After doing a lot of researching and asking questions about water cooling my components, I found that doing in my current ATCS 840 would prove to be very challenging. I would need to fit 2 360 radiators in my case, and with the ATCS 840 it would be very tough and require A LOT of modding which I really don't wanna do since its a beautiful case and someone actually wants to buy it for a used price.
Now, I have looked a bunch of options for cases that would fit 2 360 radiators. I don't mind doing some modding, but the least, the better. My options that I have considered are as follows:
1) Mountain Mods U2-UFO CYO - Duality Front/Standard Back/Horizontal Mobo - Place both 360s on duality front panel
2) Lian Li V1000 or V2000 - Mod bottom and top to fit a 360
4) Lian Li PCA70B - Mod the bottom and top to fit a 360
3) Silverstone TJ07 - Add another 120 hole for 360 on top
So these are the options I have considered. Here is my loops that I am looking to make.
Loop 1 CPU/Mobo: Typhoon III > Feser 360 > CPU Block > Mobo Block > Typhoon III
Loop 2 GPUs: Typoon III > Feser 360 > GPU Block 1 > GPU Block 2 > Typoon III
(Will be using colored tubing w/ distilled water + Petras PT Nuke)
CPU: i7 920 D0 OCd 4.0gh @ 1.28v - Waterblock probably Heatkiller
GPUs: GTX 295 Single PCB - Waterblock probably EK or Koolance
Mobo: ASUS RIIE - NB/SB Waterblock (Possibly Mosfets) Koolance
Fans for Rad: I am going with a white theme, so the GELID White blade fans are probably what I am going to use (Link: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24965).
Overall Im looking to improve temps on my CPU and GPUs for my overclocks and be able to run a constant OC'd machine 24/7 without worrying about heat and hopefully making this computer more quiet than it is now on air.
The RX360 and any other rad with similar thickness will not fit in the roof of the TJ07. A thinner rad will fit though with some modding.
Well then I think that case would be out only because I already have 1 feser 360 rad here from a previous build and I would like to keep the it same since It has served me well in the past lol.
Location: The supreme land of rules and regulations
Posts: 297
Since you are using the Typhoon III, you shouldn't consider this as actually being two completely separated loops because they are not. That being said, you could use a 120x4 and a 120x2 which will easily fit in the bottom of a TJ07 with minimal modding and have basically the same cooling capacity in your loop as 2x 120x3.
__________________
"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation." - Adolph Hitler (Mein Kampf) and most likely Jack Thompson's inspiration.
Since you are using the Typhoon III, you shouldn't consider this as actually being two completely separated loops because they are not. That being said, you could use a 120x4 and a 120x2 which will easily fit in the bottom of a TJ07 with minimal modding and have basically the same cooling capacity in your loop as 2x 120x3.
I was curious how the Typhoon 3 would actually work w/ my set up. Tried to figure it out but I guess I was wrong, how exactly would it work?
Location: The supreme land of rules and regulations
Posts: 297
You can and should set up two parallel loops to take advantage of the benefits this res provides in that configuration but they will be just that parallel loops sharing the same water supply from the res, not isolated separate loops. That being the case with the same coolant passing through the rads in both loops it will reach an equilibrium so it shouldn't really matter much whether you have 2x 120x3 or 120x2 and 120x4.
**edit** This is at least my understanding of the way this works, I have not done any testing comparing the two configurations. You could ask BoxGods from the TIII thread to make sure this is correct if you like. In fact, I think I'll ask him this question to make sure this is correct.
**edit again** I just sent him a PM pointing out this thread and asking him to chime in with his thoughts.
Last edited by century child; 09-25-2009 at 05:45 AM.
Why can't you use your existing ATCS and put a 360 at the double fan position at the HDD bay? I have a double there. Using the stacked variant of the MCR allows you to have one port directed at the 5.25" bays (for the pump/res) and the other port outward (rest of system).
EDIT: I'm not suggesting you use a stacked setup, just the STACK model.
I secured my double rad with zip ties to the hdd bay and have the fans directed at the motherboard. Using the stack model made tubing routing very clean with one port facing to pump/res and the other port facing the motherboard.
Granted if you want to opt for a thick rad with 38mm fans this would be a tight fit.
I think Century brings up a good point. I'm confident that the T3 will handle your loop, but if you don't want to get a MM case, i don't see why a 120x4 and a 120x2 won't handle the loop. I would just put the 120.4 on the GPUs and MB block loop and the 120x2 on the CPU loop.
Fit one in the top, and one in front of the hdd bays. The 2nd one may need to be thin depending on your gear:
This pic has the 2nd rad as a 120.2, but I have also seen a 120.3 there (and the above pic is actually a thick rad!). Obviously that system isn't finished.. but you get the idea.
Its also not going to be ideal, as the hdd bays probably cause a fair amount of restriction in air flow not to mention the hdd's heating the air. But still, for an all internal set up, its not bad.
