Chaintech ZNF3 + AMD 64 3000+ = Cooking!

[eclypse]

I just finally got the damn chaintech system hooked up with the new AMD 64 3000+ CPU. I bought the retail cuase i liked the idea of having a coper base HS and 3 year warrenty.. i have a coolermaster HS from the last Opteron 144 1.8GHz i tried before.

Anyways.. First time powering up i go right into the BIOS and check the temps to make sure the dang HS is doing its job and WOW 44C and climbing! I just sat there for a min and watched it go up to 49C! I'm like flipping out.. so i think to myself.. hmmm.. The chaintech did already have that socket HS hold down already on there for me.. I bet i was right once again.. SHould of checked those screws to make sure the damn thing was down nice and tight..

So i go to yank the heatsink off and ummm.. !@#%$@%#!!! I finally get the HS off and umm.. THE DAMN CPU IS STUCK TO IT!! OMG! NO!! And i remember reading the instructions that came with the CPU saying that you should give the heatsink a few twists left and right to break free the HS from the CPU.. but that was if ya used the TIM that was on the retail HS.. and ofcourse i took that off and used my new Artic silver Ceramique.

i guess the HS was really flat and that the AC held the CPU on there like it was crazy glue! Took the cpu off the HS and thank god no damage!. i was like in a huge panic that i just killed the damn CPU before i even got a chance to see it and that i just bought it.. but thank god all was well.. Some of the pins on one edge were leaning just a hair but it went back into the socket nice and flush like the first time.. And yes she still is kicking at this moment.

Now to the point.. I was thinking that maybe this damn retail HS isint putting enough pressure on the CPU like my cooler master does so i switched the 2 and yes.. the cooler master does put more pressure on the cpu.. But did it give me nice temps like it did with the Opteron system.. NOPE! on the opteron even at 1.7v i was getting around 42-44C temps. Well thats what the BIOS siad on the Leadtek board.

Now the same HS on the chaintech is giving me the same high temps in the bios at default voltage of 1.5v.. I uped the voltage to 1.6v and booted into memtest86 just to see if it was stable at 230FSB and nope.. a million errors right away.

So umm.. Anyone know if this board reports the temp too high? Or does these little 64 chips run that much hotter? I never heard anyone ever reporting high temps like this before on a 64 system even with the retail HS.. I'm wondering if that Heat spreader is making good contact wtih the Die? heh i'm not about to take it off and find out though ehehe.

[eshbach]

i'll find out as soon as my shuttle board gets here and let you know what temps look like with the 3200 at stock. maybe it is just A64's...

[eclypse]

Ok thanks..

Oh BTW.. Installing WinXP Pro right now and damn is it ever just whippin threw that install! Zippy zip!

I didnt think it would be that much faster then a Barton in anything other then gaming.. but damn!

Only 512 cache too.. just like the barton.. This baby wants to go.

[luihed]

Originally posted by eshbach
i'll find out as soon as my shuttle board gets here and let you know what temps look like with the 3200 at stock. maybe it is just A64's...

Mine was 44 idle at 1.5v...... when I up the vcore to 1.7v it was 49c in the bios..... thats with the stock cooling......

[Penti]

I think your just use to loosy in-socket thermistor. If you think thats hot.


Your temp is normal not bad at all, x44 sledgehammer is a 84.7W cpu and A64 3000/3200+ is a 89W cpu should differ a couple degrees. Come back with load temp and ambient or case temp if you still think its high. 70°C Ã:banana:s max operational temperature.

[eclypse]

Its sittin on a test bed.. No case. room temps are around 74F.

The thing was stable in prime 95.. Made it through the first set. But i have it at 1.45 i think and its at 1.5v in the bios and in windows. Load temps were 49C and holding.. i tired overclocking for the hell of it at 220FSB 2200Mhz at 1.6v and it wasnt stable and errored out in prime right away.. I think its the vdimm voltage since its at 2.85 at the 2.9v bios setting. I tired 240 with the ram at 166 and it wouldnt post.. 230 and it would but the ram was at 185FSB i think hehe. 210FSB and it wasnt even stable. I even tried higher vcore and it reset durring 3dmark.. Damnit.

