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Old 01-13-2007, 11:22 AM   #1
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Mine first "serious" cascade, 2 x ROTARY ..-96*C@215W, -120.7*C best

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A bit long time ago I've started building mine first seroius cascade, using 2 rotary compressors (the first ever I've build in summer 05' but it had never worked properly because of too weak 1st stage compressor ) . I had planned to make cased casade (I had one cuted wooden base left) and with quite big SLHX before interstage HX. First I had planned to go with CPEV on 1st stage and captube on second, later I swap it to captube on both stages, because CPEV wasn't worked good as a 1st stage expansion valve . Work started at Septemer, than first test and after it I wasn't really happy with it (some tests on LanParty and it made around -95*c on Conroe E6700@4.5 Ghz) . Then bit long break because of having absolutely no time for it, and after Xmas I've finished it (change expansion valve to cascade, throwing away one gauge, mount cut-off repaint of case, puting one UV coldcathode inside) .

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Compressors: Sanyo remark C-1RN57H5A on 1st stage, LG QB164PAB on 2nd stage
Evap: 50 mm tall spiral evaporator by piotres with CNC made black enclosure
XV: Captubes on both stages, 0.8 mm
Condenser: 1.5 kW, 2 row, alu-cu, cooled by orginal 230 V fan, splited for 2 loops (one small loop for 2nd stage desuperheater)
HXes : 15/8 mm 4.5 m long Interstage HX + 15/8 mm 2.5 m long SLHX
Oilseparator : Temprite 340 with Castel handvalve (on the front panel)
Refrigerants : R507/R1150
Case : Chipboard case, dimensions 64x54x42 cm, painted black
Safety : Cut-off with autoreset, set for 25 bara
Others: 2nd stage discharge gauge, coldcathode UV, LCD HX outlet temperature probe, small expansion tank, Delta 120 mm fan in side wall to cool two rotaries












CPEV valve which was mounted only for short time as a 1st stage XV ;-).





Evap is bigger than that which I usually use, suction line is braided, around 140 cm long (stainless mesh).



That green probe make around 5-10*C fail around -100*c range (show too high temps), so later I've swap it for good one (yellow ) .







First time I've used Danfoss EVR3 solenoid as a oil back valve - but it has a leak, so later I've changed it for Castel handvalve mounted on front panel of case.





First run with Ethylene . That probe showed bad temps as I've wrote above .





Short test on LanParty in Warsaw, IIRC that was 20.09.2006. ;-). On E6700 set to around 4500 Mhz it's has made -95*c measured but bad probe ...but I wasn't happy with it, discharge pressures are bit high on both stages, CPEV on 1st stage was a bad idea .

Now quite long break ...no works on cascade ...and



After changing XV on 1st stage for captube, mounting cut-off, and removing 2nd stage low side gauge (it was damaged) I put some co2 inside 2nd stage ;-) ...so I'm now in -100*C @Co2 club hehe .



And in -120*C overall (R1150) ;-) . Do we have -120*C club ??



Finished, only case left :-) .





Delta 120mm fan and CCFL UV .





After screwing case I decided to change outside color of cascade for classic black ..ahh not so classic, because it's paint used for bumpers in cars, it has specifical structure (it is not smooth) :-).



Temperature on 215W dummyload = -96*C



On 115W = -102.5*C

Evaporator unloaded is around -112*C with final charge.



Interstage HX outlet with no load .









Cascade is for sale, shoot me PM if You're interested :-) .

PS. Somebody can change my sig under nick ;-) ....hehe .

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Peter

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Old 01-13-2007, 11:32 AM   #2
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Not bad, whats the noise level and overall dimensions? Looks a bit bigger than my work in progress.
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Old 01-13-2007, 11:45 AM   #3
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Not bad, whats the noise level and overall dimensions? Looks a bit bigger than my work in progress.
64 x 54 x 42 cm

Rotaries are said to be rather loudly compressors and I think that's true ;-) . But it's not very loudly, just bit loudly .
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Old 01-13-2007, 11:53 AM   #4
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Sweeet piotres - you do very professional work
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Old 01-13-2007, 11:55 AM   #5
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Great work piotres, this looks as if it might be able to handle the quads. Also, I love how clean everything is. Through IMO, I like the orange better than the black
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Old 01-13-2007, 12:20 PM   #6
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nice ideea with the hx but woudnt that rotary ckook itself in there???
nice bling bling! u know what the market wants.
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Old 01-13-2007, 01:09 PM   #7
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Yes I worry about that rotary, also the non-floated oil sep will decrease your efficiency as a long term benching setup sadly.
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Old 01-13-2007, 01:39 PM   #8
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piotres thats one fine looking cascade , i know soem one that will be intrested .
great work !
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Guys that 1st stage rotary mounted "into" HX's coax is cooled by that 120mm Delta too ...and it isn't hotter than 110*c after long time or work with load, so rather it's good working temperature for rotary .
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:17 PM   #10
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blah, black is too simply
I like earlier version in orange colour
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Old 01-13-2007, 03:16 PM   #12
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Nice work, the recessed screws was a Nice touch & looks better .

but I'm biased toward Chevrolet "Hugger Orange" with black strips as thats the original color of my 69 Z-28.
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Wow very nice cascade Piotres ! I didn't realise rotaries ran as hot as over 100c?!
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Wow very nice cascade Piotres ! I didn't realise rotaries ran as hot as over 100c?!
Sure, discharge line near compressor's top is almost always around 110*C in mine units with rotary compressors .

Thanks guys .
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forgot to mention if you drilled standard size countersink holes they make plastic plugs in all colors to cover screw heads.
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How powerful are the rotaries exactly? 1/2hp, 1hp?
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C-1RN57H5A (1st stage) is 6826 BTU so around 2/3 HP, and QB164PAB (2nd stage) is near 10000 BTU, so rather 1 HP (don't remember for sure how much BTU has 164PAB).
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What are the running pressures ???
Also , can you please give us the capillary length for both stages ?

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Damn bro, that's one clean Cascade, really nice job. Gotta love the Chevy hugger orange.
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What are the running pressures ???
Also , can you please give us the capillary length for both stages ?

Well Done !
Hym ..1st stage is sth like -0.2 bara/15 bara, 2nd -0.2/13 bara with noload ...but I haven't checked that for sure ...so don't threat that as a fact .

Captubes are around 215 cm on 1st stage and 245 cm on 2nd, both 0.8 mm.

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Nice work, at last you finished it
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Also on another thought, CPEV on 2nd stage would do you a ton more good then the first as the heatload on the first stage can change wildly.
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