Apogee GTX

[fat4l]

do u think that 1 laing D5 is powerful enough for that block?....is in that block used AL?....does i cause any effect with cooper?...

[Mekrel]

Who will be running this block with just water + biocide?

If they run it for a while with no problems, and Scotts tests show it to be the top performing on a E6600 then I will buy in a second.

Do G1/4 barbs fit this?

[nikhsub1]

Yes it is G1/4"

[NaeKuh]

And yes i think a single D5 would be fine with this pump provided your NOT running a bling bling Full Cover GFX card block.

However, i would like to see the results of this block with different flows. :P

Kinda curious to see if it is my FC blocks causing all this friggin restriction on my loop, or if it is indeed that this block increases its performance by adding more flow.

[Mekrel]

I take it, it probably would have more restriction than the normal GT being as the block is more low profile?

So not as much space for water to flow through? Just a guess though.

[gabe]

Description states optional hold down available for 754/939/940. My question is where? Even Swiftech's store doesn't seem to carry it.

sorry about this oversight. We'll add it on monday.

[Kayin]

I wish it had been available when I ordered my block, I might have gotten one.
I'm willing to send out a custom polycarbonate reservoir to the first person who gets it to corrode in their loop while using proper precautions (EG, the people who say that it will fall apart and galvanically eat everything), as even musical instrument plating will last 40-50 years in many circumstances just fine. I should know, I've owned more than one instrument that old, with perfectly fine, thick plating. I don't personally care flying donut one what Swiftech's loss or gain is on this one, but I have a LOT of experience with plated metals (have worked as a brass instrument repairman) and if it's THAT level of plating, my Dremel and a diamond tip would spend 20+ minutes getting enough aluminum to damage anything.

That said, I wish I had one, it's pretty awesome looking, with the performance to boot...

[theteamaqua]

so do i need more flow than the 315GPH the D5 can give?? it seems like many of u suggest that has more restriction than other blocks

[Mekrel]

so do i need more flow than the 315GPH the D5 can give?? it seems like many of u suggest that has more restriction than other blocks

Well I wouldn't say it was storm restrictive, I suppose it depends what else you have in the loop.

[nealh]

I wish it had been available when I ordered my block, I might have gotten one.
I'm willing to send out a custom polycarbonate reservoir to the first person who gets it to corrode in their loop while using proper precautions (EG, the people who say that it will fall apart and galvanically eat everything), as even musical instrument plating will last 40-50 years in many circumstances just fine. I should know, I've owned more than one instrument that old, with perfectly fine, thick plating. I don't personally care flying donut one what Swiftech's loss or gain is on this one, but I have a LOT of experience with plated metals (have worked as a brass instrument repairman) and if it's THAT level of plating, my Dremel and a diamond tip would spend 20+ minutes getting enough aluminum to damage anything.

That said, I wish I had one, it's pretty awesome looking, with the performance to boot...

well if your right then it would be fine..but I doubt(and Gabe correct me if I am wrong) that the plating is anywhere near the quality on a musically instrument(100s-1000s of dollars vs $75/80 cpu block)

[NaeKuh]

well if your right then it would be fine..but I doubt(and Gabe correct me if I am wrong) that the plating is anywhere near the quality on a musically instrument(100s-1000s of dollars vs $75/80 cpu block)

i had the fortune to work with military grade stuff. And believe me, if gabe asures me its military grade, then thats good enough for me.

Also ive done plenty of reading about zinc, im was also a biochem major in college so i took my share of phsical chem, and inorganic chem, so if the plating was done correctly, the zinc will act as a electron bank.

Plenty of these statements were discussed eariler.

And yes im sure galavinc corrosion will occur but, im sure by the time it gets noticible, the block will be sitting on my desk as a collection, and hopefully i'll get a silver block as a replacement.


BTW: gabe any news on a apogeeGTX in silver :P


And i know im gonna get flamed for this statement, but honestly, tihs is the best non sub ambient block ive used so far. If you know of a better block near the same price range... I know cathars G7 is better, but find it for me sub 250..


Just wish it came with factory recomended backplate and screws. Maybe it might reduce my bow a little.

[gabe]

well if your right then it would be fine..but I doubt(and Gabe correct me if I am wrong) that the plating is anywhere near the quality on a musically instrument(100s-1000s of dollars vs $75/80 cpu block)

The quality of plating is defined by specifications. At equal specifications, the quality of a plated flute will be exactly the same as a that of a plated water-block. The cost of plating a musical instrument will be much higher simply because of the much larger surface area to plate.

Frankly, I don't know if manufacturers of musical instruments publish their plating specifications. After all, musicians might not be as interested in the manufacturing process as they are in the musical characteristics of their instrument. Conversely, our audience is composed of engineers and technically oriented people who need industry standard references (ASTM, MilSpec) to evaluate our manufacturing quality standards.

