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Old 05-22-2006, 12:38 PM   #1
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Extra voltage makes core 1 crap out?

Well many of you have seen my now famous and extremely slutty 165 strut her stuff. At that time I was trying to get my core 1 to break through it's barrier at 2.6ghz. I figured maybe heat was the issue, which was my reason for making it nude. Since then, through many more hours of burn in and testing, I have found that core 1 will still not go past 2.65 or so with any sort of stability. Allow me to elaborate:

- 2600mhz, 1.375v - 24/7 dual prime stable.
- 2650mhz, 1.375v - core 0 24/7 stable, core 1 fails after 6-8 hours depending on how it feels.
- 2700mhz, 1.375v - core 0 fails after 4 hours, core 1 fails after 15mins.

------ upping voltage

- 2500mhz, 1.425v - 24/7 dual prime stable.
- 2600mhz, 1.425v - core 0 24/7 stable, core 1 fails instantly.
- 2650mhz, 1.425v - core 0 24/7 stable, core 1 fails instantly.
And the trend continues...


Now, my load temps under dual prime at 2600mhz 1.375v were around 47c or so with IHS on and are now ~41c-42c and can be maintained even lower with the denki at higher rpm's. At 1.425v, load temps go to around 50-52c with ihs on and 44-45c with ihs off. Behavior has been the same on core 1 even with the temperature difference.

I then examined the possible interference of the PWM chips. Perhaps their extreme heat was causing the issue. So I slapped on some swiftech heatsinks and plopped an old AXP stock fan on top of them bringing load temps down from over 65c to ~38c at the same voltage. Still, core 1 acts the same.

So, clearly with a cool pwm, a good power source (OCZ 600w in sig), good load temps on a naked chip itself, a lot of possibilities have been removed. Why on earth would core 1 actually be MORE stable at near stock voltage than even with a slight increase like 1.425v, especially if heat was kept under control as it has been? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 05-22-2006, 09:13 PM   #2
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Wow guys...
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Old 05-22-2006, 10:07 PM   #3
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I would assume it would have to be heat.

Ambient temp?
Heatsink?
Fan?

I see ~52c loaded @ 1.42v ish, and at that temperature is where I am hitting my wall. I would assume your having something similar...

You could also just have a crappy core 1. No ammount of voltage could help it.

Is core 0 stable @ 2700 @ 1.425v?
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Old 05-23-2006, 10:29 AM   #4
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It can't be heat. It's like voltage tolerance of core 1 or something, but it'd be one of the first times I've seen it.
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Old 05-23-2006, 10:34 AM   #5
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I have similar things happen with my Intel 820.

When I run 4.2GHz, if I stress one core it will work fine. I'm talking 24 hours Prime stable. But the very second I stress the second core also.. it will crap out, just like yours. I don't think mine was voltage related though.. but it could have been.

Sounds like one core just straight out doesn't like 2.6GHz, and doesn't care what type of voltage you are feeding it. Did you try a voltage in between? Or *lower* than 1.375 if that is even possible for that speed?
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Old 05-24-2006, 11:57 AM   #6
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try raising your vdimm and see what happens
some times the memory controler will crap out if u running high vcore and low vdimm.
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Old 05-24-2006, 12:23 PM   #7
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He only raised .05 and it's already at 2.75v. Probably just the behavior of the chip

Maybe you got a bad mount, check the TIM connection when you remove the heatsink. On my naked cores sometimes only half the core would have contact with the heatsink, but temps were still acceptable, OC sucked though

Or you can try to sell and pick up a cheap 0609FPMW from monarch
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try raising your vdimm and see what happens
some times the memory controler will crap out if u running high vcore and low vdimm.
it's the other way around. don't spread false information.
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Old 05-24-2006, 12:33 PM   #9
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just bump the vdimm a bit and see what happens tho never know 2.8v
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Old 05-24-2006, 12:36 PM   #10
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it's the other way around. don't spread false information.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=100632

post 5 and sorry just what i read no need to get the hair on ur neck raised
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Old 05-24-2006, 11:39 PM   #11
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Which thermal compound are you using?
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Old 05-25-2006, 03:34 AM   #12
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are those temps with or without thermal offset ? belive i read somwhere that some steppings want temps under 45c to oc good.
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Old 05-25-2006, 12:33 PM   #13
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Quote:
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just bump the vdimm a bit and see what happens tho never know 2.8v
Seriously, do you really think I don't know every limitation of my memory? Or, for that matter, that I wouldn't have tried a divider? Memory's my thing dude.

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Which thermal compound are you using?
AS5...


It's something to do with the cpu guys, just the cpu. I was just curious what other people had done who had similar experiences with their dual-cores. It appears though that I've stepped into the [H] with some of the quetions I'm seeing haha.
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Old 05-26-2006, 10:32 AM   #14
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I was going to suggest you try something like This to lose a few of those degrees, but as you say, thats probably not the issue.

BTW: The [H] ?
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