I think theres still going to be a HD5950, I mean what is that picture from HWC? Just a bunch of confusion with all the different ES's - the final HD5770 didn't end up looking like the pics from Chiphell. Someone said the HD5950 would be the name of the HD5870 Six, and coupled with the gpu-z shot of 2x1600 shaders @ 725/1000, it's now rumor city.
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Damn...Today is 11/06, but [his] bios date is 11/07........lol
If you look at the GPU-Z shot you mentioned you will see dev. id. 689C
There is some logic in the AMD/ATI device id naming. Normally the higer the last id digit the lower the core:
{ “ ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series ,RV770 XT , 9440”}
{ “ ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series ,RV770 PRO , 9442”}
{ “ ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series ,RV770 LE , 944C”}
So "ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series " = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_689D = HEMLOCK PRO?
689D could be hemlock pro, since it's looking like 689c is hemlock xt. BUT, who says that gpuz read that bios and correctly identified any of the following:
689C dev id, 1600sp shader count, 725/1000 core/mem clocks.
IMO 689C will come with a full-cover cooling shroud that looks like the 5870 & 5850, be hemlock XT, have 2gb total memory, core clock of somewhere between 850-950mhz, and memory of around 1200-1250. 689D dev id will be 5950, 1440sp shader x 2, have a duo-orb w/ partial shroud style cooling, be hemlock Pro, 2gb memory @ 725/1000.
IMO, 5870 Six will have a different dev id and a different product name.
People make the argument that they had to lower clocks of the memory and core to reduce the (completely rumored) 375w tdp to < 300w. But clockspeeds don't make anywhere near the impact on power draw that memory & core voltages do. Meh, no one is sure. I'm still hoping for 3 different parts, a 5970, 5950, and 5870six.
Assume there is only one X2, the 5970, and it's clocked at 725/1000. People will be OCing that sucker to 1050/1300 anyway.
edit: hey blob, where did you hear Nov. 9th as release date? Last i heard was Nov. 19th, but it was Oct. 23rd before that, so no telling.
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Damn...Today is 11/06, but [his] bios date is 11/07........lol
just because a load of rumours said the dual R870 card is the 5900 series doesn't make it so, like how loads of people believed the Earth was flat and it isn't so.
Nope, it is because better sources than this, i.e. I heard about Hemlock = 59x0 back on the 6th August, have already confirmed this naming scheme. I have much more faith in that source than some anymous source with no track record that I know of.
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689D could be hemlock pro, since it's looking like 689c is hemlock xt. BUT, who says that gpuz read that bios and correctly identified any of the following:
689C dev id, 1600sp shader count, 725/1000 core/mem clocks.
GPU-Z reads the device id correctly. Shadercount/ROP's are derived from a database. Core/mem freq i don't know
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IMO 689C will come with a full-cover cooling shroud that looks like the 5870 & 5850, be hemlock XT, have 2gb total memory, core clock of somewhere between 850-950mhz, and memory of around 1200-1250. 689D dev id will be 5950, 1440sp shader x 2, have a duo-orb w/ partial shroud style cooling, be hemlock Pro, 2gb memory @ 725/1000.
IMO, 5870 Six will have a different dev id and a different product name.
Like this?
The name for the 5870 six = HD5870 Eyefinity(6) Edition
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People make the argument that they had to lower clocks of the memory and core to reduce the (completely rumored) 375w tdp to < 300w. But clockspeeds don't make anywhere near the impact on power draw that memory & core voltages do. Meh, no one is sure. I'm still hoping for 3 different parts, a 5970, 5950, and 5870six.
The card used here has the initial cooler which was also seen on the first hemlock pictures on chiphell. I guess it's an early engineering sample so core and mem speeds are not final.
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edit: hey blob, where did you hear Nov. 9th as release date? Last i heard was Nov. 19th, but it was Oct. 23rd before that, so no telling.
just because a load of rumours said the dual R870 card is the 5900 series doesn't make it so, like how loads of people believed the Earth was flat and it isn't so.
my guess would be the 5900's are just 1GHz+ R870's and 2 or 4GB of 5 to 6 GHz memory and the six outputs, maybe with some awesome drivers to go with.
The pricing of the 5900 hundred series doesn't make sense and never will if they are single gpu. Basically hemlock is supposed to be priced at 500 or more. The 5870 eyefinity edition is supposed to be priced at $449 where does that place the 5900 series to be priced if they are single chip GPUs? Heck even the 5870 eyefinity pricing doesn't make sense when it is priced so closely to hemlock.
Additionally if the 5900 was just a higher clocked rv870, it would be somewhat guilty of the renaming tactic that NV does because its just an overclocked rv870 and thus does not deserve an entirely new name. 5890 is a fine name if AMD wants to release a higher clocked rv870. But even that would be somewhat unneeded as I can imagine with some more mature cores and a good cooler, I can imagine overclocked editions of the rv870 reaching 1000mhz.
5870 6 edition with 500$ price is not an acceptable deal.
I'm waiting for this one, if they include 2Go of GDDR5 and a custom cooler, i may buy one, but it's clearly not cheap. And the 5970 with 2 GPU will be only 50-100$ more. I don't care about 2 GPU, honestly i want only one. And the 6 edition is very sexy.