No overclocking love for me.. I hope the newest bios will allow me to play with the timings so i can knock them down to raise the FSB sicne these Mushkin 3500 BH-5 sticks need 2.9v-3v for some fun.

Anyone know a vdimm mod for this?

God all this crap really makes it hard to decide if this is what i want to be stuck with or the regular 3200+ or screw it and go back to the opteron.. which costs way more hehe.

Damn

[eclypse]

WOW i guess another great board! I flashed the damn bios and now everytime it goes to boot up windows it reboots.. jesus..

heh and thats 3 attemps in a row at you guessed it... DEFAULT SETTINGS! AHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Damnit i need a new top for my DD Maze 4 so i can slap this thing on the water cooling.. but ofcourse.. i should of had that before i ordered the 64 crap... Welp i guess i may never know how this thing overclocks.. sniff..sniff.. I knew i should of gone with the Gigabyte board.

[Naughtyboy]

eclypse: Now thats sad to hear that it doesn´t work out for ya.
I sure hope it´s the mobo...because otherwise I´ll have to start worrying.

I order my self a Shuttle AN50R and a A64 3000+ ....along with a new A64 cpukit for my prommy. Cpu has arrived , just waitng for dang board and cpukit to arriwe.

I´ll get back with som numbers like I said in another thread.

However your problem sounds very wierd to me..I mean thoose A64 with the crippeld cash should run cooler..dont ya think.??

And those memtest errors..sounds like a mobo/memory problem. I´ve had a similar problem on a P4 rigg..changed the mobo and had a go go go.
Even thou it is not the same especially because of the cpu hosting the memory controller....it´s worth a try... if you have other boards on hand that is.

[Penti]

Originally posted by eclypse
Its sittin on a test bed.. No case. room temps are around 74F.
The thing was stable in prime 95.. Made it through the first set. But i have it at 1.45 i think and its at 1.5v in the bios and in windows. Load temps were 49C and holding

Thats a good temp!


Sorry to here about your problems, cant you flash it back to the original bios?

Vdimm modification can be found here at XS in a post.

Get the board up and running now.

Regards

[DerDallmann]

@Naughtyboy

I ordered the same Combo! My cooler willbe a Zalman 7000Cu.
Maybe we can work together a little zo get some good oc-results?


DD

[Perc]

glad to hear your getting it going. hey how does the thing run so far? i know your still working the bugs out on it. so whats your impression on the new system as of now? seem like the extra cache helps? please post all the details as you get them. i VERRY interested in building one infact its ALL i can do right now not to buy the damm chip and mb! but my good friends here at the site sdvise me to wait so i must heed thier advice and do it the right way so that way i only have to do it once. beside i already have one sweet ass barton rig and a so so intel rig so i got a few toys to hold me over till then. oh by the way what is the best mb right now for these chips? sorry for asking so many questions its just that im reading everything i can can on this topic and asking everyone who has one about the amd's new platform. i kinda like to know as much about somthing i want to buy as i can before i buy it. anyways ill stop yacking now..... good luck and lets see some results when you get it stable and running....

thx perc,

[Naughtyboy]

Originally posted by DerDallmann
@Naughtyboy

Maybe we can work together a little zo get some good oc-results?

Sure thing...might be easier to get some good results.

[eclypse]

Well i've hosed the windows install twice now tryin a very tiny overclock of 220FSB.. heheh unbelieveable.

The best part is that i was able to run 3dmark 2k1 once or twice and got a tad under 17,000 with a 9700 Pro AIW.. That was defalt clocked and everything else on the system was default! I liked that.

With the newer bios i was able to tightin up the mem timings and ran at the same speed and only overclocked the 9700 to like 390/335 i believe and got almost 19,000! Now i'm geeked! Fast system forsure and i havent even overclocked the CPU! WOW.

The best 3dmark i ran before was around 17,500 i think and that was with my 2100+ TB B at 2500Mhz w/ 9700 Pro overclocked.

So yeah.. if i can get a VDIMM mod runing and slap a better fan on this temp HS and see whats up! Cooling i believe is whats killing the CPU. hell i'm even debating to make my own water block hold down so i can slap my DD watercooling on and start pushin her.

