Stacker 830 and Vapochill LS; how will they fit?

terente0081 · 01-26-2007, 04:21 PM

This is my 1st post.

I ordered a Vapochill LS unit. My plan was to put the LS unit under the case, as I saw in some reviews. I then saw that the Stacker 830 has a bigger footprint than the LS.
Any ideeas on how to mount the LS? I need it placed somehow so I can move the system around, so I need it tied to the case.
Any ideeas? Any of you guys have these two paired?

Thanks

Speederlander · 01-26-2007, 05:53 PM

Try unriveting the base from the frame. The frame should be the same size as the Vapo. Not sure how that would work with the side panels though...

~~Drag~~ · 01-27-2007, 01:36 AM

i saw it before, it should work

Solarfall · 01-27-2007, 02:21 AM

i beleave that little bit of modding is necesery. i whould do it like this:
bolt the vapo to the case. and then put wheels on the Ls, it should help you with moving the case around. oh and drill a hole to the bottom of the case for vapo's head.

Master_G · 01-27-2007, 08:12 AM

Original stacker with LS

From the looks of the case i reckon you would want to remove the bottom frame so that the LS and stacker sit flush with each other, then you can screw them together as usual.
For movement, putting wheels on the bottom shouldnt be a problem, may want to reinforce the base to avoid any bending. Could also build a tray with wheels to sit it on so that you dont have to interfere with the LS case itself.

G

Shift · 01-27-2007, 12:05 PM

Go ask Xgman. If you search him up on this forum using the members list, you can see his avatar which has a stacker 830 on top of a vapochill

~~FragTek~~ · 01-27-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shift

Go ask Xgman. If you search him up on this forum using the members list, you can see his avatar which has a stacker 830 on top of a vapochill

= ugly

Shift · 01-27-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FragTek

= ugly

Coming from a man who owns a VapoLi, hater!

terente0081 · 01-27-2007, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shift

Go ask Xgman. If you search him up on this forum using the members list, you can see his avatar which has a stacker 830 on top of a vapochill

Thanks you guys, all of you! Your help is greately appreciated. I saw Xgman's system picture and it doesnt look bad. I think I'm going to have mine attached to the case just like him.

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Originally Posted by FragTek

= ugly

FragTek, I must admit the LS fits perfectly with your Lian Li case, but I must fit a 1100W Tagan PSU (bigger than the usual PSUs and has no removable rails), 2 8800GTX's, one X-Fi with Front Bay, 4 HDDs, 2 optical drives and one Aerogate Powerwatch. I also need to have a place to fit some 120mm case fans for a better airflow. The Lian Li looks nice with the LS but it's just too small to fit all those.
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I'm wondering how the LS will handle the QX6700 ES Quad core. It seems I made my purchase without researching. I saw some threads here that are basically saying I'm going to burn the LS due to overloading. Is that possible? QX6700 has a 135W TDP, the LS has 240W. How can the QX6700 overload the LS? How hard would I need to overclock the CPU to have it overload the LS? Any estimates?
If indeed the LS is overloaded, how can I make it work? What do I have to mod? Can I do it myself?

Thanks

Shift · 01-27-2007, 07:53 PM

I don't think you can overload the LS with a quad core. You won't.

LS can handle a Quad core overclocked to 4ghz just fine. And if you need it modded you can ask jinu117 from the forums.

Speederlander · 01-27-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shift

I don't think you can overload the LS with a quad core. You won't.

LS can handle a Quad core overclocked to 4ghz just fine. And if you need it modded you can ask jinu117 from the forums.

Incorrect. Please read the recent thread on this very topic in the phase forum.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=130922

Quote: "Major thing here is that stock Vapochills and Nventiv units are not up to quad core heat load. Many people see quick depreciation in temperatures after about two weeks, but more in vapochills then mach's. I propose this is due to liquid floodback wearing at the compressor and depleted efficiency."

terente0081 · 01-27-2007, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shift

I don't think you can overload the LS with a quad core. You won't.

LS can handle a Quad core overclocked to 4ghz just fine. And if you need it modded you can ask jinu117 from the forums.

Shift,

As Speedlander pointed, some say the LS units can't take the heat from the quad cores. There's a guy on the evga forums that has a quad core @ 4ghz cooled by an LS unit. I emailed him just now to see if his unit is acting weird and cpu-evap temps rising or working correctly.

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Originally Posted by Speederlander

Incorrect. Please read the recent thread on this very topic in the phase forum.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=130922

Quote: "Major thing here is that stock Vapochills and Nventiv units are not up to quad core heat load. Many people see quick depreciation in temperatures after about two weeks, but more in vapochills then mach's. I propose this is due to liquid floodback wearing at the compressor and depleted efficiency."

Speedlander,

That's exactly the thread I was reading. Sad part is that if my Vapo won't work, I don't think I'll be able to find someone to mod it due to the fact I live in Romania. I don't suppose any moders live here.
My plan was to reach some 3.6GHz with the quad. I'm not after the maximum overclock, I wanted some overclock, but mainly, I don't want to see my CPU reach the 80's as it does now.
I figured LS, 3.6GHz and 10 degrees under full load would be perfect. It seems that I won't be able to acomplish that.

