NF7 vs. DFI Infinity

[Jrocket]

Ok, Im about to have some serious fun in a week or two with a duron and an athlon xp-m. Now, I am getting some new cooling and expecting to push these around 3ghz. I remember everyone used to say the NF7 mobos were by far the best. However now everyone keeps talkin about the DFIs. So my question to everyone is, what is the big difference? I am assuming you can achieve higher fsb with the DFIs right? Could someone tell me how much of a difference this ussually is?
Thanks in advance

[IamAnoobieCheez]

mm.... o.0)\ this is my favorite topic.

I can't comment... otherwise I might get slammed by others.

however, I have owned Abit NF7/NF7s v.1.0, 1.1, 1.2, and 2.0 boards in the past.


this may not apply to you but... My *personal* pick would be:

- DFI Infinity/LP b
- Abit NF7s 1.1
- Abit NF7s 1.2


Top three best boards in NF2 class in my opinion. (rev1.0 would've been kick ass #2 if it had the mounting holes... )

[Jrocket]

Thanks, but how much of a difference in fsb would you actually see between the two?

[IamAnoobieCheez]

Originally posted by Jrocket
Thanks, but how much of a difference in fsb would you actually see between the two?

that really depends on the luckyness of the board, modifications (wire and voltages), CPU types(to some board), etc.


In my unlucky situations,

Abit NF7s v2.0 topped out at 160 FSB (with all mods) in gaming.

DFI LP b topped out at 250 FSB in gaming. Topped out at 255 FSB in 3Dmark.


so that's 90~ 95mhz FSB difference. You know that's some serious sh#t.



In less unlucky situation #2

Abit NF7s v2.0 topped out at 220 FSB (without mods) in gaming.


the highest FSB in gaming performed was 230 FSB with the v2.0 (with mods).

There are more scenarios, but do not exceed higher FSB than the one I mentioned. It just is not reliable.



On the other hand, Revision 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 were EXTREMELY CONSISTENT in stablity and moodyness at high FSBs... all ran rock solid 220FSB with mods, totally steady in games... which is absolutely fantastic.....


so it's not so much how the v2.0 did bad in FSBs but what made me really piss.ed is the extreme FSB variations between the v2.0 boards. Jumping from 160 FSB to 220 FSB is unacceptable. That is why I hate it.


but the v.1.0, 1.1, and 1.2s were ultimately consistent.. if it's consistent, we....... are........ in.......... business. Plain and simple.


Consistency is what I look for... not fluctuating like mad dog crzy pie....

[Jrocket]

Alright thanks

[LilGator]

here is my NF7-S rev 2.0 unvmodded...if only I had BH-5

[Gokou]

tbh going by what ive seen the lanparty gives the best overclocks (fsb wise)....but clock for clock the nf7 gives the best performance.

How much...im not sure, but i would say a 240fsb nf7 would beat the same system (same cpu mhz/gc etc) with a lanparty with 250fsb.

[tictac]

here my nf7s rev2.0 full mod

i wonder why there is 166MHz issue...

is it the board issue?

hehehe

[tictac]

if u looking for extreme cooling

here u go

3GHz

i wonder y there is and 166MHz issue? kekeke :P

[IamAnoobieCheez]

Originally posted by Gokou
tbh going by what ive seen the lanparty gives the best overclocks (fsb wise)....but clock for clock the nf7 gives the best performance.

How much...im not sure, but i would say a 240fsb nf7 would beat the same system (same cpu mhz/gc etc) with a lanparty with 250fsb.

that depends on the setting you make on the DFI board.


you run it slack setting(nope, im not talking about cas latency settings), you would get lower performance on the DFI, same for the Abit. A lot of people tend to up the FSB way up and sacrifice other critical settings, endup making the board run slower than it should, slower than Abit's.

[tictac]

my friend NF7-S rev 2.0 + Muskin Level 2 + D23 3D Fire + Dirty_Punk Vdimm mod



unfortunately the board is dead after short circuit in Vbt modding process

[IamAnoobieCheez]

Originally posted by tictac

unfortunately the board is dead after short circuit in Vbt modding process

that's what happens when you mod it too much. ouchh....

[IamAnoobieCheez]

Originally posted by tictac
if u looking for extreme cooling

here u go

3GHz

i wonder y there is and 166MHz issue? kekeke :P

not 166.. I wonder why people think of 166 thing.
Do you still think there is PCI divder issue there with the nForce2 LOL!!!!!!!!!!



nope.




