I think this is a great idea from AMD, and something OEM and channel partners can really sink their teeth into.
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AMD had more than 10 different notebook offerings on hand from MSI, HP, Toshiba, and Acer to name a few. AMD executives walked us through the hardware in these new notebooks and discussed how they developed the VISION brand. Leslie Sobon, AMD vice president of product marketing, said most of their market research indicated that consumers found it very challenging to find what they needed in retail settings and many were looking for systems that were geared toward entertainment and gaming. Their research also suggested that these features were more important to consumers over higher-end processors, memory, and even storage space.
Does AMD have anything good in the mobile sector yet? Phenom II is a good products and so are its recent Athlon II in the value sector. But if I see AMD in a notebook, I get the heck away and I know much of the public shares this sentiment.
This branding is going to do nothing until AMD gets a good mobile processor to buzz with it.
they have a turion2 with the 785g chipset, its better than the intel platform for general use and media while getting way better battery life for videos thnx to AVIVO and uvd2
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Does AMD have anything good in the mobile sector yet? Phenom II is a good products and so are its recent Athlon II in the value sector. But if I see AMD in a notebook, I get the heck away and I know much of the public shares this sentiment.
This branding is going to do nothing until AMD gets a good mobile processor to buzz with it.
^^^Outdated and stale propoganda.
AMD's upcoming mobile platform's are top notch and very attractive products. You want to focus on the CPU only, but the fact of the matter is that AMD has the advantage of having the best mobile GPU out there, and that is where the biggest opportunity in mobile is.
And also, I think it's safe to say, you don't speak for much of the public especially because much of the public couldn't tell you if a CPU is a Central Processing Unit, or a Client Powering Up. You're thinking with blinkers, because there is much more to a mobile platform than an isolated CPU.
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Which is not to say that these mobile CPU's aren't competitive anyway, they fit pretty well in the space they are targeting.
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The thing is people care about CPU the most. Not that many people game, hence the success of netbooks. Cant AMD mobile GPU be used on intels platform to.
Honestly, its even difficult to find review of AMD mobile chips. I put in turion x2 II and didn't get a review on the first couple pages, all I got was turion I x2 articles from 2006. Its even harder to get a comparison test.
I can't find any reviews that are recent really. All I find are HP tablet reviews and these are not highly rated. They typically do bad in both performance and battery life.
long active battery life... with 65nm parts... right... :P
and wow, they support picture and picture and dvd upscaling... wtf? thats what their market research told them customers want?
long active battery life... with 65nm parts... right... :P
and wow, they support picture and picture and dvd upscaling... wtf? thats what their market research told them customers want?
First the Vision lineup does have 45nm Turion II Ultras that clock up to 2.7Ghz with 35W TDP rating... These are Athlon IIs(Regors) with really low power draw. All 10h goodness we have with Phenom II applies here.So the CPU part is more than fine,it's on par with mobile C2Ds at similar clocks/TDPs.
IGP/chipset is clearly superior part of Vision,there is not much more to say there.
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i've choosed a new notebook (hp dv6-2020eg) for my parents and it's based on the new amd tigris platform. even though the cpu isn't the best i think the complete package (which amd now calls "vision") is pretty good if you ask me. the notebook features a turion 2 x2 m500 with 2,2ghz, radeon 4650 and 4gb of ram. the price for such a notebook is around 600-700€.
as a multimedia/entertainment notebook it completely satisfies the needs (hd movies, games, etc.).
didn't run many benchmarks yet, but if it's of interest i can do some proper benchmarking and share the results. as far as i tested it scored around 12xxx-13000 points in 3dmark05 (for comparison: my old athlon 64 4000+ with a 7800gt scores around 7000 points @stock settings).
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The TDP is on par, but I'm not currently sure the lower power states are. Since that's where a laptop is going to spend most of its time, that's what makes sense to compare and contrast.
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Does AMD have anything good in the mobile sector yet? Phenom II is a good products and so are its recent Athlon II in the value sector. But if I see AMD in a notebook, I get the heck away and I know much of the public shares this sentiment.
This branding is going to do nothing until AMD gets a good mobile processor to buzz with it.
you need i7 notebook to render HD video?
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Not at all, just good battery life and good multitasking performance. AMD battery life was being destroyed lately, especially if you want comparable performance to the competition. I use a core 2duo Vaio TT which just uses a 1.2ghz ULV processor but it has 7.5 hours of battery life with wifi and constant surfing with also typing going on at 60% brightness. Its about 2.8 pounds 11." screen, with a dvd burner. Show me something comparable from AMD. Even if there exist such a laptop from AMD, I doubt you could find a review, which lies the problem with AMD marketing. I can name of lots intel laptops that can do this and more, the ULxxVT comes to mind.
Also show me the reviews, I would rather have real evidence, than anecdotal evidence.
Not at all, just good battery life and good multitasking performance....
Perfect, then you'll be happy with either an AMD based system or an intel based system, so the rest is really a moot point. However, OEM's and partners Fusion partners seem to be very happy with the entire platform, and the new Vision brand.
BTW, what is your standard for measuring battery life?
Does AMD have anything good in the mobile sector yet? Phenom II is a good products and so are its recent Athlon II in the value sector. But if I see AMD in a notebook, I get the heck away and I know much of the public shares this sentiment.
This branding is going to do nothing until AMD gets a good mobile processor to buzz with it.
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long active battery life... with 65nm parts... right... :P
and wow, they support picture and picture and dvd upscaling... wtf? thats what their market research told them customers want?
