To Prometia or not to Prometia...

[cinders]

Please help me guys, I'm toying on the idea of buying a Prometia Mach II (mod'd with r507) and I don't know whether it's worth it or not...

At the moment I've hit my max o/c with my current system and to go higher I really need to move to phase change...

However I can't justify the need for any extra mhz in practial everyday usage, only benchmarking....

Can anyone help me justify spending £750 on a Chilly1 unit from ExtremeProm?...

Cinders.

[crotale]

Are you from the US, Europe or another place?

Have you looked at the Vapo LS? IMHO it has a better mounting system than the Prometeias (except the ones with Chilly1 evaps)

[Crow]

maybe pm chilly for a custom built phase change unit? Might be cheaper, and he can build a more efficient one

[Paxi]

i would also get a custom made single stage phase-change unit from someone, they are cheaper and mostly also effectiver

[cinders]

It's not the cost or the unit I'm debating, it's the actual point of having one....

I can't think of a use for it other than improving benchmark scores....

[Paxi]

i will also buy me a custom single stage phase-change unit r290 charged for benching, and then i will take it on my second Pc i think.

[mdzcpa]

Originally Posted by cinders

It's not the cost or the unit I'm debating, it's the actual point of having one....

I can't think of a use for it other than improving benchmark scores....

There is more to it than that.

No matter how you use your computer, you'll enjoy the extra performance if you are a power user. Gaming, ripping/burning/encoding media, benching, whatever.

Also, there is no need to have just a huge sprawling benching rig that is hardly a true PC if you go phase change. If you do it right, you can have a portable self contained phase change cooled beast of a PC (see my gaming rig).

Another point is that the phase change system can be used from system to system. Heck, my Mach II has been through 5 mobos and 4 CPUs over almost two years.

Last point, the latest Intel and AMD systems really respond well to the super cooling. I've not seen any less than another 15% or more overclock out of phase change versus good water cooling. Often times, the increase in OC is even much greater than that.

[cinders]

I really wished I'd gone straight to phase change instead of spending a couple of hundred pounds on a watercooled setup. I don't think watercooling gives much over air really to tell you the truth.

The reason I wanted a fast pc was to play all my games with everything turned up in 1600x1200, which is the native resolution of my LCD display. Which it does no problem.

Unfortunately I stumbled across this forum and then got the overclocking bug and have been spending money (I don't really have) ever since!... I've always wanted to go phase-change!... But to tell you the truth I can't really afford it and it's not going to do anything special for me apart from boost my benchmark figures.

I guess I might stay on water for now and see how these new A64's coming out do for overclocking...

[LightSpeed]

you really could have saved ur money by getting a winchester, and then used the money to buy a phase change cooler...

that would have given u that 3k speed, and the unit would have lasted a couple of upgrades

[evassion]

as it is better?vapochill or prometeia

[cinders]

Originally Posted by LightSpeed

you really could have saved ur money by getting a winchester, and then used the money to buy a phase change cooler...

that would have given u that 3k speed, and the unit would have lasted a couple of upgrades

I know that now! Doh!... : )

[neokenzo]

You'd probably get it slightly cheaper buying from Chilly1

[blinky]

watercooling gets u nothing over good aircooling, and costs 5 times as much...

i dont see the point in using it at all, for the price of a good watercooling setup that could be alittle better than air you could build your own phase change, and still save $100

[afireinside]

Originally Posted by blinky

watercooling gets u nothing over good aircooling, and costs 5 times as much...

i dont see the point in using it at all, for the price of a good watercooling setup that could be alittle better than air you could build your own phase change, and still save $100

Not everyone can build their own phasechange... Watercooling isint a waste. Temps arnt THAT much better than good air cooling but they can keep temps down at high volts under load better and its alot quieter. It looks awesome to

XP-120 + delta=60
my watercooling=180 (it was probably less)
water= 3x as much
My water setup offers slightly lower temps and removes the need for earmuffs.

I think of the tubing, radiator, and pump as an initial investment for many future CPUs/GPUs and you just have to buy a 50 dollar waterblock every time instead of a 60 dollar heatsink.

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

Originally Posted by cinders

It's not the cost or the unit I'm debating, it's the actual point of having one....

I can't think of a use for it other than improving benchmark scores....

Let me explain it this way:

You cannot discuss with a drug addict about the high price of a small amount of H even If he will get his kick only a few hours.........

[bias_hjorth]

Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER

Let me explain it this way:

You cannot discuss with a drug addict about the high price of a small amount of H even If he will get his kick only a few hours.........