I said, the board tops out at 160 FSB.. not 166fsb.. Even at 160 FSB it isn't fully stable in gaming. eww...



If I remember correctly, that's not your Abit bench.
You didn't do it. Your fello did the supercooling.
I noticed you posted a wrong bench in piFast challenge in xtreme forum kekekeke.... :smileysex


all I need 2.88ghz and lower FSB than yours to get to 34 sec, that's with 150mhz lower and 2FSBs lower.


oh i think I'm gonna start using "kekeke". Kinda fun. kekeke.

[IamAnoobieCheez]

Originally posted by tictac
my friend NF7-S rev 2.0 + Muskin Level 2 + D23 3D Fire + Dirty_Punk Vdimm mod

that's at Single channel, 1 stick. What happened to DC...

Run it at DC and we'll talk. run some sandra mem bench too.


wait, you are also running single channel in other benches too. You going around everywhere with that SC, would make it less difficult to get up there. I dont' think "kekeke" fits in here.




omg, this guy thought I was running Single channel, CPU FastDecode OFF??? LOL.

I don't run slack settings. Never.

I can't even run benches to show because you're at SC.

[IamAnoobieCheez]

oh yeah, run Prime95 at 250+ FSB DC fast decode & at high total clocks. I would like to see a screeny of that.

[IamAnoobieCheez]

Originally posted by tictac
here my nf7s rev2.0 full mod

i wonder why there is 166MHz issue...

is it the board issue?

hehehe

hehehe?


i wonder why there is low score issue...

is it the board issue?

oh ouch ouch.

[WinXP]

Have both mobo's NF7-S & Infinity. The NF7-S with no mods runs 230fsb dc fine, Infinity 255fsb fine an no mods. Tried modding the NF7-S to get higher with no luck (vdd & vdimm). If you have the extra money an want a new toy then get it, if not stick with what you have it is just as good.

[IamAnoobieCheez]

I jacked down the clocks and FSBs for ya.


Still faster... and totally.... owned in memory.

[WinXP]

PCmark 2002with Infinity

[DisposableHero]

my old nf7s 2.0 would loose ps2/usb over 218 fsb

[Henry]

Originally posted by tictac
here my nf7s rev2.0 full mod

Your memory score is very low, even for single channel, here's my infinity score at 10x242, single channel :

[tictac]

time will tell...

never underestimed the power of NF7S

[LilGator]

I'm so glad you can pump out a nice score with PCM02 Enjoy your PC !

[Dirty_Punk]

Originally posted by IamAnoobieCheez
that's at Single channel, 1 stick. What happened to DC...

Run it at DC and we'll talk. run some sandra mem bench too.


wait, you are also running single channel in other benches too. You going around everywhere with that SC, would make it less difficult to get up there. I dont' think "kekeke" fits in here.




omg, this guy thought I was running Single channel, CPU FastDecode OFF??? LOL.

I don't run slack settings. Never.

I can't even run benches to show because you're at SC.

here, Dual Channel, Cpu Interface On, simple OEM 2*256 V-Data PC3200 memory with V-Data 5ns OEM chips, NF7-S V2.0 with what tictac call Dirty_Punk Vdimm Mod (tnx) and win2k that scores less than winXP in sandramem



howether i know tha DFI can do better, but the greater problem right now i don't think that it's the mobos, but the memory... it's not easy to find memory that can do 250mhz 2-2-2-5....

and with PC4000 this is what i have done with NF7-S unmodded!!!



and howether NF7-S haven't the coldboot problem, not so funny for DFI users i think...

[WinXP]

Dirty_Punk

I will have to agree on the memory problem with cold boot on DFI. The only time I have a cold boot problem is when running HyperX PC3200 non A mem above 240fsb. Corsair or Twinmos will not give me a cold boot problem at 255fsb. Looks like you are doing very good with your NF7, if mine would have run better I may have not got the Infinity. I had 2 -NF7-S v2.0 an niether would run pass 230fsb, so yours is exceptional. And you are right about finding mem that runs 250fsb at 11-2-2-2. I have 5 sticks Twinmos PC3200 bh5, 4-Corsair XMS PC3500c2, 2-HyperX PC3200 nonA, sold 2-HyperX PC3000 an all are bh-5. Out of this memory 3 pair run 255 at 11-2-2-2, most all will do 250fsb an 1 pair only get 245.

One thing you say your mobo is unmodded, why is ddr 3.47v ? Mine only get 2.93v max for NF7. LOL