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    NF7 Vio-Vmem stabilization mod

    "NF7 Vio-Vmem stabilization mod"




    How to reach upper than 230Mhz on NF7(-S) rev2.0 ?

    This thread is not supposed to be exact in all case , but i hope it will help some of you guys. I just want to share my experience like I did with the L12 mod , I only hope that this time nobody will burn me into flammes for being inovative

    I don't know how to call this a mod, because it is not : but if it needs a name I would call it "NF7 Vio-Vmem stabilization mod"

    Most of this thread is useless if you are already used to NF7 modding, go directly to NF7-S verification voltages

    My specs:

    ANtec True Power 430W 3.3V moded
    XP1700+ 308 DLT3C that can do 2.55Ghz at 2.0V
    NF7-S rev2 with Ultra-400 northbridge (week 0316) that would not do 230Mhz stable - Bios 1.0
    2*512Mo OCZ PC3500-EL that can do 240Mhz at 3.10V
    ATI sapphire 9500Pro
    cooling : PGEO edenweiss cpu waterbloc, PGEO chipset bloc and PGEO graphic bloc.


    1) Hard stuffs requiered :
    [*]Voltmeter/Ohmeter[*]2 Kohms variator[*]2*10 Kohms variator[*]good northbridge cooling (watercooling or Zalman NB32J) [*]Zalman NB32J http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/product/nb32j.htm
    [*]and finaly some good brand memory that could do the freqeuncy you aim at.
    (I got 2*512 Mo OCZ PC3500-EL that will do little above 240Mhz still testing)



    2) softwares requiered :
    [*]Memtest-86 burnt onto a CDROM bootable : link[*]Prime95 : link




    First of all thx for everyone that helped me for all the mods and teachings.



    3) Context story :

    After having some trouble with the 1st version of the NF7-S rev2.0 like 12V, 3.3V rails fluctuations, i deciced to vmod my Antec True Power 430W. This increadibly made me to reach 9*240Mhz stable. But i didn't know what i made to do it, so many mods in and so many hours of burning. ANd my aim was 10*240Mhz.
    Then I made some thing wrong and all messed up : i had to RMA the board and to clean all the Vmod off. This is why this time, i made the minimum possible and pick out what wrong and what good.


    4) NF7-S preparation

    First of all, you must check the undervolting on the 5V , 12V and 3.3V rails.
    Must always have all the more on full charge (like with Prime95):
    -3.3>3.4v but we will see later why not 3.3v
    -5v>4.9v
    -12v>11.8v
    If they are not stable, U will need to Vmod your PSU, just check on Xtream Vmods to get the one you need.

    Ok, now you have a motherboard with great voltage, be sure that in next steps thats not your cpu that is holding you back.

    Next step is little northbridge cooling : i had to lap a little to fix my watercool flatly.

    Then take the Zalman NB32J and fix it on the southbridge.

    Now, just do the Vdd and Vdimm mods as explain here with the 2* 10Kohms variators (i know it is said to use a 1 Kohm for Vdimm mod but use the 10 Kohm).

    THe best bios for NF7-S is 1.0 for FSB maximum but there is a limit of 250 Mhz (later ones allow up to 300Mhz). You can flash your Mother board from windows with ABIT software tool : Abit Flashmenu, but make sure before you do that that Prime95 will pass more than 30 minutes without any errors (meaning your computer is stable enough to flash from windows)

    5) NF7-S verification voltages

    Now that you have a complete Vmoded NF7 with stable voltage, you will be able to boot the bios other 240Mhz with descent Vdimm and Vdd, if not make sure you have a 166Mhz cpu (barton or XP2600+) if you are like me with a XP1700+, just do the L12 mod. like that or that

    We will begin to benchmark memtest98 from the bootable cdrom.
    set the Vdd and Vdimm to what it need do boot and enter bios without any problem (for my part vdd=1.8V and Vdimm=3.1V)

    Most important tests in memtest are the test#1 and test#5
    test#1 errors : your timings are to tight
    test#5 errors : your voltages are not stable
    if memtest crash or freeze : Vdd is not enough
    tip : to run test#5 without waiting test#2 through test#4 just type that at the end of test#1 : c + 2 + 5 + 5 + enter + 0




    6) Most important of all this thread : the "NF7 Vio-Vmem stabilization mod"!
    during test#5 (the most power hungry test) you need to check the effective vdimm and the High voltage on the mosfet near the Vdimm mod.


