The thing is, before I purchase a laptop, I check reviews before I buy. I don't trust manufacturers battery life. AMD reviews are hard to find on their new stuff. This is what makes it difficult to buy them, even if they did have good products. CPU wise I haven't see AMD evolve much in the mobile world. I see turion x2 processors, but the original turion lost to perfomance and battery life to the original pentium M. With core 2 duo, I can only see that gap getting bigger.
My 2 year old Turion NB still runs more than 3 hours while using autocad 2010 + browser (radio) on the internal battery...
The original Turion was a 90nm desktop CPU on socket 754 with DDR1 Ram and you conclude that current AMD mobile parts suck based on this model?
Turion X2 runs on a new socket with DDR2 and 65nm cpus and is almost on par with merom in terms of performance and on par in terms of power consumption so i expect that new DDR3 45nm K10.5 based models are just as fast as intel penryn systems and consume the same amount of power....
AMD has improved alot in the mobile sector and it's only a matter of weeks until we see more AMD based laptops which match their intel counterparts in reviews...
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I remember something about AMD proposing a standard that tries to address this problem, and I also remember almost violent opposition to it. It's pretty clear though that a standard with a more realistic method that encompases what people actually use their notebooks for, is needed.
Very true. Intel and nearly all of the OEMs literally said "GTFO" cause they hated that idea. Why? Their fantasy battery-life numbers would suddenly decrease and that doesn't look good on paper.
no really i have been trying to find reviews as well......why are there not any reviews?
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a little off topic, but walmart just had a hp notebook w/celeron for $299 and people were scrambling to get it. then i noticed best buy had a toshiba w/athlon(turion) ii for $349 and barely anyone noticed it or picked it up. it could be people preferring hp over toshiba but i doubt it.
anyway, back on top, i decided to do some diggin because i havent been up-to-date with the mobile sector. i couldnt find any reviews or anything on amd's new cpu or even platform. so im really interested in a comparsion between intels current mobile platform vs amd's. last one i read was on anandtech and it was with amd's old turion i. but i figured if its based on the current k10 then it should match intel's core offering since it seems to be the story on the desktop front.
so to the reviewers or people who have the parts, please do an intel vs amd platform comparison (budget/mainstream of course). im really curious to see how amd compares now.
btw id totally pay an extra 50 for an extra core and probably better cpu =)
i dont think that the cpu matters at all for most people who browse the internet or watch videos or word processing, ext, its all about having an IGP (or gpu) that can decode video, accelerate flash and render aero/UAC but the masses are programed that the cpu is god. this is why the turions are so great they have been better than the intel since the x2 (if u had the 3200 chipset, the NV 61xx or 71xx died and were useless) for the media capabilities. and with the turionII it now has better battery life, the same cpu performance and usable IGP
edit, comments do not refer to intel i7 laptops just he cintro/core2 that have igps and are marketed for general use in the same price range as the turionII with igp
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and with the turionII it now has better battery life, the same cpu performance and usable IGP
Actually the new Turion II X2 Ultras are based on 2nd gen. 10h(K10) cores and are good deal faster than even 1st gen 10h cores(~10% higher IPC on average),let alone Brisbane based Turion IIs... I'd say in SSE heavy stuff(128b SSE unit in Regors/TurionIIs Ultra Vs 64b in Brisbane) ,new mobile core is roughly 50-70% faster,while in integer workloads a good 25+% faster than Brisbane based TurionIIs. Not to forget the max clock for new mobile parts is quite highish 2.7Ghz within 35W TDP(not ACP),while "old" 65nm Brisbane based TurionIIs were at 2.4/2.5Ghz and 35W iirc. So you can see perf./watt jump was quite big with the new mobile parts.
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the i7 laptops arnt in the general use laptops they are in desktop replacement and gaming, i was talking about the cintro/core2 lines that have igps and marketed for general use.
the i7 laptops with a real gpu and all will smoke a turionII, turionII might win with no turbo though and should win in battery life but thats becouse the i7 have real gpus and are 1.6ghz but clock to 2.8 with 2 thread and 2.2 with quad thread (i think thats the quad clock but im not sure), they arnt the same class.
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hmm, oh don’t get me wrong i know of the tech behind it, and i know how good they are......it’s just that i would like a review (gives it a leg to stand on when comparing the c2d laptops).the masses can never buy a good product on their own, i have seen it time after time....it just fails. loll i was in a best buy the other day, and a sales guy was saying that a Intel Pentium-dual core was better than the turion based notebook, i made reference to the igp (which was 4200) and he told me that it would be the same on the Intel notebook (it had Intel igp). Loll...wow ....just wow!
Intel has had better battery life since centrino. That anandtech article just reaffirms that its has stuck till this day.