Now there´s another way to put it.. A lot of drug addicts in here apprently.. :banana4:

[Rudzer]

Originally Posted by blinky

watercooling gets u nothing over good aircooling, and costs 5 times as much...

i dont see the point in using it at all, for the price of a good watercooling setup that could be alittle better than air you could build your own phase change, and still save $100

You must be one of those guys that says 50dB isn't noise at all...lol

[Nubius]

You must be one of those guys that says 50dB isn't noise at all...lol

You can hear 50db?

I used to say noise wasn't a problem...until having this tornado for a couple months lol...turned down with my fan controller it's not THAT annoying, but even then it can get a tad bit on my nerves now muchless turning it at full blast and hearing that nice 5800RPM whine coming from it.

You can get a good water cooling setup for around $200 and get better temps than air (or atleast I'm hoping it will give me better temps than my current air setup lol), but the cheapest phase change is like what...$600 and that is infact the prometia one?

I looked into building my own phase change, but yeah the information ran circles around me...I'm not that adept to building things from scratch lol.. although I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to have one, have this mobile running 3GHz easy. But also how good is phase change for long time use?

I know you have to have plenty of insulation around the socket, with plenty of di-electric grease and whatnot to seal it off...but how good is -50C for the CPU core...anyone have a long lasting phase change before? I know MDZCPA up there was talking about having it go from system to system, but how long did you have it on each system?

[isp]

Nubius: MDZCPA is like an early adopter of everything, so he changes his setup a lot.

He hit the nail on the head too imo, which is if you're not going to have a complete dedicated benching rig then the next logical goal for most of us would be to have the fastest self contained day-to-day gamer. It can be a real PITA to always have your system torn apart and barely working when all you want to do is surf or game. Best to have one PC you never mess with, and a benching rig that you're always changing/modding/working on etc.

[Klisp]

Originally Posted by Nubius

You can hear 50db?

I used to say noise wasn't a problem...until having this tornado for a couple months lol...turned down with my fan controller it's not THAT annoying, but even then it can get a tad bit on my nerves now muchless turning it at full blast and hearing that nice 5800RPM whine coming from it.

Same reason why i looked into other forms of cooling. When i first had top air cooling i didn't think it was that bad but after months of that constant noise, i went water cooling. After temps weren't cold enough, i went to phase change

[Nubius]

After temps weren't cold enough, i went to phase change

lol yeah I already know that'll happen to me...but I don't have the funds nor the know how to acquire phase change unless one just fell into my lap....but even then, I want my computer for everyday use, and from what I gather phase change isn't just for your everyday running computer but rather benching like ISP said...I want my computer to be able to run no probs for atleast a year and not have to worry about corrosion due to subzero temps lol....

but someday....SOMEDAY....hehe I will have to try phase change.

Currently with the specs in my sig, my CPU never gets hotter than 38C full load..and that seems like a pretty damn good temp considering the voltage and OC although I know it's not like INSANE OC or anything, but 2.6GHz requires 1.95Vcore or so so I don't much care to run it at that....so I'm wondering if the bar is set fairly high for me.. =/ I would hate to spend $200 on a WC setup and it perform about the same as my air solution, basically paying $200 for bigger increase in risk to fry something, but for less noise

[Klisp]

Originally Posted by Nubius

lol yeah I already know that'll happen to me...but I don't have the funds nor the know how to acquire phase change unless one just fell into my lap....but even then, I want my computer for everyday use, and from what I gather phase change isn't just for your everyday running computer but rather benching like ISP said...I want my computer to be able to run no probs for atleast a year and not have to worry about corrosion due to subzero temps lol....

I could only speak for myself when i say that ever since i got phase i never had to mantain it. I had my phase since june of last year. I just set it and forget it. It's been though 2 boards and 2 processors. I never had a prob with condensation ethier. I mean, i check once and awhile just to make sure everything is allright but i never had a prob. It's like a really good heatsink to me

[Nubius]

I just set it and forget it.

Isn't that an info-mercial for an oven?

Well I suppose if you take the precausions of good insulation and the grease and whatnot it'd last longer...but you said it's been through two boards and 2 processors...I'm talking about one processor lasting for over a year, not necessarily the phase change unit itself although I'd expect it to last longer than a year lol

[Klisp]

Originally Posted by Nubius

Isn't that an info-mercial for an oven?

Correct

[isp]

....lol the Ronco...

just set it and forget it, could be the folding team's new motto