    CONTRARY to most people state, VDIMM on NF7-S is directly dependant to 3.3v rail.

    here a table :
    3.3V-High voltage-Effective Vdimm

    in bios 3.3V-3.35V-3.10V (i set with vdimm mod to 3.1V)
    in memtest#5 3.3V-3.15V-3.04V (during test#5 and under full load in prime95 the Vdimm drops and errors appear)

    "NF7 Vio-Vmem stabilization mod": Just up your 3.3V rail up to 3.4V or 3.5V depending on the reading of the High voltage Value
    in bios : 3.45V-3.45V-3.10V (note that i didn't change the value of the 10K ohms variator)
    in memtest#5 3.42V-3.29V-3.10V (at least vdimm is stable !!!!! and memtest#5 looping pass succesfully)

    The rules that I state for this mod is :

    3.3V rail regules 'High Voltage' that should be 'Effective Vdimm+0.2V' otherwise, your Vdimm will fluctuate under full load and crash.
    don't go above 3.5V on 3.3V for safety.



    7) Pros and Cons :

    At least you have a descent computer with descent speed - i'm joking right ? -
    At least your memory that cost more than twice the Motherboard will reach its limits

    But you void the PSU waranty
    But your DDRAM modules will fry if you don't have a good air flow
    But i lost a lot of time for modding for 10-15Mhz more LOL

    8) warning
    Be carefull you can fry any components of your computer with this mod : DDRAM, PSU, NF7 and use it at your own risk.
    Last edited by xigfrid; 08-15-2003 at 06:30 AM.

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    forgot to mention the 10 bios. some people get amazing clocks with it.

    great article!

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    hehe thx saaya, i ll add bios 1.0 for sure

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    Hmm. I never got the bios 10 stable

    Have tha 18 now and all is fine. Never thought this crappy new bios can be my HERO

    See sig: 11,5x240

    BTW, xigfrid: I know Memtest is not a good way testing for mem stability. Goldmem is way better

    Looped 12hours test5 and then #11. No error appeared. But Goldmemory errored after few seconds. Proven to me by the fact win2k has also been not stable for me. (some weeks and boards ago )

    Check it out... Just my
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    nice information m8, I'm so lazy that i didn't try anything else than memtest, but make sure that i ll use Goldmem now, just b/c test#5 is sooooo long to finish


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    where can i get this 1.0 or 10 bios from?

    thanx

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    Originally posted by SAE
    Hmm. I never got the bios 10 stable
    BTW, xigfrid: I know Memtest is not a good way testing for mem stability. Goldmem is way better

    Looped 12hours test5 and then #11. No error appeared. But Goldmemory errored after few seconds. Proven to me by the fact win2k has also been not stable for me. (some weeks and boards ago )
    Actually the test you need to run is Test 8, Test 5 is not that stressful,

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    Sweet mod. I love how u prove the vmem fluctuates under load, and also prove the 3.3V mod fixes it.

    Now somebody find a place to measure v-core like that.... please??? Everybody knows their vcore fluctuates on these boards, but I'd like a spot to test w/ a multimeter instead of using the board's measurements. If we could find and verify a way to stabilize the vcore... sweet overclocking ownage.

    Oh, and lemme suggest a name for this mod; how about: "NF7 Vio-Vmem stabilization mod?"

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    Sorry for being dumb, but if i understand correct, you are saying that 'high voltage' should always be 0.2V higher than 'effective Vdimm' under load in order to get the Vdimm stable and can establish that by raising the 3.3V rail, right?
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    Originally posted by Azh_fx
    where can i get this 1.0 or 10 bios from?

    thanx
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    Originally posted by Azh_fx
    HELLO

    Originally posted by saaya
    http://www.motherboardfaqs.com/news.php
    I've heard it all, I've seen it all, I've done it all. I just don't remember any of it.

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    Originally posted by Calcu
    Actually the test you need to run is Test 8, Test 5 is not that stressful,

    Calcu
    Well i 'll try it out also


    Originally posted by Zeus
    Sorry for being dumb, but if i understand correct, you are saying that 'high voltage' should always be 0.2V higher than 'effective Vdimm' under load in order to get the Vdimm stable and can establish that by raising the 3.3V rail, right?
    Perfectly right, but actually , i think that 0.15V higher should be ok

    Originally posted by DarKcyde

    Sweet mod. I love how u prove the vmem fluctuates under load, and also prove the 3.3V mod fixes it.

    Now somebody find a place to measure v-core like that.... please??? Everybody knows their vcore fluctuates on these boards, but I'd like a spot to test w/ a multimeter instead of using the board's measurements. If we could find and verify a way to stabilize the vcore... sweet overclocking ownage.

    Oh, and lemme suggest a name for this mod; how about: "NF7 Vio-Vmem stabilization mod?"
    U r welcome M8.

    The Vcore fluctuations depends on the northbridge you have, i only owned rev1.2 (with A1 NB) and 3*rev2.0 (2*with C1 and the last one is the C1 NB with Ultra-400 written on it) The rev1.2 and Ultra-400 C1 has accurate Vcore out of the box, but the two others fluctuate like hell until i bump up a little the 12V-rail.

