Fluid XP+ Nano-Fluid ...

shazza · 11-19-2009, 09:34 AM

*sigh* Fluid XP + Nano-Fluid Liquid Coolant

Here we go again. Marketing focus seems to be on non-conductivity. At least they are not saying it will give cooler temps.

All this coolant hype is reinforcing my desire to break my addiction to colored coolants.

Sadasius · 11-19-2009, 09:47 AM

Well thats the way the market sells....on fear! Get your H1N1 vaccine or you'll die! Better us this coolant or you will fry your gear! It's horrible and the worst part is...It works! I feel like pissing in some bottles and selling that as the green (err yellow) solution of biodegradable coolant to protect the planet. I like the make people feel guilty angle. I bet you it would sell too. Heck would make a great excuse to the ol lady to drink beer. "Honey this time I am making money doing it...honestly!"

quattro_ · 11-19-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by shazza

All this coolant hype is reinforcing my desire to break my addiction to colored coolants.

Funny It's the other way around for me

SNiiPE_DoGG · 11-19-2009, 10:07 AM

this Fluid XP Nano has been around for ages and ages.... kind of funny that no one has come around using it and likewise no one is complaining about it either.

Sadasius · 11-19-2009, 10:12 AM

You mean nobody wants to admit paying $44 a bottle of nonsense. Yeah I wouldn't brag about that either.

millertime359 · 11-19-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by shazza

All this coolant hype is reinforcing my desire to break my addiction to colored coolants.

NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shazza will never stop using colored coolants. They are just too pretty.

shazza · 11-19-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

this Fluid XP Nano has been around for ages and ages.... kind of funny that no one has come around using it and likewise no one is complaining about it either.

I saw mention of it a while ago, but the orange stuff showed up in PPC's new products list recently ...

SNiiPE_DoGG · 11-19-2009, 10:46 AM

yeah, I wasnt saying dont bring it up

its kind of odd no one has looked at this stuff - I know skinnee tested some nano fluid a while back, I wonder if he knows this is the same recipe..

Movieman · 11-19-2009, 10:49 AM

Back in August 2007 I did a WC setup on my dual harpertown machine.
I used that funky green stuff that comes with the Swiftech kit.
Is it Pentosin? Can't remember the name.
Since then all I have done is add maybe 2 ounces of water last March.
Temps today are the same as when first installed and thats over 2 years ago.
That is good enough for me.

relttem · 11-19-2009, 11:07 AM

Skinnee, HESmelaugh and Littleowl tested our stuff, and I will tell you straight up from my experience with different types of nanoparticles in liquid that if there is even a tiny TINY amount (a fraction of a weight percent) of nanoparticles in the fluid it will be opaque - to the point where even a high powered laser can't shine through it...it doesn't matter what kind of particle - Zn, Cu, Pb, Ag, and carbon. That was the first thing I noticed about this stuff - not very opaque..so, I am assuming the only thing they have in there that remotely lets it be called a nanofluid must be nano-sized colored beads that give the fluid the color.

NaeKuh · 11-19-2009, 11:16 AM

dave its hydrx..

pentosin only has 2 colors... blue and red.

rge · 11-19-2009, 12:57 PM

Judging by its chemical properties and their description at their site, it is this stuff, basically 50:50 mixture of deionized water and proplyene glycol, with benzatriazole and less than .1% nanoparticles.

Biggest drawback is water thermal conductance is .6 W/MK vs this stuff nearly half that at .33 W/MK, performance would suffer. Interesting testing of deionized water vs deionized + PG vs this stuff electrical conductance over time, slides 9-12. Granted different testing loop, but gives and idea of how fast deionized water can become conductive.

While may work in fuel cells without flux particles, problem is when you spill this stuff and it picks up flux/dust on mobo or vid card, not going to matter, given you can pour virgin deonized water on components and short them. And for that type of performance hit at that cost...ouch.

ohms · 11-19-2009, 01:36 PM

I dunno I used that stuff in my loop before in my previous setup and I had a leak which got onto one of my 4870's and it still worked afterwards, but the PC was off at the time of the leak

I was using the red one.

rosco · 11-19-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

dave its hydrx..

HydrX is just Zerex but I don't remember the reference, multiple Zerex exist.

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Originally Posted by relttem

I will tell you straight up from my experience with different types of nanoparticles in liquid that if there is even a tiny TINY amount (a fraction of a weight percent) of nanoparticles in the fluid it will be opaque - to the point where even a high powered laser can't shine through it...it doesn't matter what kind of particle - Zn, Cu, Pb, Ag, and carbon.

