New Nehalem MAC!

[perkam]

People who think the Mac Pro is overpriced are crazy. Its expensive, yes... But try to build it yourself for any real significant amount cheaper....

It can be done, but its not like youre saving thousands. Just dont buy extra ram from apple... Good god do they charge you for that ram!

You are saving at least a thousand actually. Check the post above yours. I updated it.

EDIT: I'll post it here:

High End Dual Nehalem Rig: (The Kind that Makes you Feel Sorry for the Guy that Paid $16k Barcelona Rig)

Good Board = $500
X5550's = $2,000/pair
12GB Memory (6x2GB ECC DDR3 1333) = $400
750W PSU = $150
2x1TB SATA Drives = $200
1x147GB 15K SCSI = $180
2xCPU Heatsinks = $120
ATI 4870 1GB = $180

Total: $3,730 + Shipping = $3,900

And that's a nice one too.

Perkam

[Movieman]

I do like that case though..
What value should we put on it?
$350.00? More?

I just went to the apple page and configured a machine almost identicle to what I'll be building;
Pair of 2930mhz gainestowns
single drive
6x1 gig memory
ATI 4870( I'll use a nVidia card that I have)
Their price: $6,099.00

Mine:$2551.00

[ZOMGVTEK]

Im saying in the base 8 core configuration...

Obviously when you start getting the multi thousand processor upgrade, thats just insane.

Although I dont like how they raised the price significantly from the previous 8 core standard model...

[perkam]

I do like that case though..
What value should we put on it?
$350.00? More?

It's definitely under $300.

You can start getting Aluminum Lian Li 11-Bay Full Towers @ $260:


Perkam

[ZOMGVTEK]

That case is 1/8" thick Aluminum, and very, very well designed. By far the best case I ever tore apart.
It would never work out well in a custom build... But people do it anyways.

And they sell for $300-400.

Most of the people in this community would never consider buying a prebuilt computer, let alone a Apple computer. And most would consider those who do to be some of the least intelligent people alive. And there isnt much room to convince them...

[lowfat]

Im saying in the base 8 core configuration...

Obviously when you start getting the multi thousand processor upgrade, thats just insane.

Although I dont like how they raised the price significantly from the previous 8 core standard model...

Ya that bothers me a lot. The base CPU''s they are using are worth $100 less each than the E5420's they used in the previous gen. Yet they are charging $300-$400 more for the base config. I was planning on buying an 8-core Gainestown MP but I most definitely will not now.

It's definitely under $300.

You can start getting Aluminum Lian Li 11-Bay Full Towers @ $260:

Perkam

No way would I take that Lian Li (or any Lian Li besides the PC-X2000) over a Mac Pro case. I doubt you will ever find a easier case to work on.

[perkam]

Ya that bothers me a lot. The base CPU''s they are using are worth $100 less each than the E5420's they used in the previous gen. Yet they are charging $300-$400 more for the base config. I was planning on buying an 8-core Gainestown MP but I most definitely will not now.


No way would I take that Lian Li (or any Lian Li besides the PC-X2000) over a Mac Pro case. I doubt you will ever find a easier case to work on.

MM asked the price of the case and if it was being sold without the plethora of accessories it wouldn't cost above $300. As the case is now with all the accessories you're easily looking at $500+ I concur.

Perkam

[Tonucci]

You are saving at least a thousand actually. Check the post above yours. I updated it.

EDIT: I'll post it here:

High End Dual Nehalem Rig: (The Kind that Makes you Feel Sorry for the Guy that Paid $16k Barcelona Rig)

Good Board = $500
X5550's = $2,000/pair
12GB Memory (6x2GB ECC DDR3 1333) = $400
750W PSU = $150
2x1TB SATA Drives = $200
1x147GB 15K SCSI = $180
2xCPU Heatsinks = $120
ATI 4870 1GB = $180

Total: $3,730 + Shipping = $3,900

And that's a nice one too.

