AMD: You'll be pleasantly surprised

[Xello]

wow.. there are still people who believe there's a discernible difference in stability/quality between nVidia and ATI drivers..
That's like.. still believing the Earth is plane.. it's so 2001..

Yes there are, that you haven't necessarily had problems doesn't mean other people haven't

[cegras]

Yes there are, that you haven't necessarily had problems doesn't mean other people haven't

The exact same thing can be said for nvidia drivers (assuming you mean ATI's stigma for making bad drivers). I've had nothing but serious trouble dealing with nvidia.

Symptoms:
- L4D borked for a while with 'big bang' drivers
- System would lock, and graphical corruption ensues (source games)
- Upon quiting to desktop, doing anything causes 100% CPU and the OS will freeze (mouse still able to move) for 10+ seconds

[Xello]

The exact same thing can be said for nvidia drivers (assuming you mean ATI's stigma for making bad drivers).

I mean both, as per the quote:

difference in stability/quality between nVidia and ATI drivers

If you ask me, and this is just my humble opinion, it's nonsense to disregard other people's problems with company X's hardware/software on the sole basis that you haven't experienced those problems yourself.

For the record yeah ATI software was a nightmare for me, but life's too short to go on about it on a forum forever, if it doesn't work don't use it - get something else and move on.

If that doesn't work either? Buy a console

[Final8ty]

The pinnacle of futility.

[Chrono Detector]

I've had problems with both NVIDIA and ATI drivers.

[LiberalElephant]

I've had problems with both NVIDIA and ATI drivers.

Luckily I've never had problems with either of their drivers. The thing that scares me away from ATI cards if there is a roughly equivalent nVidia part is ATI's lackluster board partners. I wish EVGA would start making ATI cards.

....Anyway I hope ATI's next gen is even more of a success than the 48xx series!

[trinibwoy]

If the die size is the same as the 4890, does anyone have any idea how many transistors could be fitted using the 40nm process? I guess a rough figure could be extrapolated using the 4770 info and scaling up...

Depends on what they change architecturally if anything. It's really hard to guess because they could theoretically put out a DX11 compliant part with small tweaks to RV770. Or they could do a full overhaul, it's just hard to read AMD right now.

On the other hand, Nvidia isn't shy about publicizing its priorities so we can probably expect them to spend/waste/invest even more transistors on general computing this time around. What that means for die size and performance comparisons is anyone's guess.

[Smartidiot89]

I've had problems with both NVIDIA and ATI drivers.

So in the end we should all abandon Nvidia, AMD and Intel and go for VIA hardware

[generics_user]

Luckily I've never had problems with either of their drivers. The thing that scares me away from ATI cards if there is a roughly equivalent nVidia part is ATI's lackluster board partners. I wish EVGA would start making ATI cards.

....Anyway I hope ATI's next gen is even more of a success than the 48xx series!

XFX?

but i hardly keep cards for more than 2 years and most AIB partners offer 2-year warrantys

[Glow9]

I hope we don't see a 2900 series-esque episode.

AMD has been running a very nice show lately though, keep it up!

This came to mind too. However they got rid of CEO Captain a$$ hat to things have been looking up

[JohnZS]

This came to mind too. However they got rid of CEO Captain a$$ hat to things have been looking up

You mean this dude?

[Donnie27]

This came to mind too. However they got rid of CEO Captain a$$ hat to things have been looking up

JohnZS Quote:

You mean this dude?

He did one thing right, he helped the EU get most of the 1.8 Billion they've invested in AMD back

[TheVaLVe]

Never have any problem with Nvidia or ATI on hardware or software wise. Bang for the bucks still the main point for me.

[ToTTenTranz]

If you ask me, and this is just my humble opinion, it's nonsense to disregard other people's problems with company X's hardware/software on the sole basis that you haven't experienced those problems yourself.

For the record yeah ATI software was a nightmare for me, but life's too short to go on about it on a forum forever, if it doesn't work don't use it - get something else and move on.

If that doesn't work either? Buy a console

There's a difference between:

"I've had problems with ATI/nVidia drivers, some of which weren't solved while I had the graphics card".
^^^ Plausible, right? Happened to me with both nVidia and ATI cards.

and


"ATI/nVidia drivers suckz0rs!!! I had two gazillion driver BUGZZ per second with ATI/nVidia cards and when I changed to nVidia/ATI everything got PEEERFECT! Zero BUGZ! And performance went up 2000%, the weather got better, my car suddenly has 200hp more than before and my girlfriend likes my sexual performance again!!!"
^^^ Unfortunately, this what you see more often in forums..

[Kaldor]

nahhh... im expecting a 4000 series repeat, and with some luck it might get close to a 9700 pro series repeat... that would be cool

Would be nice to see. The 9XXX cards beat Nvidia a beating back then for quite awhile. I still have a 9700 Pro churning away in my brothers PC, complete with 80mm fan rigged to it as the stock fan failed years ago.

[Luka_Aveiro]

Most problems related with computers ly between the chair and the screen

Nvidia drivers are, according with my experience, better than ATI's, but I don't really care about that, I just want to play some games...

[Glow9]

Most problems related with computers ly between the chair and the screen

Nvidia drivers are, according with my experience, better than ATI's, but I don't really care about that, I just want to play some games...

LOL I like your quote didn't think anyone paid any attention to my rantings.

[Xello]

"ATI/nVidia drivers suckz0rs!!! I had two gazillion driver BUGZZ per second with ATI/nVidia cards and when I changed to nVidia/ATI everything got PEEERFECT! Zero BUGZ! And performance went up 2000%, the weather got better, my car suddenly has 200hp more than before and my girlfriend likes my sexual performance again!!!"
^^^ Unfortunately, this what you see more often in forums..

Sadly you are correct

[orangekiwii]

luke averiro u mean the keyboard right or the mouse?

[BababooeyHTJ]

very well said, i would probaly went with an ATI card years ago, but i am fed up hearing

"catalyst 9.'insert version' released, hope it fixes my 'insert problem', ohh no it doesnt, maybe i will just 'insert tempory solution' in the meantime, till they release another version.

you just never hear that with Nvidia, and for me, driver nonsense i cant stand, there is no excuse for it.

Have you used any recent Nvidia driver? I'm also guessing that you don't ever post at Guru3d either. Nvidia drivers have been garbage for a few months now and I remember when they implemented physix there drivers were terrible for months as well.

[i found nemo]

"ATI/nVidia drivers suckz0rs!!! I had two gazillion driver BUGZZ per second with ATI/nVidia cards and when I changed to nVidia/ATI everything got PEEERFECT! Zero BUGZ! And performance went up 2000%, the weather got better, my car suddenly has 200hp more than before and my girlfriend likes my sexual performance again!!!"

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[soundood]

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you sigged that?


why?

[hurleybird]

I don't think I've ever had Nvidia drivers that don't randomly crash once in awhile. They're mostly stable, but it's still very annoying when it happens, especially L4D multiplayer which seems to love crashing the display driver.

[K404]

you sigged that?


why?

Counter-sigged

[i found nemo]

you sigged that?


why?

i liked the sarcasm and the humor in general.