Official Phenom Reviews Thread

[JumpingJack]

Another trip down memory lane:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03...ona/page1.html

“Barcelona is as much of event in the x86 world as Opteron was when we launched it,” Rivas said.

“If I could do something different, I wish we would have immediately done a MCM - two dual cores and call it a quad-core,” said Mario Rivas, an EVP at AMD, during a recent interview in Austin, “because, I guess, the market sucks it up.”

Sources tell us that the chip is cranking through software at an unreal clip in the labs, beating out AMD’s oft-cited 40 per cent performance gain figure.

Rivas said the mid-year plan holds, and we’re looking for Barcelona to ship in July.

“We will have plenty of silicon” Rivas said. “We will make certain that everyone gets their fair share of the pie.”

[Donnie27]

lol since when is it forbidden to make more posts?

also if your insist on that, how about check on nn_step?

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 17,066

Beat me to that one! And no matter where or what he's said, it's pro AMD and after the ATI buy-out, pro ATI. Phenom is a miss, not a hit in most folks' opinions plus the numbers speak for themselves.

[Donnie27]

While this is true, emperical data suggests that the CPU will be the limiter overall ... at 2.4 GHz and 125 W thermal envelop, and 200 MHz more raises that to 140 W... 3.0 GHz will be difficult to achieve I suspect.

That's been pointed out to that same poster before

[Donnie27]

Yes it matters a lot since the NB could be run at below 2.2Ghz clocks and thus people will avoid the "wall" that comes while OCing regular Phenoms(NB seems to have some kind of a freq. wall around 2.25GHz for most parts).
So OCing using multi instead of HTT will give better results.

If it can be overclocked, it will be binned as a higher priced model in the first place. Now you might be able to overclock one or two of the cores higher. You're only fooling yourself if you there will be a lot of headroom otherwise.

[JumpingJack]

That's been pointed out to that same poster before

Well, maybe repetitiveness will cause it to sink in

[Donnie27]

It would matter once it can get over 3.0ghz...

Then be what, 145 to 150 watts ? Can you say Phenomenally HOT LOL!

[Donnie27]

Well, maybe repetitiveness will cause it to sink in

I don't think so.

[JumpingJack]

Then be what, 145 to 150 watts ? Can you say Phenomenally HOT LOL!

I don't think it is practical for AMD or Intel to release a processor under warrantee/spec that must dissipate 150 W to function, most of the even best cooling solutions (air not water) can do maybe 170 W under ambient conditions.

[Zytek_Fan]

Then be what, 145 to 150 watts ? Can you say Phenomenally HOT LOL!

The Phenom BBQ

[madcho]

6000+ can do 3.6ghz and it's the same wattage.

3Ghz will be easy with the B3 i think

[Brother Esau]

I don't know guys my gut instinct says that this will turn around in a fairly short time.
The candle is definitely burning under their ass now that they are in the spotlight and people especially stock holders aren't gonna stick around for too much longer if they don't act and act fast!

[savantu]

Then be what, 145 to 150 watts ? Can you say Phenomenally HOT LOL!

Make that 180-200w for 3GHz.
Power increase linearly with frequency and with the square of voltage.
If running at 2.6Ghz requires 140w , you'd need 161w to make for the frequency increase only.

[nn_step]

lol since when is it forbidden to make more posts?

also if your insist on that, how about check on nn_step?

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 17,066

speak of the devil and he shalt appear

Beat me to that one! And no matter where or what he's said, it's pro AMD and after the ATI buy-out, pro ATI. Phenom is a miss, not a hit in most folks' opinions plus the numbers speak for themselves.

actually I prefer what performs best in my specialized field

[Brother Esau]

You're pretty much a AMD guy for the most part right nn? I know you fancy AMD thats for sure......P.S.....whats new with you and how was you're Thanksgiving?

[mAJORD]

Holy crap... I entered the thread to read up on the reviews and user experiences but instead I got caught in an adult kindergarten thread..

You expected anything better around here in trolltown?

[NightCrawler™]

I did actually... guess I was wrong..

[Jupiler]

XS was never better descirbed.

If you don't like it here, why bother coming here in the first place?


As for the others :
Stop the thread crapping and name calling and stick to the facts.
We don't want another AMD vs Intel war going on here again.
You guys know how topics like those end, so keep it clean.
Thx.

[informal]

Well, maybe repetitiveness will cause it to sink in

You are aware of 6400+?You are aware of it's TDP?And you are aware of OCs achieved with it?
Right.Sinked in badly.

