AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

[Chickenfeed]

It would be ignorante to think Caymen shaders don't perform better than Cypress shaders. Shader counts alone don't tell the whole story. That said, 30-40% more performance than a 5870 with a lower shader count and similar power evelope is quite impressive if the case, those are some respectable optimizations no matter how you look at it.

[safan80]

you don't remember anything. I hope nobody listened to you and got any wrong ideas.

if you want to remember something, remember this: 3dfx went bankrupt because it failed to deliver competitive products for multiple product cycles in a row. failure to execute. period.

3dfx was the first company to say you should be playing at 60fps, not 30fps.

They executed just their strategy just fine. It was the wrong way for them to go, what they did was cling their proprietary glide and did not want to fully support standards like opengl. Yes they failed to compete with Nvidia, who supported opengl. Nvidia is doing this with Cuda and physX. On the hardware side they clung old tech and just started adding more chips to it. It's not a failure to execute it was a failure to innovate and meet customer's demands.

As for the whole 30/60 fps thing ... The details don't matter much anymore they're dead.

[zerazax]

It would be ignorante to think Caymen shaders don't perform better than Cypress shaders. Shader counts alone don't tell the whole story. That said, 30-40% more performance than a 5870 with a lower shader count and similar power evelope is quite impressive if the case, those are some respectable optimizations no matter how you look at it.

Doubt it's the same power envelope - getting that much performance in the same node is next to impossible.

But yeah, a 30-40% jump within the same process on a die supposedly only 15% larger is a pretty impressive feat of engineering, especially if its being compared to a die 25% larger than itself

[Vardant]

Nvidia is doing this with Cuda and physX. On the hardware side they clung old tech and just started adding more chips to it. It's not a failure to execute it was a failure to innovate and meet customer's demands.

Except NV is one of the founders of Khronos group, that is behind OpenCL and they were also the first to start supporting OpenCL physics Bullet engine.

Careful, so you don't get dizzy from all the spinning...

[zerazax]

It's called hedging your bets

[Pantsu]

The slides look real to me, but of course they could be fakes from AMD. Obviously they've been shopped to remove the embargo dates and to add all those dozen or so watermarks (seriously wtf).

If the 6970 performance ends up between 570 and 580 like the slides say I do expect the price to be under 400$. And obviously 6950 would be around 300$ so all of the cards would be in their own price ranges which would end up slowing price competition, something that both camps probably want. The price listings we've seen probably aren't the real deal but guesswork.

It's not necessarily wise for AMD to try to make a faster single gpu if it means making the die too large and expensive. As it has been said many times, even by Nvidia, ultimately it's about perf/mm^2 and perf/W and that will decide the best card. For customer's point of view it's of course perf/price and features that matter, but even Nvidia can't keep on selling gpus that are twice as expensive to manufacture at the same price level as the competition.

[duploxxx]

Very disappointed with the specs, and WTF did ATI decrease the shader count from 1600 to 1536? WTF that doesn't make any sense.... I would have been happy if it was at 1920 like earlier rumours said, the only good thing that it comes with 2GB of VRAM.

If this slide is true then thats very disappointing.

If the 6970 does have less shader units then thats very disappointing. And why are they still using a 256 bit memory bus? I'm not impressed at all.

I would be very disappointed if you are dissapointed since al the rumours are so dissapointing
wow did you really needed to post that every few hours? that makes me really disappointed

[eric66]

depending on situation both 6970/6950 are on par with their competitors sometimes one being faster than other one .... this is pretty much official

[flopper]

[LexDiamonds]

wow did you really needed to post that every few hours? that makes me really disappointed

+11

I'm tired of this whining.

[LexDiamonds]

Oh nom nom nom

[eric66]

nice looking box

ps: we now know that 6950 can actually fit into box

[Oztopher]

That may very well be the box of my next card ... except i doubt it will have HIS written on it

So i guess it's confirmed then that the 6950 will have 2GB of memory. Unless there's two versions, which i doubt.

[zerazax]

2GB is juicy

4 days out.. and ZOMG BOX

[andos]

ing hot box from HIS...

My Antilles might be from them.

[Lanek]

Same Box of the HD5870, they are still lying here, i have allways like the design of HIS for the box ... So this confirm there's 2 version of the 6950, 1 and 2 gb ..

[Lightman]

Cayman will bring big improvement in front-end and that cost silicon. Shaders are just maintained at a level allowing AMD to be no slower than Cypress, but gaming performance gains will come from other major changes.

You can draw analogy between Core2Duo and i7. The execution units are just slightly modified but all the performance gains are coming from impressive front-end and un-core of CPU.

I'm expecting quite a big advantage for Cayman over Cypress in some tests. Of course this will not translate to every possible scenario, but I'm happy with that

[SpuTnicK]

nice looking box

ps: we now know that 6950 can actually fit into box

There is now graphic card inside, just a 2GB Sword

[Funky]

ing hot box from HIS...

My Antilles might be from them.

All their boxes from the HD58xx series have similar theme.
Even their 6870 and 6850 are similar.
One of the best minimalistic packaging I have seen in the industry. Looks great
Usually box this size wont even fit 5 cards properly, HIS managed to fit 10 cards in there :P
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2904/img3787a.jpg

[cold2010]

@
SpuTnicK

[zalbard]

IMAGE

Nice, is that yours? If so, congrats!

[SpuTnicK]

@cold2010

There is now graphic card inside, just a 2GB Sword

In case someone did not get it, it was

[flopper]

Nice, is that yours? If so, congrats!

No Andy at ocuk broke nda with it
he be in jail faster we can say 69..

[Tha Last Meal]

yo boy... look to this this Photo fake

oooooooomg

[SpuTnicK]

The fun continues!

there are words about max fans speed reaching 5770RMP and no heat spreading plates on the back of the cards