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Old 05-27-2006, 11:07 PM   #1
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New Chilly 'Duo' for Meta-Morphis

I've been working slowly away at the dual evap rotary project for someone from O-CuK forums, and thought I'd post pics of how it's coming along

I've been slowed down on my work lately, but I've developed some severe Carpal Tunnel in my wrists and it's agony just to type at the moment. Hopefully the British Medical system helps me out with that soon but for now it just makes the work go a little slower. Losing feeling in 4 out of 5 fingers on each hand sure makes it hard to 'feel' what you're doing

Anyways, the controller will be coming from Ssilencer and Golden Eagle when the K-probe system is ready for the 'X' based controllers and will have all of the needed safeties and such.

The spec currently on it...

3/4HP Carrier Mitsubishi Electric rotary compressor
2 previous revision Chilly1 heads
3m of .031" captube per head
Common suction and short flexi per head
6 row condensor
90cfm condensor fan
65cfm exhaust fans x 2
Custom Dimas 'Tall Boy' case
Full 'R-Blox' (tm) sound insulation

Gas currrently for testing has been 404a, but will very likely be 402a in the final step.

The wiring is just there for testing that will all be redone to my satisfaction later on as well.

The older Chilly heads were used for a reason. The capacitor clearance...well every bit of clearance is incredibly tight on this motherboard, so the extra couple of mm you get makes all the difference in ensuring the mount is good.

The line is a full 1/2" bore flex, but there's a 2.5" per head short flexi line to the solid tubing that goes into the flexi to the compressor. That is just enough to allow the heads to very easily flex into position when mounting.

That lineset was a real challenge to make, not just for the intricacies of a common suction, but getting the dimensions 'just right' was harder than it looks Wish I'd gotten pre-insulation pics, but I may be stripping it down fully when I redo it for it's final setup and if I do, will get pics of the 'naked' line then.








Sound insulation. Rotaries are notoriously loud, but this will ensure reasonable noise levels. Only a 'boot' for the suction line to keep the noise from getting out of the top hole, and a 'baffle plate' for the rear to allow airflow, but very little noise, is still being made.


The backplates I'm using for testing with 150w load resistors. The system will have a full single backplate for the install, only the heads will remain independant for best contact.






you know what 'big hands' means


The intended 'victim'







Edit, just a quick 'frosty' shot


That motherboard will have a couple of self adhesive 'seal pads' made for it, and the foam rings made from slightly smaller, and shorter foam and the insulation from the board will 'reach up' to the rings. That's mainly due to the capacitor clearance. I've got loads of self adhesive 6mm neoprene, and will do a couple of extra pads for him if he needed to replace the mobo later or anything like that

And that's about it for now.

I didn't get pics of the temp and load testing out in the shed, but that can wait for now. It's a little cramped in my little shed with all the work lately

Temps are currently about -65 idle and -44 load per head. The balance is amazing and I'd recommend a common suction to anyone for better balance on dual head if it's at all possible as I think that's really helping. With 402a and a little more playing with it, I'm pretty sure that -50 per head shoudl be about right.

I don't like the configuration of the filter, I tried that to get a strong liquid backpressure going but it's a little more than I was after and it's easy enough to play on that part of it. The insulation and heatshrink will be redone nicer later on, was just having a play to see how difficult it would be to 'pretty that up' a little


My wife won't let me do any temp or load testing in the house until the sound insulation is done though doesn't like my 'noise'. Silly woman

So yeah, will update this post with more later on as I get more done, and the controller arrives

Cheers

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Old 05-27-2006, 11:14 PM   #2
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doesn't like my 'noise'. Silly woman
my wife is like that too, i spend a lot of time on my unit and all she says si "oooohhh it has frost!"


but what can you do?
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Old 05-27-2006, 11:21 PM   #3
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there will be some good reading over @ocuk when this lands

hope ya fingers get better

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Old 05-27-2006, 11:28 PM   #4
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Dude looks awsome,

I go with the Cold is more important approach when it comes to noise, girls ay.Lol

Rest ya hands gray as you work to hard, Altho i wasnt saying that when i wanted my Unit built.lol

Anyway CLass yet again.
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Old 05-28-2006, 12:21 AM   #5
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Nice work there Gray. I wish I could do something that nice
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Old 05-28-2006, 01:09 AM   #6
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nice dual head there
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Old 05-28-2006, 01:56 AM   #7
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Very nice Gray

Those Rotaries are loud little hummers

Would love to see some pictures of the line assembly without insulation.