I'll buy one and wait for the 6 edition samsung screen systems 22" or 24". I'm sure i'm not alone here about that.
to up the price that much, i hope the 5870 "6" would have some higher binned chips and see a little higher clocks. adding just a few ports and 1GB more of ram does not seem to be worth a 25% price jump
With current pricing and the fact 5970 is a cutdown dual gpu solution as is, there is no room for a dual 5850. It would cannibalize the market. How can anyone think that they can sell a dual 5850 for the same price as 5870. IT JUST ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!!
Quite possibly there could be a dual 5770 gpu, and this is the only real option available. In fact I believe this is the best option. A 5770X2 for 230-250$ sounds really TASTY. Hell even a 5750X2 for 200$ sounds awesome.
GPU-Z reads the device id correctly. Shadercount/ROP's are derived from a database. Core/mem freq i don't know
Like this?
The name for the 5870 six = HD5870 Eyefinity(6) Edition
The card used here has the initial cooler which was also seen on the first hemlock pictures on chiphell. I guess it's an early engineering sample so core and mem speeds are not final.
Yah I agree, that image in your picture is a final 5970
the initial cooler in the abt, tipidpc, hwc, and chiphell photos is the ES design. By November 09 on tweakers i think CJ means November 2009 cause the other estimates say Q1 10 and Q2 10 where the '10' refers to the year. But hopefully it is November 9th!
Gpuz reads the clocks from the card, you know if you oc and reopen the util, it reads the new clocks accurately. You're right about reading shader count from a DB which means Wizzard has set 689C as Hemlock XT
Still no telling on exactly what the 5950 will be, and people seem to be divided over it. I agree the six miniDP 5870 will be called the eyefinity6 edition.
If there is no 5950, what do you think the Duo-orb card is in the HWC pics?
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Damn...Today is 11/06, but [his] bios date is 11/07........lol
I do believe there will be a 5950 but I don't see how it could be a hemlock part unless it is at 499 and the 5970 is at 549-599 as there is no room price wise on the current line up to have both a 5950/70 and keep the top model at $499. However I don't see AMD setting an MSRP higher than $499 USD for their top part in the current market. Sure they *could* do it as there is no competition but as far as would they is another story all together.
Yes I know we have the marketing slide showing hemlock as high end at < $499 but it still leaves us with the question of "What in the hell is the 5950?"
Now to me this would be feasible but I still don't see it happening so this is strictly for kicks. I believe it could be possible to have a 2880SP 5950 card at slightly lower clocks than the 3200SP 5970. Again though my mentioned pricing information would have to apply to fit it in. The line up (on a scale of price / performance ) would clearly be 5750 -> 5770 -> 5850 -> 5870 -> 5870 eyefinity ( assumed to be 2GB to accommodate the high resolutions ) -> 5950 -> 5970 ( I don't expect either to be 2x2048vram but 2x1024 just like the previous 4870x2 )
Now unless that duo orb type cooler was strictly an ES for 5970 ( which I don't know if that was the ES cooler you are meaning? ) there should still be the possibility of a 5950. However I don't agree that we need one. If AIBs want to do one, all the power to them but personally I don't see it happening again for market placement / price issues.
By November 09 on tweakers i think CJ means November 2009 cause the other estimates say Q1 10 and Q2 10 where the '10' refers to the year. But hopefully it is November 9th!
You're right, my mistake. It's november 2009, no specific date mentioned.
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If there is no 5950, what do you think the Duo-orb card is in the HWC pics?
I agree with HWC:
"We can be fairly cetain that this is not the ATI OEM spec, but rather a particular manufacturer’s unique cooling option"
Up to now the names HD5970 and HD5950 aren't mentioned bij AMD/ATI (please correct me if i'm wrong). AMD/ATI uses 5900 series.
We know there is a Hemlock XT
We know there are 2 device id's for the 5900 series.
I think it would make sense if the second 5900 would be a hemlock XT eyefinity (you will need all the graphic power you can get to drive 6 displays).
A comment made by CJ would/could point in that direction.
He made a comment about hemlock xt pricing:
Hemlock xt would be below 500$ because there was an other unannounced product in that price range
I think it would make sense if the second 5900 would be a hemlock XT eyefinity (you will need all the graphic power you can get to drive 6 displays).
A comment made by CJ would/could point in that direction.
Eyefinity six has only 1 gpu with 2GB video memory and six mini-DP, Hemlock has two GPU with dual DVI-D and 1 mini-DP for a total of 3 outputs. IMO the eyefinity6 is of a different series or a model all its own, and 689C and 689C are both 5900/Hemlock.
Eyefinity6:
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Damn...Today is 11/06, but [his] bios date is 11/07........lol
It has been stated all along that all Evergreen could run up to 6 displays, the only problem being number of ports on the cards.
I'm getting the feeling that we might not see the Hemlock XT surface first but the 5950 with dual 5850s and the 725/1000 clock that has been floating around. Why? Because ATI wants something to launch when Fermi is launching even though the 5950 should beat it also. It has also a lot of other pro's like giving time for the other cards to get a slight price drop before releasing 5970, more time to build up stock, more time for driver development and so on.
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