I S*ck At Overclocking! Whats Going On!

[slim142]

Im about to throw the towel and leave this at 333mhz (which I hate because I want 400mhz so bad)
I have an E6600 with an Striker extreme and Corsair TWIN2X1024C4 DDR800 and a evga geforce 7900gs ko.

Current system configuration

SUMMARY
START
CPU= 2.4ghz - 1066fsb - c2d6600
RAM= 800mhz 4-4-4-12-1t - manual timing and voltage - TWIN2X1024-6400C4 2x512mB
FSB-Memory Clock Mode= manual
SLI-Ready Memory= disabled

END
CPU= 3.6ghz - 1600 fsb - 1.5xv
RAM= 800mhz 4-4-4-12-2t - manual timings
FSB-Memory Clock Mode: manual
SLI-Ready Memory: disabled

DETAILS
BIOS= 0402
Board Revision= 1.00G
AI Tuning: Manual
SLI Broadcast Aperture: disabled
Nvidia GPU Ex: Disabled
LinkBoost: disabled
HDD Smart Monitoring: disabled
SLI-Ready Memory: disabled

FSB - Memory Clock Mode: unlinked
FSB - Memory Ratio: manual
FSB (QDR), Mhz: 1600
Actual FSB (QDR), Mhz: 1600
MEM (DDR), Mhz: 800
Actual MEM (DDR), Mhz: 800
CPU Multiplier: 9

Vcore Voltage: manual - 1.63125v (not a typo) (varies around 1.52v-1.54v in PC Probe II)
Memory Voltage: 2.1v (2.14 in PC Probe II)
1.2v HT Voltage: 1.50 (1.55v in PC Probe II)
NB Core Voltage: 1.50 (1.52v in PC Probe II)
SB Core Voltage: 1.50 (1.52v in PC Probe II)
CPU VTT Voltage: 1.45 (1.50v in PC Probe II)
DDRII Controller Ref Voltage: auto
DDRII Channel A Ref Voltage: auto
DDRII Channel B Ref Voltage: auto

tCL : 4 (manual)
tRCD: 4 (manual)
tRP : 4 (manual)
tRAS: 12 (manual)
CMD: 2t (manual)

Advance Memory Settings
tRRD: AUTO
tRC: 22
tWR: AUTO
tWTR: AUTO
tREF: AUTO
Async Latency: AUTO

All Spectrums Disabled

CPU Internal Thermal Control: Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal: Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E): Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Virtualization Technology: disabled
Enhanced Intel Speedstep Tech: Disabled
LDT Frequency: 5x

PCIEX16_1 Frequency (Mhz): 100
PCIEX16_2 Frequency (Mhz): 100
PCIEX16_3 Frequency (Mhz): 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, Mhz: Auto

Not Stable no matter what! orthos will fail! dont know what to do! Im about to throw the towel! Whats going on! Why cannot I get 400mhz FSB! My E6600 is L628A if it is needed.

[Kobalt]

Try fixing your vdroop first...3.6ghz is pretty high anyways.

[sniggle]

I'm glad you censored "suck". I would've been deeply offended.

[qgshadow]

1.5v on e6600 24/7 is pretty high and anyways its not because orthos fail in 2minutes that its not stable. you can fail orthos and still have a stable system, unless you always do 50things at the same time : ripping,gaming,burning,downloading...

[IFMU]

Dont feel to bad, I suck at overclocking! lol
I'm sure someone around here will be able to help you figure out whats up.

unless you always do 50things at the same time : ripping,gaming,burning,downloading...

Wait? You mean not everyone does that? LoL

guess thats why the main thing I check out when I build a PC is it must be an awesome multi-tasking!

[ineedaname]

Well it looks to me like your voltages are very high. Like i've said many times before. Most E6600's I've seen only need about 1.43v to get 3.6ghz.

Also Knowing your load and ambient temps would be helpful. Use Coretemp or the newest speedfan. Maybe even give an SS of your probe.

You might also want to try to lower your NB voltage to 1.40-1.45. This is because the trick to these boards is having a COOL NB.

[Solarfall]

first of all what kind of cooling do you use and what are your temps?
secondly i'm not sure are you aware that nvidia 680i sli has been known to have holes in the frontside bus.
so higher fsb with multi 8 might give some positive results. it did in my case
or you could even try with multi 9 and see if that does anything for you.

[slim142]

Ok, ambient and room temps I dont really know.

Updated to BIOS 1004, 0402 has a huge vdroop.

Im using a Zalman 9700CNPS and my case is a Thermaltake Tsunami with a 120mmfan in the back so it really helps the zalman.

