AMD Mantle update...

[Iconyu]

Wtf, nobody was talking about crossfire. You cant just quote someone talking about oranges and start talking about shovels ffs.

You quoted two sentences, "frame pacing" is the issue he stated which is mostly a crossfire/sli issue. This is what the English speaking world calls 'context'.

[Mechanical Man]

You quoted two sentences, "frame pacing" is the issue he stated which is mostly a crossfire/sli issue. This is what the English speaking world calls 'context'.

Yeah pls u do. READ WHAT HE QUOTED, HE QUOTED ME IN THE FIRST PLACE! So u do learn what CONTEXT means. Also, not answering on behalf of others is good too.. it dont make u look so stupid many times.

[Iconyu]

I find it odd, that nobody is speaking about minimum fps at all. I expect Mantle to up minimum fps on high end machines, even tought maximum to be about the same. Basically, what i expect is. Mantle will enable more games to be playable with AMD APU's and games have more smoother fps profile for high end cpus & cards (less drops and better minimum fps). I dont see anyone losing there. I do hope nVidia dont be too arrogant and atleast really tries to negotiate with AMD to enable Mantle on nVidia GPU's too. That would benefit us all.

I actually want to know if AMD's frame pacing can be easily carried over into Mantle apps. If that doesn't happen, minimum FPS or not, the experience will be a disaster at higher framerates.

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Based on what?

Yeah pls u do. READ WHAT HE QUOTED, HE QUOTED ME IN THE FIRST PLACE! So u do learn what CONTEXT means. Also, not answering on behalf of others is good too.. it dont make u look so stupid many times.

I thought the chain of conversation was pretty easy to follow, you said improved low frame rates on "high end machines" could make it smoother, he said at high frame rates without frame pacing that smoothness could disappear. Then you asked him why, and because he wasn't online and I made the mistake of thinking you actually wanted the answer I told you...

However you seem upset, I'll let you calm down.

[Mechanical Man]

I thought the chain of conversation was pretty easy to follow, you said improved low frame rates on "high end machines" could make it smoother, he said at high frame rates without frame pacing that smoothness could disappear. Then you asked him why, and because he wasn't online and I made the mistake of thinking you actually wanted the answer I told you...

However you seem upset, I'll let you calm down.

Well, u see. i was not speaking about crossfire. If SKYMTL mean crossfire, its his job to correct himself. High end is not crossfire. Its those 500?+ eur cards with 300?+ cpus. I was speaking about hoping mantle would do it better for those builds. That is why I asked where does SKYMTL base his opinion.

[kromosto]

i am not 100% sure but i don't think frame pacing is api specific.

[Iconyu]

Well, u see. i was not speaking about crossfire. If SKYMTL mean crossfire, its his job to correct himself. High end is not crossfire. Its those 500?+ eur cards with 300?+ cpus. I was speaking about hoping mantle would do it better for those builds. That is why I asked where does SKYMTL base his opinion.

Both statements have sound reasoning, frame pacing isn't a problem on single card systems his statement in no way contradicts your statement. From my point of view he was just extrapolating on your thoughts, he doesn't need correct himself because he isn't wrong, just like you're not wrong to consider a decent CPU and a high end GPU the basis for a high end gaming PC.

Where you are wrong is in stating that crossfire is somehow above high end, if someone has 30" display, then a single card isn't going to meet the performance needed for smooth gameplay. Saying multicard rendering isn't high end makes it sound like an extravagance but if the owner needs it and can afford it, it's just another requirement.

[STEvil]

actually a single 290/290x is fine for the most part at 2560x1600 (30"), given you can make a few compromises like bumping FSAA down a notch.

[Heinz68]

Since the fall, we?ve heard some eyebrow-raising claims about Mantle, AMD?s new API (application programming interface). The numbers being tossed around in terms of performance-gain seem almost hard to believe, with Battlefield 4 running up to 45% faster via Mantle over DirectX.

It seems too good to be true, so we talked with AMD?s Robert Hallock. He explained how AMD have been able to achieve these kind of results with their API, and why he thinks it has such a strong case for being adopted as a standard. If he?s right, Mantle could spell huge changes for how games are made, and what kind of performance PC gamers can expect from their own machines.