[eclypse]

I recently threw a 50CFM 80MM fan on the CPU heatsink and not much difference.. Its at 42C in the bios right at power up at 1.5v.

I tired setting it at 1.6v so i might try 2200 again and its at 50C in the bios so no go there.

This is killing me! I cant tell if this MB is reading the Temps wrong or what.. I believe that its reading it from the Die.. Crazy.. I was hoping for more people to give there temps with there 64 systems.. but i guess no ones using a retail HS.

I guess Monday i send for an RMA once again.. man returning all these motherboards and CPUs is killing me in return shipping costs.. you would think something would work ok.

I've tried a Opteron 144 1.8GHz system no go.. Motherboards SATA raid controller must of been messed up cause i couldnt format the hard drive.. only a regular IDE drive could i format and use.. I couldnt get more then 2200 with it and it wasnt stable.. but the temps were way better then this 64 3000+.. in the 34-44C range all the way up to 1.7v.

I've tried a Barton 2500+ with a DFI LP B no go.. power issues with the computer resetting just putting a load on the cpu with prime95 instantly.

AN7.. Connected the cut trace on it and after about 30-1 hour the 3rd dimm slot died.

Returned an NF7-S v2.0 cause i couldnt get more then 227FSB DC.. Should of kept it and called it a year.

I dont know.. but its lookin like either i try another 64 with a different motherboard.. either the gigabyte or shuttle.. though the gigabyte has better features and the shuttle can be vdimm modded for crazy voltage..

I dont know what the hell to do anymore.. Makin me wana give up.

[eclypse]

Originally posted by MickeyMouse
I ran that board IMO second fastest only to bowman which also ran the chaintech what was my board he got from me..

IMO ya have to use the 9-18 bios that only shipped with the original boards the one on the site that states first release is not the original.

I got 259 1:1 2-2-2 rock stable which now isnt that much but it was enough for #1 in 2k1 AT the time

make sure to up agp voltage to about 1.7v and to drop LDT to 400mhz/2x as anything over 220+ 1:1 with LDT at 600mhz/3x is very very hard to run...

Nice.. I think my board had the 10/24 bios.. i think thats what i read on the screen.. i didnt pay much attention to it since i thought i could go back to the old bios.. Crap!

How did you get the memory timings selectable with the origional bios if it was set by auto? i think it used cas2 2,6,2 anyways.

Does my temps sound normal at default voltage and out of the case?

[eclypse]

OK just got done installing windows for the last time.. This time i made a ghost image.. Should of done that earlier but was in a hurry.

Now i've done 2200Mhz at 1.6v mem timing cas2 4,8,4 <- Just encase. HT at 2.0.

Seems ok.. Well atleast i made it into windows and ran sndra and prime for a few mins.

Gona try higher timings but i think thats what trashed the windows install before sicne the low voltage of 2.84v to the vdimm is whats killing me.

EDIT: Guess not.. 2200 isint stable.. After a few mins if not right away it errors out in prime95.

[eclypse]

Welp some more messing around i got it up to 2400Mhz but at a HT of 1X just to be sure and mem timings of 166/cas2.5 4,8,4 CPu at 240FSB at 2.65V which reads 2.7v in the bios and windows.

not stable in prime erroring out almost instantly.. damnit.. GOt excited there for about 20 secs.

cant do 200/mem/220/CPU stable even at 2x HT no matter what voltage

only can do 200/mem/210/CPU stable at 1.5v

So i gather i'm limited to my VDIMM i guess or the temps are killing me.
Either that or this board odnt like my Mushkin 3500 512MB x2 Bh-5 ram.

I tihkn its time to move on to my new AN7 with the unlocked Barton.. Atleast that way i can slam some water cooling on that and see whats up.

[Penti]

Damn your temp is just fine, in fact good. Your just use to in-socket thermistor thats read 10-20C low. Water will only give you like ~5°C lower anyway.

Wont you be more happy with a fast low clocked A64 rather then a low quality nF2 board and barton cpu wich is slower?