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    The most luxury NVIDIA SLI 16X motherboard- MSI K8N Diamond Plus first look

    Base on the new release NVIDIA 16X+16X Chipset, it’s seems there is no motherboard good at spec and over clock. Now the MSI K8N Diamond Plus which is base on the good performance Diamond series enhances the spec to become the shining Socket 939 K8 motherboard.
    First, let us take a look of this motherboard.




    The bottom left side of the motherboard has been set up 2 PCI, 2PCI-E 1X, and 1 PCI-E 2X slots to satisfy the expansion demand of users.





    MSI brings the Creative SB Live! 24 to Diamond, set up the highest integrated audio class, now we have Sound Blaster Audigy SE comes with 24-bit/192kHz sampling, 106dB S/N ratio, supports EAX Advanced HD technology, and S/PDIF digital output through fiber optics or coaxial.
    The enthusiasts often buy another sound card to gain the better sound quality because they do not satisfied by integrated AC’97 audio.





    The bottom right
    It is convenient that the Clear CMOS becomes a botton.
    4 SATA2 by NVIDIA and 2 by Sil3132, support RAID 0, 1, 0+1, 5 mode.





    The jumper on the upper right of south bridge is the key point of this board,
    After DFI, this board becomes the second one which able to over 3.2V on DRAM!





    The extension of16X PCI-E slots bring the bigger thermal space,
    It’s also convenient to add on water cooling system, compressor, or other advanced thermal system.





    The partition of memory slots is almost the same as Neo4/Diamond,
    and the power connector is 24 pins, too.





    The materials surround CPU’s power
    The input power connector changes to 8 pins
    But the common power line which is 20+4 pins is also workable




    High quality copper-made heat pipe used between north bridge and south bridge
    A small fan is add on north bridge with low noise
    This design is prevent the high temperature cause the nForce4 chipset burn out.






    the IO partition
    Dual Gigabit LAN ports
    IEEE 1394 and fiber optics output with 4 USB ports
    The ability of expansion is very good





    Test Platform

    AMD 939 Athlon 3000+
    MSI K8N Diamond Plus
    GSkill 1GBGH/2GBHZ
    MSI NX7800GT SLI
    MAXTOR 30GB 5400 rpm
    COOLER MASTER 550W



    Because the DRAM slots support high voltage, I try to warm up with Winbond DDR
    G.Skill 1GBGH, 300MHz frequency divider 5:6, DDR490 2-2-2-5@3.3V
    (Low HD, mess system, Super PI 32M cannot get good record)






    3D performance
    Operating with MSI brand 7800GT SLI is a great hit



    G.Skill 2GBHZ, 300MHz frequency divider 5:6, DDR490 3-3-3-6@2.6V




    the score of 3DMark 2003



    the score of 3DMark 2005 @ VGA default





    Base on the “Diamond Heart” slogan of MSI
    This revision board has a very attractive spec
    The over clock ability is also enhanced, especially the memory over voltage up to 4.1V!

    This board is a nice motherboard with above average performance on feeling/spec/over clock sides
    MSI is quiet for a long time and bring us this good product, let us expect its coming.
    I spend a lot of time to take photo and testing, my weekend was over again…
    Other testing report of this motherboard will to be continued.




    12/09

    Next, the BIOS introduce

    Then main menu



    CPU frequency from 200 ~ 450 MHz



    CPU voltage 1st section from 0.080 ~ 1.450V



    CPU multiplier
    According to the CPU frequency, the lowest value is x5



    CPU voltage 2nd section
    +50 ~ 750mV, one 50mV is about plus 0.1V
    max plus to 1.2V… quite high
    You can get any voltage you want when match with 1st level CPU voltage.
    (ex: 1.575V=1.375V(Level 1)+100mV




    DRAM: CPU
    Combination as 1/1, 5/6, 2/3, 1/2




    Memory voltage has a big revolution
    It define to 2 level, switch by jumper
    When it work over 3.3V, the IC of motherboard won’t create much heat
    Section 1 is 2.6 ~ 3.2V
    Section 2 is 3.3 ~ 4.1V
    After DFI, this becomes the 2nd motherboard of memory voltage over 3.5V
    And this is the 1st motherboard which reach 4.1V high memory voltage







    Another important point
    The options of DRAM BIOS was improved a lot and release a lot of catalogue



    Under the options of DRAM BIOS




    the options of north/south bridge and HyperTransport are quite good in detail



    Compare with Neo4, the BIOS options of this board definitely improve a lot.
    Next is about the ability of over clock.
    On CPU side, the ability of over clock is almost the same if the manufactures which have good over clock ability above average.


