Gtx 780ti to be faster than Titan, will battle R9 290x

[Ace123]

The boys at fudzilla have received some information regarding upcoming GTX 780ti. Amd's time in the sun may be cut very short, at the least they will have to share the space if Nvidia has anything to say about it.

We have heard from multiple independent sources that the upcoming Geforce GTX 780 Ti will end up faster than the Titan, and obviously significantly faster than original Geforce GTX 780 card.

The Radeon R9 290X is giving Nvidia?s Titan a run for its money, at least in its noisy ?ber mode, but apparently 780 Ti can put some distance between these cards. Since the GTX 780 currently sells for $649 in most US etail stores and in Europe it costs just over ?500, we can only assume that GTX 780 TI performance will come at a high price, but with a Titan like cooler that we saw showcased at Nvidia?s Montreal The way it's meant to be played, the card could end up really quiet.

Let's not forget UK etail where GTX 780 sells for average ?499.99 with VAT.

We are not sure if GTX 780 Ti beats the Titan in all benchmarks, but it will definitely be faster in most of them. It remains to be seen what happens to the Titan, currently priced at $999, as the GTX 780 Ti launch will render this pricey card obsolete and uncompetitive.

One can only assume that there might be a Titan price drop happening after the 780 TI launch. The other possibility is that the Titan will be discontinued, if the Ti ends up significantly cheaper to produce.

In the US Titan cards sell for $999 and up, in the German market you can buy a Titan for ?800 and in the UK it?s ?779.99 on sale, or ?800+ on an average day. These cards make sense for people with 2560x1600 or higher resolution monitors and all settings cranked up to max.

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32...ter-than-titan

[DarthBeavis]

should I not install these two Titans in my LAN rig then?

[Ace123]

Lmao SLI Titans in a LAN rig....

[Dimitriman]

Way to cannibalize Nvidia... Sounds like a great card, but why not just drop Titan Price to $650 and 780 to $500? Allow some factory overclocked Titans and you've accomplished the same thing without needing to kill a 8 month old product.

[vario]

Im pretty sure nvidia doesnt want to sell fully enabled compute card for lower amount of $, it either stays or is EOL i think.

[bamtan2]

Way to cannibalize Nvidia... Sounds like a great card, but why not just drop Titan Price to $650 and 780 to $500? Allow some factory overclocked Titans and you've accomplished the same thing without needing to kill a 8 month old product.

you're wrong. releasing a full GK180 is not "the same thing" -- it's faster than titan and faster than 290x, and it's worth releasing.

[Dimitriman]

you're wrong. releasing a full GK180 is not "the same thing" -- it's faster than titan and faster than 290x, and it's worth releasing.

There is no reason to release a 780Ti besides for epenis effect. Sure the 290X is good but it is hotter and lounder than Titan, therefore the latter is still more competitive and going by Nvidia's perceived image, could still sell for $100 more than the 290X. To me this is a kneejerk reaction to add a few frames more than AMD and keep the "fastest card" in the market. It is also a clear sign that the mystical Maxwell is no where to be found any soon, and most likely will show up only on 20nm in late 2014....

[paulbagz]

Already have a thread for 780 Ti stuff?

-PB

[boxleitnerb]

It is also a clear sign that the mystical Maxwell is no where to be found any soon, and most likely will show up only on 20nm in late 2014....

No it is not. There are other performance segments besides "enthusiast"

[spursindonesia]

Good, the more the merrier. Bing it on nVidia, if you really can, and may the best product win.

[gojirasan]

There is no reason to release a 780Ti besides for epenis effect.

The 290x is significantly faster than the 780 and $100 cheaper. Even in quiet mode the 290x is faster. If they do nothing and keep their current price structure they *will* lose customers to AMD. Including me. I've never bought an AMD/ATI video card before, but I'll be damned if I'm going to buy a slower and more expensive card just because of AMDs crappy stock air cooler. So, yeah, I think there is a reason for them to do something. It's called remaining competitive. It's called not being a bunch of complete idiots and not treating their customers as if they are either.