    I agree with your name, much more accurate than the one i suggested, i ll change that

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    Ok, done the mod, still not able to run PiFast at 230 without **Error in computation**.
    I measured 3.1V for effective Vdimm and 3.28V for high voltage and had to raise Vio to 3.44V
    I tried 3.47V but got BSOD.

    The only thing left to change now is my bios, i have bios d11 and tried to flash back to bios d10 but got message NTDR (or something like that) is missing.

    What on earth am i doing wrong here?
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    Originally posted by Zeus
    Ok, done the mod, still not able to run PiFast at 230 without The only thing left to change now is my bios, i have bios d11 and tried to flash back to bios d10 but got message NTDR (or something like that) is missing.

    What on earth am i doing wrong here?
    Seems that your cpu hasn't enough Vcore, i when i got this error in general rising Vcore +0.15-+0.20V resolve the problem.

    Have you tryed high FSB with low overclock ?

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    Originally posted by xigfrid
    Seems that your cpu hasn't enough Vcore, i when i got this error in general rising Vcore +0.15-+0.20V resolve the problem.

    Have you tryed high FSB with low overclock ?
    I tried 11.5x220=2530MHz and it was ok but 11x230=2530MHz but gave error in computation.
    This was with 2.03Vcore and 1.9Vdd, if i raise Vdd above 1.9V it give me the blues (BSOD)
    It really looks like my mobo is maxed out.
    Might try another bios as soon as i have the right file's to flash it.
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    Originally posted by Zeus
    I tried 11.5x220=2530MHz and it was ok but 11x230=2530MHz but gave error in computation.
    This was with 2.03Vcore and 1.9Vdd, if i raise Vdd above 1.9V it give me the blues (BSOD)
    It really looks like my mobo is maxed out.
    Might try another bios as soon as i have the right file's to flash it.
    Bios 10 also gave an error at high fsbs...

    Finally tried the 18 out and... BANG... 11,5x240, but not perfecly stable. It's too hot. 11,5x238 is 100% stable cause I can game etc... at that

    Never thought the 18 is up to it

    Mobo is easily maxed out when using high vdd/high vcore/and NO HIGH Multipliers. Cannot even boot at 11x240
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    Guys I need to know if your running 230+ speeds with CPU Interface enabled. I can run 227fsb enabled and 242 disabled. 227 enabled is still faster than the 242 disabled.

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    CPU interface always enabled. Otherwise I would loose too much performance.
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    Same here , i tried only once with it disable : i said enough , go to Enable

    I got a bottleneck to 240Mhz : i can boot at 250 but no way to get it stable.

    Seems that there is some work on Southbridge Vdd mod on A7N8X-X but i 'm not sure about apply it to NF7-S thu, if anyone has an idea , i ll take it

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    Originally posted by xigfrid
    Same here , i tried only once with it disable : i said enough , go to Enable

    I got a bottleneck to 240Mhz : i can boot at 250 but no way to get it stable.

    Seems that there is some work on Southbridge Vdd mod on A7N8X-X but i 'm not sure about apply it to NF7-S thu, if anyone has an idea , i ll take it
    Eh, Vmodding the SB?
    I thought Vdd mod was for the whole chipset, NB & SB?
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    Originally posted by Zeus
    Eh, Vmodding the SB?
    I thought Vdd mod was for the whole chipset, NB & SB?
    Good point. I guess I assumed the same thing. If they're different, we definately need to look into a NF7 mod. Quick way to test: turn down your chipset voltage, and check the temp on the SB. I could try this later, but I dont have a separate temp probe, I'd only be doing the ol' scientific finger test.

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    Finger test disaprove this point : I put 2.5V to Vdd, there is not more heat on SB than at 1.7V

    tests :
    1.7V / 240Mhz 2-2-2-11 : SB heats a lot
    2.5V / 220Mhz 2-2-2-11 : SB does not heat (like normal FSB at voltage 1.7V)

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    Originally posted by xigfrid
    Finger test disaprove this point : I put 2.5V to Vdd, there is not more heat on SB than at 1.7V

    tests :
    1.7V / 240Mhz 2-2-2-11 : SB heats a lot
    2.5V / 220Mhz 2-2-2-11 : SB does not heat (like normal FSB at voltage 1.7V)
    Wait a minute, does your board do 240FSB @ just 1.7Vdd?
    If so, why did you Vdd mod it?
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    Originally posted by Zeus
    Wait a minute, does your board do 240FSB @ just 1.7Vdd?
    Yes. It would do. Mine does it too

    Originally posted by Zeus
    If so, why did you Vdd mod it?
    Because it's not 3d stable
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