Well, it looks like sb is in for a world of hurt.
Well, it looks like sb is in for a world of hurt.
Factor in the fact that the comparison was to a part running at 22.5% higher clockspeed on the games that are single-threaded.
The retail parts will have turbo active, and will slightly outclock the older parts, in addition to their significant IPC advantage.
Looks like AMD is about to get Conroed, again.
Last edited by terrace215; 08-27-2010 at 04:02 PM.
So ~35-40% single thread perfomance advantage over Thuban at the same clocks? How's AMD going to close that gap?
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Obviously with more cores.. but for singel threaded performance...
So maybe informal's guesses about BD single thread performace increase over Deneb wheren't that farfechted at all... or better they are neccecery to keep the same performance gap as they have now when you compare deneb/nehalem.
Well looks so-so for overclocking enthusiasts, it much depends like anandtech pointed out several times on the pricing of the K SKUs and OCability. SB looks a lot more attractive to non-overclockers tho if those prices will be true cuz u get a decent boost in clock frequency for the same price as previous gen. :p
Really wonder how far the unlocked chips can be clocked. On the paper with signicantly higher stock speeds and less power consumption and 32nm it sounds like it could have a decent OCability if you simply look back and compare overclockability of say Conroe - todays CPUs. Imagine if 4.7 ~ 4.8GHz was possible on high vcore (1.3~1.35v) and 4.3~4.6GHz on say 1.2~1.25v or sth like that, then paying the price premium for the K SKU wouldn't be an issue for overclockers either I think. :p Pure speculation though and I may be very far from the reality but 1.0v stock vcore (prolly just energy saving state so could actually be sth like 1.10~1.15v set in bios though), 3.4GHz clock speeds from launch, lower power consumption and 32nm sounds like a good recipé from an OC standpoint...
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AMD doesn't need to give anything to a review site. They can simply release the information on a slide at some future event. Let's hope for the sake of sane CPU prices that AMD can get something out the door before September 2011. I'm personally going to SB myself as I'm not going to wait for AMD. I had a spark of enthusiasm in the other AMD thread, but after seeing some SB numbers, that spark is extinguished.
Last edited by freeloader; 08-27-2010 at 04:24 PM.
As quoted by LowRun......"So, we are one week past AMD's worst case scenario for BD's availability but they don't feel like communicating about the delay, I suppose AMD must be removed from the reliable sources list for AMD's products launch dates"
funniest post in the thread
i do want amd to drive bulldozer all over intel's lineup, shake up the market a bit, bring prices down, and drive some more inovation. however, amd has had some real problems delivering on the cpu side of the business and i'm worried they might be trying to pull an nvidia (show world + dog what they're working on without having any working samples or knowing where performance will be).
i guess we'll know for sure q2 2011...
My god, I am almost ashamed to own intel with the collective-patting-on-the-back of terrance, stargazer, and co.
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Intel's atom is a terrible chip.
FPS up--> IQ down ! ---> Intel Graphics HD !
When AMD had 64-bit and Intel had only 32-bit, they tried to tell the world there was no need for 64-bit. Until they got 64-bit.
When AMD had IMC and Intel had FSB, they told the world "there is plenty of life left in the FSB" (actual quote, and yes, they had *math* to show it had more bandwidth). Until they got an IMC.
When AMD had dual core and Intel had single core, they told the world that consumers don't need multi core. Until they got dual core.
When intel was using MCM, they said it was a better solution than native dies. Until they got native dies. (To be fair, we knocked *unconnected* MCM, and still do, we never knocked MCM as a technology, so hold your flames.)by John Fruehe
Would be real nice with benches with turbo off on all chips, or better yet, with turbo on on all chips.
Even if you can do some calculations, you still can't do any accurate perdictions.
You can of course never get to much processor speed. But now it seems like we are getting spoiled here. I remember when processor speed mattered more than graphics cards, and when you actully felt a big difference from going up a notch. Of course a speed bump then was more like 15-30% higher frequency, against 3-5% today.
hopefully BD will have a smaller gap than today's Nehalem vs Deneb...
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Not feeling the ~$500 for a 4c 8t overclockable 2600K
You mean all the times in the past few months where my posts were those asking you to stop being arrogant in requesting info, making overblown assumptions about AMD, and generally spreading FUD? I mean, I haven't contributed anything more than that other than calling you and your company out for the collective-back-patting.
Do I have to go through this thread and quote all of you to show you how terrible it's getting? Let's try:
Considering you can play games at 60 fps on 15" resolution with the lowest details, I really do see why you're so excited. I really do. (I really don't)
^ My god, you're so excited about SB you had to double post.
Last edited by cegras; 08-27-2010 at 05:16 PM.
E7200 @ 3.4 ; 7870 GHz 2 GB
Intel's atom is a terrible chip.
Yeah, 20% IPC increases just fall from the trees everyday... totally worthless! Meanwhile, Phenom II owners will... what? wait until Q4 of next year to buy a new BD platform for a Zambezi that will be significantly behind the competition? That's right, BD is officially NOT Am3 compatible:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...forms_AMD.html
Last edited by terrace215; 08-27-2010 at 05:22 PM.
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