They could just lower the price of the Titan to say $499 or something and discontinue the 780 altogether, but the 290x actually beats even the Titan in many cases. I don't think Nvidia likes to lose the prestige of having the fastest GPU for no good reason. It's one thing if AMD truly has them beaten in terms of technology, but if these rumours are true they don't. And most people aren't going to pay that much attention to the extra noise of the stock cooler. They'll just run it in quiet mode and/or plan on getting an aftermarket cooler for it later. For those of us with water cooling setups the cost of the water block is mostly paid for by the price difference and probably someone will start selling a more effective air cooler for the 290x.

As far as the extra power usage of the 290x that does bother me, but not as much as Nvidia trying to sell me a slower card for more money. If that's Nvidia's plan then I'll say thanks but no thanks.

[gojirasan]

No it is not. There are other performance segments besides "enthusiast"

None that matter.

[boxleitnerb]

None that matter.

Nonsense. Most revenue is generated in the $200 segment where GK104 resides. GK104 will be 2 years old in Q1/2014 and is bound to be replaced. A Maxwell GM104/106/108 can perfectly coexist with a GTX 780 Ti. That's the point of my argument that you probably didn't understand.

[Iconyu]

Nvidia are perfectly willing to sell at a loss, as long as it protects market share, this situation will balance out again Q2 2014 but until then lets enjoy the cheap cards.

[trinibwoy]

Way to cannibalize Nvidia... Sounds like a great card, but why not just drop Titan Price to $650 and 780 to $500? Allow some factory overclocked Titans and you've accomplished the same thing without needing to kill a 8 month old product.

Titan owners shouldn't care what NVidia does in the future. Whether they drop the price or introduce a faster card it doesn't change anything about the card they already own. If NVidia has enough good GK1x0 chips to release a faster version there's no reason they shouldn't do just that.

[[XC] Oj101]

GeForce GTX 780 Ti stock performance within ~3-5 % of a heavily (read: maxed out) air OC'd Radeon R9 290X in 3DM11.

[gojirasan]

Nonsense. Most revenue is generated in the $200 segment where GK104 resides. GK104 will be 2 years old in Q1/2014 and is bound to be replaced. A Maxwell GM104/106/108 can perfectly coexist with a GTX 780 Ti. That's the point of my argument that you probably didn't understand.

I don't own any Nvidia stock. Why should I care about what segment generates the most revenue? We are here to discuss news about real video cards (for instance). No one posting here is going to be buying a $200 video card any time soon. Do any of us really care what slow cards are being sold in that segment? It's just not important to any "enthusiast". So it makes a lot money. Whoopie. I could not care less. Those cards simply don't matter in any real sense. Not in terms of technology or progress. They certainly aren't news except maybe to Nvidia stockholders, which is something that I would *never* be.

[BababooeyHTJ]

Nvidia are perfectly willing to sell at a loss, as long as it protects market share, this situation will balance out again Q2 2014 but until then lets enjoy the cheap cards.

I've been hearing this "selling at a loss" bit here since GTX280. Yes, Nvidia has been selling all of their high end desktop graphics cards at a loss for the last five years.

I can't understand how they could only turn a profit at only $550.

[Aberration]

$550? Pretty persuasive to me.

[boxleitnerb]

I don't own any Nvidia stock. Why should I care about what segment generates the most revenue? We are here to discuss news about real video cards (for instance). No one posting here is going to be buying a $200 video card any time soon. Do any of us really care what slow cards are being sold in that segment? It's just not important to any "enthusiast". So it makes a lot money. Whoopie. I could not care less. Those cards simply don't matter in any real sense. Not in terms of technology or progress. They certainly aren't news except maybe to Nvidia stockholders, which is something that I would *never* be.