[Epsilon84]

You are aware of 6400+?You are aware of it's TDP?And you are aware of OCs achieved with it?
Right.Sinked in badly.

The X2 6400+ doesn't have much headroom on air - unless you consider a 10% overclock a glowing example of 'high TDP overclocking'...

[Donnie27]

I don't think it is practical for AMD or Intel to release a processor under warrantee/spec that must dissipate 150 W to function, most of the even best cooling solutions (air not water) can do maybe 170 W under ambient conditions.

No, No, I mean a regular 94 or 9500 being overclocked, not their retail stock temp being that high. No matter what speed, you're right they'd never do that. That's one of the things that killed Tejas, remember? All I'm saying is that AMD will bin these suckers for every once of speed to get better returns, sort of like my 3500+ has about 90MHz of Headroom LOL! Why would I want something that will generate a 150W of heat (after being overclocked) to still end up being slower, be more power hungry and more expensive? Doesn't matter who made it, that's a bad deal IMHO! Please note, I skipped Prescott for that same reason.

[KTE]

AMD's very good with tweaking and speed binning a high TDP chip. Look at when 90nm matured, people were wailing 2.8GHz tops until later they released 3GHz and then a little later you see 3.2GHz which does 3.5GHz (seen with 5000+ BE as well). They do scale with those speeds as well.

This is why AMD's buying time with K10h. No one, and no one, wants to release above 130W TDP, they try their best not to even get close to that. Industry hates the sound of that, to them it means power/heat "problems" and reminds them of Prescott completely. Even Tejas did hit 5.3GHz in Israeli labs but power/heat:performance ratio was just too ineffective to be retailable.

Just keep in mind that TDP is what the thermal solution must be able to disspiate to stay below the Tjunction of a chip and ensure no damage. It is one part of the power consumed which is wasted as heat and the other part is what the IC's use up efficiently for their work. The CoolIt Freezone could only handle 175W maximum and did only around 3.3GHz with B3 QX6700 (~55C stability testing), so these chips with high TDP's are worthless for me on air to keep stable. Like I said elsewhere, max screnshots and benches, even I can run my E6750 at 1.35V for 3.76GHz, but stable inside a case 20C ambient? I don't think so, not even for 10 seconds under Prime95 torture. In fact it needs 1.454V BIOS and much more VMCH and VFSB to be stable, which is far hotter and more power demanding, open air, let alone summer and inside a case with 30C ambient. I would never buy a CPU that costs me more to cool than to buy another and have its equal or better performance.

And yeah, for those waiting to see power and temps of Phenom, I can show you that pretty damn soon, stock and overclocked.

[Donnie27]

6000+ can do 3.6ghz and it's the same wattage.

3Ghz will be easy with the B3 i think

Dewd, that's half the cores you're talking about. Now what if you had two 6000+'s at 3.6GHz within the same Die, get it? Trying to compare Dual to Quad isn't even close.

Make that 180-200w for 3GHz.
Power increase linearly with frequency and with the square of voltage.
If running at 2.6Ghz requires 140w , you'd need 161w to make for the frequency increase only.

Yes I know, but please note I was trying to be generous here LOL!

actually I prefer what performs best in my specialized field

Sure and that's always AMD and there's the problem.

The review of the Phenom confirmed what a lot of folks already guesstimated. Yet, instead of patting savantu, shintai, coldpower27, red, jumpingjack and others on the back for being right, folks get flamed. If no one else said it, I'll say to you guys, THANK YOU! Please keep up the good work! I thought Phenom would make a better showing than it did. You guys should be acknowledged for getting it right, not flamed and called Trolls LOL!

Now, calling someone a Troll for constantly correcting constantly wrong info (as shintai does) is just wrong=P In fact, trying to support false or misleading info is a sure sign of a Troll.

[savantu]

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Make that 180-200w for 3GHz.
Power increase linearly with frequency and with the square of voltage.
If running at 2.6Ghz requires 140w , you'd need 161w to make for the frequency increase only.

Yes I know, but please note I was trying to be generous here LOL!
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I don't post very often , but you were replying to me, not Shintai.

[BrowncoatGR]

Just keep in mind that TDP is what the thermal solution must be able to disspiate to stay below the Tjunction of a chip and ensure no damage. It is one part of the power consumed which is wasted as heat and the other part is what the IC's use up efficiently for their work.

I mostly agree with your post just wanted to point out that all power in a chip gets converted to heat. The question is how much of that power/heat is used for calculations.

[Donnie27]

I don't post very often , but you were replying to me , not Shintai.

Please note that I added your name to that list I quoted and replied to several folks instead of making four posts.