Speederlander · 01-27-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by terente0081

Shift,

As Speedlander pointed, some say the LS units can't take the heat from the quad cores. There's a guy on the evga forums that has a quad core @ 4ghz cooled by an LS unit. I emailed him just now to see if his unit is acting weird and cpu-evap temps rising or working correctly.

Speedlander,

That's exactly the thread I was reading. Sad part is that if my Vapo won't work, I don't think I'll be able to find someone to mod it due to the fact I live in Romania. I don't suppose any moders live here.
My plan was to reach some 3.6GHz with the quad. I'm not after the maximum overclock, I wanted some overclock, but mainly, I don't want to see my CPU reach the 80's as it does now.
I figured LS, 3.6GHz and 10 degrees under full load would be perfect. It seems that I won't be able to acomplish that.

If you are a little lucky and can get to 3.6GHz with only a small voltage boost, you can do it with a Vapo. But a lot of people have to punch high volts just to get to 3.6GHz. Heavy overclocks of a quad max out the heatload of a vapo, moderate OCs probably work fine. But not many people use a vapo for moderate OCs.

terente0081 · 01-28-2007, 08:11 AM

Guys, got a reply from my friend. He said his unit works flawless for 2 months now, with a 4ghz overclocked qx6700. Evap temp -30 stable, CPU max 25 at 100%. He also said his 1st unit sounded like frying chips on a overclocked X2 4800. RMA'd the unit and this one works ok.
Maybe there are some bad units out there? What do you guys think?

Speederlander · 01-28-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by terente0081

Guys, got a reply from my friend. He said his unit works flawless for 2 months now, with a 4ghz overclocked qx6700. Evap temp -30 stable, CPU max 25 at 100%. He also said his 1st unit sounded like frying chips on a overclocked X2 4800. RMA'd the unit and this one works ok.
Maybe there are some bad units out there? What do you guys think?

I think I would trust the collective wisdom of the phase change group here. Vapos have a serious issue handling heavily overclocked quads. If nothing else you cut the life of your vapo. Research the phase forum and then make your decision.

n00b 0f l337 · 01-28-2007, 10:49 AM

Good to see that threads being actually read. Do not expect a long life out of your Vapo if you try and overclock your quadcore heavily.

~~Drag~~ · 01-28-2007, 10:59 AM

OMFG i have seen it happen so many times that a mach2 overclocked an qx6700 no vapor change units have died from it yet so please stop worrieing...

http://rol-co.nl/images/langer.jpg
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/127769.png

n00b 0f l337 · 01-28-2007, 11:51 AM

Thats a modded unit correct? We're talking about stock units. Drag you seem to ask alot of questions on whether it works and now you say it does. And we're not talking about small oc's or the like, though those too can overload the unit. We're talking about oc'ing for the max possible stable like many of us due.

AND:
Harvsharks has died among a few others.

terente0081 · 01-28-2007, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337

Thats a modded unit correct? We're talking about stock units. Drag you seem to ask alot of questions on whether it works and now you say it does. And we're not talking about small oc's or the like, though those too can overload the unit. We're talking about oc'ing for the max possible stable like many of us due.

AND:
Harvsharks has died among a few others.

NoL,
What's your personal oppinion? Will I be able to overclock the quad? How much?
Thanks

~~Drag~~ · 01-30-2007, 08:12 AM

3.6ghz i think.. then it will produce 425 wats

Master_G · 01-31-2007, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Drag

3.6ghz i think.. then it will produce 425 wats

425W? What are you on about? If that was the case then the LS could never handle it as it is only rated for 200W. It is not just a question of the clockspeed, it also matters what Vcore you need to attain it.

G

MotF Bane · 02-03-2007, 07:49 PM

I was wondering about phase change...
could you attach a larger evaporator to the unit with a fan on top (of the new evaporator block), and just chill the air in your case, and have the fan moving the cold air throughout the entire case? Or is that too inefficient?
Also, what about splitting it up, and having two evaporator blocks on the same system. Would that work?

HeavyH20 · 02-03-2007, 11:06 PM

Well, just for another comparison, here is a Stacker 832 on a Vapo LS. I used mine to get the qx6700 to 4.38 GHz. Day to Day, I run the system at 4.0 GHz (1.5VCore).

~~Drag~~ · 02-04-2007, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Master_G

425W? What are you on about? If that was the case then the LS could never handle it as it is only rated for 200W. It is not just a question of the clockspeed, it also matters what Vcore you need to attain it.

G

i was wrong, i ment more like 220. the psu calculator i used was wrong

terente0081 · 02-06-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavyH20

Well, just for another comparison, here is a Stacker 832 on a Vapo LS. I used mine to get the qx6700 to 4.38 GHz. Day to Day, I run the system at 4.0 GHz (1.5VCore).

Jeez Heavy, that's a serious rig there. I'm still waiting on my unit to arrive from the UK. I like the look of your case, very clean. I have alot of cables in mine. 6 SATA drives and a fan controller. I'll clean it up though, hide the cables somehow.
How does your LS keep up with the QX@4GHz? Is it a stock LS? Or modded?
Thanks