems to be noticeably faster. they can undercut amd by 50$ and probably still earn more per unit sold. so in a price battle, nvidia will have the upper hand and probably be the one to test how low amd is capable of selling at.

(i am an amd fanboy and i might have to buy a 670 if priced around 300-350$)

[flyck]

I guess if those scores carry over to other reviews, we can't blame Nvidia for pricing the card like they did. They are making the 7970 look last generation with power consumption and performance. But peoples performance expectations at this point have to be more than met. Most were expecting 7950 beating performance, not 7970 beating performance. If we did get 7950 beating performance, I could see the 400 dollar price tags coming true.

I for some reason think these scores are too good by about 10% though.... Just the scores of the gtx 580 seem a bit high verses the 7950.

The difference is power is very small in toms benches. Heck the 680 is in the middle between the 7950 and 7970 in power consumption. (Actually depending on how close kepler is set in terms of frequency and voltage, the 79xx serie might even consume less if AMD wasn't so conservative with the votlages.)

It delivers better performance than both in 1080p without AA, but with AA things are become very thight compared to the 7970. Heck as you mention yourself the 7950 and 7970 are barely above the 580 in those tests.. whereass other reviews put the 7950 where the 7970 is in toms review. (i'm not saying the 7970 will outperform the 680 in 1080p though, because kepler might do alot better than fermi in the test where AMD does well) but i expect only a minor overal difference in 1080p with MSAA and and an even smaller difference on 2560* (small difference can go either way). seeing how the 680 fades when msaa and resolutions are crancked up i expect the 7950 might become a close competitor in triple screen resolutions.

Both the 7950 and 7970 give much higher gpugpu capability. Actually the 580 gives a higher gpgpu capability. So nvidia did make a tradeof with kepler 104. (as in it seems not to be suited for tesla).

But from a desktop and laptop view Kepler 104 seems to be an amazing chip.. I previously thought it would be hard to best pitcairn, but i think they did it though... (although we might need to wait for overclocking to see how nvidia binned their chips..)

[Olivon]

I guess if those scores carry over to other reviews, we can't blame Nvidia for pricing the card like they did. They are making the 7970 look last generation with power consumption and performance. But peoples performance expectations at this point have to be more than met. Most were expecting 7950 beating performance, not 7970 beating performance. If we did get 7950 beating performance, I could see the 400 dollar price tags coming true.

I for some reason think these scores are too good by about 10% though.... Just the scores of the gtx 580 seem a bit high verses the 7950.

All I can say it looks good, its quieter than 7970 which was quiet, it clocks to similar levels, and it cost less.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...5&postcount=61

Hope it's true.

[LiquidReactor]

So nvidia took out all the cgpu stuff and left only gaming relevant pieces in kepler?

[tajoh111]

Join date Oct 2005 and only one post? LoL

Been sitting here waiting for the past 6 and half years for the right time to make a memorable post?

But really it isn't nothing special. Yes it is an improvement and more efficient than the last Nvidia architecture but alot of ppl were hoping for more and even more ppl were hoping for better pricing than this.

AMD is probably thinking that they would of thought Nvidia would be bringing something better than this to the table....

AMD needs to drop prices of the 7970 down to 499.99 though....

How could you think that. In the high end, and just lost the performance per watt and die size. This was supposed to be NV mid range and it makes some of and it makes amd cards look mid range, at least the 7950.

Although it loses some of its advantage at higher resolution, this is the telling sign that this was supposed to be the gtx 560 ti replacement. This card is like the gtx 560 to coming out but beating the 6970. Amd cannot be thinking this is all NV brought to the table.If NV wants, it can put on a price war with the 79xx series which AMD cannot want/win.

[sergiojr]

Certainly the numbers in tom's article are not final as there is an obvious math mistake in average performance/watt graph. GTX680 is only ~40% better that GTX580 according to their own data. Calculations for 7970 and 7950 are correct.

[Olivon]

Scores without Hawx 2 and WoW using AA Max :

1080P AA | GTX680 | HD7970

Metro2033 AAA
64.33|72.33

Skyrim Ultra/FXAA
92.76|83

BF3 4XMSAA
77.51|68.46

Crysis2 Ultra/DX11
69.70|55.60

DirtIII
98.65|80.58

Total GTX680 : 402.95
Total HD7970 : 359.97

Ratio GTX680/HD7970 : 111.94%

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1600P AA | GTX680 | HD7970

Metro2033 AAA
40.00|43.00

Skyrim Ultra/FXAA
63.32|59.96

BF3 4XMSAA
44.58|42.43

Crysis2 Ultra/DX11
38.40|32.70

DirtIII
64.73|54.73

Total GTX680 : 251.23
Total HD7970 : 232.82

Ratio GTX680/HD7970 : 107.9%

[highoctane]

Surely the HD4850 & HD4870 didn't follow up on that rule, heck even nVidia did better than that (8800GT for example, which this could have been). Anyway, let's take the HD5870 as an example, it could have costed 500 euros (I mean, the HD7870 apparently can). Then as a follow-up the GTX480 could have been 650 euros (it's better so why not)? Then the GTX580 and HD6970 could have been 775 and 900, putting the current cards above 1000.

When the 4xxx series launched Nvidia had to price their big die and bus high end way down relative to AMD/ATI's offerings, so with the gtx280 & 285 we got high end gpu for midrange price. The gpu, die size, node, memory, bus, etc didn't alone decide the pricing but the performance relative to the competition and their pricing was the determining factor.

Performance and pricing is going to be relative to the competition, if AMD launched 7970 at $300 well then we would have ~$300 Nvidia cards of comparable level of performance.

We pay XXXX dollars for a product that will deliver XXXX performance.

In the case of the 680 we are paying for a high end level of performance based on what AMD has already released and set the bar for pricing at for this level of performance, doesn't matter what the 680 specs are.

[Manicdan]

if you simply add the numbers i think your weighting games with higher FPS as more.
instead find the percent over/under for each game then average the percentages