That's because dispersion is not good enough and there's a lot of "big" agglomerates. A friend (thermal leader and researcher at CEA in France) develops and uses some nanofluids for cooling applications. These nanofluids remain transparents even at high concentration for testing (up to ~18 % by volume or ~34 % by mass). A single-step approach is the key to obtain such result, but it requires very specific material and process. It's different from the basic two-step approach where a nanopowder is simply dispersed into a fluid generally thanks to a high powered ultrasonic probe (with the help of some dispersant/surfactant or not), but it's far to be a really good dispersion and it's (almost) impossible to obtain a clear fluid with that.

Here, the FluidXP nano stuff is not designed for a thermal aspect, but it's quite useless and overpriced anyway.

SparkyJJO · 11-19-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shazza

All this coolant hype is reinforcing my desire to break my addiction to colored coolants.

Actually, it has been awhile since I've seen a coolant thread

But if you get away from colored coolants, use primochill LRT tubing. Still gives pretty colors but without the colored liquid that fades and gums stuff over time

shazza · 11-19-2009, 04:19 PM

I do use Primochill Pro-LRT tubing. Issue is with the res and plexi-block tops. But, switching those over gradually, and figuring out what to do with the res.

sirheck · 11-19-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

You mean nobody wants to admit paying $44 a bottle of nonsense. Yeah I wouldn't brag about that either.

But, but i just had to try it to see what it was like.

Ehh so far it seems ok, ive had it for a couple of months in my
main rig, i guess its ok havent checked it since in put it in.

P.S. i used the clear shistuff.

SparkyJJO · 11-19-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shazza

I do use Primochill Pro-LRT tubing. Issue is with the res and plexi-block tops. But, switching those over gradually, and figuring out what to do with the res.

I put an LED in my res cap... sure the entire liquid doesn't glow, but oh well. Could also use a Frozen.Q res, so the clear water wouldn't be a bad thing at all then. I want one but they are pricey. For a good reason, being hand made and all, just means it is out of my budget.

sirheck · 11-19-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Back in August 2007 I did a WC setup on my dual harpertown machine.
I used that funky green stuff that comes with the Swiftech kit.
Is it Pentosin? Can't remember the name.
Since then all I have done is add maybe 2 ounces of water last March.
Temps today are the same as when first installed and thats over 2 years ago.
That is good enough for me.

Ive used it before too, no real complaints.
It just stains everything, but seems to work ok.

When i do drain out the nano fluid in my main rig im just
going back with plain water.

PrometheusCon · 11-19-2009, 04:30 PM

Gallon of distilled water? Maybe... MAYBE $1.

[KanyeWestShrung]I dunno. It just might be me[/KanyeWestShrug]

MoMo_RT · 11-19-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

I feel like pissing in some bottles and selling that as the green (err yellow) solution of biodegradable coolant to protect the planet.

Someone should do some test loops with pee.... Who knows it could provide better temps than distilled and be cheaper.

relttem · 11-20-2009, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rosco

HydrX is just Zerex but I don't remember the reference, multiple Zerex exist.

That's because dispersion is not good enough and there's a lot of "big" agglomerates. A friend (thermal leader and researcher at CEA in France) develops and uses some nanofluids for cooling applications. These nanofluids remain transparents even at high concentration for testing (up to ~18 % by volume or ~34 % by mass). A single-step approach is the key to obtain such result, but it requires very specific material and process. It's different from the basic two-step approach where a nanopowder is simply dispersed into a fluid generally thanks to a high powered ultrasonic probe (with the help of some dispersant/surfactant or not), but it's far to be a really good dispersion and it's (almost) impossible to obtain a clear fluid with that.

Here, the FluidXP nano stuff is not designed for a thermal aspect, but it's quite useless and overpriced anyway.

no offense to your friend, but c'mon..34% by mass and it is still translucent?..that doesn't even make sense. It would be a slurry. I'd like to see this nanofluid. I know all about mixing nanoparticles in solution. I've been doing research on it for the last 4 years. If it is clear/remotely translucent there aren't any nanoparticles in it. You can look at that stuff we sent to Skinnee to review. That has an extremely small amount of nanoparticles in it. We also use a surfactant to stop the agglomeration - you have to. We have looked into agglomeration with DLS (Dynamic Light Scattering), TEM and SEMs, PIV with a YAG laser (200milijoules-which will melt plastic) - that couldn't even get through a nanofluid of .03% by volume in a .5"x.5" channel.