Perfect, then you'll be happy with either an AMD based system or an intel based system, so the rest is really a moot point. However, OEM's and partners Fusion partners seem to be very happy with the entire platform, and the new Vision brand.
BTW, what is your standard for measuring battery life?
My standard for battery life, is basically what you would do on a work day. E.g surf net and office applications and listen to music on headphones. If I got a desktop replacement, battery life would not matter so much. But I have never got a desktop replacement.
The thing is, before I purchase a laptop, I check reviews before I buy. I don't trust manufacturers battery life. AMD reviews are hard to find on their new stuff. This is what makes it difficult to buy them, even if they did have good products. CPU wise I haven't see AMD evolve much in the mobile world. I see turion x2 processors, but the original turion lost to perfomance and battery life to the original pentium M. With core 2 duo, I can only see that gap getting bigger.
I can't find any reviews for their new stuff at all. Its damn frustrating, I have been looking for the last hours just now, to change my mind about AMD mobile processors and I can't find any reviews. I put in Turion II ultra review and get nothing. Turion x2 gets nearly nothing and the reviews are ancient. AMD marketing department really dropped the ball on this one.
well, my turion II x2 m500 (2,2ghz caspian) scores 1777 points in 3dmark06. according to http://www.notebookcheck.com/Mobile-...te.1809.0.html the cpu is on par with a core 2 duo T6400/T6570/T7350/T7400/P7370 which are 2-2,2ghz merom/penryn cpus.
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well, my turion II x2 m500 (2,2ghz caspian) scores 1777 points in 3dmark06. according to http://www.notebookcheck.com/Mobile-...te.1809.0.html the cpu is on par with a core 2 duo T6400/T6570/T7350/T7400/P7370 which are 2-2,2ghz merom/penryn cpus.
Like I said,new Turion II Ultras based on 45nm Regor 10h cores are really on par or better than mobile Penryns wrt to perf./watt, which sort of present a base line for comparison.Old Turion X2 weren't bad either,but had slightly lower performance with worse battery life than Merom ones(not only because of the CPUs,but the whole platform).
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i very seriously considered getting a hp dm3z. its a pretty good laptop if you can manage with the neo x2's cpu power.
full metal body i believe, and hd3200 is a great igp.
the turion 2 ultras on the other hand, dont seem that great to me.
no really i have been trying to find reviews as well......why are there not any reviews?
It is hard to find a good, comprehensive review comparing CPU or GPU makers in the mobile area -- all else being equal. This is due to the fact that lappies are more strongly OEM branded, and are more strongly differentiated between OEMs than are desktops.
It is difficult to get to a true apples to apples comparison, invariably there is usually some critical difference that spoils the results on key measures. For example, a reviewer may find two laptops with the same HD, memory, and screen specs, but one ships with 6 cell vs 8 cell battery, or they figure out how to find one with the same batter by have different screen sizes, all this affects battery life measurements.
www.notebookreviews.com is a good place, and Anandtech and Techreport will both do notebook reviews.
have long tried to answer that question, but the best we could do up until this point was to compare "similar" laptops. Getting the same LCD, hard drive, optical drive, and most importantly battery has been very difficult -- so difficult that we have not been able to do it.
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HP's Pavilion line of notebooks always has both AMD and Intel models. Several of them these days are using identical battery packs. (I just bought one of those Boston/Ecopower-whatever packs to replace the dead original in my dv5z, it's usable in quite a large number of models.) As for hard drive and optical drive, they're removable and interchangeable. Even if they don't ship with identical models, you can always install an identical pair yourself. (I order laptops with the smallest HDD now, and immediately swap them with an SSD when I receive them.) For LCDs, the laptops within a model are using the same screens already. (E.g. dv5z and dv5t.) I think the only remaining question is the CPU, GPU, and chipset. (Ok, there's other stuff plugged in that can make a difference, wifi, with or without integrated bluetooth, 3G broadband, etc. etc. Most notebook reviewers are trying to review complete notebooks though. They're not trying to do a detailed CPU comparison, and they're not going to open them up to swap out the wifi etc. to make the systems nearly identical. With some of these new machines the stupid wifi card has to be on a whitelist anyway, so you can't even swap them easily...)
Is it just me, or has the selection of whitebox notebooks completely dried up? It would sure make things easier if you could just buy a barebones notebook chassis/motherboard and plug in what you want.
...I can't find any reviews for their new stuff at all. Its damn frustrating, I have been looking for the last hours just now...
This is sort of my point to you. Which is why I was a little confused when you made this absolute blanket statement...
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But what's really interesting is that nearly all reviews i've read test battery life by either playing a DVD, or letting the thing idle. Now, how many people fit in that category? How many people buy their notebook to either exlusively play DVD's, or sit and watch their computer idle away. I remember something about AMD proposing a standard that tries to address this problem, and I also remember almost violent opposition to it. It's pretty clear though that a standard with a more realistic method that encompases what people actually use their notebooks for, is needed.
Not at all, just good battery life and good multitasking performance. AMD battery life was being destroyed lately, especially if you want comparable performance to the competition. I use a core 2duo Vaio TT which just uses a 1.2ghz ULV processor but it has 7.5 hours of battery life with wifi and constant surfing with also typing going on at 60% brightness. Its about 2.8 pounds 11." screen, with a dvd burner. Show me something comparable from AMD. Even if there exist such a laptop from AMD, I doubt you could find a review, which lies the problem with AMD marketing. I can name of lots intel laptops that can do this and more, the ULxxVT comes to mind.
Also show me the reviews, I would rather have real evidence, than anecdotal evidence.
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