I don't know where they got it from, but in Donanimhaber it says that ForceWare 177.40 Beta has a "GT200-400" tag in it, along with GT200-100 (GTX 260) and GT200-300 (GTX 280).
This is probably the 55nm GT200. I think it shouldn't be too far away now since NVidia has already began producing in 55nm (9800GTX+)
i think its more likely that it is a 290gtx aka 280gtx ultra.
Since most 280gtx can clock 700mhz+ without any problem.
If it is a 55nm, it is a long way off since that won't be around for months yet.
One can only hope. nVidia seriously needs to drop prices at the top end.
Hmm.. no more than 4 months from now, since Nvidia has no other choice as ATI is winning this round.
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yepp, sounds like an ultra... but damn, that thing will be HOTTTTT
If it's indeed an ultra model of GTX 280 its rated TDP will be fun to look at. Plus its price.
And I don't think we're 4 months away from an 55nm GT200. I think it could be as early as in two months, some time after 4870x2's launch, but not much after.
4 months would be Oct/Nov. I think that'd be on the early side of a die shrink.
Nvidia has yield problems on the current version. A die shrink isn't going to be a simple process as they're going to have to sort out the "problems" from the simply failed sample productions. That takes time, and while you're right, AMD will eat them alive during that "time" used, they really can't help themselves at this point.
The 260/280 might be less than they should be but it's going to be all you'll see probably for most if not all of the year.
I think the yield problems of GT200 chips should mostly be due to its massive size, not the problems with the chip itself.
And if you're right and we don't see an 55nm GT200 until near the end of the year, NVidia is really doomed for the time inbetween. I don't see them lowering GT200 prices even more. GTX 260 was already dropped from $500 to $400 anyway, and another $100 drop to make it actually competitive with 4870 is unlikely. And GTX 280 definitely needs to be dropped to around at most $450 if 4870x2 is to be released at $500. ATM NVidia can only compete at the $100-$160 price point.
ATI will sell billions of 4800's by that time; and by next year's January they will have announced the RV800's.
Yields are bad enough to where they might as well try. TSMC has perfected their 55nm process with AMD...
Bad yields = high price
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Oh they'll try, that's for certain. They aren't entirely stupid. But it won't be a fast transition is all. And yes AMD will take every advantage, but AMD has needed a comeback chip for a while now no? It keeps things balanced for us.
And Crossfire on Intel chipsets, does it get any better?
I have a feeling that nvidia has been working on their 55nm 280's for quite a while now. They already have 55mn G92 based chips so I don't think the 280 is far behind. How far is anyones guess.
question for you graphics cards reviewers in here..... do you think the GTX290 or GTX280 ULTRA, whatever they decide to call it, will be able to scale any more than the speeds given out of the box ?
Also if the design will not be 55nm based then do you think there would be some improvements in core voltage, memory voltage & timing and lastly the shader controls ?
Oh and your thoughts on pricing
P.s. Ive been busy lately and did not get a chance to fire up my 2 x 9800GX2 PNY cards from almost 2 months back now.... and now there is supposed to be a successor to the GTX 280 lol.... I think I might just sell my 2 PNY cards since they are brand new and still sealed in the packaging boxes.
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the gtx280 is about the same as the 2900xt i think, and thats around 160W, right? i wonder if the ultra might be the first to break the 200W barrier... and then larrabee will break the 250W barrier... insane... just when cpus start to reach reasonable TDPs gpus double the TDP of the top end cpus
hard to tell, i bet even nvidia doesnt know... even if they can make some cards, it doesnt mean they can actually make enough to make money with them. same as with the current gpus, they can make them, a few per month, sure... but do they actually make money selling gtx cards? i dont think so...
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I believe the GTX280 is rated max 235 watts. Of course with any card you will rarely see the absolute max. Although maxing out the GPU is a good thing, it means you're utilizing it as much as possible.
my brain blanked out the second option, must be some protection mechanism kicking insame here
I think NVIDIA will pass 55nm and go with 45nm or even 40nm coz they have to think for the future RV800 or somethink like that.
We all know they dont like to fall behind, i hope they go with gddr5.
what is this all about gddr5?
nvidia really needs gddr5? i dont think so.
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i just checked and unfortunately xbitlabs isnt measuring the vga consumption anymore
they had really professional results modding the pciE slot on one board to meassure all the power that flows to the card... really a shame...
according to techpowerup the gtx 280 is 293W under load, well, system consumption, compared to 305W for a gx2.
the last vga power numbers from xbitlabs meassured the gx2 at 180W under load.
so the gtx280 consumes around 10W less than the gx2 which means 170W
tpu also reviewed the gtx280 amp edition from zotac, which is clocked at 700/1150 compared to 600/1100 of a normal gtx280 card.
it consumes 318W under load, which is almost 15W more than the gx2, which is at 180W according to xbitlabs.
sooooo the final conclusion, the oced gtx280 cards are already scratching on the 200W barrier!
im really curious if nvidia will really go for an ultra card... tdp wise it would make more sense to go for a dual card with lower clocked gpus...
Source? Or are you just talking out of your arse?
You're right. Nvidia is a charitable institution. They spent all that money on R&D in order to save the world. They don't want anything in return. Oh by the way, what is your source for Nvidia's manufacturing costs? And AMDs? I would be very interested to read exactly how much everything costs them. I think what is clear is that AMD is taking a HUGE loss on every 4000 series card that uses GDDR5. Remember how much DDR3 cost when it was first released? Just try to imagine how much DDR5 would cost you if it were released this week. A gig of that stuff might cost more than all the rest of their manufacturing combined. Even more than labor. GDDR5 just ramped up and trust me, it probably costs about what a chip of solid gold what cost of the same size. I would say AMD is taking about a $3299 loss on every card due to the expensive GDDR5. I guess they are just desperate to get that precious market share. At least AMD is used to working on negative margins. Maybe they can keep it up forever.
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GTX 280 TDP is 236Watts but this seems to be inflated, as many reviews show a lot less.i just checked and unfortunately xbitlabs isnt measuring the vga consumption anymore
they had really professional results modding the pciE slot on one board to meassure all the power that flows to the card... really a shame...
according to techpowerup the gtx 280 is 293W under load, well, system consumption, compared to 305W for a gx2.
the last vga power numbers from xbitlabs meassured the gx2 at 180W under load.
so the gtx280 consumes around 10W less than the gx2 which means 170W
tpu also reviewed the gtx280 amp edition from zotac, which is clocked at 700/1150 compared to 600/1100 of a normal gtx280 card.
it consumes 318W under load, which is almost 15W more than the gx2, which is at 180W according to xbitlabs.
sooooo the final conclusion, the oced gtx280 cards are already scratching on the 200W barrier!
im really curious if nvidia will really go for an ultra card... tdp wise it would make more sense to go for a dual card with lower clocked gpus...
Source? Or are you just talking out of your arse?I think what is clear is that AMD is taking a HUGE loss on every 4000 series card that uses GDDR5.
maybe you should stick to your own advice?
I don't think that is correct. 4870 is 160 watts, ~900 million transistors, 55nm. 280 is 1.4 billion transistors, 65nm. Seems very unlikely to me that they could match the load power draw of the 4870.
The only source I could find is Fudzilla which lists the 280 @ 236 watts, but not the best source around.
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