    Test Platform
    AMD 939 Athlon 64 3000+
    MSI K8N Diamond Plus
    G.Skill 1GBFF/1GBGH/2GBHZ
    SPARKLE 6200
    MAXTOR 30GB 5400rpm
    EnLight 420W


    First is 1GBFF Samsung TCCD series



    295MHz DDR590 1.5-4-3-7 1T, PI 32M 2.80V achieved



    Next is 1GBGH Winbond UTT series



    DDR510 2-2-2-5 1T, PI 32M 3.3V achieved



    At last, 2GBHZ Samsung UCCC series



    DDR550 3-4-4-8 1T, PI 32M 2.6V achieved



    ps.
    The test of over clock is concerned in 3 phase, CPU, MB, and DRAM
    For example,
    If over clock to 300MHz FSB and 2T, CPU/Motherboard are fine, but DRAM is not, then it’s better to speed down the DRAM
    If the CPU/DRAM can up to 300MHz frequency, DDR600 is stable but the MB is not, then it better to speed down the FSB
    If the MB/DRAM can up to 300MHz FSB, but the CPU is not, then it better to turn down the multiplier or frequency
    Because the standard spec of CPU/MB is 200MHz, the good over clock ability of CPU/MB is the key point of total over clock, on the other side, if the DRAM cannot reach the high frequency, there is still a way which is frequency divider.



    Let us make a conclusion of this Diamond Plus


    Good:
    1. Use the 16X+16X chipset (although the performance up is not stand out enough)
    2. DRAM Voltage from 2.85V to 4.1V (don’t tell me it cannot reach without Winbond DDR, I think it’s good to consumer that the function is provided)
    3. the BIOS menu advanced, very close to DFI’s BIOS
    4. the usage of heat pipe between northbridge and southbridge, it’s quiet and qualified with small fan
    5. the overclock ability of CPU/DRAM is quite good, if the DFI get 100 scores, then MSI get 90
    6. Integrated Sound Blaster Audigy SE, the highest spec so far.
    7. the additional SATA2 chip uses Sil3132
    8. this board seems solve the problem of voltage swing, It’s stable that the voltage move between 0.01~0.02V
    9. addition PCI-E as Neo4 before, although cannot run 3VGA SLI, but provide additional fun


    Bad
    1. the airflow of northbridge is face to VGA, I think it should be change the direction, although the small fan is windless and do not has the big influence to VGA
    2. Clear CMOS button is integrated, better if provide Power/Reset button
    3. It’s better to use the heat sink on MOS section, the temperature is 40~50 degree by hand touch, not quite high

    I give a highly recommend on spec/overclock/performance/layout of this board
    It’s a balanced all new brand SLI motherboard
    Of course there is no perfec motherboard, if the overclock is your first concern, DFI is still the better choice; if you want a better MOS components and fast release, ASUS A8N32-SLI also in concern


    answering the question before
    the gap between 7800GT and northbridge heat sink



    I get the A8N32-SLI




    after doing a rough test, I found that the overclock ability of ASUS is weaker in faith
    I’ll make a testing comparison in detail at free time, Wind’s hardware testing schedule at the end of this week is done…huhu…




    12/11




    Last edited by windwithme; 12-10-2005 at 08:19 AM.

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    looks like on hell of a board.

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    Nice board, I might consider getting it.

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    One question: WHEN?

    BTW - very nice one

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    Looks alot like the asus a8n-sli premium. (same northbridge cooling system)

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    Wow nice motherboard, especially the Sil3132 Controller, finally off the PCI bus! and a nice gap between the x16 slots, enough room to run dual-slot cooling and maybe a SB X-Fi in the bottom PCI

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    looking good !!!
    Whts the max Vdimm WWM ??? How about some bios screenies with the memory tweaking tools shown .

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    Looks great board.

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    WOW, memory voltage up to 4.1V
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    Looks like it is kinda cramped by the cpu. Anyone wanna guess if a Big Typhoon would fit this board?

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    v.nice! i might consider that to replace my Ultra-D, which is getting a bit dated imo...

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    I will tell you right now: the 120, 90, 90c and the Zalmann 9500 will fit but I KNOW that the 7700 would be to big
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    I like the PCI layout, too bad the A8N32 wasn't layed out that way... though if you need to use PCIE 4x, the A8N32 is still better for PCI layout... hmmm. Wonder how they will compare.
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    Looks like the BT would fit, but it would be a close one.

    WWM, Did you have any issues with the 2nd card hitting the southbridge cooling?
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    As always, great info windwithme!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WesM63
    Looks like the BT would fit, but it would be a close one.

    WWM, Did you have any issues with the 2nd card hitting the southbridge cooling?
    If you look carefully you will notice that the SouthBridge is no highier than the PCI-E x16 slot.. So I doubt it
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    Good...an alternative to Xpert and RDX200 ..it use jumper for vdimm, but better sinked those mosfets....



    WWM, hows the vcore in bios?
    Last edited by Dumo; 12-01-2005 at 09:33 AM.

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    looks good .. when are these gonna be avaible ?? i loved my old msi k8n neo2 plat
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    mobo looks great

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    And just as I ordered an A8N32-SLI too...

    Sweet lookin board there
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    I would like to see a heads up comparison wiyh the Asus x32 board!
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    I think I will be getting this board for sure. I "upgraded" to the asus a8n32-sli x16 and I hate it. It overclocks cpu and mem worse than my msi neo sli plat. It's a pain in the arse to work with. The bios sucks. All the adjustments are all over the place.
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    BIOS screenie please!! looks nice....I'll get one to play with as soon as it's available
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