Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

[DilTech]

I don't think his backside has internet access.

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Friggin dammit, so it will be ~$550.

I hate waiting, but this will be one of the gen's where I wait it out till I see some prices worth paying for. Not like my 480 isn't doing well, but 900Mhz @ 1.1V = serious wattage and my room = tiny. Oh, also got the hardware itch.

I've had the itch, I don't even have to pay for the card myself, but realistically I am not supporting those prices from EITHER company for a card that doesn't obliterate the last generation by 50% MINIMUM (not best case, I'm talking worst case scenario of 50%).

To be fair, my true hope was for a midrange part at the $200 mark giving GTX 580 performance with gtx 460 heat levels. At that range, I can pick up a new cpu, ram, and mobo to go with it and still be around the same price range total. AMD missed that mark for me (seriously, if the 7870 launched at $200-$250 I'd buy it), so now I'm wanting to see what NVidia will put in that segment.

I'm sure that 300$ GK104 will be available...in 2014.

I'm still willing to wager that this year we'll see GK104 (or a chip that's essentially it with some minor adjustments ala GF104 to GF114) in a mid-range part this year.

[GoldenTiger]

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I've had the itch, I don't even have to pay for the card myself, but realistically I am not supporting those prices from EITHER company for a card that doesn't obliterate the last generation by 50% MINIMUM (not best case, I'm talking worst case scenario of 50%).

To be fair, my true hope was for a midrange part at the $200 mark giving GTX 580 performance with gtx 460 heat levels. At that range, I can pick up a new cpu, ram, and mobo to go with it and still be around the same price range total. AMD missed that mark for me (seriously, if the 7870 launched at $200-$250 I'd buy it), so now I'm wanting to see what NVidia will put in that segment.



I'm still willing to wager that this year we'll see GK104 (or a chip that's essentially it with some minor adjustments ala GF104 to GF114) in a mid-range part this year.

This post echoes my thoughts pretty well, I couldn't picture buying two of these at this pricing even though they're fast. I'll go for one perhaps, but two just isn't worth it considering these will probably drop like stones later this year. Heck, I was on two reference GTX 570 in SLI (1280MB), almost wondering if I should just go grab a pair of nice non-reference 580's for a similar price as a single 680 will run me... probably be faster and about the same price once this shakes out at GTX 680 launch. EDIT: Of course, I'm going to see how the 680 turns out in reviews, and likely will go for it since it's a single card, but still... .

[SKYMTL]

Think ATI is gonna have HD8970 out before the end of the year ?

Put it this way: if AMD doesn't have a different (non dual GPU) high end product out by year's end, they'll be in bucketloads of trouble.

[Elmy]

It is almost laughable that Nvidia is putting out a product that basically is about the same speed as a 7970.... Where is the Nvidia that came out with a card that beats AMD the last 3 rounds or so? Looks like a no-show this round. Now before everyone starts saying "but they are coming out with GK110/GK114" Well its not going to be here for awhile.....

Alot of let down Nvidia fans....

[GoldenTiger]

It is almost laughable that Nvidia is putting out a product that basically is about the same speed as a 7970.... Where is the Nvidia that came out with a card that beats AMD the last 3 rounds or so? Looks like a no-show this round. Now before everyone starts saying "but they are coming out with GK110/GK114" Well its not going to be here for awhile.....

Alot of let down Nvidia fans....

Errrr, no... the GTX 680, purportedly, is 15-20% faster than the Radeon 7970 from the leaks we've seen, possibly more.

[Aberration]

They must have needed a lot of R&D to get it running on the TSMC 28nm process.

That's too bad, but ya know it happens to everyone eventually.

[boxleitnerb]

Put it this way: if AMD doesn't have a different (non dual GPU) high end product out by year's end, they'll be in bucketloads of trouble.

The reason being GK110? I think we can safely say that GK110 will be significantly larger than Tahiti and possibly even Tahitis refresh, so AMD always has the money card to play.

[Aberration]

Errrr, no... the GTX 680, purportedly, is 15-20% faster than the Radeon 7970 from the leaks we've seen, possibly more.

On maybe 1 or 2 games, hand picked by nV of course.

[Elmy]

Errrr, no... the GTX 680, purportedly, is 15-20% faster than the Radeon 7970 from the leaks we've seen, possibly more.

Even if it is a little faster than AMD. Nvidia fans are STILL let down.....

And like that other poster it is probably in a FEW benchmarks....

[GoldenTiger]

On maybe 1 or 2 games, hand picked by nV of course.

Even if it is a little faster than AMD. Nvidia fans are STILL let down.....

And like that other poster it is probably in a FEW benchmarks....

We'll see, regardless, it's priced the same, better drivers, and better overall performance... what's not to like then, fan or not? I love how people were raving how the Radeon 7970's 15%-20% lead over the GTX 580 made it revolutionary, yet a 40-50% lead or so over the 580 makes GTX 680 a "let down"?

[TheBreezyBB]

We'll see, regardless, it's priced the same, better drivers, and better overall performance... what's not to like then, fan or not? I love how people were raving how the Radeon 7970's 15%-20% lead over the GTX 580 made it revolutionary, yet a 40-50% lead or so over the 580 makes GTX 680 a "let down"?