Tired of freaking failing the test I decided to change some stuff, changed multiplier to 8x, im able to boot at 450mhz now. Memory is at 900mhz stable with memtest passed. vcore raised a lot.

here it is

CPU= 3.6ghz - 1800 fsb - 1.55v
RAM= 900mhz 4-4-4-12-2t - manual timings
FSB-Memory Clock Mode: manual

DETAILS
BIOS= 1004
AI Tuning: Manual
SLI Broadcast Aperture: disabled
Nvidia GPU Ex: Disabled
LinkBoost: disabled
HDD Smart Monitoring: disabled

FSB - Memory Clock Mode: unlinked
FSB - Memory Ratio: manual
FSB (QDR), Mhz: 1800
Actual FSB (QDR), Mhz: 1800
MEM (DDR), Mhz: 900
Actual MEM (DDR), Mhz: 900
CPU Multiplier: 8

Vcore Voltage: manual - 1.63125v (not a typo) (1.58v in PC Probe II)
Memory Voltage: 2.2v (2.24 in PC Probe II)
1.2v HT Voltage: 1.55 (1.62v in PC Probe II)
NB Core Voltage: 1.50 (1.52v in PC Probe II)
SB Core Voltage: 1.50 (1.52v in PC Probe II)
CPU VTT Voltage: 1.55 (1.62v in PC Probe II)
DDRII Controller Ref Voltage: auto
DDRII Channel A Ref Voltage: auto
DDRII Channel B Ref Voltage: auto

tCL : 4 (manual)
tRCD: 4 (manual)
tRP : 4 (manual)
tRAS: 12 (manual)
CMD: 2t (manual)

Advance Memory Settings

All Auto except for TrC at 22

All spectrums Disabled

CPU Internal Thermal Control: Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal: Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E): Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Virtualization Technology: disabled
Enhanced Intel Speedstep Tech: Disabled
LDT Frequency: 5x

PCIEX16_1 Frequency (Mhz): 100
PCIEX16_2 Frequency (Mhz): 100
PCIEX16_3 Frequency (Mhz): 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, Mhz: Auto

So far I can boot and use every-day applications. I can even boot at 1.55v but I thought adding more vcore would make me pass the test and unforunately it didnt. Im happy that I am able to boot at 450mhz 1:1. Unfortunately, Orthos will fail Blend test after 3 mins.
But I have to add something really really really important

My vCore is in 1.63125 in BIOS (1.58 in probe II) and my temps with a zalman 9700CNPS are around 39c in idle and 51 in load (while running orthos) :S

Isnt this weird? CoreTemp shows tjunction 81c, is that bad? If I put less than 1.55vcore my system wont boot. it also shows core#0 51c and core 1#50c and samething for Speedfan. While Im running orthos, speedfan goes up to 56c but varies around 52c and 56c

What can be happening? why are temps so weird? shouldnt they be at like 60c!?
Also, why is my OC so inestable? I can use the pc and everything but it wont run Orthos for more than 3 mins.

***WILL BRING A SS AS SOON AS I GET HOME***

PD: I just want to be able to have an stable system at either 400x9 or 450x8 with a low vcore. I think +1.45 is crazy. I dont care if my system cant go higehr than 475mhz or over 500mhz.

[Solarfall]

ok your temps for cpu are fine, core temp is the most accurate temp program far as i know. i have noticed that in some cases it might help if you raise pci-express Frequency to 103- 109 it might solve the stability issue.
allso it might help your systems stability if you set the SB,NB and HT voltage options to auto.

[Kobalt]

Get a multimeter and fix vdroop...it'll take like an hour.

[slim142]

Solarfall, I just turned my PC on and the temps of my CPU are in 38c in Probe II! What do I have? A Power-hungry but always-cool CPU?

After running orthos and failer in like 5 seconds, the temp of my CPU in Probe II is 43c and CoreTemp shows 55c :S, stills good but I think now its showing some hot temps. Gonna try to lower vcore.

Gonna do some more testing like reducint 1.2VHT and NB voltage to see if this improves even a little bit.

BTW, yes Kobalt, I will as soon as I get the multimeter.

[Solarfall]

Solarfall, I just turned my PC on and the temps of my CPU are in 38c! What do I have? A Power-hungry but always-cool CPU?

Gonna do some more testing like reducint 1.2VHT and NB voltage to see if this improves even a little bit.

BTW, yes Kobalt, I will as soon as I get the multimeter.

i'm gessing that 38c is idle temp. but yes that sure does seem like a very odd temp reading you have there. truelly wierd my chip goes as high as 70c(100% load) with 1.5ish and that is with watercooling.

btw what psu do you have?

[slim142]

Yes, it is idle temp. When I ran orthos it went up to 53c (Probe II) I think and CoreTemp showed 55c

I have an Ultra X-Finity 600 Watts 2G w/ AfterSpin Tech

BTW, Im back to 9x multiplier, I want 3.6Ghz so I thought "what if the board cannot handle 450mhz?" maybe is too much for it. So I came back to 400mhz x9 and here is my current configuration while I write this.