Perkam

Even tho you forgot their (imo) wondeful case and the MAC-OS (some ppl love it and NEED it) prices, PC OS and minor things like a burner and fans, I'd still go the DIY route

The money saved could yield me an great monitor, better VGA(s), better audio HW, SSD's, RAID controller, etc etc...

And maybe even a mobo with OC'ing capabilities, be it by bios or software

And lets not forget the upgradability factor aswell.

[perkam]

Even tho you forgot their (imo) wondeful case and the MAC-OS prices, minor things like a burner and fans, I'd still go the DIY route

The money saved could yield me an great monitor, better VGA(s), better audio HW, SSD's, RAID controller, etc etc...

And maybe even a mobo with OC'ing capabilities, be it by bios or software

And lets not forget the upgradability factor aswell.

It wouldn't feel right having a server rig with an SSD...SCSI FTW

But yea, in that rig of mine you can add a nice full tower cae for $200 and round it up to $4,000.

Perkam

[Drwho?]

People who think the Mac Pro is overpriced are crazy. Its expensive, yes... But try to build it yourself for any real significant amount cheaper....

It can be done, but its not like youre saving thousands. Just dont buy extra ram from apple... Good god do they charge you for that ram!

I agree, This new baby price is remarkable ...
You get a really sweet chasis, with well build disk racks, and you can Dual boot or Virtualize with 16 threads ... 8 for Windows ... 8 for MAC OSX ..

[soundood]

here you go, bargain

[Macadamia]

I don't thing so..Not with even close to top cpu's..
X5570's =$3200.00+/pair
Motherboard=$500.00+/-
memory=6x1 gig Kingston $136.00 in US
Then add drives, case, a GOOD 750w PSU and your at close to $4500.00

BTW Dave the Mac Pro is a rather crappy Gainestown rig by your definition, so I can beat that right?

Let's see...

2X Intel E5506 2.13Ghz (2X 266USD = 532USD)
2.13Ghz is only 6% slower, but a HELL lot cheaper. Plus DDR3-800 is compensated with tri-channel, which is a must by then.

Intel/Asus workstation motherboard. 500USD +/-, we'll leave it at 500.

6GB of ECC DDR3, 136USD.

"Base" config (what makes it Gainestown) = 1168USD. 8 core yummy. Make CPUs faster and add more RAM for supersize.

WD Veloci 300GB or 2 Caviar Blacks 1TB in RAID. 200USD or 240USD. Supersize with X25-Es in RAID on a discrete card. For something less heavy, get SAS Cheetahs.

Radeon 4870 512MB. 170USD for the Sapphire version. Supersize with a FireGL/Quadro.

Supermicro CSE-743TQ-865B w/ 865W PSU. 330USD.

LG Blu-Ray Burner. 200USD.

2X Noctua NH-U12P. 170USD.

Total? 2238USD-2278USD.


The lowdown:

Mac Pro 4-core 2.66Ghz with 9800GT, 3GB RAM and Western Digital 640GB = 2500USD
Mac Pro 8-core 2.26Ghz, everything else the same = 3300USD

Macadamia's "Nutter" = 2200USD. I needed the Blu-ray burner for s and giggles!

[DdotRoq]

What is this talk about "Nehalem" this and "Xeon" that?!?

Its all about the Pentiums, baby!

[Donnie27]

look close, the X8DAi has 2-PCI-e X16's ver2..
The other has PCI-e X8's..
I'm going to do a review to be posted on March 30 to keep the powers that be happy. Trying to get a couple top vid cards to bang out some pretty numbers..
Don't own any SSD's but I have some 15.4K Seagate SAS drives and a low end promise SAS card..
I'll make some ripples in the water..

Drools and after 3 mins stops daydreaming. If I could get my hands on this MAC, I would. We have a few at work and they aren't that bad. The price on this on isn't a look different that the Falcon NW or other boutique Venders' products.:wink:

[Donnie27]

I agree, This new baby price is remarkable ...
You get a really sweet chasis, with well build disk racks, and you can Dual boot or Virtualize with 16 threads ... 8 for Windows ... 8 for MAC OSX ..