Great work dude,

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Old 05-28-2006, 02:15 AM   #8
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Gray mate,

Fantastic job, looks like my CPC records could be tumbling shortly - watch out PCMark also.

The sound proofing looks almost a necessity with rotary comp's - probs need some sort of anti vibration mounts between the bottom of the case and the floor.

Carpal tunnel mate - not good that, the ops are 80%+ successfull, but the recovery period is about 6 weeks mate, it's worth giving it the full 6-8 weeks too as the chances of a full recovery are much improved.

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Old 05-28-2006, 02:22 PM   #9
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dude that looks awesome. great job.
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Old 05-28-2006, 02:43 PM   #10
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Wow man, you've done great! A dual head for a dual proc mobo, that's so awesome.

Can't wait to see some pix of everything together with some temp readings on both procs!!
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Old 05-28-2006, 06:36 PM   #11
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Thanks everyone

It's great to see positive feedback on the project for sure.

I haven't actually heard back from Meta-Morphis about how it's coming along and all that, but hopefully he likes how it's coming together.

Sound proofing of some kind is totally essential with rotaries if you want something reasonable for noise.

I tested this with the panels on and it's livable really. The fan in the front is a bit noisy too though, so really it's never going to be a 'quiet' solution but that wasn't really the idea. He wants it to be a powerful 24/7 cooling solution and that's exactly what he's going to have. The sound deadener and all that, it was my idea He's always said from the start that it being noisy wasn't much of an issue. It's definitely NOT louder than the 4 or 5 Delta focussed flow fans in his other rigs

Anyways, cheers guys

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Old 05-29-2006, 08:40 AM   #12
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That's really great Mr Mole. Having the common suction line saves a lot of space over having two suction lines.

Keep it up.
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Old 05-29-2006, 08:46 AM   #13
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Yeah, might wanna fix the pix.
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Old 05-29-2006, 08:51 AM   #14
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Yeah, might wanna fix the pix.
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The pics are fine for me also .. I think it's a problem at your end Big SturL.
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HOLY *biieeeeep* ... this unit looks damn nice!
RLY nice work there Gray!
Keep it up!

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looks good !

Does the sound insulation works?
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Old 05-29-2006, 12:13 PM   #19
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looks good, i'd be afraid to pay for the power bill for something like that though, be like adding a room air conditioner. i had a large recip for my chiller (maybe 1/3hp) and it made the lights in my garage dim when it started
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Of course the power to run it will be more than for a small system but I'm pretty sure it's less than running 2 mach units.

Would have to check that on a meter to see for sure, but I'd be surprised if it was much more.

The sound insulation would be even better if it was a 'foam' type, but I was quite impressed with how much it did for the noise. It was a little louder than a Vapo would be of course, but the front fan was louder than the compressor noise so I'm pretty happy with how that worked out.

Once the 'boot' is made to block the top hole, and the baffle plate is done to minimize the rear exiting noise, it should be very reasonable

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looking very nice ! keep up the good work
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Old 05-29-2006, 07:48 PM   #22
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Really nice work there Gray. Very professional finish!

Keep up the good work.

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Old 05-30-2006, 09:41 PM   #23
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I missed this one somehow, was thinking of exactly the same thing lately for My PC-DL but my cpus are clocked so high already I keep putting it off.

Very nice idea gray with the common suction line, must have been quite the challenge to build up.. I was thinking the same but then started thinking towards a dual line again to make it compatible with other and maybe newer xeon solutions where cpus ae placed differently.

All in all amazing unit Send it to me Ill test it
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