CPU= 3.6ghz - 1600 fsb - 1.57v
RAM= 800mhz 4-4-4-12-2t - manual timings
FSB-Memory Clock Mode: manual

FSB - Memory Clock Mode: linked
FSB - Memory Ratio: Syncronized
FSB (QDR), Mhz: 1600
Actual FSB (QDR), Mhz: 1600
MEM (DDR), Mhz: 800
Actual MEM (DDR), Mhz: 800
CPU Multiplier: 9

Vcore Voltage: 1.62500v (1.57v in PC Probe II)
Memory Voltage: 2.1v (2.14 in PC Probe II)
1.2v HT Voltage: 1.60 (1.65v in PC Probe II)
NB Core Voltage: 1.40 (1.42v in PC Probe II)
SB Core Voltage: 1.50 (1.52v in PC Probe II)
CPU VTT Voltage: 1.55 (1.62v in PC Probe II)

I noticed that having 1.2VHT at at least 1.5 helped a lot. Also, VTT wouldnt help at 1.50, either 1.55 or nothing.
NB Core, yes, I can boot at 1.42v which is good, less heat. I knew 1.52 was too much. Memory is back to 2.1 because is now at default speeds.

Gonna Try Orthos

[slim142]

Picture of what I have, here you can see everything you need to

[slim142]

bump

[Kobalt]

First, what are your specs? Please add them to your signature so it's easier to help you.

Second, I'm confused about what you're actually trying to achieve here. Are you going for high CPU clocks or are you trying to get a higher FSB?

Also, your PSU may not be powerful enough depending upon what your graphics card setup is. When you get a multimeter, you may want to measure the 12v line vdroop that feeds directly to the vcore circuit aka the 4 pin standalone connector. I can give you more details for this when you get your DMM.

[SkylinGTR26]

looks like the PSU is the culprit. IMO those PSUs arent very good and thats what is probably causing all that Vdroop you are getting. When you buy a PSU get one thats non-modular. Remember every extra molex on the line is going to effect the vdroop in some way, so be careful w/ that. If you search PSUs on the forums im sure you can find a list of good ones.

[sdumper]

yep i suck too but im sure someone here can get you over the hump...

[nugzo]

Picture of what I have, here you can see everything you need to

I see 55 and 56 for temps in this ss. I see no cpu load. i thought u said you were getting those temps at full load.?.? I didnt think your figures were correct.

Like solarfall i get 68-70 with 1.55 vcore with goood water cooling. I've had 6600's, 3060, 3070, 2 6800's all about the same temps with that voltage under load. I really cant see any zalman keeping any c2d w/ 1.63vcore at 51 under load. I'm calling you out on that one. Get us a screen shot with orthos running small fft. you also said you were running blend test. I always start with small fft for cpu overclock to make sure the cpu is stable. Then i'll up mem and use blend. Right now your stressing both with blend. Could be your memory failing blend and not the cpu.

[Envydia007]

1.5v on e6600 24/7 is pretty high and anyways its not because orthos fail in 2minutes that its not stable. you can fail orthos and still have a stable system, unless you always do 50things at the same time : ripping,gaming,burning,downloading...

Really? So whats the point of Orthos then?
How about 5 seconds of orthos and it fails?

[ineedaname]

U kinda missed the part where he has super pi running.

SuperPi never really gets the proc 100&#37; heated up tho.

Try a small fft test to see what happens and what temps you get. The problem is you can't really tell what your REAL load temps are until orthos has been running for like 10 min at least.

Btw 2 small things i noticed.

Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
This should be disabled.

SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, Mhz: Auto
Set this to 200.

My idle temps are at 34 and my load temps go up to 60C so i doubt your temps will only hit 56 or so.

Oh yea one thing I noticed is that you have a L28A which might be the difference. Most ppl with nice overclocks all have B.

[adamsleath]

I see 55 and 56 for temps in this ss. I see no cpu load. i thought u said you were getting those temps at full load.?.? I didnt think your figures were correct.

Like solarfall i get 68-70 with 1.55 vcore with goood water cooling. I've had 6600's, 3060, 3070, 2 6800's all about the same temps with that voltage under load. I really cant see any zalman keeping any c2d w/ 1.63vcore at 51 under load. I'm calling you out on that one. Get us a screen shot with orthos running small fft. you also said you were running blend test. I always start with small fft for cpu overclock to make sure the cpu is stable. Then i'll up mem and use blend. Right now your stressing both with blend. Could be your memory failing blend and not the cpu.

maybe his ambient is less than 20c?? i agree lower mem and see if it is mem fail vs cpu fail

[dinos22]

Wait? You mean not everyone does that? LoL

guess thats why the main thing I check out when I build a PC is it must be an awesome multi-tasking!

maybe he's one of those guys that let's the computer complete every task on its own hehehe before loading another one

[adamsleath]

also; why so high with cpu vtt and 1.2ht???

personally i think you are expecting a bit too much from your particular cpu.....

a lot of good overclocking chippies reach higher clocks at lesser voltage (and no i dont have one)....but that's not helping you.

if you are as cool as you say you are keep upping the cpu volts and see what happens

as far as i am concerned i am convinced that excessive heat in any component will pretty much limit your oc.

y dont you just settle for a tad under 3.6 and be happy (like me)
or else get some better cooling and run higher volts.


...but i am fully open to any suggestions; this is my first intel since my old pentium2 and i never heard of oc back then

[Solarfall]

mayby different bios whould do the trick but honestly 3.6ghz is great oc. from what i have heard not that meny people are not able to get past 3.6ghz, usually due to limiting mobo. are you sure that you need that much vcore (1.49v) ?