I have yet to see a single review that prove the 40-50% you're claiming!! Until then it's all bull rumors.

[flyck]

We'll see, regardless, it's priced the same, better drivers, and better overall performance... what's not to like then, fan or not? I love how people were raving how the Radeon 7970's 15%-20% lead over the GTX 580 made it revolutionary, yet a 40-50% lead or so over the 580 makes GTX 680 a "let down"?

twisting things?

the 7970 led the 580 with 24% on average... that number includes a few titles which were completely cpu limited (starcraft) and were with the release drivers of the 7970 (which according to anand already imrpoved performance in some cases by 5 to 10%). So we are loking closer to 30% and not 15% as you try to falsly inform us.
even with the best numbers seen so far.. the 680 looks to be less than 10% faster on average. (and that is on 1080p or lower).

Personally i don't even expect it to be faster on average at all... but its looks to be an amazing chip for its die size and power consumption. (i just hope this chip isn't pushed to far on defaults that even a minimal oc will need additional voltage, thus busting out the power consumption values)

[GoldenTiger]

I have yet to see a single review that prove the 40-50% you're claiming!! Until then it's all bull rumors.

Errrrr, of course there aren't reviews: the card isn't out yet. The pics in this thread and others, however....

[GoldenTiger]

twisting things?

the 7970 led the 580 with 24% on average...

Really now? No need to try to claim someone's lying/trying to intentionally mislead here.

Fine, pretend it's 24%... that's still a lot less than 40-50% over the 580. My point stands just fine without all the hyperbole. Why do you think the GTX 680 will suffer at 2560x1600 exactly? It has the same bandwidth as a GTX 580. Even at those #'s it's still 21% faster than a Radeon 7970 if the very-real-looking leaks pan out.

[TheBreezyBB]

Errrrr, of course there aren't reviews: the card isn't out yet. The pics in this thread and others, however....

the Pics in this thread says it's equal or +/-5% improvement over the 7970 which means 20-35% at best over the 580!

[GoldenTiger]

the Pics in this thread says it's equal or +/-5% improvement over the 7970 which means 20-35% at best over the 580!

Not sure what pictures you're looking at... the ones I'm seeing with 300.99 drivers show what I'm saying here and in the OCN thread: http://www.overclock.net/t/1231113/ for the later tests by someone with 300.99 drivers.

[Mechanical Man]

Not sure what pictures you're looking at... the ones I'm seeing with 300.99 drivers show what I'm saying here and in the OCN thread: http://www.overclock.net/t/1231113/ for the later tests by someone with 300.99 drivers.

Heaven is tesselation test. Nothing more. It wont translate straight up to game performance.

[TheBreezyBB]

Heaven benchmark is not everything! I saw these and it doesn't say anything!! Suddenly one heaven test with no proof makes the GTX680 40-50% faster!!

[GoldenTiger]

Heaven is tesselation test. Nothing more. It wont translate straight up to game performance.

3dmark11 also....

[Mechanical Man]

3dmark11 also....

That too. Its lot better, but still it wont translate to pure game performance.

[chispy]

Wow just woow the Fanboism Force its very strong on this tread

[GoldenTiger]

Wow just woow the Fanboism Force its very strong on this tread

Edelman?

[Kristoferr]

All emotions aside, the card seems to be pretty much on par with 7970, from what i have seen so far. A bit faster perhaps. The big question is, does it OC like 7970 does. If its able to hit 1300th GPU, its going to be nice.

[SKYMTL]

I think people are getting things mixed up here.

The HD 7970 was a revolution for AMD (being their first ground up DX11 architecture) but an EVOLUTION for the GPU market as a whole. It essentially brought AMD up to NVIDIA's technology level (and maybe a small step beyond) by leveraging the 28nm manufacturing process for a tangible performance benefit. Its impact upon the HPC market has so far been non-existent since AMD seems to be twiddling their fingers on that front.

Fermi on the other hand was a revolution on BOTH fronts since it was the market's first architecture that properly supported high levels of geometry processing throughput while also bringing a new dimension of performance to HPC spaces. It may have consumed a ton of power due to the elements added for the aforementioned tasks but that's the lesson AMD is currently learning with their GCN architecture.

As for Kepler, at the last GTC NVIDIA called it "Fermi refined" which should (supposedly) lead to higher performance per watt ratios. IF (and only if) NVIDIA can attain the perf per watt levels they first presented at last year's GTC, the AMD trolls will have to find something else to pick on since the OMGFERMIBBQ jokes would no longer hold any traction. Then again, we've already seen the first steps towards that with cries of "clock speed cheating!" and "cherry picked games!" coming from the usual corners....

While I can't say anything, this is one launch I am actually excited about because for the first time in a long time a GPU company is going to do a number of things that are totally unexpected.

[osiris999]

1840 post still no info. Still everyone fighting over who they think has the best guess. Still people saying amd/ati is doomed. Amd/ati has been doomed for 15 years now along with nvida intel and amd.