Read much more at PCGames

[[XC] Lead Head]

actually a single 290/290x is fine for the most part at 2560x1600 (30"), given you can make a few compromises like bumping FSAA down a notch.

I honestly find AA isn't even all that necessary at higher resolutions.

[Final8ty]

Doom 3 AstoundSound/TrueAudio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb57qpc0RD0

Freaky that voice
http://youtu.be/mb57qpc0RD0?t=4m18s

Alien Planet AstoundSound 3D demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVRUHFB0ATE

[dasa]

I honestly find AA isn't even all that necessary at higher resolutions.

some games seem to need it a lot more than others

for mantle to be getting such big gains it makes you think microsoft has lost all interest in optimizing dx these days and has been happy for the performance difference between pc and console to be smaller
i wonder what dx12 might bring will they try to improve it or does microsoft think they have the pc gaming market and dont even have to try anymore

[zalbard]

I honestly find AA isn't even all that necessary at higher resolutions.

Depends on distance from screen I guess.

I play at 2560x1600 and AA is a must for me. Perhaps something will change with 4K displays...

for mantle to be getting such big gains it makes you think microsoft has lost all interest in optimizing dx these days

DX hasn't really been updated for quite a while.

Besides, you have to remember that Mantle only shows large gains in CPU-limited scenarios...

[Heinz68]

Thief system specs reveal Mantle support and DirectX 11 lovelies
With Square Enix?s take on the Thief series just around the corner the publisher has released the game?s system specs. The bulk of it is your usual fare of graphics cards this and RAM that but where the list is a little surprising is the number of AMD specific technology the game supports and the hard drive space the game requires.

Just around the corner is February 25, read much more at PCGamesn plus all the sub-links

[MaddMuppet]

I've never played any of the Thief series. Are they any good.

[Iconyu]

Looks like we don't have to worry about High End PC's and Mantle:



Crossfire without a CPU bottleneck is pretty devastating.

We might even see that PCIe bottleneck we keep hearing about.

[Darakian]

A PCIe bottleneck would be a strange and wonderful thing to have.

[Craftyman.]

The big question is... What's in Johan's machine?

I am so pumped for this, it sounds pretty awesome.

[madcho]

The big question is... What's in Johan's machine?

I am so pumped for this, it sounds pretty awesome.

I think the most important is not the FPS but feeling. lag between mouse and eyes are very important.

[dasa]

Besides, you have to remember that Mantle only shows large gains in CPU-limited scenarios...

I wonder how close that will make the AMD A10-Series A10-7850K performance when using a gtx780ti vs 4570\4670k if overclocking

[blindbox]

Here it comes.................!

http://vr-zone.com/articles/mantle-p...yed/70627.html

Sorry guys, not this week. I know, I'm mad too. We still have the Starswarm demo slated for January. We don't know the status of that one yet, hopefully it comes with Catalyst 14.1. I'd guess the Mantle patch for BF4 would be in the first week of February. They just finished the patch last week maybe (presumed from the tweets), and now they're just watching it behave.

[LordEC911]

Here it comes.................!

http://vr-zone.com/articles/mantle-p...yed/70627.html

Sorry guys, not this week. I know, I'm mad too. We still have the Starswarm demo slated for January. We don't know the status of that one yet, hopefully it comes with Catalyst 14.1. I'd guess the Mantle patch for BF4 would be in the first week of February. They just finished the patch last week maybe (presumed from the tweets), and now they're just watching it behave.

Multiple *credible* sources are pointing to this week.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...postcount=3247

[Picao84]

Multiple *credible* sources are pointing to this week.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...postcount=3247

Well, Mantle driver is not the same thing as BF4 patch is it?

[LordEC911]

Well, Mantle driver is not the same thing as BF4 patch is it?

Not sure why it couldn't be bundled with the patch.

[MaddMuppet]

Multiple *credible* sources are pointing to this week.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...postcount=3247

Im really hoping so. Bring it on.

[Heinz68]

Multiple *credible* sources are pointing to this week.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...postcount=3247

Thanks!
Also confirmed from DICE, Johan Andersson on Twitter