Dice Or ln2 for first time?

joeyw3704 · 10-07-2009, 07:15 PM

Hello guys i'm new here. I have been looking over the forum for a couple of days now. It's very nice. I am thinking of getting into dice and ln2 And start some heavy benching. Should I buy a pot or buy something like kingpins stuff? I am very capable of making my own. Buy I think his will perform better. would you start with dice first or ln2 ? thanks for the help.

Bobbylite · 10-07-2009, 07:18 PM

Dice first, will cost you less than $40 total for eraser, styro cooler and some dice
kingpin pot is a nice 1 time investment but the koolance pot is decent for dice

check out the stickie

[XC] gomeler · 10-07-2009, 09:36 PM

I went straight to LN2 as I knew I would end up on LN2. I purchased an F1EE from K|ngp|n as he has a solid proven product and supports the community with mount revisions. I did however go from benching on cascades to LN2, but I never played with dry ice except for on GPUs.. after I was benching the CPU on LN2. I saved a lot of time/money whacking away at dry ice and I don't regret it.. LN2 is the only way to go

sofos1990 · 10-07-2009, 11:31 PM

F1EE is undoubtedly one of the best pots

If you'll go straight to LN2 the cost will be high enough. Except the LN2 pot you'll need a decent liquid nitrogen dewar...
My opinion is to start with dice and a decent LN2 pot. For first 5-10 times it would be better to bench with dice, so you can get experience.
Then go to LN2

joeyw3704 · 10-08-2009, 07:36 AM

I think I will be going with kingpins F1 ee with the extention. I'll dice a couple of runs. then go to ln2 and report back.

sofos1990 · 10-08-2009, 08:34 AM

F1EE extension is helpful for dice

Couple of runs with dice it's the best choice to get the experience you need before LN2

joeyw3704 · 10-08-2009, 09:01 AM

yea found a place that has dice pretty cheap so i won't be waisting alot of money.

Oliver · 10-08-2009, 09:39 AM

If You dont mind using dice (acetone or other liquid to get it kicking) , dice is a great "spring board" to get learning sub zero benching, whats happening when getting sub ambient on and with the hardware aswell how to prevent and handle eventually condensation.

Take your time and dont be in a rush, step by step...

If you have any questions or similar, dont hesistate to ask

GL and keep pushing it

joeyw3704 · 10-10-2009, 05:42 PM

Cpu and np pot on the way ;0

overclocking101 · 10-10-2009, 06:41 PM

I make my own but at the price of the koolance pot you cant go wrong. i almost pulled the trigger on the kingpin pot but still have not though i might soon. but the koolance pot keeps popping up everywhere i look, a sighn maybe?? really on preference, though DICE will get you quite cold -56c was my lowest and that was enough for 5.3ghz on my old E8500 though later that day it did blow up and took my maximus extreme with it, just remember you may kill a cpu/board once or twice so try to have a backup especially when trying cold for the first time

joeyw3704 · 10-13-2009, 09:05 AM

pot will be in on thurs.. will insulate and run dice then

Sam__ · 10-14-2009, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by overclocking101

just remember you may kill a cpu/board once or twice so try to have a backup especially when trying cold for the first time

+1 on this. ALWAYS have a backup, you dont wanna be left with 10kgs of DIce and nothing to use it with.

joeyw3704 · 10-14-2009, 07:47 AM

Yea i'm running on an old biostar board with AMD athlon 64. LOL just to get started and work on insulation

Sam__ · 10-14-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by joeyw3704

Yea i'm running on an old biostar board with AMD athlon 64. LOL just to get started and work on insulation

very good idea.

Onoff312 · 10-15-2009, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam__

+1 on this. ALWAYS have a backup, you dont wanna be left with 10kgs of DIce and nothing to use it with.

That happens and you just make Dice bombs

Sam__ · 10-15-2009, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Onoff312

That happens and you just make Dice bombs

aha, very true. i ended up doing that just last week.

Oj101 · 10-15-2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by joeyw3704

Yea i'm running on an old biostar board with AMD athlon 64. LOL just to get started and work on insulation

Bad idea for DI, you're probably going to coldbug to hell and back

joeyw3704 · 10-15-2009, 04:10 PM

this board and chip where free so. I really just want to check my insulation skillz. Have to wait for the 4way sli to get in for x58 action.

So I can use the vanilla x-58. What do you suggest for first time.

lesstutrey · 10-15-2009, 06:38 PM

I went in head first for my first subzero experience, with my e8400 and my p5q-d (i was only using phase change though, and it was my good 775 setup at the time.. still is). Before you even start with the DICE master your motherboard, meaning go in and max out the FSB on a low multiplier so you know what you're doing with the motherboard voltages. Taking time learning a board while you're using DICE just wastes DICE, know how to max that sucker beforehand. That's my biggest piece of advice. The motherboard plays a large part in overclocking and you can learn to master the mobo without subzero with low multipliers. Do it, and you will be thankful you did.

Oj101 · 10-16-2009, 01:51 AM

Don't be TOO surprise if you can't boot with DI on that setup

lesstutrey · 10-16-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Oj101

Don't be TOO surprise if you can't boot with DI on that setup

because of the board or type of chip?

Sam__ · 10-17-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lesstutrey

I went in head first for my first subzero experience, with my e8400 and my p5q-d (i was only using phase change though, and it was my good 775 setup at the time.. still is). Before you even start with the DICE master your motherboard, meaning go in and max out the FSB on a low multiplier so you know what you're doing with the motherboard voltages. Taking time learning a board while you're using DICE just wastes DICE, know how to max that sucker beforehand. That's my biggest piece of advice. The motherboard plays a large part in overclocking and you can learn to master the mobo without subzero with low multipliers. Do it, and you will be thankful you did.

words of wisdom.

Buckeye · 10-17-2009, 04:31 PM

Also to get the max cold out of DICE bust that stuff up into a powder.

The first frew times that you add DICE to the acetone mix it will foam up, be careful. When the temp of the mix drops the foaming will go down a bit, just dont add a lot at one time. After it gets cold you can add larger pieces of DICE.

Keep the level of acetone up so that the DICE is actually in the acetone, use a piece of wire to mix it up if needed.

Oj101 · 10-17-2009, 11:58 PM

The chip. Most Athlon64s cold bug between about -25'c and +10'c

joeyw3704 · 10-19-2009, 04:40 PM

ok. t hanks for alll the input guys. @lesstutrey I gave learned alot about this board i am running now which is an evga x58 vanilla. I have maxed this board with C/0 chip out at 4.2 on air. Haven't got all my parts for h20 yet. but with a c/o thats not to bad. i'm going to use this chip first a purchase a D/0 and try out the c/0 first when i get some experience under my belt.