I think it would be pointless to also put an article from 2006, that comprares a turion to core 2 duo since its near impossible to find AMD reviews. Not to mention core 2 duo until phenom II came out, was pounding out anything AMD had so its pretty logical to think if AMD cant compete against intel in the desktop arena, how are they going to to it in the mobile arena.
Thats why I am asking for reviews, current ones to show this trend has changed? Because from what I have been looking at, AMD has been very stagnant in its mobiile sector and your likely to find a better intel laptop.
The lack of reviews and weakness in AMD mobile division, show's there simply not enough interest in AMD laptops. When its more difficult to find a turion x2 II ultra review, compared to an obscure laptop with an intel processor in it(Toshiba r600, Sony vaio TT), which are 2000 dollar laptops( so have a limited market), the vendor is either not selling enough of the laptops to send a review model or the performance is not good and would not be good advertising, or AMD marketing sucks. When you get worse performance(except application where Intel vs AMD integrated graphics apply) + worse battery life, its hard to make a case. Sure pricing is an issue, but 50-100 dollars is not enough to make the difference, when alot of people(non techies) would rather have intel.
that thing is really useless they use posted numbers from oems and dont do them themselves for some.
on topic i seen and used alot of notbooks and the intel with IGP cant play HD video properly, they take like 3 sec for UAC to pop up and they normally cant play a whole 2 hour dvd but the amd laptops can do all of that. if u just leave it on then the intel will do better but lets say that u were browsing the internet or watching video or flash then the amd would do better.
having a good IGP means that it makes up for the cpu and with the turionII they are supposed to get 30-40% lower cpu power draw
most people dont care about super pi or wprime or 3d mark they care about how fast it boots, how fast the internet loads and how long they can play on the battery (not how long they can run benches or encode on the battery)
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that thing is really useless they use posted numbers from oems and dont do them themselves for some.
on topic i seen and used alot of notbooks and the intel with IGP cant play HD video properly, they take like 3 sec for UAC to pop up and they normally cant play a whole 2 hour dvd but the amd laptops can do all of that. if u just leave it on then the intel will do better but lets say that u were browsing the internet or watching video or flash then the amd would do better.
having a good IGP means that it makes up for the cpu and with the turionII they are supposed to get 30-40% lower cpu power draw
most people don't care about super pi or wprime or 3d mark they care about how fast it boots, how fast the internet loads and how long they can play on the battery (not how long they can run benches or encode on the battery)
this is all very true, but i cant find any battery benches....so i posted performance ones....i might be able to do the benches my self (i work in retail ATM), and we have the floor models.....what software should i run?
i will do that....i just found this review....but it makes no sense? i mean i get better battery life with my turion x2 tl-58.....bout 3 years old? i think something is off on this review?
i will do that....i just found this review....but it makes no sense? i mean i get better battery life with my turion x2 tl-58.....bout 3 years old? i think something is off on this review?
Is that screen brightness on full and playing dvd? The battery west were with a dvd playing, sound playing and full screen brightness.
If you get 2 hours on a three year old battery with those settings, that would mean you were getting 6 hours of battery life with just wifi and surfing, and typing when you got it new which is hard to believe.
Dvd test typically cut battery life in half and 3 years degrades a laptop so it holds at best 66% percent of its capacity, likely half at this point.
like i said in my earlier post. i've got a brand new hp dv6-2020eg with turion 2 x2 m500 with caspian core and radeon 4650 sitting here i could test. it's no turion 2 ultra though.
some quick 3dmark05/06 runs: http://erazzed.er.funpic.de/files/in...hp_dv6-2020eg/
a lot of crap ran in the background though. i'll further look into the notebook next weekend. so if you guys have some suggestions what i should bench i'll do it right away (unless the respective benchmark does implicate a sh*tload of preparation ). so far i want to run:
- 3dmark03
- 3dmark05
- 3dmark06
- 3dmark vantage
- superpi (1m)
- wprime (32?)
- cinebench r10 (single/multi)
didn't test the battery life in detail, but with 50% brightness and slight webbrowsing over wlan the battery lasted over 2 hours. unfortunately, i don't have any comparable intel notebook around to test it against.
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Here's the problem though. I wonder if you could count the number of people on one hand that do any of those things on a regular enough basis to matter. How about you just run the thing like you normally would, then report how long the battery lasts and what you were doing between charges. That's about as realistic as it can get.
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my laptop given to me by my company has a 2.8ghz duel core intel chip, dedicated graphics (mid range, enough to enjoy CS:S in medium/high or WoW), and a 6 cell battery. if i plan to do anything besides browse the web or 2d apps (maybe a movie) its gotta be plugged in. on battery i get 5ish hours of lite work with wifi on. but who in their right mind would run tasks that kill a battery in 30 minutes.
this article compares the Ql-64 and t6500.
I imagine the new processors have better performance, but use the same power.
thus, they use more power than the mobile intel cpu's. especially the 25w intel cpu's
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