Deneb just around the corner?

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I suspect hitting 4 gig will be notably less common than it is for Penryn Quads.


That is quite a perverse interpretation you got going for yourself there.

Bulldozer will be a new architecture, not Deneb.

Ok both statements listed above are complete bull. Easier to hit 4 on penryn than it will be on Deneb? You gotta be kidding me; clearly you dont own a Q9300/Q9400 on any kind of SLI or Xfire board Show me ONE person on these forums who has 533mhz FSB+ and runs any kind of multi GPU setup without using an ES (you wont find anyone).

Again its been said multiple times from several sources that Deneb will be close to or match penryn which @ 4ghz (or even close) will make it quite competitive with i7 in most games. Deneb will lag in multi-threaded setups however their power consumption will be significantly lower which will still make them competitive in the server markets.

The key thing you fail to grasp is how cache dependant AMD cpus are and always have been. Do you remember the days of 128kb Semprons whooping 6mb P4EE's? No. So what do you think its going to happen when they give current Agena's who are about 25% down from i7 50% more cache and up the extensions by 33% and reduce the latency on the L2 and L3 caches by the same amount?

Ive constantly swapped between intel and amd depending on which is the better of the 2 processors and in this occasion Deneb will end up on top for a whole host of reasons:

Primarly the main reason why I moved back to AMD was because of Intel's move to integrate the IMC to the CPU. That was also the same reason I left AMD 3 years ago. Why? When they moved the MC to the cpu die they sacrificed reliability to save die space and as a result there was significant corrpution and instability with a whole host of A64s. It happened when clawhammer was first launched and happened again with Winchester.

Just like now the initial samples did not show any issues UNTIL it went retail. I gaurn-damn-tee you the intel forum is going to be filled with people having stability issues with RAM. Infact its already started with people not being able to change their memory dividers on certian boards. If its bad now on bloomfield, lynnfield will be even worse why do you think it was delayed because they had to re-wire the CPU socket?

Just like we saw with Penryn we will be limited by the multiplier (since it will be locked on retail chips in addition to the ram multi) I seriously doubt we will see *ANY* i920 or i930 over the 3.5 mark for anything other than benchmarks because there isnt a single board that is able to get over 200 QPI with any sort of reliability. And dont bother citing the one 920 on the forums now because the load temp he is getting is 80c*+ on suicide runs, it by no means is stable nor is it even retail chip to begin with.

AMD's platform for better or worse is far more mature than intel's so even if its 5 or 10% slower than i7 Ill take that anyday if it means it wont crash all the time and I dont have to spend my money on very expensive DDR3 which will be a requirement to even get i7 close to the 3.5 mark