You can and should set up two parallel loops to take advantage of the benefits this res provides in that configuration but they will be just that parallel loops sharing the same water supply from the res, not isolated separate loops. That being the case with the same coolant passing through the rads in both loops it will reach an equilibrium so it shouldn't really matter much whether you have 2x 120x3 or 120x2 and 120x4.
**edit** This is at least my understanding of the way this works, I have not done any testing comparing the two configurations. You could ask BoxGods from the TIII thread to make sure this is correct if you like. In fact, I think I'll ask him this question to make sure this is correct.
**edit again** I just sent him a PM pointing out this thread and asking him to chime in with his thoughts.
Correct. If you took that a step further and looked at rated cooling performance rather then number of fan holes you have even more options then you think. Said another way, if you want to hit xxx cooling power and keep fan RPM bellow xxxx (low RPM fans for lower noise for example) then you find a combination of radiators that hits those design goals AND the space available in your case.
You might consider the newer 140mm fan rads like the SR-1 for example. Also consider that rads tend to love more flow so using the T3 is going to improve radiator performance some.
Correct. If you took that a step further and looked at rated cooling performance rather then number of fan holes you have even more options then you think. Said another way, if you want to hit xxx cooling power and keep fan RPM bellow xxxx (low RPM fans for lower noise for example) then you find a combination of radiators that hits those design goals AND the space available in your case.
You might consider the newer 140mm fan rads like the SR-1 for example. Also consider that rads tend to love more flow so using the T3 is going to improve radiator performance some.
Helpful stuff right there. Thank you.
So do you think though at a 360 and 240 can handle what I am looking to cool with the T3? I am still debating cooling the mobo, if that will make or break the cooling I can take it out and do it another time when I have better stuff available.
MB really isn't needed. A fan pointed at the heatsink will normally be enough. You probably could get away with the 360 and 220 though. You might need some higher speed fans for when under load though.
MB really isn't needed. A fan pointed at the heatsink will normally be enough. You probably could get away with the 360 and 220 though. You might need some higher speed fans for when under load though.
What about using all Scythe GT 1850 or Enermax Magma fams, can always paint find white .
The MM series is a love it or hate it concept.
Meaning just that.
You will love it at first sight, or absolutely hate it.
If your gonna continue in this crack hobby we call watercooling, you want the biggest possible case you can tolerate.
You will ALWAYS run out of room.
That being said, if the MM Hori was on your list, that should be your first pick, if you like how MM's look.
This is so true! The 1st time I saw a MM case, I thought it was really ugly and why would anyone pay that kind of money for it.
As time has gone on, and the WC 'bug' has taken a deeper hold, space constraints have become a reality.
I was going to go with an Ascension, but several people suggested the extended version, that is now what I am building and I am very happy I made that choice.
MM cases are so perfect for WC'ing, there are so many different options, also they are so easy to work with if you want to change stuff around.
__________________
i7 975 EVGA X58 Classified 6Gb Corsair Dominator GT 2 x EVGA 285 FTW 2x 300Gb Velociraptor in RAID 0 WD Black 500Gb
WC loop 1: HK 3.0 Fesser 360 BP VREG BP NB D5 pump
loop 2: 2 x EVGA HC's Fesser 240 D5 pump
Fit one in the top, and one in front of the hdd bays. The 2nd one may need to be thin depending on your gear:
[IMG]-[/IMG]
This pic has the 2nd rad as a 120.2, but I have also seen a 120.3 there (and the above pic is actually a thick rad!). Obviously that system isn't finished.. but you get the idea.
Its also not going to be ideal, as the hdd bays probably cause a fair amount of restriction in air flow not to mention the hdd's heating the air. But still, for an all internal set up, its not bad.
with a radiator in the middle of the case where does it get cool air and where does the hot air go
__________________ ABANDON THE MODERN WARFARE 2 BOYCOTT.
Infinity Ward has promised revolutionary Mouse Control™ and Graphical Settings™ in the PC version of COD:MW2. Nothing more to complain about.
My point wasn't that its the perfect case, or the ideal set up or anything like that. Simply that he already has a case that will take 2 rads internally. If he wants to spend money on a different case, thats fine, it just seemed his reasoning for it was off.
The air is drawn over the hdd's before entering the rad, and hot air is exhausted into the case. No, its not ideal, but people have that set up and it works.
id rather put it in front in the 5.25" bays or something
i just cant imagine the cooling capacity is significantly enhanced using hard drive air and then dumping the gain out on top of your chipset
props nonetheless
but if it were me id either make it fit up front or put a second triple on top with standoffs (external)
__________________ ABANDON THE MODERN WARFARE 2 BOYCOTT.
Infinity Ward has promised revolutionary Mouse Control™ and Graphical Settings™ in the PC version of COD:MW2. Nothing more to complain about.
I know 1 on the top and I thought modding would be required for the bottom to even get a double in there.
.
Linear Mode