That is your right not to care about anything but enthusiast cards. Yet your statement about Maxwell was wrong, that's all I illustrated.

GeForce GTX 780 Ti stock performance within ~3-5 % of a heavily (read: maxed out) air OC'd Radeon R9 290X in 3DM11.

This information is very difficult to classify:

• Performance or Extreme preset? Most reviews see the 290X match or exceed Titan in P-Preset but behind it in X-Preset.
• What clocks for both cards? In 3DM11 there is no difference between Quiet and Uber mode for the 290X but about a 6% difference between a stock Titan (warmed up) and a Titan@1 GHz (power and temp target raised but still warmed up). Question is if Nvidia raised the 80C temp target vs Titan or not and if/how that affects boost clocks.
• Within as in "below" or "above"?

[Darakian]

Titan is being held up because of it's compute capacity. Remember that a tesla which is ~120% of a titan is ~400% of the titan's price. I'd love to see the price differential grow to 800%

[[XC] Oj101]

That is your right not to care about anything but enthusiast cards. Yet your statement about Maxwell was wrong, that's all I illustrated.



This information is very difficult to classify:

• Performance or Extreme preset? Most reviews see the 290X match or exceed Titan in P-Preset but behind it in X-Preset.
• What clocks for both cards? In 3DM11 there is no difference between Quiet and Uber mode for the 290X but about a 6% difference between a stock Titan (warmed up) and a Titan@1 GHz (power and temp target raised but still warmed up). Question is if Nvidia raised the 80C temp target vs Titan or not and if/how that affects boost clocks.
• Within as in "below" or "above"?

Stock clock speed on the 780 Ti puts it between 3 and 5 % below a 290X running at around 1150 MHz on the Performance Preset.

[MaddMuppet]

Stock clock speed on the 780 Ti puts it between 3 and 5 % below a 290X running at around 1150 MHz on the Performance Preset.

So if the 290x was running stock clocks, they would be neck and neck.

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

A titan is no replacement for a workstation card. It is still lacking most of the rendering compute features. It only has a option to enable FP64. This only benefits crunchers really. No benefit to workstation users that would be using a quadro. Titan still performs well in generic rendering applications though.

[[XC] Oj101]

Nvidia are perfectly willing to sell at a loss, as long as it protects market share, this situation will balance out again Q2 2014 but until then lets enjoy the cheap cards.

Who says anything about selling at a loss? The same silicon is used for multiple SKUs. TITAN being a card that sold for over $1000 (in many parts of the world its price hit as much as $1500) NVIDIA *could* charge that. Margins for NVIDIA on TITAN are stupidly high, while being quite low for the AIB partners. NVIDIA has a hell of a lot of headroom to play with the price, much more than people realise. TITAN could have launched at a price of several hundred dollars less and still turned a profit - but NVIDIA is in the business of making money, not saving other people money. They charge what the market dictates. When you consider how quickly the TITAN sold out time after time, I don't think even NVIDIA could have predicted how well it would do, and this shows that it wasn't "overpriced." Expensive or unaffordable to many, sure, but not overpriced.

This information is very difficult to classify:

• Performance or Extreme preset? Most reviews see the 290X match or exceed Titan in P-Preset but behind it in X-Preset.
• What clocks for both cards? In 3DM11 there is no difference between Quiet and Uber mode for the 290X but about a 6% difference between a stock Titan (warmed up) and a Titan@1 GHz (power and temp target raised but still warmed up). Question is if Nvidia raised the 80C temp target vs Titan or not and if/how that affects boost clocks.
• Within as in "below" or "above"?

Stock clock speed on the 780 Ti puts it between 3 and 5 % below a 290X running at around 1150 MHz on the Performance Preset.

By the way, I'm pretty sure the 780 Ti will use a new revision of GK110, not GK180. I don't see any need for validating ECC, etc on a consumer desktop card. GK110 can indeed have more CUDA cores.