why dont motherboard manufacturers...

Rise · 10-28-2009, 08:53 AM

Design a board where all of the component and power connectors come out the back of the board for aesthetics and show casing? While obviously we would need cases to work with these designs, it doesn't seem THAT difficult to do. What do you guys think?

CodeNinja · 10-28-2009, 08:55 AM

Not really likely, since it's probably part of the ATX standard to have the plugs on the front.

However if you are feeling brave with a soldering gun, nothing says you can't flip the connectors yourself. Wouldn't try it on an expensive board, though.

Disposibleteen · 10-28-2009, 08:56 AM

I like the idea. The lack of cases that support this style of motherboard problem could easily be fixed with a Dremel.

millertime359 · 10-28-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CodeNinja

Not really likely, since it's probably part of the ATX standard to have the plugs on the front.

However if you are feeling brave with a soldering gun, nothing says you can't flip the connectors yourself. Wouldn't try it on an expensive board, though.

+1

I have seen guys solder the wires to the back of the board.

Manicdan · 10-28-2009, 09:10 AM

with everyone making the same thing with different colors and layouts, i dont see why one wouldnt do that and charge an extra 20-30$ for a small effort. look at how much watercooling and expesive and beautiful case sales have ramped up in the last few years. hardware ascetics should be right there with them

i vote for this too

Kibbler · 10-28-2009, 09:28 AM

It's actually very difficult to de/solder motherboard connectors, due to their multiple-layer nature i.e. density of traces, especially so for some newer motherboards advertising a copper layer (for what? I don't know). Usually the heat dissipates too quickly to melt the surface-mount solder from the factory right away, and more than likely the metal will conduct heat to somewhere it shouldn't be and damage something. Regular old PCB, sure. I remember someone did that recently on a fan controller in their worklog. Multi-layer motherboard PCB, good luck.

Rise · 10-28-2009, 10:10 AM

Well that's why I say the manufacturers should do it. It shouldn't be that hard for them to do... who cares about standards anyway? This is obviously a suggestion for the xtreme crowd armed with dremels

millertime359 · 10-28-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rise

Well that's why I say the manufacturers should do it. It shouldn't be that hard for them to do... who cares about standards anyway? This is obviously a suggestion for the xtreme crowd armed with dremels

That would probably involve a re-tooling of the line. That would cost a ton of money for a short run. It would then lead to a bit more than a $40 dollar premium.

Rise · 10-28-2009, 10:48 AM

How much does a single waterblock cost? People need to think outside the box more and stop being such Xtremely negative nancy's.

millertime359 · 10-28-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rise

How much does a single waterblock cost? People need to think outside the box more and stop being such Xtremely negative nancy's.

No one is being negative, just realistic. If it cost $100,000 to retool the line and you did a run of 500, that would be a $200 markup on the board to break even.

So that would mean an EVGA classy would then cost $600 instead of $400.

I'm not saying its a bad idea, and that I wouldn't be interested if the price was right.

Tackleberry · 10-28-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rise

How much does a single waterblock cost? People need to think outside the box more and stop being such Xtremely negative nancy's.

You should take a tour around the (any) factory and it would be clear to you very soon how much hard work and recalculation it takes to justify and apply idea like that. Which in final case is just a matter of looks

However I bet if you get 10000 people to make preorders, they will listen to you.

Rise · 10-28-2009, 01:36 PM

I am a manufacturing engineer

I am well aware of new line costs, but I am also very aware of the need for new product development and innovation.

CodeNinja · 10-28-2009, 01:51 PM

Dunno if we'll ever see them put the plugs on the back, but at the least it'd be nice if they put them on the plane of the board at the edges, kind of like how they do SATA.

NaeKuh · 10-28-2009, 01:54 PM

sorry id have to be majorly intoxicated, or majorly drugged out for me to take a soldering iron to my classy 759.

Expecially since they dont make the 759 anymore, and the 760's are not as reliable as a 759.

kamieldehond · 10-28-2009, 03:05 PM

solder the connector. i want to see that :P dont forget to rewire your psu aswell

Hsusy · 10-28-2009, 07:34 PM

Perhaps a roundabout solution, now that the northbridge is absorbed in the CPU, perhaps for future boards wher there are more space in the atx realstate, perhaps have a hole (big enough to thresd through the 24 Pin plug) in the PCB right next to the atx plug and a atx direction changer - simmilar to a SLI or Crossfire bridge. without the direction changer, you plug in the atx power as per normal. And with the help of the direction changer, you can have the atx plug thread through the hole in the pcb and have an invisible 24 pin power cable. Slap on some plastic over with LED lights and it will sell like hot cakes

Obviously a 90degree atx plug would be much simpler, for some reason I was researching on this and was told that it's a lot tougher to get 90 degree 24 pin plugs... I forgot why now...

Anyways just an idea, it kinda works in my head, I am not sure if what I wrote make sense.

csjsi · 10-28-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rise

Design a board where all of the component and power connectors come out the back of the board for aesthetics and show casing? While obviously we would need cases to work with these designs, it doesn't seem THAT difficult to do. What do you guys think?

Well Id buy one and everyone here at our flat would too. It's a great idea and the fact it will cost to the manufacture heaps is just a opportunity for the first one who takes it.

Mr. Morello · 10-28-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime359

No one is being negative, just realistic. If it cost $100,000 to retool the line and you did a run of 500, that would be a $200 markup on the board to break even.

So that would mean an EVGA classy would then cost $600 instead of $400.

+1

Following design standards & Capital expenditure 101

tiro_uspsss · 10-28-2009, 10:02 PM

nice dream, oops I mean idea

hchristian · 10-29-2009, 12:36 AM

Anyone from here bought and installed this?

I am thinking some desoldering is needed, that would change the layout a little bit

ohms · 10-29-2009, 02:22 AM

You gotta have a SERIOUS set of balls on you to attempt installing one of those, I for one have peanut sized ones when it comes to that.

tiro_uspsss · 10-29-2009, 02:28 AM

mmmm.. i wonder if I should...

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@OP: ur talking about just the power cables right? like the 20/24pin mobo & 4/8pin CPU power right? just had a look @ a mobo.. looks rather simple actually.. i'm considering

WeeMaan · 10-29-2009, 03:21 AM

Can't someone give it a shot, we want pics!

Kibbler · 10-29-2009, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WeeMaan

Can't someone give it a shot, we want pics!

I seem to remember someone already did try, in the worklog section some time back. ben546 or evil98, blueaqua maybe? Don't remember.

Humminn55 · 10-29-2009, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by csjsi

Well Id buy one and everyone here at our flat would too. It's a great idea and the fact it will cost to the manufacture heaps is just a opportunity for the first one who takes it.

Like they say, talk is cheap.

The additional cost to the mb would be horrendous not to mention having to mod your case to fit the plug. And that's about the only way to get it to work is mod a case because I don't see a lot of case manufacturers putting out cases to fit something that doesn't exist right now.