[nikhsub1]

I have a feeling we may see a delrin GTX top

[thunderstruck!]

I have a feeling we may see a delrin GTX top

Then I have a feeling I will buy a GTX in the future.

[SiGfever]

I have a feeling we may see a delrin GTX top

Or what about a brass top?

[exhausted mule]

what are you guys talking about a "flexing" base. if your refering to the actual bottom of the block (the pins) than your putting way more pressure then you should be.



and another vote for the delrin top here.

less **** in my loop, more water = more performance.

[SiGfever]

stopit, you'll make me slide out of my chair

andyc

I have a TDX with the brass top option and it is very nice.

[gabe]

good info Gabe and thanks. So your saying this couldn't happen with your plating specs. I took your advise back a few weeks ago and did some research. Little different enviroment, but plating based on your specs would seem to be the cause generaly speaking.

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.c...143962&page=10

Not trying to stir anything up, or disputing your claims/integrity, just asking a honest question, becuase this is what concerns me. that and the extreme bow when using large O ring, and the stress caused when mounting and unmounting on the base,

andyc

Will get back to you on these topics next week.

[nealh]

The quality of plating is defined by specifications. At equal specifications, the quality of a plated flute will be exactly the same as a that of a plated water-block. The cost of plating a musical instrument will be much higher simply because of the much larger surface area to plate.

Frankly, I don't know if manufacturers of musical instruments publish their plating specifications. After all, musicians might not be as interested in the manufacturing process as they are in the musical characteristics of their instrument. Conversely, our audience is composed of engineers and technically oriented people who need industry standard references (ASTM, MilSpec) to evaluate our manufacturing quality standards.

Ok..maybe I am wrong..if so thank you for the correction...but I still have my concerns..founded or unfounded

the other issue and maybe as important or more so..is the amount of bowing on this board with larger O-ring needed to get performance and possible issues for the mobo....

[SiGfever]

same here, block I started out with, building on a lesser rig now as our home/office server. Not in the same performance class as the GT/GTX or Fuzion based on my experience , but still OK for less heat generating procs.

andyc

Same here it is what I started with and quickly went to a Storm rev2 then to the current FuZion. I do not use the TDX but the brass top was a nice upgrade from the Lucite.

[NaeKuh]

Ok..maybe I am wrong..if so thank you for the correction...but I still have my concerns..founded or unfounded

the other issue and maybe as important or more so..is the amount of bowing on this board with larger O-ring needed to get performance and possible issues for the mobo....

neal, actually im thinkn this bowing might be bad. My MCP, which i thought i mounted correctly, might have been nudged from the bowing. Im trying to get members feedbacks on tehre MCP temp.

Or it could be my boards temp sensors.... But i'll get back to you guys as soon as i find out more info on this.

PS. How long does it take for the block to be perm bowed? i might need to unbow it if i cant fit this NB correctly.

[Thomas FJ]

I have a feeling we may see a delrin GTX top

GTX with a delrin top might as well be a called GTS?

But at the end of the day, I doubt there will be a GTS, if none of the other Apogee blocks will be EOL'ed...
Swiftech are known to have a small product portfolio, so having the regular Apogee, 1U server, GT, GTS and GTX, one should be foolish to think ever happened...

I'm more excited to see when the MCW60 will be updated with the GT/GTX bottom plate (MCW70?).
It should be possible for Swiftech to make the same longer path from GTX on the MCW70...
Or maybe save it for a MCW70 GTX with the same stylish top as Apogee GTX...
Then we just need a MCW30 GTX
The Swiftech GTX family is born

UPDATE:
I just saw the regular Apogee has been removed from their site, which must mean its EOL'ed...

But still 4 different CPU blocks from Swiftech would be history
/Thomas

[Kayin]

Having worked more copper than it's right for a man to touch, I found that copper's metal memory was decent, but not spectacular, and the amount of deformation defined the amount of memory (unlike say beryllium, which once formed, you could crush and it would unfold) and if it it bowed too badly, it will not reform.

That's a fscked up mount in my opinion, but my opinion counts little around here, I'm willing to bet. But anyway, I wanted to drop in and add my experience to the thread, and drop Gabe a vote of confidence.

[Mekrel]

I'm dropping off my case to ChilledPC monday for powdercoating, he has this block in stock.

So, let me get an honest answer.

I'm safe to run this block on water and biocide alone? No engine coolant?

[Mekrel]

The thing that concerns me is the thread for the barbs.

Because surely, you would have to plate the top and then tap the holes for the barbs?

You couldn't do it the other way around surely because you would be doing the thread size + width of plating.

Meaning the thread wouldn't fit surely?

So if you tap the hole with the plating on, then you will be removing said plating.. if you get me :|