Very good price considering it's Apple.

http://store.apple.com/us/configure/...mco=NDE4NDIyMQ

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...ro?mco=MTE2NjQ

$3,299.00 and besides the misinformation posted here, $5K gets a good high-end workstation.

[Vozer]

[Shintai]

^^ That chart is wrong in several areas. Caches are not 4MB but 8MB. No dualcores etc.

[Movieman]

^^ That chart is wrong in several areas. Caches are not 4MB but 8MB. No dualcores etc.

He's grabbed that chart off of the Intel roadmap..
The three"W's" at the bottom are down the line for single socket boards.
Really just the same as the X33xx are now vs the Yorkfields..

[Shintai]

He's grabbed that chart off of the Intel roadmap..
The three"W's" at the bottom are down the line for single socket boards.

We can start with that 2.26ghz is 8MB cache. Thats a fact

[Movieman]

We can start with that 2.26ghz is 8MB cache. Thats a fact

E5520.. Yes..OOPs, I think so..

[Donnie27]

Something else to compare the MAC's price to!

http://www.ntra-net.com/2009/03/03/p...rful-notebook/

Phantom Core i7: the world’s most powerful notebook
This is the first notebook to come to market with the Intel Core i7 platform. Eurocom add the Xeon processor X5580-based Core i7 and reveals prices and features.

If you’re looking for maximum performance in a team and you do not mind the battery life or price, the Phantom, based on the Core i7 is your laptop, because it is the most powerful of the market, especially for the segment of stations working professionals.

At the option of the Core i7 Extreme, joins the mount Xeon X5580 3.2 GHz Intel X58 chipset with the team can integrate up to 24 Gbytes of DDR3 triple channel memory and 2 terabytes of storage capacity and up to four hard drives Supported RAID 0,1 and 5.

The screen has a resolution of 1600 x 1050 pixels and a size of 17 inches. As for the graphics system can mount a GeForce Go GTX 280 or Quadro M FX3700M with 1 Gbyte of memory.

Include webcam, Blu-ray recorder and extensive connectivity options including Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n. The consumption of CPU + GPU is 220 watts, so that the autonomy of the team is not measured in hours but in minutes.

Despite the inclusion of a battery of 12 cells, independent of the official team is set to 60 minutes, which in practice will be even lower. The base price starts at $ 3000, which amounts to $ 5000 to increase the configuration options available.

I think you could call that an Xtreme Notebook System

[Vozer]

We can start with that 2.26ghz is 8MB cache. Thats a fact

Yes, my mistake. Corrected.

You're really sharp when it comes to Intel, Shintai.

About the dual-core:

Originally Posted by DigiTimes
Intel is planning to launch Xeon 5500 (Nehalem-EP) and Xeon 3500 series (Nehalem-WS) server CPUs in the first quarter of 2009, according to sources at server makers.

Intel will launch ten CPUs for the Xeon 5500 series: quad-core W5580 (3.2GHz), X5570 (2.93GHz), X5560 (2.8GHz), X5550 (2.66GHz), E5540 (2.53GHz), E5530 (2.4GHz), E5520 (2.26GHz), E5506 (2.13GHz), E5504 (2GHz) and dual-core E5502 with prices at US$1,600, US$1,386, US$1,172, US$958, US$744, US$530, US$373, US$266, US$224 and US$188 in thousand-unit tray quantities.

[Shintai]

I think digitimes is wrong

The L5520 would also be 8MB btw. And W5580 server, not workstation. W is for 130W TDP.

[Movieman]

I think digitimes is wrong

The L5520 would also be 8MB btw. And W5580 server, not workstation. W is for 130W TDP.

Just to clarify a point; Some here aren't into the duals and they will miss your meaning.
Workstation = single socket
server= dual socket by the way you were talking

[Vozer]

I think digitimes is wrong

The L5520 would also be 8MB btw. And W5580 server, not workstation. W is for 130W TDP.

But what about Tom's Hardware, then? Actually, most of my information is based on them.